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Trots out the “Yuli shouldn’t have even been in the game” canard. The twitterverse wanted a one game suspension that would have been served on Saturday. He would have been on the field last night anyway.
1 time through the lineup and then seeThen, every body.
Could not agree more. I quit 10+ years ago and every time I go back it pisses me off.
Valbuena makes reaching the upper deck look real damn easy.
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I still miss Yvette.
Tal's Hill may live on, according to Brian McTaggart."Team officials said that with the Astros’ advance into the American League wild card and Division Series, they determined during discussions with contractors that the timeline for completion would be too risky to attempt to make renovations for next season.
You know what I love about fighting with you? All I have to do is answer and you go all squiggly! Grandma? Is that the best you got? You . . . Granddaddy! You Great Aunt! How's the beagle?
[/quote yes deflecting.... you got nothing. Shortstops, as a class, don't have a cause of action against MLB for out of the base path slides. It's absurd.
That's why you're a librarian.the sad thing is you think that's an insult. You're losing it. Every other instance of aa dispute here you flounce in to the thread deflecting .
And you've forgotten that your a whiny asshole.you're out of your depth and you've always known it. There will be no court case and you cant find a civil case for precedent. The concussion settlement wont fit.
Fuck off Ferret.why grandma, you've forgotten your manners,
He does not go to court. He decides baseball rules on message boards.advertising a class action for overturned shortstops. What's the stat of limitations for spike gashes on shins for 3rd basemen?
That you're a smart lawyer, but you can't be bothered to think about iti noticed. He's advertising a class action for the class of upended shortstops. I think Correra might have a cause of action vs Carter.
I am a lawyer at the office, not at home. I feel sorry for you.
Post this on Neil's thread. He thinks like a lawyer 24/7, doncha know?must come in handy - in court
Its pretty simple for me. I hate the Mets way more than the Dodgers. (it's been a really long time since I hated the Dodgers.) I hate the Cardinals way more than the Cubs. And I hate the Rangers way more than the Blue Jays.
And that poor bastard still has to emerge from his concussed blackout state and come to terms with the fact the Astros gave up 7 runs since his clearest memory.
Don't know about Fiers. Ortiz and Drelixh say he ran to bullpen.reliable sources
It was a beautiful day in Toronto, 68 degrees. They're not a bunch of backwoods hicks, just Canadian.it was 61 degrees for the first game in Houston in 2005
Tried and true method for whining about losing in baseball. Everybody does it and it gets amp'ed in the playoffs.they spent some time highlighting how Keuchel wasnt really throwing strikes during the game.
WFW!
I found that odd, especially when Tanaka had a higher count.
I respectfully disagree. There was some discussion about the Astros but it seemed more of "we have to talk about the other team." I think a little bit of research on the team and they could have done a better job. But, if the Yankees are their team then they should be better the rest of the playoffs since they won't be a homer for anyone else.
Yeah, that seemed a little excessive.Correa and Altuve are Yankees - they make a statue of that play
Not an easy play, but there are plenty of guys who would have made it.4 of them play for the Astros,
Can the chili have chocolate and cinnamon in it and be poured over spaghetti?
That's 6 tweets per hour...one every 10 minutes. That's an enormous amount. That's almost like doing PBP in the GZ.
I don't think I want to know the answer ... but I am assuming there is no way someone like Ass-zilla could resist a platform like Twitter, where he could dispense his vast knowledge quickly and efficiently to the unwashed masses?
Once upon a time, we actually tried to focus on understanding the moves of management, not endlessly bitching about them.
You can kiss his ass if you want to. I'm not.
I don't care one way or another about this person, and I am not aware whether his presence in this forum has "brought anything" to the discussion or not. And it does not matter to me, either way.
If he (or anyone else) makes a fucking trite, retarded, and in fact disingenuous argument that the front office attacks after the Altuve thing were the result of fucking "old school vs. new school" thinking, which is just fucking ridiculous, and insulting; and he is doing it in the course of fucking scolding fans (us) for judging things that appear to be a certain way wrongly, because we just don't know the insider story, and he's not telling, well ... I am on a personally imposed "fuck" quota this month, so I won't use it as a modifying adjective again here.
But you get the idea.
Yesss! Yes, you have.
So when you're in a meeting with your boss and his boss, and they tell you you're going to do something, you're clear in your mind that it means it's totally voluntary?
I am enjoying my godson's little league. The quality is way better.
You saying Matty D has mongoloid features, or habits, or smells?
Why don't they just order the Astro hitter to strike out then? edit
Would that even be necessary?
PR Move 1:
Houston Astros @astros
Pres. Reid Ryan announced that Larry Dierker has been named special assistant to the president. Will serve as advisor, goodwill ambassador.
I think this is a non-story that has been given plenty of fuel by the Twitter community, mainly Mr. Smith and AstrosCounty fanning the fire that JdJO is trying to light. Smith has been teasing that the story is coming soon.
JdJO needs to get slapped down again, real hard.
I'm so glad we've got a tireless crusader for good like JdJO working this case as hard as he can. I can think of no other objective, careful and rational prima donna chickenshit with a multitude of agendas to work this one to death will all the prejudice he can muster.
Eh, oh...
Very solid preview, Noe.
I'm starting to not mind the AL thing so much. Can't watch very many games - actually, I haven't been able to watch any, so far - but it is not as bad as I would have thought it would be. Yet.
You need better targets for your raeg.
I don't feel like it's really fair to judge Luhnow right now. He had nothing to work with when he got here. Little to no tradeable assets and a dearth of major league worthy talent. He has drafted guys that look promising in Correa and Springer, and built depth in the minors.
There was no quick fix for what he inherited. Sorry. Also, no young player should sit this year due to slumps. The only way this team gets better is in the development of young players. Sitting them to win 10 more games this year but miss the playoffs is pointless.
I mean, Justin Maxwell is a middle of the order bat on this team. He's a 4th or 5th outfielder on any contending team.
The point of the article isn't to watch so that you can gloat in 2017. The point is that it is absurd to act like what the Astros are doing is offensive to fans or the game without at least acknowledging their strategy. They are going out on a limb with what they are doing, but they think it's right and are doing it 100%. You should watch because this is a rebuild process unlike any other in baseball history. That, and the team has some exciting pieces. Plus it's baseball which is better than a hamburger (well...most burgers).
Yeah, the Rangers are pretty terrible.
Is that tongue in cheek or does Luhnow & Co really have super-secret defensive metrics?
Pravata, damn it, you need to return full-time. All right-thinking TZers miss the hell out of you.
What's happening here is either the start of something really exciting, or a disaster so bad the commissioner should have stepped in to stop it. Either the Astros are embarrassing the game by trying to lose, or they're finally going through a logical process of building a winner.
I bet some astute librarian-type could pull up the column that Whitey wrote about how unfair it is that big-market, high-revenue teams can afford all the top free agents while the mid and small markets are left to pick up scraps.
"5 years" is "just around the corner?"
5 years ago, I didn't know shit.
Yes, because there is so many of us sophisticated fans.
Dude, that is awesome!
Did Crane really say that? If so, that's pretty tacky and chicken shit.
With full acknowledgement that there isn't a single talented player on the major league roster at this point, and all of them have been rushed to this point, who, exactly is responsible for teaching the players and/or holding them accountable for base running?
You obviously did. They were called the O's Bros.
Blum's Blondes.
#22 - The Little Pumas, Los Caballitos and Hunter's Lodge are all gone.
How many free agents worth having are going to want to sign with a team that has a maximum upside of 50 wins?
To be fair, the trades are the most entertaining thing about this team these days.
Trade at the deadline?
Levine also put up a post yesterday in which Luhnow said that with all the money coming off the books, they'll be active in free agency (no big long-term contracts, but more active than last offseason). I don't know how much that will be contingent on clearing Wandy's salary, but the payroll will be very low in either case.
Son, you need a nickname.
That ought to be fun to watch.
Because the original offer was for a NL team. Baseball can't make a team move, but they can bribe them.
Crane used the moving to the AL stipulation to his offer, which wasn't part of the original offer he made to Drayton, to get 70 million bucks out of the owners.
You're trying to find accountability in a sea of lies. It isn't going to happen.
Aren't you enjoying your gruel? There's more, you know.
"It was made very clear to us anyone who owned the team would be moving to the AL."
Anyone except Drayton FuCklane, he did not add.
"Pam Gardner's going to stay with us. It was fun being with her last night."
He should be appropriately named McCrane, until he proves otherwise.
Historical revisionism already at work: That quote no longer appears in the first linked story. Instead, it now reads as follows:
"When McLane and Crane came to agreement in May, the sale price was announced at $680 million. But when Crane was told the sale was contingent on the Astros changing leagues, he was granted a $70 million credit. That discount reportedly is being split evenly by MLB and McLane, who says Crane is more than ready to take over the team. "
It was Ron Brand (I think) who nailed this. There were rumours (not from Footer) that the Astros were pressing ahead with the league switch partly because there was little or no backlash from fans. But, as Ron(?) broke it down it, it was happening because there was no backlash against the thing that the league, the team and the local media all denied was happening!
If there's nothing else that should make one not want to put any more dollars in the pockets of Crane, McLane, MLB or the local media...it's this. They conspired to fuck us over and then argue that it's our fault.
Fuck 'em all.
Who is this woman and why do you all know her?
Oswalt and Lee for Strasburg.
Didn't they release him in the off-season?
Oh well you must not want to win very badly. Everybody knows that Drayton and Ed are holding this team back with their penny pinching. Every other team in MLB would gladly pay above market price for home grown talent like Eny. They have done irreparable harm to the image of this organization within baseball.
Also, tap the gauge on your sarc-o-meter, needle may be stuck. I was playing with a Ouija board ealier and may or may not be channeling a certain spleenless ghost.
Yes. Gift tax remains in place.
Not a legislative screw up so much as legislative trickery. The Repoblican Senate in 2005 voted to sunset the estate tax, scaling it down until it disappeared in 2010. However, they did not have the supermajority necessary to make this a permanent fix, so they had the tax "reinstate" in 2011, figuring that either (a) they would still be in power and vote to extend the repeal, or (b) "reinstatement" of a tax would be such bad politics that the Dems wouldn't touch it.
Regardless, there's something truly macabre about a law written such that people are seeking euthenasia to save on estate taxes.
Yes, well, that is the obvious conclusion. Even the Forbes article estimating Astros value at 525mil implies that McLane is fishing for bidders. I dismissed it until it occurred to me that maybe McLane has grown tired of the bile directed his way over his ownership tenure.
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I just don't think it's that big of a deal. It's standard to keep the negotiations between two parties. It takes very little effort to create an exclusive negotiating window; there's really no reason not to.
I assumed the exclusive time frame was usual for this sort of thing -- like accepting an offer to buy your house, given that A, B and C are all done in a certain amount of time.
I also assumed that someone (Channel 13?) dug up the story, and McLane decided to admit to it this time rather than pretend it wasn't happening.
Of course, we all know what assuming does...
Ah, thanks for cleaning up my mess. I won't try to play drug-addled reporter again.
Wait - Harris County bought the Dome from Drayton? I thought the county always owned the Dome and just leased it to the Astros for something stupid like $1 a year.
was the new guy good on the Dynamo beat? Not like he can be any worse than Ortiz, just wanted to know from any soccer fans out there. If he was good one place chances are he will be good another. Also, will be intrigued to see how Ortiz takes his demotion. This is a pretty big demotion, right?
You need to get out more. The World is full of very stupid people. Just because Idiocracy was a terrible movie, doesn't make it wrong.
Didn't McLane characterize this group as people who raise money as a profession? That seems to contradict what I've always taken as a prerequisite for ownership, that being that an owner should expect to own the team for a longer period of time than I might expect an investment consortium to do.
I think he's getting out because he has found Houston to be full of spoiled ingrates.
2nd in NL over his tenure. 5th in MLB. Only WS appearance. Someone should run this A Hole out of town!!!
Was Jeff Kent ever accused of beating his wife?
BTW, the Astros do (or did, at least) have a precedent for handling this type of behavior. When Julio Lugo allegedly slammed his wife's face into the hood of their car after a game (may have been arrested too, cannot remember), the Astros didn't wait for the judicial process to be completed - he was kicked off the team the next day, IIRC. Like the Myers situation, the charges against Lugo were later dropped or he was found innocent, but I don't think anyone here nor in the front office has had any regrets about showing him the door. Granted, he was not playing well at the time and that probably made the decision easier, but he was the team's starting shortstop and it was only April.
They need somebody who can play shortstop besides Manzella.
I prefer Pliny the Elder to Cato the Elder. You can confirm this by checking my preferences at elderspace.com/gizzmonic .
Verducci, not Rosenthal, but your points stand.
Maybe it's the amount of years that soured them? Or maybe someone else just wants to take a shot at Ed Wade by putting words in someone's mouth. Notice he also finds occasion to rip the 2005 Astros in the same article because they didn't come close to winning the NL Central.
It would be more interesting to know the median or geometric mean.
/statistics geek
yeah, I don't really get the signing either but am willing to trust those actually paid to make said decisions, Kaz Matsui be damned.
Tom Verducci weighs in on the Lyon signing:
"Two different GMs were aghast to hear the Astros are paying $15 million over three years to reliever Brandon Lyon. Both of them had to have the numbers repeated to them twice, thinking surely they had misheard what will be one of the worst contracts of the winter."
The budget is 90 million. The've made no secret of this
Couldn't be much.
Wade quote (via JDJO, but seems reasonable) from yesterday:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bb/6759964.html
At the end of the year, Gammons is leaving ESPN for "other opportunities."
MLB Network? That's all I can really think of.
ok.... I broke on my unofficial boycott... and found this
Dude should know, Pravata is dead. Just saying... The King is DEAD...Long live the King!
"intrigued with the whole free agency process" = "look at all that cash they're slingin' around!"
2010 is going to be a tough year, but Drayton could spend $180m and it would be spent wrong according to fucksticks like JdJO. If he doesn't have something promoting his important, touchy-feely self then he has to manufacture controversy from lies and innuendo to make the day's column. I'm surprised the Astros agreed to a live chat with Wade instead of shutting him out altogether.
Why are umpires in the Hall of Fame?
He must read this forum...
http://blogs.chron.com/baseballblog/archives/2009/12/oswalt_sounds_p.html
Full of name-dropping, self-promoting quotes, and even a possible developing cat-fight with a certain communications department blogger.
They made the mistake of reading JdJO.
Or Drayton signing Brett Meyers.
I would have offered it to Hawkins.
Carlos Lee does not mean that much to the Astros organization. Next Void, they will be take twenty cents on the dollar in trade to get him off the payroll. He is a very good hitter, but with WadeSmith committing to pitching, speed, and defense, he doesn't fit in.
I'm calling BS. Note the "go south" was not directly attributed to Wade. And, would he really break that huge news to some NY schmuck?
That said, you'd prefer your GM say you don't want to trade a star player because he means so much to your organization, rather than "he has made it very, very clear that he does not want to go anywhere."
Get ya popcorn ready.
Bingo.
Circulation and page views are all that matter. Facts and accuracy do not.
Even Justice realizes how horrible Jesus Ortiz is:It's obvious that Ortiz simply doesn't like Ed Wade, just like Jon Heyman (whom Ortiz quotes, giggling at how cool Heyman is for naming his worst GM award the "Ed Wade Award") clearly doesn't like Wade. They both love referencing Shawn Chacon's version of events as the sole, undisputed truth. How the Chron can allow Ortiz to pass this drivel off as journalism, is, well, in context not all that surprising, I guess. Carry on.
My guess is "Ed has one more year [on his current contract]."
In the current international climate, I think that strategy is almost guaranteed to back-fire. At a time when most nations are trying to demonstrate their relative independence from the US, a visit from Obama almost requires that the Games not be awarded to Chicago lest the IOC be viewed as US lackeys (or redneck schlong-gorvellers, if you prefer).
It's still a blog quote in a vacuum. Obviously, Footer had to clarify because of all the WTFs. I read Ortiz' post twice and still can't figure out why he mentioned it.
Once again, Footer mops up the journalistic upchuck that is the Chron.
Once again, Footer mops up the journalistic upchuck that is the Chron.
Not to get in the way of a perfectly good rant, but Matsui was the third option at 2nd in that particular off-season.
I'm assuming this is or may be chronic?
The name Joe Crede is not encouraging when discussing successful recovery/returns from back injury.
Where is Footer on all of this? She hasn't had a significant blog entry since last Monday (I think we can ignore the "Here's the Pitch" pitch on Sunday).
Perhaps by instituting a more sane method of bullpen use ...
By not playing the call ups as much as Wade wanted maybe?
By making the move today, we will have the ability to evaluate other facets of our operation as we move into the offseason.
I don't know how much Cooper figured in it or how much communication there is with Roy. The three of them had a meeting and Roy is supposed to see doctors next week. It sounds like Roy was willing to keep trying but Wade said no.
How so? I was just a kid then and know nothing more of Davis than his on-field abillities. What was his attitude/character/approach?
the more i hear and read Roy, the less i like him. i think i am at zero headed toward negative numbers.
Or good ol Bagwellian grousing. Out of season, of course.
The statement from Roy was made in a pregame interview with one of the FSN guys on Saturday. Ortiz had nothing to do with it. The context was in discussing the rest of the season and the teams strength next season with the infusion of youth.
So what you're saying is, and I'm not saying this is you just being you, but that it may actually be the hard facts. The Astros are currently run by a non-baseball grocer who has installed a General Manager who has no grasp of baseball personel management and a Field Manager whose only qualification was proximity and relation?
This doesn't say much for the franchise.
See, it's stuff like this I just don't believe. I'm positive, absolutely positive, that the guys in the front office are all too aware of exactly what's happening here and have to find an answer that balances damage control, contract law, and income statements accounts.
I bet if you asked every one of them off the record, they'd tell you he needed to be let go before the season.
Justice with an almost decent blog re: McLane. LINK
The 'money quotes' relates to Coop though:
The Astros are a mess right now. There's an open insurrection between the players and manager.
Getting choked by one in the cafeteria?
I didn't see it, but on the radio (one of) the Torpor Twins mentioned Blum looked bad on the first two curves then, as Blum swung at the one he hit, said that he'd "golfed" it. He sounded pretty surprised it went out.
According to ESPN radio, Blum and Matsui hit for "unexpected power". Kaz...sure, but I never count Blum out even if his batting stats aren't sparkling.
Yeah, so we just turned the Cards game on too and, um, Matt Holiday who I saw in an A's uniform at dinner (on TV) is playing for the Cards.
They can not only trade, they have beam technology?
I just showed up.
You have 7 words or less. Update me.
I can't tell if this is Synecdoche or Adaptation.
Lady, you couldn't fucking handle it.
What exactly do you "contribute" here?
How long before we read Cooper channeling his inner Pitino: "5 and 7 aren't walking through that door. And if you expect them to walk through that door, they're going to be gray and old."
Or maybe it will be Blum? I forget who manages this team.
That is a mind-boggling dichotomy. As if we needed yet another example of just how far removed Cooper is from the team he is managing and from reality.
I wish someone here had a direct line to Wade and McLane to feed him this stuff in such an easily digestible format.
the fucking winning run
What's with you? Why do you think that people who care about food and drink and won't be content with eating reheated corporate crap and drinking rerefrigerated corporate crap are 'pretentious?' And why do you need to misrepresent what was said in the article you reference? The author asked for information on a certain beer (in a beer bar, a place that prides itself on the craft beers it offers on tap) and the waitress had no idea. Asimov doesn't protest anything. He merely notes the discordance between an establishment built on a certain concept and an employee of that establishment who knows nothing of the concept.
And mendicants are far more likely to sleep under or on top of the Post or the Daily News. I don't know if either offers restaurant reviews, but if so they would surely be more in line with your unpretentious tastes.
Leave this shit where it belongs. On burntorangenation.
cooper wanted to apologize
No shit. Fucking assholes.
I have heard (but not seen the stats to support) that home team in game one of a series is the best bet in baseball. The Astros certainly seem to do their part to support that.
Jason Jennings ass is so big it should have turn signals.
Love the sig, ferret.
When we came up for Thanksgiving to check the place out, we were staying in a hotel (no fridge).
It was in the 30s outside and we had bought beer for the Horns game. It took us all of about 5 seconds to realize we didn't need no fridge, stuck the beer on the ledge, and it was colder than any fridge. Just can't do it much colder than 30 degrees.
Fridge? Where would I put one of those?
2 on no outs again for you Spaz. NO PULL YOUR HEAD OUT THIS TIME!
If so not for long. He's starting to toss in the bullpen...
Why the fuck are the Astros staying in Irving?
What the fuck is Lucas talking about? What exactly do baseball players need to pass the time?
Something is played out because this shit is scheduled during the week for the first time. I think.
Baseball insider: Astros will add, not subtract
***"Mr. McLane will be more prone to adding to his team rather than trading his present players away." The executive added, "I read your blog and whoever told you Houston will continue moving Oswalt just wasn't correct."
I am looking at it from across the park. C'mon over.
Dude, those are are called freckles
Oh obviously. The 1:45 wait on the Holland Tunnel was not what I'd call fun, but it added to the experience.
The air here smells like meat-on-a-stick and a man sells Belgian ales 2 doors down from me. It's 68 degrees outside right now and not a cloud in the sky. Jazz on the radio and the most perfect day of the year to move to this place.
Get back to me in January. We can plan my homecoming party.
When I say none of our road trip plans came to fruition, I mean that.
We were supposed to stop for a last Texas meal in Orange...didn't happen. Thank to late movers.
We were supposed to get into Baton Rouge for dinner...didn't happen. Same reason.
We were supposed to stay in BR for the morning and leave to hit Slidell for lunch then on to Birmingham. There was no internet connection in our hotel in BR, so we figured FINE, we'll get up early, drive to Bham and I can work the afternoon from there instead of the morning from BR. We drove thru Slidell at about 8:15a.
We were supposed to work from Bham that afternoon. No internet there either. Sheraton fucking sucks.
We were supposed to stop in Roanoke the next night. Got out so early we hit Roanoke at 4pm and figured, well, I think I'd rather drive than spend 2 more hours in Roanoke. Drove to Harrisonburg.
We were supposed to sleep in Newark tonight. Got to Newark at 2pm, figured what the fuck, let's see if they'll give us the keys a day early. They did. So, we're sitting in our new living room while paying for a hotel in Newark that hasn't been checked in to yet.
Yes sir, well planned, well executed. Standard Alkie family road trip.
Whaaa? I was being serious. Am I being accused of something here? Is *all* this about me? Really?
Fwiw, if there was breaking news on the Astros front, I always made it a point to check the front page first. NYCU was one of my favorite features of this exceptional site. If anyone ever used it as a jumping off point to belittle you, well they can just fuck right off.
Thanks for undermining those of us who put effort in the front page. Appreciate it.
Wade fucked up with Chacon last year. I tried to tell you people that but you F-350 driving, law-and-order types wouldn't hear it. Now look where we are.
Quick question for those of you Loosiann residents in here....so like, what IS that smell? For real.