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What's a half-century of tradition worth?
« on: November 15, 2011, 10:06:21 pm »
Seventy million pieces of silver, apparently.

Every single cent of that had better be plowed back into the club.

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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2011, 10:07:15 pm »
AL baseball is going to be very difficult to get used to. You know that feeling you had when Bud Adams moved the Oilers out of town... for some reason, I got the same feeling all over again.  *sigh*

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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2011, 10:09:03 pm »
AL baseball is going to be very difficult to get used to.  *sigh*

It's like having your brother get a sex change (with apologies to anyone here whose brother has had a sex change).

I would find it very hard not to kick Bud Selig's ass if I passed him on the street.

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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2011, 10:34:10 pm »
AL baseball is going to be very difficult to get used to. You know that feeling you had when Bud Adams moved the Oilers out of town... for some reason, I got the same feeling all over again.  *sigh*
That's exactly what it feels like. I've lived in California since '88 and the Astros are one of my strongest ties back to my hometown and this feels like that bond is being broken.

I lost a security deposit on an apartment that sustained damage during my rage at the Oilers' unimaginable cratering to the Bills in that horrific playoff game. I cared a lot about the Oilers and the NFL. Once they left Houston, I couldn't care less about the Titans, Texans or the NFL.

I have more family history wound up in the Astros than I ever had with the Oilers, and they've always meant more to me than any other sports team at any level. Them changing leagues, especially under such unseemly circumstances feels the same to me as if  they had left town.
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2011, 10:40:07 pm »
Good luck to all of y'all who can find a way to find a connection to this ALstros team. They're just a dead entity to me now.

Just imagine, if 5 years down the road, they managed to do a rebuilding for the ages and turn around the franchise and vault it into the World Series.

And after all the pain and heartache us Astro fans of multi-decade allegiance endured, we'd go to the World Series against... the Braves! Or the Reds! .... it just would NOT feel like a World Series anymore.

It's like someone re-arranged all the constellations in the sky. Adrift and without a point of reference.

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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2011, 11:00:46 pm »
It's like having your brother get a sex change (with apologies to anyone here whose brother has had a sex change).

I would find it very hard not to kick Bud Selig's ass if I passed him on the street.

I wouldn't and if I ended up in the slammer, I could only hope that my cellmate is an Astros fan.

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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2011, 11:08:54 pm »
I wouldn't and if I ended up in the slammer, I could only hope that my cellmate is an Astros fan.

I'm sure a collection taken here would more than make your bail.

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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2011, 06:34:06 am »
AL baseball is going to be very difficult to get used to. You know that feeling you had when Bud Adams moved the Oilers out of town... for some reason, I got the same feeling all over again.  *sigh*

The Texans at least play teams I was used to seeing the Oilers play. Now we will see Anahiem, Seattle, Oakland and the Rangers? With a mixing of the White Sox, Minnesota, Tampa, etc? I know who those teams are, but I've never followed them, known who their good folks are, or anything. Fuck those guys and Fuck You Bud.


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Re: What's a half-century of tradition worth?
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2011, 08:41:11 am »
The Texans at least play teams I was used to seeing the Oilers play. Now we will see Anahiem, Seattle, Oakland and the Rangers? With a mixing of the White Sox, Minnesota, Tampa, etc? I know who those teams are, but I've never followed them, known who their good folks are, or anything. Fuck those guys and Fuck You Bud.



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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2011, 09:14:52 am »
The Texans at least play teams I was used to seeing the Oilers play. Now we will see Anahiem, Seattle, Oakland and the Rangers? With a mixing of the White Sox, Minnesota, Tampa, etc? I know who those teams are, but I've never followed them, known who their good folks are, or anything. Fuck those guys and Fuck You Bud.



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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2011, 09:16:28 am »
Damn right.  I don't have enough hate for any of those teams.

I bet we'll learn.

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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2011, 09:18:05 am »
I bet we'll learn.

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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2011, 09:26:12 am »
The Rangers are easy to hate.  The White Sox are easy to hate for 2005.  The Angels could land Pujols, which would make them easy to hate.  Red Sox/Yankees obviously are going to be hated. 

So we'll start out with those 5 and I guess the A's and Mariners will quickly become annoying getting us to 7.

It could be like this:

Rangers = Cardinals
White Sox = Cubs
Angels = Reds
Red Sox = Braves
Yankees = Mets
A's = Pirates
Mariners = Dodgers

Yeah this sucks.

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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2011, 09:43:29 am »
I find it much easier to hate Bud Selig, Drayton McLane, and Jim Crane.
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« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2011, 09:59:35 am »
I find it much easier to hate Bud Selig, Drayton McLane, Nolan Ryan and Jim Crane.

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« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2011, 10:00:38 am »
I find it much easier to hate Bud Selig, Drayton McLane, and Jim Crane.

and the DH

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« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2011, 10:07:08 am »
and the DH

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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2011, 10:07:19 am »
and the DH

Don't stop until you include the owners consumed by eternal greed.

Wait a minute. I see a microcosm in there somewhere.
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« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2011, 10:17:42 am »
I find it much easier to hate Bud Selig, Drayton McLane, and Jim Crane.

I'm going to back off Crane a little, because Mark Berman's report made it clear that Selig was going to require ANY owner to approve the AL move to get approved.
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« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2011, 10:26:41 am »
its not the players fault. so many people i am not a fan any more geeze. dont they know the astros now get to combat the oakland as
talk about exciting rivaliary who needs the coards or the stl...
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« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2011, 10:35:44 am »
its not the players fault. so many people i am not a fan any more geeze. dont they know the astros now get to combat the oakland as
talk about exciting rivaliary who needs the coards or the stl...

Well, it partially is the players' fault, they want the DH and the balanced schedule.
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« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2011, 10:40:15 am »
I'm going to back off Crane a little, because Mark Berman's report made it clear that Selig was going to require ANY owner to approve the AL move to get approved.

I'm not.  For many reasons.  One is that I don't trust any reporting on this subject.  This could just be more MLB spin trying to deflect fan ire from Crane.  Two, we will never know if it was a bluff or not.  Crane folded.  Once he did, it is easy for MLB to say "sure, we were serious."

The only truth to the matter is that the MLB rules require an owner to consent to the move.  Crane has apparently consented.  Fuck him too. 

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« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2011, 11:00:12 am »
I bet we'll learn.

Fucking Oakland.

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« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2011, 11:15:43 am »
And almost all road games will be starting at 9:30pm 10:30pm.

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« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2011, 11:18:30 am »
Honestly, it doesn't feel like the same team, at all. It's still Houston and it's still called the "Astros," but ...

Damn- losing a friend of 40 years. Shit.

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« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2011, 11:20:59 am »
should have some kind of comenterative event next year at the ballpark..keep your ideas clean tho dont want to get kicked out
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« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2011, 11:23:19 am »
should have some kind of comenterative event next year at the ballpark..keep your ideas clean tho dont want to get kicked out

We could have Budgirl bring her friend...
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keep your ideas clean tho dont want to get kicked out

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« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2011, 12:04:17 pm »
The Rangers are easy to hate.  The White Sox are easy to hate for 2005.  The Angels could land Pujols, which would make them easy to hate.  Red Sox/Yankees obviously are going to be hated. 

So we'll start out with those 5 and I guess the A's and Mariners will quickly become annoying getting us to 7.

It could be like this:

Rangers = Cardinals
White Sox = Cubs
Angels = Reds
Red Sox = Braves
Yankees = Mets
A's = Pirates
Mariners = Dodgers

Yeah this sucks.



I'll give this a shot:
Rangers = Cardinals (at least this is what they want us to feel)
Red Sox = Cubs (Fans everywhere, curses, find ways of blaming the wrong thing)
Mariners = Reds (divisional opponent I have no great hatred for)
Royals = Pirates (no budget, no chance)
Angels = Brewers (I think I can learn to hate the Angels)

Yankees = Mets (Yankees seem like a team that can take on hate of multiple teams)
Tigers = Phillies (The Tigers used to be the team to make a trade with, Philly took that over, might as well go back to them)
Rays = Braves (pitching)
Orioles = Nats
Blue Jays = Marlins

Yankees = Dodgers (Yankees seem like a team that can take on hate of multiple teams)
White Sox = Padres (teams that have cost the Astros in the post season)
A's = Giants
Indians = Diamondbacks
Twins = Rockies











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« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2011, 01:24:26 pm »
I'm going to back off Crane a little, because Mark Berman's report made it clear that Selig was going to require ANY owner to approve the AL move to get approved.

Yep, if Crane had not let Bud put it in his mouth accepted the move, Bud would have ditched him and looked for an owner with prettier lips who was willing to cooperate.
If that took too long, he would have bribed Drayton to swallow allow the move on his watch.
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« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2011, 01:37:52 pm »
Are owners for MLB teams lining the streets?
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« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2011, 01:46:51 pm »
Yep, if Crane had not let Bud put it in his mouth accepted the move, Bud would have ditched him and looked for an owner with prettier lips who was willing to cooperate.
If that took too long, he would have bribed Drayton to swallow allow the move on his watch.
You know the crazy thing? Drayton chipped in $35mil of his own money towards Crane's $70mil discount to facilitate this travesty. Drayton ends his tenure as Astros owner, fittingly, looking like the ultimate Selig's Bitch. Pathetic.
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« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2011, 01:47:29 pm »
Are owners for MLB teams lining the streets?

If you go to... certain parts of town... they are. At least the kind Selig likes.
You can also check out the cheaper motels...
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« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2011, 01:48:25 pm »
You know the crazy thing? Drayton chipped in $35mil of his own money towards Crane's $70mil discount to facilitate this travesty. Drayton ends his tenure as Astros owner, fittingly, looking like the ultimate Selig's Bitch. Pathetic.

Drayton will be getting $645m instead of $680m.  This is still about $145m more than they were likely to get from anyone else.

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« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2011, 01:50:29 pm »
I did not want Cuban to purchase the team, but I wonder if he would have approved the move to the AL?
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« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2011, 01:52:16 pm »
You know the crazy thing? Drayton chipped in $35mil of his own money towards Crane's $70mil discount to facilitate this travesty. Drayton ends his tenure as Astros owner, fittingly, looking like the ultimate Selig's Bitch. Pathetic.

100% agree.  Drayton wants out NOW, regardless of consequence.  And Crane wants in NOW, regardless of consequence.
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« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2011, 01:53:06 pm »
I'm not sure the franchise can survive this.

It may be mostly the hardcore fan base that is angry about this move, but those hardcore fans are almost all of the AIS at the games these days. The novelty of AL "baseball" might bring in bandwaggoners for a few months in 2013 but the team is unlikely to be good by then and changing leagues will not make them better. After four or five consecutive bad years ownership could start looking for a city that "really wants" a team.
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« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2011, 02:02:37 pm »
I'm not sure the franchise can survive this.

It may be mostly the hardcore fan base that is angry about this move, but those hardcore fans are almost all of the AIS at the games these days. The novelty of AL "baseball" might bring in bandwaggoners for a few months in 2013 but the team is unlikely to be good by then and changing leagues will not make them better. After four or five consecutive bad years ownership could start looking for a city that "really wants" a team.

The franchise will survive if it wins.  That's all that matters to most. 

You raise an interesting question though.  Baseball is my favorite sport and always will be.  But, honestly, I'd rather have Texans season tickets at this point if forced to choose between the two.  Don't get me wrong, I'll still go to Astros games and support them team.  But, right now, I don't feel like spending money to watch the worst team in baseball play a bunch of teams I don't give a fuck about while eating away at a huge part of my free time.  Maybe that will change watching them on TV, seeing the younger guys progress, and become more familiar with the AL west.  Certainly, it will take time. 


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« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2011, 02:15:05 pm »
You know the crazy thing? Drayton chipped in $35mil of his own money towards Crane's $70mil discount to facilitate this travesty. Drayton ends his tenure as Astros owner, fittingly, looking like the ultimate Selig's Bitch. Pathetic.

I thought in the Berman article it said that the reports going around were innacurate.  Specifically, the reduction was less than the 70 Mil and all made by Drayton.  In other words, MLB was not footing any of the reduction.  This just makes Drayton out to be more of punk, pushed around by his Master FYB.

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« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2011, 03:18:06 pm »
I'm going to back off Crane a little, because Mark Berman's report made it clear that Selig was going to require ANY owner to approve the AL move to get approved.

So after McLane carried Selig's water all these years, from not signing draft picks, which decimated the farm system, to hiring Cecil Cooper, which was a disaster, the way Selig repays McLane is to impose this on his sale? As it is, McLane is coming out of pocket for $35 million of the $70 million Crane will get. There is nobody on earth I loath more than Selig. What a lump of shit.

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« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2011, 03:21:59 pm »
Drayton will be getting $645m instead of $680m.  This is still about $145m more than they were likely to get from anyone else.

But $35 million less than he would have gotten had Selig not imposed this condition. I'm sure Drayton is crying all the way to the bank, so I'm not defending him, but it sounds to me like Selig is as disloyal as he is stupid about the game he is supposed to be the commissioner of.

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« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2011, 03:23:07 pm »
I did not want Cuban to purchase the team, but I wonder if he would have approved the move to the AL?

I thought of this today. At least Cuban would have raised hell about it. It would have been worth risking Cuban owning the team to see him call out Selig for what he is: human excrement.

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« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2011, 03:25:06 pm »
So if the Astros make the World Series in 2012, who manages the All-Star game in 2013?

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« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2011, 03:25:51 pm »
On the bright side, we have the excitement of the Rangers-Astros rivalry to look forward to. It should be at least as enthralling as that heated Rockets-Mavericks rivalry that gets both cities so pumped.

Memo to dickhead Selig: rivalries aren't about geography. Theyre's about tradition, which is what you just took a big dump on.

I guess Nolan got Crane back for driving up the price of the Rangers.

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« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2011, 03:28:08 pm »
So if the Astros make the World Series in 2012, who manages the All-Star game in 2013?

Funny thing is that Selig says he wants to make the All-Star game count, so he pins World Series home field on it. I always enjoyed the All-Star game because I was a fan of the National League and wanted it to win. Now Selig is suggesting I should ignore the last 30 years and root for the American League instead.

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« Reply #45 on: November 16, 2011, 03:29:09 pm »
So if the Astros make the World Series in 2012, who manages the All-Star game in 2013?

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« Reply #46 on: November 16, 2011, 03:29:34 pm »
I guess Nolan got Crane back for driving up the price of the Rangers.

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« Reply #47 on: November 16, 2011, 03:29:36 pm »
So if the Astros make the World Series in 2012, who manages the All-Star game in 2013?

Who gives a shit, the Astros won the World Series.
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« Reply #48 on: November 16, 2011, 03:31:59 pm »
So after McLane carried Selig's water all these years, from not signing draft picks, which decimated the farm system, to hiring Cecil Cooper, which was a disaster, the way Selig repays McLane is to impose this on his sale? As it is, McLane is coming out of pocket for $35 million of the $70 million Crane will get. There is nobody on earth I loath more than Selig. What a lump of shit.

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« Reply #49 on: November 16, 2011, 03:33:53 pm »
So after McLane carried Selig's water all these years, from not signing draft picks, which decimated the farm system, to hiring Cecil Cooper, which was a disaster, the way Selig repays McLane is to impose this on his sale? As it is, McLane is coming out of pocket for $35 million of the $70 million Crane will get. There is nobody on earth I loath more than Selig. What a lump of shit.

McLane isn't "coming out of pocket" for Selig.  His options are as follows:
1) Reduce the purchase price to accommodate Crane and account for an assumed valuation adjustment for a team moving to the AL.  Net hundreds of millions of dollars to his coffers.  Crane is essentially being steamrolled by the other owners, who are withholding sale approval without a move.  Crane, realizing he's got no other option, is essentially asking for the purchase price adjustment as a form of lube.  
2) Not sell the team, not collect hundreds of millions of dollars, keep the team in the NL.

Drayton wants out, Crane wants in, Selig and the other owners are manipulating the situation to get what the league wants.  There is no other option.  If McLane wants to sell and Crane wants to buy, these are the terms.  Of the Crane, McLane, MLB triumvirate, no one is getting fucked--this is how a business transaction plays out.  

The only group getting fucked is the loyal fans in Houston that care and have supported this team as an NL franchise for decades.

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« Reply #50 on: November 16, 2011, 03:37:43 pm »
You know the crazy thing? Drayton chipped in $35mil of his own money towards Crane's $70mil discount to facilitate this travesty. Drayton ends his tenure as Astros owner, fittingly, looking like the ultimate Selig's Bitch. Pathetic.

I don't know, Crane is starting off with a bang.  He might prove to be an even better bitch for FYB.
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« Reply #51 on: November 16, 2011, 03:39:18 pm »
I thought of this today. At least Cuban would have raised hell about it. It would have been worth risking Cuban owning the team to see him call out Selig for what he is: human excrement.

It is hard to lay total blame on Crane as he might have tried to raise hell, but the local rag was having too busy calling him a racist war profiteer.  However, I wonder if Crane tried to raise hell at all.  

It's possible that Crane didn't care one way or another about the move.  It is hard for me to imagine that he is this stupid, but maybe he thought no one would actually give a shit, he'd get the Yankee Bosox bump and reduce the price a bit.  He may still think he played his hand perfectly.  

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« Reply #52 on: November 16, 2011, 03:47:30 pm »
It is hard to lay total blame on Crane as he might have tried to raise hell, but the local rag was having too busy calling him a racist war profiteer.  However, I wonder if Crane tried to raise hell at all.  

It's possible that Crane didn't care one way or another about the move.  It is hard for me to imagine that he is this stupid, but maybe he thought no one would actually give a shit, he'd get the Yankee Bosox bump and reduce the price a bit.  He may still think he played his hand perfectly.  

Who knows, maybe Crane's only concern is more 9:30 starts? I could care less about that. Indeed, I'd far rather the Astros move to the NL West and the Diamondbacks move to the AL West than this.

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« Reply #53 on: November 16, 2011, 03:51:53 pm »
McLane isn't "coming out of pocket" for Selig.  His options are as follows:
1) Reduce the purchase price to accommodate Crane and account for an assumed valuation adjustment for a team moving to the AL.  Net hundreds of millions of dollars to his coffers.  Crane is essentially being steamrolled by the other owners, who are withholding sale approval without a move.  Crane, realizing he's got no other option, is essentially asking for the purchase price adjustment as a form of lube.  
2) Not sell the team, not collect hundreds of millions of dollars, keep the team in the NL.

Drayton wants out, Crane wants in, Selig and the other owners are manipulating the situation to get what the league wants.  There is no other option.  If McLane wants to sell and Crane wants to buy, these are the terms.  Of the Crane, McLane, MLB triumvirate, no one is getting fucked--this is how a business transaction plays out.  

The only group getting fucked is the loyal fans in Houston that care and have supported this team as an NL franchise for decades.


Selig and the other owners are shitbags. If they think realignment is such a great idea, then somebody should have volunteered. The consent required for a team to change leagues was obtained here by coercion. That has never happened in the 110 years the two leagues have been in existence. Cuban might have dragged this into court and made a big mess of it, which would have left the team in limbo for a few years, which I would prefer to joining the American League.


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« Reply #54 on: November 16, 2011, 03:55:02 pm »
Selig and the other owners are shitbags. If they think realignment is such a great idea, then somebody should have volunteered. The consent required for a team to change leagues was obtained here by coercion. That has never happened in the 110 years the two leagues have been in existence. Cuban might have dragged this into court and made a big mess of it, which would have left the team in limbo for a few years, which I would prefer to joining the American League.



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« Reply #55 on: November 16, 2011, 04:01:13 pm »
I was trying to make my peace with this.  You're trying to get me all riled up again.

Hell, he's almost making me want Cuban for an owner.  What does that tell you?
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« Reply #56 on: November 16, 2011, 04:01:58 pm »
Hell, he's almost making me want Cuban for an owner.  What does that tell you?

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« Reply #57 on: November 16, 2011, 04:11:01 pm »
Hell, he's almost making me want Cuban for an owner.  What does that tell you?

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« Reply #58 on: November 16, 2011, 04:16:02 pm »
The Stars are on a 3 game losing streak.

you know, ever since the holdout/lockout i haven't watched much if any hockey.  still a good game though.
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« Reply #59 on: November 16, 2011, 04:16:19 pm »
Hell, he's almost making me want Cuban for an owner.  What does that tell you?

Cuban is a dick, but he is not the Lord God King Dick that Selig is. Cuban would have shoved his foot up FYB's ass.

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« Reply #60 on: November 16, 2011, 04:42:15 pm »
Cuban is a dick, but he is not the Lord God King Dick that Selig is. Cuban would have shoved his foot up FYB's ass.

I suspect that Cuban would be like Barkley or Lou from HTTM: he's an asshole, but he's our asshole.

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« Reply #61 on: November 16, 2011, 05:04:48 pm »
Cuban might have dragged this into court and made a big mess of it, which would have left the team in limbo for a few years, which I would prefer to joining the American League.

Legal action, hey there is a thought! How about I file a class action on the basis of "Consent via Coercion." All I need is one SnSer who is pure and beyond reproach to step up and volunteer to be the named plaintiff.  Wait, what? Nevermind...
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« Reply #62 on: November 16, 2011, 05:05:39 pm »
Legal action, hey there is a thought! How about I file a class action on the basis of "Consent via Coercion." All I need is one SnSer who is pure and beyond reproach to step up and volunteer to be the named plaintiff.  Wait, what? Nevermind...

Surely, Remy's kid would qualify.
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« Reply #63 on: November 16, 2011, 05:09:41 pm »
Surely, Remy's kid would qualify.

You're right. Need to add another caveat: "and must have seen the Astros play NL ball during their lifetime..."
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« Reply #64 on: November 16, 2011, 09:27:10 pm »
Seventy million pieces of silver, apparently.

Every single cent of that had better be plowed back into the club.

Could not agree more... it is definitely time to invest in the farm system.

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“We’ll let baseball talk about that,” current owner Drayton McLane said Wednesday night. “There were a lot of adjustments, so we’ll just wait and see what they have to say (Thursday).”

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Hold up a second - there's now an Astros76 to go along with Astrosfan76?  What the hell is it with that year?
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« Reply #68 on: November 17, 2011, 12:19:55 am »

Richard Justice, Nov. 16, 2011:
"Crane wasn’t going to own the Astros unless he agreed to change leagues."

Richard Justice, Sept. 7, 2011:
"Jim Crane may never own the Astros, but it won’t be because he refuses to move to the American League. Could it end up being a factor amid reports he’s being asked to consider it? Sure, it could. But it won’t be a deal breaker."

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« Reply #69 on: November 17, 2011, 08:26:40 am »
What were the circumstances surrounding Selig's putting his daughter in charge of the Brewers, sending them to the NL, and thereby ultimately trading houston for Milwaukee in the NL Central? As a fan of the NL and the Astros dating back to 1968, I am heartbrokken and angry. I've always viewed the NL as the superior league on many levels, and cannot abide watching the AL even on my best days.

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« Reply #70 on: November 17, 2011, 08:59:08 am »
Richard Justice, Nov. 16, 2011:
"Crane wasn’t going to own the Astros unless he agreed to change leagues."

Richard Justice, Sept. 7, 2011:
"Jim Crane may never own the Astros, but it won’t be because he refuses to move to the American League. Could it end up being a factor amid reports he’s being asked to consider it? Sure, it could. But it won’t be a deal breaker."


He is such a sorry piece of crap.  He is right up there with the big three, actually four as Nolan is creeping up there.  I didn't believe that motherfucker Justice then, and I don't now. 

We will never know if MLB was serious because Crane caved. 

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« Reply #71 on: November 17, 2011, 09:01:23 am »
What were the circumstances surrounding Selig's putting his daughter in charge of the Brewers, sending them to the NL, and thereby ultimately trading houston for Milwaukee in the NL Central? As a fan of the NL and the Astros dating back to 1968, I am heartbrokken and angry. I've always viewed the NL as the superior league on many levels, and cannot abide watching the AL even on my best days.

What's going to really suck is when MLB expands to (31/)32 teams one day and a rank newcomer gets to go into the NL. I think Crane should ask for a written guarantee of an option to return to the NL on any expansion.

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« Reply #72 on: November 17, 2011, 09:05:10 am »
What were the circumstances surrounding Selig's putting his daughter in charge of the Brewers, sending them to the NL, and thereby ultimately trading houston for Milwaukee in the NL Central? As a fan of the NL and the Astros dating back to 1968, I am heartbrokken and angry. I've always viewed the NL as the superior league on many levels, and cannot abide watching the AL even on my best days.

What were the circumstances of Bud Selig "selling" his team to the his daughter?  Corruption, conflict-of-interest, people looking the other way because they benefited.  Unfortunately, business as usual in the good ole USA.  And Crane used the league move as a negotiating tactic to bring the price down.  He clearly didn't care about tradition, despite his previous "I'm from St. Louis and I hate the DH" bullshit.

Drayton comes off looking the worst of all, though.  He was willing to part with 35 million just to let himself (and we the fans) get fucked harder.  That's major bitchery.
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« Reply #73 on: November 17, 2011, 09:17:10 am »
What where the circumstances of Bud Selig "selling" his team to the his daughter?  

He never sold the team to her, just "transferred control".  Selig has always acted in the best interest of the Milwaukee Brewers. 
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« Reply #74 on: November 17, 2011, 09:17:58 am »
What where the circumstances of Bud Selig "selling" his team to the his daughter?  Corruption, conflict-of-interest, people looking the other way because they benefited.  Unfortunately, business as usual in the good ole USA.  And Crane used the league move as a negotiating tactic to bring the price down.  He clearly didn't care about tradition, despite his previous "I'm from St. Louis and I hate the DH" bullshit.

Drayton comes off looking the worst of all, though.  He was willing to part with 35 million just to let himself (and we the fans) get fucked harder.  That's major bitchery.

Selig wasn't supposed to own a team as commish, even though he did.  He eventually "sold" it to his daughter (don't know the details either) and subsequently engineered a move to the NL Central where they get a shit-ton of money-spinning games against the neighbouring Cubs.

Yes, Drayton is the worst player here.  Selig is a devious shit-bag, but Drayton did not have the best interest of his team at heart.  He bought a business - about which he knew very little - for +/- $100mm in 1993, threatened to leave town unless we built him a new stadium (which we did and which caused an instant bump in the franchise's value) and sold it in 2011 for +/- $650mm.  It's only ever been a financial transaction for him - he never had an emotional investment in the team.
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« Reply #75 on: November 17, 2011, 09:30:53 am »
He never sold the team to her, just "transferred control".  Selig has always acted in the best interest of the Milwaukee Brewers. 

Furthermore, if the other owners didn't think Selig represented them, they could have hired another commissioner. He is a proxy for their collective decisions.

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« Reply #76 on: November 17, 2011, 09:35:52 am »
Furthermore, if the other owners didn't think Selig represented them, they could have hired another commissioner. He is a proxy for their collective decisions.

Exactly.  The simple fact remains:  Bud Selig's employers LOVE him.  In their collective eyes, he's the greatest commissioner in the history of the game. 
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« Reply #78 on: November 17, 2011, 09:53:34 am »
Yes, Drayton is the worst player here.  Selig is a devious shit-bag, but Drayton did not have the best interest of his team at heart.  He bought a business - about which he knew very little - for +/- $100mm in 1993, threatened to leave town unless we built him a new stadium (which we did and which caused an instant bump in the franchise's value) and sold it in 2011 for +/- $650mm.  It's only ever been a financial transaction for him - he never had an emotional investment in the team.

Are you suggesting his "What have you done to be a champion today?" line was a facade?  Perish the thought.

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I've been waiting for ferret to weigh in. I didn't anticipate this exactly but I guess it's as appropriate as any other response.
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Are you suggesting his "What have you done to be a champion put asses in seats today?" line was a facade?  Perish the thought.

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« Reply #81 on: November 17, 2011, 10:14:16 am »
I've been waiting for ferret to weigh in. I didn't anticipate this exactly but I guess it's as appropriate as any other response.

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"But as an added bonus, Crane got to start his ownership by telling his fan base that they had just turned in their history to make Nolan Ryan happy." LINK
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« Reply #83 on: November 17, 2011, 11:15:12 am »
"But as an added bonus, Crane got to start his ownership by telling his fan base that they had just turned in their history to make Nolan Ryan happy." LINK

I don't know who that guy is, but he sure seems to have a real understanding of the situation.

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« Reply #84 on: November 17, 2011, 11:34:00 am »
I don't know who that guy is, but he sure seems to have a real understanding of the situation.

Dammit.

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« Reply #85 on: November 17, 2011, 11:48:35 am »
Yeah, that's the kind of story we need to see more often. This is a seriously fucked up deal.

Unfortunately, since the Astros suck so bad right now, hardly anyone outside of Houston noticed.  People in Houston that care have been deliberately kept in the dark by a mostly-complicit media.  I notice that now that it's a done deal, the Chronicle is juuuuust now starting to mention it.
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« Reply #86 on: November 17, 2011, 12:03:00 pm »
Yeah, that's the kind of story we need to see more often. This is a seriously fucked up deal.

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« Reply #87 on: November 17, 2011, 12:14:39 pm »
Unfortunately, since the Astros suck so bad right now, hardly anyone outside of Houston noticed.  People in Houston that care have been deliberately kept in the dark by a mostly-complicit media.  I notice that now that it's a done deal, the Chronicle is juuuuust now starting to mention it.

It was Ron Brand (I think) who nailed this.  There were rumours (not from Footer) that the Astros were pressing ahead with the league switch partly because there was little or no backlash from fans.  But, as Ron(?) broke it down it, it was happening because there was no backlash against the thing that the league, the team and the local media all denied was happening!

If there's nothing else that should make one not want to put any more dollars in the pockets of Crane, McLane, MLB or the local media...it's this.  They conspired to fuck us over and then argue that it's our fault.

Fuck 'em all.
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« Reply #88 on: November 17, 2011, 12:16:22 pm »
I look forward to pissing on Bud Selig's grave.
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« Reply #89 on: November 17, 2011, 12:27:35 pm »
It was Ron Brand (I think) who nailed this.  There were rumours (not from Footer) that the Astros were pressing ahead with the league switch partly because there was little or no backlash from fans.  But, as Ron(?) broke it down it, it was happening because there was no backlash against the thing that the league, the team and the local media all denied was happening!

If there's nothing else that should make one not want to put any more dollars in the pockets of Crane, McLane, MLB or the local media...it's this.  They conspired to fuck us over and then argue that it's our fault.

Fuck 'em all.

And here's the details on why that would be bullshit.

From the story on astros.com

"Because McLane accepted the pre-sale stipulation of the Astros move to the AL, he will receive $35 million from MLB. "

http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111117&content_id=25992120&vkey=news_hou&c_id=hou&forwardUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fhouston.astros.mlb.com%2Fnews%2Farticle.jsp%3Fymd%3D20111117%26content_id%3D25992120%26vkey%3Dnews_hou%26c_id%3Dhou&flowId=registration.dynaindex#disqus_thread

“Well,” McLane said, “the commissioner (Bud Selig) did not consult me on this one. He said that when you look at the other teams in the National League Central, they’re kind of grouped here in the Midwest. And so here we go."

http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2011/11/16/emotional-mclane-prepares-to-end-19-year-run-as-astros-owner/


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« Reply #90 on: November 17, 2011, 12:28:53 pm »
I look forward to pissing on Bud Selig's grave.

To hell with that. Dig up his corpse and shit down his throat.

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« Reply #91 on: November 17, 2011, 12:30:41 pm »
Unfortunately, since the Astros suck so bad right now, hardly anyone outside of Houston noticed.  People in Houston that care have been deliberately kept in the dark by a mostly-complicit media.  I notice that now that it's a done deal, the Chronicle is juuuuust now starting to mention it.

People I know in other parts of the country had never heard about it.

Of course the national media didn't cover it, because it wasn't happening to the Yankees or Red Sox or any other team that counts.

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« Reply #92 on: November 17, 2011, 12:39:55 pm »
I was looking at some Angels and A's forums this morning and they have been talking about it for a couple of months and maybe longer. The Angels fans seem to dislike it because it favors the Rangers. The A's fans seem to breathe through their mouths mostly. I couldn't find any useful Mariners boards.

(One of the Angels boards call the poster who posts a duplicate topic 'Craig' similar to our use of 'Cabrera's a Brave'. This amused me.)

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« Reply #93 on: November 17, 2011, 01:01:33 pm »
"Because McLane accepted the pre-sale stipulation of the Astros move to the AL, he will receive $35 million from MLB. "

So he's known about it all along and has lied about it all along. This a perfectly fitting end to a disastrous ownership. It makes me sick that those useless corporate bootlickers at the Chronicle are going to circle jerk misty eyed paeans to a fucking liar.
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« Reply #94 on: November 17, 2011, 01:09:25 pm »
And here's the details on why that would be bullshit.

From the story on astros.com

"Because McLane accepted the pre-sale stipulation of the Astros move to the AL, he will receive $35 million from MLB. "

http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111117&content_id=25992120&vkey=news_hou&c_id=hou&forwardUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fhouston.astros.mlb.com%2Fnews%2Farticle.jsp%3Fymd%3D20111117%26content_id%3D25992120%26vkey%3Dnews_hou%26c_id%3Dhou&flowId=registration.dynaindex#disqus_thread

“Well,” McLane said, “the commissioner (Bud Selig) did not consult me on this one. He said that when you look at the other teams in the National League Central, they’re kind of grouped here in the Midwest. And so here we go."

http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2011/11/16/emotional-mclane-prepares-to-end-19-year-run-as-astros-owner/



Historical revisionism already at work: That quote no longer appears in the first linked story.  Instead, it now reads as follows:

"When McLane and Crane came to agreement in May, the sale price was announced at $680 million. But when Crane was told the sale was contingent on the Astros changing leagues, he was granted a $70 million credit. That discount reportedly is being split evenly by MLB and McLane, who says Crane is more than ready to take over the team. "
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« Reply #95 on: November 17, 2011, 01:20:06 pm »
The MiLB should force the Rangers to change their name to the Dallas Rangers.

Now that the Houston team is in the same division, it's a bit presumptuous and offensive for that squad to claim, by title, the loyalty of the entire state.

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« Reply #96 on: November 17, 2011, 01:21:21 pm »
The MiLB should force the Rangers to change their name to the Dallas Rangers.

Now that the Houston team is in the same division, it's a bit presumptuous and offensive for that squad to claim, by title, the loyalty of the entire state.

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« Reply #97 on: November 17, 2011, 01:26:05 pm »
Who gives a shit, the Astros won the World Series.

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« Reply #98 on: November 17, 2011, 01:26:20 pm »
The MiLB should force the Rangers to change their name to the Dallas Arlington Rangers.

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« Reply #99 on: November 17, 2011, 01:27:49 pm »
The MiLB should force the Rangers to change their name to the Dallas Rangers Arlington Cockstains

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« Reply #100 on: November 17, 2011, 01:30:06 pm »
The form letter email I just received from the Astros, replying to a heartfelt complaint I sent over a month ago:

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Thank you for taking the time to express your thoughts on the potential move of the Astros to the American League.  As this seems to be a mandated move in order for new ownership to be approved, we are looking to the future and we feel the future is bright.  New life will be brought into the club with new ownership and the youth movement.  We want to have a long time winner on the field and we believe that we are setting the team up for success.  I hope that you will be a part of the future this season and beyond.

Total denial of anything being lost or done wrong. Expected nothing less, but here it is.

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« Reply #101 on: November 17, 2011, 01:57:48 pm »
Foreword to "Betrayal: A Designated Hitter is Inserted" a novel by Danielle Steele

As the news sinks in, he's not even angry.  He's expected the news for a while now.  The situation feels more like when you find out that your significant other that you've started to grow old with cheats on you with some greasy MRI machine salesman driving a Toyota Supra with a spoiler and acid washed jeans.  The reality is that you don't know how to live with anyone else.  Nor do you want to start over after all these years.  You'll let her back in, but you know that it will never feel how it once felt.  The axe body spray smell on her neck will linger, even after it has long dissipated.  There will be times when you'll forget that you're supposed to be skeptical of her and dismayed about events in your shared past, but the reconciliation will never be finalized and the rift that has been slowly sutured can never fully mend.  The best case scenario is to see an unadulterated love through your children's eyes, only to simultaneously have the sad realization that it's a perspective that you can no longer share no matter how you yearn for untainted perspective of the past.

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« Reply #102 on: November 17, 2011, 01:57:54 pm »
The MiLB should force the Rangers to change their name to the Dallas Rangers of Arlington.
 

Even better.

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« Reply #103 on: November 17, 2011, 01:58:40 pm »
Better.

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« Reply #104 on: November 17, 2011, 02:07:48 pm »
The Arlington Cockstains they shall forever be.

Gotta kick off this "rivalry" the right way.

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« Reply #105 on: November 17, 2011, 02:11:03 pm »
Historical revisionism already at work: That quote no longer appears in the first linked story.  Instead, it now reads as follows:

"When McLane and Crane came to agreement in May, the sale price was announced at $680 million. But when Crane was told the sale was contingent on the Astros changing leagues, he was granted a $70 million credit. That discount reportedly is being split evenly by MLB and McLane, who says Crane is more than ready to take over the team. "

too late, somebody else saw it too, http://sportspyder.com/teams/houston-astros/articles/5222211

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« Reply #106 on: November 17, 2011, 02:11:47 pm »
To hell with that. Dig up his corpse and shit down his throat.

If God is a baseball fan, Bud will be sucking Hitler's cock in Hell...
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« Reply #107 on: November 17, 2011, 02:13:44 pm »
Stop! Don't fuel this. Don't make me actually care.

Right now, there's no baseball team I could care a flip less about than the Rangers. Whoopty friggin doo.

Among the infinite reasons I hate this thing is the naked condescension of it. It reeks of one of those big-budget hollywood properties that insults the audience by presuming to know what they want and shoving a thoughtless and worthless spectacle down their throat.

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« Reply #108 on: November 17, 2011, 02:18:33 pm »
Even better.

+1.  I bet the A's were happy the California Angels changed names.  
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« Reply #109 on: November 17, 2011, 02:36:36 pm »
Richard Justice, Nov. 16, 2011:
"Crane wasn’t going to own the Astros unless he agreed to change leagues."

Richard Justice, Sept. 7, 2011:
"Jim Crane may never own the Astros, but it won’t be because he refuses to move to the American League. Could it end up being a factor amid reports he’s being asked to consider it? Sure, it could. But it won’t be a deal breaker."


Shit, that's a record for Richard Justice.  It's never taken him two months to pull a 180.
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« Reply #110 on: November 17, 2011, 11:22:50 pm »
If God is a baseball fan, Bud will be sucking Hitler's cock in Hell...

Nice vent.

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« Reply #111 on: November 18, 2011, 12:05:41 am »
If God is a baseball fan, Bud will be sucking Hitler's cock in Hell...
I'm not sure that wouldn't be Selig's version of Heaven.
He breezed him, one more time!