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A Small Rant
« on: July 01, 2009, 09:13:12 am »
Have seen a lot of instances (both on the Astros and other teams) of fielders not following the runner with the tag on close plays at the base.  In a lot of cases, they would have had the guy had they done so (runner overslid the bag).  Is is not fashionable to do this in today's game? 

Also, hit the goddamn cutoff man, Hunter.
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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2009, 10:06:36 am »
well ranted. would you like some of my lexipro. takes the edge off
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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2009, 10:16:30 am »
I've got a big rant. And to prove it, it's going to be in all caps.


HUNTER PENCE, LEARN TO THE HIT THE GODDAMN CUTOFF MAN! IF I WANTED TO WATCH SOME SLOP JAR FULL OF NUTS SAIL THROWS OVER THE CUTOFF MAN AND ALLOW RUNNERS TO ADVANCE, I'D GO WATCH MANNY RAMIREZ PLAY!

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Re: A Small Rant
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2009, 10:19:58 am »
I've got a big rant. And to prove it, it's going to be in all caps.


HUNTER PENCE, LEARN TO THE HIT THE GODDAMN CUTOFF MAN! IF I WANTED TO WATCH SOME SLOP JAR FULL OF NUTS SAIL THROWS OVER THE CUTOFF MAN AND ALLOW RUNNERS TO ADVANCE, I'D GO WATCH MANNY RAMIREZ PLAY!

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Re: A Small Rant
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2009, 10:43:58 am »
the fucking winning run

"I needed to

hit the cutoff man,

and I didn't," Pence said. "I think I tried too hard to throw him out at home when there really wasn't much of a chance, and I should have just

hit the cutoff man.

When I was throwing it, I was trying to throw him out instead of

hit the cutoff man.

In hindsight, I should have just

hit the cutoff man."

"You've got to try to throw the guy out," Cooper said. "That's the run that ties the game, and you've got to try to go for it.
http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090630&content_id=5623176&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou

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Re: A Small Rant
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2009, 10:49:47 am »
I wonder who got to Pence, it obviously wasn't Cooper?
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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2009, 11:00:19 am »
I wonder who got to Pence, it obviously wasn't Cooper?

Blum.

Or Baggy emailed him a scowl.
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Re: A Small Rant
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2009, 12:25:40 pm »
"I needed to

hit the cutoff man,

and I didn't," Pence said. "I think I tried too hard to throw him out at home when there really wasn't much of a chance, and I should have just

hit the cutoff man.

When I was throwing it, I was trying to throw him out instead of

hit the cutoff man.

In hindsight, I should have just

hit the cutoff man."

"You've got to try to throw the guy out," Cooper said. "That's the run that ties the game, and you've got to try to go for it.
http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090630&content_id=5623176&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou

That is a mind-boggling dichotomy.  As if we needed yet another example of just how far removed Cooper is from the team he is managing and from reality.

I wish someone here had a direct line to Wade and McLane to feed him this stuff in such an easily digestible format.
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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2009, 12:28:02 pm »
"I needed to

hit the cutoff man,

and I didn't," Pence said. "I think I tried too hard to throw him out at home when there really wasn't much of a chance, and I should have just

hit the cutoff man.

When I was throwing it, I was trying to throw him out instead of

hit the cutoff man.

In hindsight, I should have just

hit the cutoff man."

"You've got to try to throw the guy out," Cooper said. "That's the run that ties the game, and you've got to try to go for it.
http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090630&content_id=5623176&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou

Wow.

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Re: A Small Rant
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2009, 12:31:00 pm »
This would make for good beat poetry.  Next time the coffee shop has open mic night...

"I needed to

hit the cutoff man,

and I didn't," Pence said. "I think I tried too hard to throw him out at home when there really wasn't much of a chance, and I should have just

hit the cutoff man.

When I was throwing it, I was trying to throw him out instead of

hit the cutoff man.

In hindsight, I should have just

hit the cutoff man."

"You've got to try to throw the guy out," Cooper said. "That's the run that ties the game, and you've got to try to go for it.
http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090630&content_id=5623176&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou
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Re: A Small Rant
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2009, 12:33:04 pm »
This would make for good beat poetry.  Next time the coffee shop has open mic night...


HIT THE CUTOFF...

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Re: A Small Rant
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2009, 12:47:33 pm »
That is a mind-boggling dichotomy.  As if we needed yet another example of just how far removed Cooper is from the team he is managing and from reality.

I wish someone here had a direct line to Wade and McLane to feed him this stuff in such an easily digestible format.

I'm guessing that Cooper knows what Pence should have done but thinks this is how you protect players.  What he doesn't comprehend is that this is the kind of a situation where a good manager already has established that he has his players' backs and would frankly acknowledge that it wasn't one of Hunter's finest moments but that it was a team loss and move on.  Instead, Cooper comes off looking like an imbecile.
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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2009, 12:49:22 pm »
Hopefully Cooper was just being overzealous about not throwing his player under the bus publicly. Because, y'know, he never does that.

ah, Taras beat me to the punch, and put it much better too.
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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2009, 12:53:33 pm »
That is a mind-boggling dichotomy.  As if we needed yet another example of just how far removed Cooper is from the team he is managing and from reality.

I wish someone here had a direct line to Wade and McLane to feed him this stuff in such an easily digestible format.

Whispering in the ear of the GM? A little bird tweeting in the owners' ear?  Yeah... No.  However,

June 29, 2009, 12:25AM
(Ortiz) Cooper likely won’t go with a six-man rotation because that hasn’t been considered.

“We’d have to cross that bridge when we get to it,” Cooper said. “I like four. That’s old school. ”
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bb/6502152.html

June 29, 2009, 11:40PM
With Mike Hampton coming off the disabled list to pitch tonight’s game, the Astros will use a six-man rotation until the All-Star Game break.

“You’ve got no off days and a continuation of the suspended game against Washington,” general manager Ed Wade said.
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I don't think it's just the players he's removed from.

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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2009, 01:32:30 pm »
"I needed to

hit the cutoff man,

and I didn't," Pence said. "I think I tried too hard to throw him out at home when there really wasn't much of a chance, and I should have just

hit the cutoff man.

When I was throwing it, I was trying to throw him out instead of

hit the cutoff man.

In hindsight, I should have just

hit the cutoff man."

"You've got to try to throw the guy out," Cooper said. "That's the run that ties the game, and you've got to try to go for it.
http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090630&content_id=5623176&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou

holyfuckingshit, Cooper. you truly are an idiot.

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« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2009, 02:30:20 pm »
I'm guessing that Cooper knows what Pence should have done but thinks this is how you protect players.  What he doesn't comprehend is that this is the kind of a situation where a good manager already has established that he has his players' backs and would frankly acknowledge that it wasn't one of Hunter's finest moments but that it was a team loss and move on.  Instead, Cooper comes off looking like an imbecile.

and, perhaps he is one.

i think what we glean from all this is that missing the cutoff man is not unacceptable.
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« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2009, 07:49:00 am »
"I needed to

hit the cutoff man,

and I didn't," Pence said. "I think I tried too hard to throw him out at home when there really wasn't much of a chance, and I should have just

hit the cutoff man.

When I was throwing it, I was trying to throw him out instead of

hit the cutoff man.

In hindsight, I should have just

hit the cutoff man."

"You've got to try to throw the guy out," Cooper said. "That's the run that ties the game, and you've got to try to go for it.
http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090630&content_id=5623176&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou

what amazes me about these quotes is that both of these yokels appear to believe that hitting the cutoff man and throwing the runner out at home are mutually exclusive options that one must choose between. that is Ray Kerby-like thinking.

a good outfielder throws the ball home through the head of the cutoff man. if there is a play on the lead runner, the ball will go through. if there is no play, the cutoff man can reach the ball and cut it off. because the cutoff is possible from the trajectory of the throw, the back runner will not move up (unless, of course, he tries to force a cutoff by not stopping at first base).

regardless of what the back runner does, the OFer does not throw the ball TO the cutoff man; he throws it to the base through him. Hunter and Coop apparently do not know this.
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« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2009, 08:22:55 am »
what amazes me about these quotes is that both of these yokels appear to believe that hitting the cutoff man and throwing the runner out at home are mutually exclusive options that one must choose between. that is Ray Kerby-like thinking.

a good outfielder throws the ball home through the head of the cutoff man. if there is a play on the lead runner, the ball will go through. if there is no play, the cutoff man can reach the ball and cut it off. because the cutoff is possible from the trajectory of the throw, the back runner will not move up (unless, of course, he tries to force a cutoff by not stopping at first base).

regardless of what the back runner does, the OFer does not throw the ball TO the cutoff man; he throws it to the base through him. Hunter and Coop apparently do not know this.

That's certainly the way it ought to work, but I'm not sure that Hunter has the arm to make that throw. If he tries to throw through the cutoff man's head, the ball probably bounces three times on the way to the plate. Add in the boomerang element of some of his throws, and the cutoff man probably has to be over sharing sunflower seeds with Berkman if he's going to be in the path of the ball.
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« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2009, 09:57:19 am »
what amazes me about these quotes is that both of these yokels appear to believe that hitting the cutoff man and throwing the runner out at home are mutually exclusive options that one must choose between. that is Ray Kerby-like thinking.

a good outfielder throws the ball home through the head of the cutoff man. if there is a play on the lead runner, the ball will go through. if there is no play, the cutoff man can reach the ball and cut it off. because the cutoff is possible from the trajectory of the throw, the back runner will not move up (unless, of course, he tries to force a cutoff by not stopping at first base).

regardless of what the back runner does, the OFer does not throw the ball TO the cutoff man; he throws it to the base through him. Hunter and Coop apparently do not know this.

Yeah, I don't know if Hunter meant it as a pure throw right at the cut-off man.  He may of meant he did not throw it correctly in order to allow for a cut-off if necessary.  You throw the ball around the top of the cap area or where they can use their hands to catch ball easily if the "cut!" call is made.  Usually you designate who in the infield has the call depending on where the throw is going.  Even if the throw goes through, if it is within the region where it can be cut, the runner will not risk it (usually) so they will stay put.

I didn't know if there was that fine a scope to what Hunter and Cooper were saying.  I hope not.

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« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2009, 11:51:03 am »
what amazes me about these quotes is that both of these yokels appear to believe that hitting the cutoff man and throwing the runner out at home are mutually exclusive options that one must choose between. that is Ray Kerby-like thinking.

a good outfielder throws the ball home through the head of the cutoff man. if there is a play on the lead runner, the ball will go through. if there is no play, the cutoff man can reach the ball and cut it off. because the cutoff is possible from the trajectory of the throw, the back runner will not move up (unless, of course, he tries to force a cutoff by not stopping at first base).

regardless of what the back runner does, the OFer does not throw the ball TO the cutoff man; he throws it to the base through him. Hunter and Coop apparently do not know this.
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I now do this routinely, and ask the pitcher to tell me whether to let it go or not. Makes things a lot easier.
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« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2009, 12:14:02 pm »
Baseball 101. The third baseman should be telling you.
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« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2009, 12:53:59 pm »
Baseball 101. The third baseman should be telling you.


Exactly.  The fielder covering the base, to which you are the cutoff man, should be yelling to let it go or cut it.  The pitcher shouldn't be in the play at all except backing up a base.
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« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2009, 01:02:44 pm »
Even if the throw goes through, if it is within the region where it can be cut, the runner will not risk it (usually) so they will stay put.

Exactly. If the throw is beaming in at the cutoff man's head like it should be the runner's not going anywhere. If he sees Hunter rainbow one up in the clouds he can circle the bases without a care.

The whole thing is really not that difficult a concept.
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« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2009, 01:17:51 pm »
I suppose there's the possibility that the cutoff man was in the wrong spot and Hunter had to make a choice. But it doesn't sound like it from his comments.
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« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2009, 01:25:19 pm »
Exactly. If the throw is beaming in at the cutoff man's head like it should be the runner's not going anywhere. If he sees Hunter rainbow one up in the clouds he can circle the bases without a care.

The whole thing is really not that difficult a concept.

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« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2009, 01:27:05 pm »

Exactly.  The fielder covering the base, to which you are the cutoff man, should be yelling to let it go or cut it.  The pitcher shouldn't be in the play at all except backing up a base.
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« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2009, 01:31:00 pm »
When I played back in the dark ages, the third baseman had cutoff for throws from left field, while the first baseman had the same for throws from center and right.  I think I recall that as first baseman, I positioned behind the pitcher's mound for throws from center.  Is this typical now?  If the catcher didn't yell, "cut" I let it go.
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« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2009, 01:40:58 pm »
For throws home, yes. I had my catchers yell "let it go" or "cut" and the number of the base where he wanted the throw to go. This eliminated indecision by the 1B.
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« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2009, 01:43:47 pm »
In real baseball, yeah, but for my softball team (FWIW) I trust our pitcher a lot more to both read the situation and yell loud enough.

I play first in all the softball leagues I play in, and unless I'm involved in the cutoff play, I'm the one calling cuts.


Mostly because the rest of the team wouldn't know a cutoff call from their ass.
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« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2009, 04:49:40 pm »
For throws home, yes. I had my catchers yell "let it go" or "cut" and the number of the base where he wanted the throw to go. This eliminated indecision by the 1B.


That was pretty standard for every team I caught for as well.  I've heard some coaches tell the catcher if he wants the throw to go through, not to say anything.  But someone is always yelling, and it's too confusing.  So I always yell "GO" or "CUT"or "CUT 2", or whatever.
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« Reply #30 on: July 02, 2009, 04:50:15 pm »
I play first in all the softball leagues I play in, and unless I'm involved in the cutoff play, I'm the one calling cuts.


Mostly because the rest of the team wouldn't know a cutoff call from their ass.


I would guess in most of your softball leagues, the catcher is not field general he is in baseball.
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« Reply #31 on: July 02, 2009, 05:01:20 pm »

I would guess in most of your softball leagues, the catcher is not field general he is in baseball.

Typically, ironically, it's usually the player who can't catch.
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« Reply #32 on: July 02, 2009, 05:06:24 pm »
Typically, ironically, it's usually the player who can't catch.

sometimes you just need an extra body to field the team and they (me) can't catch, throw or hit.
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« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2009, 09:36:52 am »

I would guess in most of your softball leagues, the catcher is not field general he is in baseball.

I can't tell you how many times I've cut a throw and wheeled to whip it home only to realize our catcher is standing there with her glove at her side, and I'm 40 feet away from her about to throw a ball as hard as I can at her.

That usually ends with me either almost breaking my arm trying to stop myself from throwing or me sailing the ball to the backstop. Or humming a throw that hits her in the glove but she drops, then tells me not to throw it so hard next time.
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« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2009, 10:08:09 am »
I can't tell you how many times I've cut a throw and wheeled to whip it home only to realize our catcher is standing there with her glove at her side, and I'm 40 feet away from her about to throw a ball as hard as I can at her.

That usually ends with me either almost breaking my arm trying to stop myself from throwing or me sailing the ball to the backstop. Or humming a throw that hits her in the glove but she drops, then tells me not to throw it so hard next time.

I was talked into playing shortstop for our company team when I was younger (about 40 lbs ago).  This was my second job so I thought "why not" and went with it.  I had never played softball in my life, so this was going to be a new adventure for me.  I later found out it was a co-ed team.  "COOL!" I thought and continued to go with it.  First game, man on first, the next hitter, a pretty good woman player, hits a smash at me at short.  I pick it cleanly, look to throw to second base and the second baseman (a guy) is still standing at the normal second base position looking at me with the "oh, am I suppose to do something?" type of look.  So I run to second base to get the force out and just on instinct whip a throw to first base to try for the double play.  We had a woman who had never played ball before at first (she was in accounting and every guy in the office hit on her daily, and she never once gave them the time of day).  So I watch as my throw sails towards her and the look on her face is shear terror.  Her glove is down by her side and all I can see is the ball traveling straight to nose.  I was sure I was going to be charge with softball manslaughter after this play.  Instead the ball took a last minute turn to the right, whizzing pass her face about half a foot or so.  Thank goodness for sliders, because I must of thrown one that time.

The woman just walked off the field after that, even though we still needed one out to get back to the dugout.  This was my very first time, very first inning of playing softball.  I knew after that, something was terribly wrong with this game and I would be jinxed if I kept playing.  So we secure the next out and run into the dugout and the guy who spent all his spare time trying to convince me to play for the team comes up to me and says "You need to calm down and stop playing like this is a professional baseball game or something.  You're going to kill somebody out there!"  I look at him and then look at everyone else who is standing behind him nodding thier heads, some still consoling the now crying former first basewoman.  I said "sure, no problem" not knowing eggszactly how one would ratchet down a simple double play?  I think they were really talking about the speed of the ball I threw so I processed the information and decided to lob each and every throw from then on (and this was to everyone, guys and gals).

So was anyone else hurt that day playing this godforsaken game?  Yeah, me!  Same woman who hit a shot at me comes up later in the game and hits another screamer at me.  Softball fields are nothing but dirt infields and my normal ritual of clearing the dirt clumps and mounds in front of me was forgotten for this last inning.  Bad mistake.  Ball coming right at me, I'm in position to grab and lob a throw to first, but instead the ball jumps up after hitting a clump of sand and hits me right on the kisser.  I immediately start to bleed all over the place while both teams are cheering.  I was not a hot-dog or anything that day, but they thought so, so that is all that matters in terms of their reaction to me lying on the infield bleeding to death.

I get off the field, grab a towel from my bag (something everyone else was also very upset about... I brought a bag with towels, eye black, spikes, bat, water bottle, and a chage of clothing plus sandals to walk off the field... all most of my teammates brought was a gatorade bottle and cigarettes) and place it on the deep cut.  I drive myself to emergency to get stitches.

I never played for that team again, something they appreciated as much as I did.  Oh, the following year, the same guy walks up to me and says "Hey, I'm putting together a tea..." "NO!" I scream and start to walk away.
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« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2009, 10:41:09 am »
The firm usually puts together a team for a summer tournament that the young lawyers association puts together.

I'm a pretty good softball player, and a damn good first baseman. They asked me to play a few years ago, as well as my old man. Well, I get out there and find out I'm going to be splitting time at first with my boss, who has been telling me all week in a joking fashion about how I was going to be riding pine once everyone saw what a good hitter he was.

The guy running the team is treating it like a Little League game, making sure that everyone plays equal innings and getting a chance.

Well, we get out there and, oh man, my boss is an absolute clunker both at the plate and in the field. He has no footwork around the bag, doesn't know how to stretch for throws, and swings like a rusty gate.

Well, after his couple of innings in the order, I swap in, and my first at bat just blast a ball in the gap in right center for a double or triple.  I make a few nice plays at first, throw a guy out trying to take an extra base. Generally doing what I do when I play softball, being the field general and taking charge of backing up plays and being the cutoff man.

After that, my boss never really talked any trash to me about softball again.

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« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2009, 10:59:04 am »
our firm once had a coed softball team, and against my better judgment, i played. our catcher was a rail-thin secretary, and before we took the field, i asked her if she could catch the ball. she assured me that she could.

i played SS, and with a runner on second, the batter hit a hard shot that glanced off of our woman 3B (a good player) and bounced into the coach's box. i was moving to my right on the hit, and i told her i'd get the ball. the runner at second foolishly was going to try to score, but i had time to set my feet to throw home. i threw it as hard as i could, and to my horror, the catcher's hands were at her side with the ball on the way. she never moved either hand up, and the throw whistled over her left shoulder and smashed into the screen. the runner, of course, scored.

after the inning, i said "Donya, i thought you told me you could catch." her reply: "Not if you throw it that hard."

i could have killed her or at the least, rearranged her facial features. it scared the dickens out of me.
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« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2009, 11:04:19 am »
I can't tell you how many times I've cut a throw and wheeled to whip it home only to realize our catcher is standing there with her glove at her side, and I'm 40 feet away from her about to throw a ball as hard as I can at her.

That usually ends with me either almost breaking my arm trying to stop myself from throwing or me sailing the ball to the backstop. Or humming a throw that hits her in the glove but she drops, then tells me not to throw it so hard next time.

Where in the fuck was your pitcher?  Co-ed softball convention says that your catcher sucks, so the pitcher covers home.  At least that's how it is when I pitch.

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« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2009, 11:18:12 am »
Where in the fuck was your pitcher?  Co-ed softball convention says that your catcher sucks, so the pitcher covers home.  At least that's how it is when I pitch.

Our pitcher wasn't much better.
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« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2009, 12:30:31 pm »
I was no good at softball except for pitching in NO, where they play overhand softball. It was fun to throw knuckleballs and curveballs. I actually threw a nine inning shutout once and struck out five. But you can have that underhand shit. I can't hit.
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« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2009, 12:42:24 pm »
I was no good at softball except for pitching in NO, where they play overhand softball. It was fun to throw knuckleballs and curveballs. I actually threw a nine inning shutout once and struck out five. But you can have that underhand shit. I can't hit.

I once threw a no-hitter in slow pitch softball. No kidding.

Every once in a while my cousins will invite me to play with them on their co-ed team. I play short. You really do have to size up who can catch and who can't because that shit is no joke. I don't want to break someone's nose just because they're an idiot.

One game the other team has runners on first and second. I field a sharp grounder and wheel over to third to get the lead runner. My cousin's husband is manning the position. As I wheel around I discover that he is nowhere near the bag. In fact, he has not moved one inch from where he was playing at the time of the pitch. He is, though, looking at me with mild interest. So I wheel back towards second. Second baseman (wife of third baseman and a darn good player, usually) is nowhere to be found. I don't have time to investigate where the hell she might be before I fire it over to first. The batter beat me by a step.

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« Reply #41 on: July 03, 2009, 12:48:32 pm »
I refuse to play coed softball.. unless it's a beers in the field/on the bases game. Otherwise it's too hard to ratchet down.
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« Reply #42 on: July 03, 2009, 01:16:48 pm »
I was no good at softball except for pitching in NO, where they play overhand softball. It was fun to throw knuckleballs and curveballs. I actually threw a nine inning shutout once and struck out five. But you can have that underhand shit. I can't hit.

It took me about a year to figure out how to slow myself down enough to hit a softball well. My first season I was the JT Snow of our softball league. I got on base at a fair clip, but mostly it was because I had pretty good speed hitting from the left hand batters box, and I could beat most of the guys playing pitcher or first to the bag when I hit a 55 hopper into no man's land between the pitcher's mound and 1st.
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« Reply #43 on: July 03, 2009, 01:27:21 pm »
It took me about a year to figure out how to slow myself down enough to hit a softball well. My first season I was the JT Snow of our softball league. I got on base at a fair clip, but mostly it was because I had pretty good speed hitting from the left hand batters box, and I could beat most of the guys playing pitcher or first to the bag when I hit a 55 hopper into no man's land between the pitcher's mound and 1st.

this is the truth. it was fun watching Mark, who was a very good hitter in HS baseball, try to stay back long enough to hit in slow pitch softball. the first year he played, that was impossible.
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« Reply #44 on: July 03, 2009, 01:30:13 pm »
this is the truth. it was fun watching Mark, who was a very good hitter in HS baseball, try to stay back long enough to hit in slow pitch softball. the first year he played, that was impossible.

That was SO frustrating.

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« Reply #45 on: July 03, 2009, 04:21:04 pm »
That was SO frustrating.

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I still get in those ruts...where I can't do anything but pull the ball.  I've taken to resting the damn bat on my shoulder to try to slow down the whole process and wait.  It's still a struggle, which is where the beer comes in.

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Any softball hitting tips?  I've been too lazy to go to the cages.  My baseball swing's nice and level.  Doesn't work so well for softball.  I pull everything for line drives and groundballs.  I need to hit some monsters to make up for my DP last week.  Change to the Ted Williams approach and try to give it a little more of an uppercut? 

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« Reply #47 on: July 04, 2009, 02:11:22 am »
Any softball hitting tips?  I've been too lazy to go to the cages.  My baseball swing's nice and level.  Doesn't work so well for softball.  I pull everything for line drives and groundballs.  I need to hit some monsters to make up for my DP last week.  Change to the Ted Williams approach and try to give it a little more of an uppercut? 

Try to be a worse athlete.  I swing as hard as I can every time and single up the middle or sometimes over the secondbaseman(woman)'s head.  The outfielder usually has to pick up the ball when it quickly stops rolling.  Works great.
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« Reply #48 on: July 04, 2009, 09:01:23 am »
Any softball hitting tips?  I've been too lazy to go to the cages.  My baseball swing's nice and level.  Doesn't work so well for softball.  I pull everything for line drives and groundballs.  I need to hit some monsters to make up for my DP last week.  Change to the Ted Williams approach and try to give it a little more of an uppercut? 

Like Mark, I struggled at the plate when I first started playing softball. The biggest adjustment is staying back. I would exhale a deep breath as the pitcher was releasing the ball and once the ball started coming down from it's apex, I would then load up on my back foot with a high leg kick that I would have never use in baseball. The extra weight provided by the high leg kick helps provide more power, but it's worthless if you don't wait on the pitch and move your weight forward too soon. That's the hardest part of the timing, is when to begin your swing and I will just say, wait as long as possible. Other than that I don't really change anything with my swing and I hit a softball with a lot of power to all fields.

You're pulling the ball because you're not staying back, but if you continue to pull the ball even if you feel you are waiting on the pitch, then scoot out in the batter's box (away from plate) and get your hands inside of the ball. This will help you hit the ball to center field. Also, stand back in the box as much as possible at all times. Hope this rambling helps.
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« Reply #49 on: July 04, 2009, 09:23:32 am »
When I was in grad school, the Oxford University debate team came to Houston as part of their US "tour".  One of my friends was in charge of entertaining them for a few days, and they decided that a softball game was a particularly American thing to do in the spring.  After we chose up sides, I found myself playing 3B and a very nice, brilliant, but exceptionaly non-athletic little doughboy from Oxford was at 1B.  I fielded a high chopper and immediately forgot who was who and where.  I threw a bullet over to 1B that knocked his glove off.  I'm not sure who was more terrified, him or me.  I've never thrown a ball as hard as I could on a softball field ever again.
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« Reply #50 on: July 04, 2009, 03:59:08 pm »
The automotive distributer for whom I was working in the mid-80's asked me to play one weekend in its co-ed league.  I had just moved to SA and thought it beat the hell out of unpacking boxes, so I agreed. 

All's going well until it's the ybber's time to bat--yes, Gleach, I had to go move my car first.  Anyway, I struck out the first time at bat, much to the delight of Gould's Salon or whatever barber shop quartet/styling salon outfit we were playing that afternoon. 

Even though I managed to get on base every time the rest of the day, it was too late--"Strike out king comin' up" (and worse) was all I heard for the duration--deservedly so, I suppose; I mean, I did strike out in a slow pitch game.  Gotta tell ya, though, that as you step into the batter's box, there's nothing more uniquely enraging and at the same time amusing as getting called a pussy by a bunch of hairdressers, male and female.  One of my teammates had the presence of mind to fire back at them, "He'll scratch your eyes out, bitch!"  Tough day at the ball park.

I'm guessing their post-party was at the Bohham Exchange.
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« Reply #51 on: July 04, 2009, 04:39:33 pm »
Like Mark, I struggled at the plate when I first started playing softball. The biggest adjustment is staying back. I would exhale a deep breath as the pitcher was releasing the ball and once the ball started coming down from it's apex, I would then load up on my back foot with a high leg kick that I would have never use in baseball. The extra weight provided by the high leg kick helps provide more power, but it's worthless if you don't wait on the pitch and move your weight forward too soon. That's the hardest part of the timing, is when to begin your swing and I will just say, wait as long as possible. Other than that I don't really change anything with my swing and I hit a softball with a lot of power to all fields.

You're pulling the ball because you're not staying back, but if you continue to pull the ball even if you feel you are waiting on the pitch, then scoot out in the batter's box (away from plate) and get your hands inside of the ball. This will help you hit the ball to center field. Also, stand back in the box as much as possible at all times. Hope this rambling helps.

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« Reply #52 on: July 04, 2009, 11:46:36 pm »
The automotive distributer for whom I was working in the mid-80's asked me to play one weekend in its co-ed league.  I had just moved to SA and thought it beat the hell out of unpacking boxes, so I agreed. 

All's going well until it's the ybber's time to bat--yes, Gleach, I had to go move my car first.  Anyway, I struck out the first time at bat, much to the delight of Gould's Salon or whatever barber shop quartet/styling salon outfit we were playing that afternoon. 

Even though I managed to get on base every time the rest of the day, it was too late--"Strike out king comin' up" (and worse) was all I heard for the duration--deservedly so, I suppose; I mean, I did strike out in a slow pitch game.  Gotta tell ya, though, that as you step into the batter's box, there's nothing more uniquely enraging and at the same time amusing as getting called a pussy by a bunch of hairdressers, male and female.  One of my teammates had the presence of mind to fire back at them, "He'll scratch your eyes out, bitch!"  Tough day at the ball park.

I'm guessing their post-party was at the Bohham Exchange.

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« Reply #53 on: July 05, 2009, 11:25:45 am »
My first couple of seasons playing slow-pitch, I approached things like I did in baseball, trying to pull almost everything, with power.  This resulted in a lot of long, lazy fly outs to the left-fielder.  Somebody finally explained to me our league used a "restricted flight" ball, something I'd never heard of up 'til then.  The only way to drive one into an alley or get one up and out was to catch it just right, preferably with a reasonably high wind at your back.  Everything else would start off like a line drive, and then just about the time it was leaving the infield, the ball would start floating.  Even fat guys were running down my drives.  With ease.  It was frustrating as hell.

I finally learned to wait on the ball and "place hit."  I became a spray-hitter, of all things.  All my life, in every phase of baseball/tennis ball/whiffle ball/cup ball/whatever, I had been a power guy.  It was so fucking weird walking up there and digging in, then slapping the ball around like Rod Carew.

It worked, though.  Once I figured out what I was doing, I was the best hitter on our team for about ten years.  In our league we used a tenth fielder, a rover who usually played in short left field against right-handed hitters, which I am.  To counteract this extra fielder, I eventually became an opposite field hitter, pretty much exclusively; something else I had never been.  I was kind of the Tony Eusebio of fucking city league softball.

Every once in awhile I'd still go up there and just rip, just to make sure I could still do it.  As I watched my fly ball begin its long, lazy arc into the short-fielder's glove, I wasn't sad.  I felt like a real man again, if briefly.

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« Reply #54 on: July 05, 2009, 11:35:34 am »
The softball coaches in college used to confuse and confound former high school baseball players trying to get that easy A in PE.  How?  By telling them not to swing level but to swing slightly up.  Guys who refused always missed that one question on the "test" and pounded their bats into the ground on the way back to the dugout after experiencing what strosrays just described, the inexplicable lazy fly to left.
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