Author Topic: Castro torn meniscus (Read 17335 times)

Apparently it depends on the kind of tear.

http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/meniscusinjuries1/a/meniscusrepair_2.htm

[modified to include a doctor on the internet link]

Depends on the tear, the person, and their age (IMHO). I had mine repaired on around this date when I was 47 with mixed results. A young athlete should recover pretty nicely but a quick return to catching might still be a tall order.

Gizzmonic · « **Reply #10 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:01:39 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on March 03, 2011, 09:59:53 am

I can't take another season of J.R. Towles.

(Cue Dallas theme song)

austro · « **Reply #11 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:04:00 am »

How did Castro get hurt? I don't remember any description of that.

EasTexAstro · « **Reply #12 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:06:15 am »

Quote from: austro on March 03, 2011, 10:04:00 am

How did Castro get hurt? I don't remember any description of that.

Running to first, trying to avoid the tag, turned his knee when his foot planted on the edge of the bag.

MusicMan · « **Reply #13 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:07:28 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on March 03, 2011, 09:59:53 am

I can't take another season of J.R. Towles.

Serious proposal if this is long-term:

Bengie Molina's available.

EasTexAstro · « **Reply #14 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:10:56 am »

So is Brad Ausmus...

GreatBagwellsBeard · « **Reply #15 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:14:08 am »

And Yogi Berra.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #16 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:14:14 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on March 03, 2011, 10:07:28 am

Serious proposal if this is long-term:

Bengie Molina's available.

I'd take a Molina (any of them) over Towles, every day and twice on Sundays. The fact that Towles is even an option is a depressing reminder of how bad the catching is in this organization.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #17 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:15:28 am »

Quote from: GreatBagwellsBeard on March 03, 2011, 10:14:08 am

And Yogi Berra.

Hell, I'm available too. I have my own mitt, and everything.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #18 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:16:46 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on March 03, 2011, 10:15:28 am

Hell, I'm available too. I have my own mitt, and everything.

I guess the dingo ran off with the Bring Back Ron Brand movement.

JimR · « **Reply #19 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:22:39 am »

I'd take Molina in a nanosecond.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #20 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:23:59 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on March 03, 2011, 10:14:14 am

I'd take a Molina (any of them) over Towles, every day and twice on Sundays. The fact that Towles is even an option is a depressing reminder of how bad the catching is in this organization.

There's some talent in A-ball but nothing near ready.

I'd bet Q is the starter for the season.

strosrays · « **Reply #21 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:28:11 am »

Quote from: Taras Bulba on March 03, 2011, 10:01:23 am

Depends on the tear, the person, and their age (IMHO). I had mine repaired on around this date when I was 47 with mixed results. A young athlete should recover pretty nicely but a quick return to catching might still be a tall order.

I had my left knee 'scoped for this at age 43. Left me with three neat little x's on the surface around the joint. I believe my recovery program mainly involved sitting in an easy chair, watching TV, and drinking vodka tonics, and ordering everyone around. I recovered pretty quickly (forcibly.)

Quote from: HudsonHawk on March 03, 2011, 09:59:53 am

I can't take another season of J.R. Towles' between-innings promos wistfully thinking about rodeo clowns and what could have been.

Fixed

BatGirl · « **Reply #22 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:32:55 am »

brett dolan tweets:

Spr tr injuries stink! Bad news about Castro. Cabrera could have flipped to pitch or taken ball 2 bag. Tried 2 tag Jason and made 4 ack stop

MusicMan · « **Reply #23 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:35:38 am »

Quote from: BatGirl on March 03, 2011, 10:32:55 am

brett dolan tweets:

Spr tr injuries stink! Bad news about Castro. Cabrera could have flipped to pitch or taken ball 2 bag. Tried 2 tag Jason and made 4 ack stop

Fredia, stop hacking into DoRay's twitter accounts.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #24 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:38:17 am »

Quote from: BatGirl on March 03, 2011, 10:32:55 am

brett dolan tweets:

Spr tr injuries stink! Bad news about Castro. Cabrera could have flipped to pitch or taken ball 2 bag. Tried 2 tag Jason and made 4 ack stop

WTF does any of that mean? I don't speak "twitter".

VirtualBob · « **Reply #25 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:41:21 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on March 03, 2011, 10:38:17 am

WTF does any of that mean? I don't speak "twitter".

Mr Radio seems to have missed the point of the 140 character limit in twitter ... it is to encourage brevity and clarity, not random obfuscatory abbreviations.

EasTexAstro · « **Reply #26 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:41:52 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on March 03, 2011, 10:38:17 am

WTF does any of that mean? I don't speak "twitter".

Quote

Spr tr injuries stink! Bad news about Castro. Cabrera could have flipped to pitch or taken ball 2 bag. Tried 2 tag Jason and made 4 ack stop

Spring Training injuries stink.

Bad news about Castro.

Cabrera could have flipped the ball to the pitcher, or taken the ball to the bag for the force instead.

He tried to tag Jason and made ...."ack! Stop choking me!" (last part got cut off.)

Ron Brand · « **Reply #27 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:42:34 am »

There's nothing on Earth that will introduce the concepts of brevity and clarity to DoRay.

BatGirl · « **Reply #28 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:43:48 am »

an awkward stop

VirtualBob · « **Reply #29 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:45:19 am »

Quote from: Ron Brand on March 03, 2011, 10:42:34 am

There's nothing on Earth that will introduce the concepts of brevity and clarity to DoRay.

True enough. I was just pointing out that it was a conceptual problem ... not a "twitter-speak" problem.

VirtualBob · « **Reply #30 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:46:34 am »

Quote from: EasTexAstro on March 03, 2011, 10:41:52 am

Spring Training injuries stink.

Bad news about Castro.

Cabrera could have flipped the ball to the pitcher, or taken the ball to the bag for the force instead.

He tried to tag Jason and made ...."ack! Stop choking me!" (last part got cut off.)

What's that Lassie? ... Billy fell down the well (again)?

MusicMan · « **Reply #31 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:47:52 am »

Quote from: EasTexAstro on March 03, 2011, 10:41:52 am

Spring Training injuries stink.

Bad news about Castro.

Cabrera could have flipped the ball to the pitcher, or taken the ball to the bag for the force instead.

He tried to tag Jason and made ...."ack! Stop choking me!" (last part got cut off.)

Oh stewardess? I speak jive.

EasTexAstro · « **Reply #32 on:** March 03, 2011, 10:48:18 am »

Quote from: VirtualBob on March 03, 2011, 10:46:34 am

What's that Lassie? ... Billy fell down the well (again)?

Nice.

I think Batgirl nailed it, though.

MusicMan · « **Reply #33 on:** March 03, 2011, 11:14:08 am »

Footer speculating 2.5 to 3 months for recovery.

BUWebguy · « **Reply #34 on:** March 03, 2011, 11:14:48 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on March 03, 2011, 10:07:28 am

Serious proposal if this is long-term:

Bengie Molina's available.

The last sentence from Astros.com article:

Quote

Mills said he didn't anticipate having to bring in another catcher.

JimR · « **Reply #35 on:** March 03, 2011, 11:36:32 am »

If he does not mean Q can do it, he is wrong.

Reuben · « **Reply #36 on:** March 03, 2011, 01:49:16 pm »

Article on astros.com makes it sound not too too bad:

Quote

Players who have undergone similar surgeries have been out of action anywhere from four to six weeks, which means there's a chance Castro could begin the regular season on the disabled list.

But it does say Wade isn't ruling out bringing in another catcher.
Link

Limey · « **Reply #37 on:** March 03, 2011, 02:07:03 pm »

Quote from: GreatBagwellsBeard on March 03, 2011, 10:14:08 am

And Yogi Berra.

And HH's Grandmother.

GreatBagwellsBeard · « **Reply #38 on:** March 03, 2011, 02:38:17 pm »

Quote from: Limey on March 03, 2011, 02:07:03 pm

And HH's Grandmother.

You leave Jim's prom date out of this.

Outlawscotty · « **Reply #39 on:** March 03, 2011, 03:02:00 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on March 03, 2011, 10:47:52 am

Oh stewardess? I speak jive.

Al Swearengen: [discussing Custer at Little Bighorn] I'll tell you this, son, you can mark my words, Crazy Horse went into Little Bighorn, bought his people one good, long-term ass-fucking. You do not want to be a dirt-worshipping heathen from this fucking point forward. Pardon my French.
Joanie Stubbs: Oh, I speak French.

JimR · « **Reply #40 on:** March 03, 2011, 03:05:35 pm »

Prom date? I was her babysitter.

VirtualBob · « **Reply #41 on:** March 03, 2011, 03:09:46 pm »

Quote from: JimR on March 03, 2011, 03:05:35 pm

Prom date? I was her babysitter.

NTTAWWT

Phil_in_CS · « **Reply #42 on:** March 03, 2011, 04:30:14 pm »

Friend of mine who is a S&C coach has had a very long and difficult recovery from this surgery in October. He's 20 years older than Castro, which does matter, but is in excellent overall shape.

EasTexAstro · « **Reply #43 on:** March 04, 2011, 07:15:35 am »

News this morning: Castro has a torn ACL, too. Will be out until at least September.

roadrunner · « **Reply #44 on:** March 04, 2011, 07:18:34 am »

Quote from: EasTexAstro on March 04, 2011, 07:15:35 am

News this morning: Castro has a torn ACL, too. Will be out until at least September.

Great. The worst possible result.

EasTexAstro · « **Reply #45 on:** March 04, 2011, 07:24:51 am »

link.

pots · « **Reply #46 on:** March 04, 2011, 07:32:56 am »

Screw you BBGs

JimR · « **Reply #47 on:** March 04, 2011, 08:02:12 am »

At least he'll be back for the WS.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #48 on:** March 04, 2011, 08:03:24 am »

What a blow, just when he's getting started.

EasTexAstro · « **Reply #49 on:** March 04, 2011, 09:05:05 am »

alysonfooter:
I keep getting questions about Koby Clemens going back to catching. The answer is a resounding no. Not an option.

MusicMan · « **Reply #50 on:** March 04, 2011, 09:05:44 am »

Quote from: EasTexAstro on March 04, 2011, 09:05:05 am

alysonfooter:
I keep getting questions about Koby Clemens going back to catching. The answer is a resounding no. Not an option.

Footer, as always, shows that an incredibly high tolerance of idiots is the biggest requirement of her job.

austro · « **Reply #51 on:** March 04, 2011, 09:08:19 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on March 04, 2011, 09:05:44 am

Footer, as always, shows that an incredibly high tolerance of idiots is the biggest requirement of her job.

I cannot imagine keeping my composure when confronted with some of the tripe she gets.

Rebel Jew · « **Reply #52 on:** March 04, 2011, 10:32:01 am »

So do you guys think this might make Koby Clemens move back to catcher? If his bat's as good as Chuck says, we could finally have a real offensive force at the position.

Hornstros · « **Reply #53 on:** March 04, 2011, 10:34:52 am »

Quote from: Joey Trum on March 04, 2011, 10:32:01 am

So do you guys think this might make Koby Clemens move back to catcher? If his bat's as good as they say, this could be the answer to the catching problems.

I've already picked him up in my fantasy league. He should garner 'Catcher' eligibility after he's caught 10 games. Come late April, my team is gonna fucking rule

NeilT · « **Reply #54 on:** March 04, 2011, 10:43:04 am »

Quote from: austro on March 04, 2011, 09:08:19 am

I cannot imagine keeping my composure when confronted with some of the tripe she gets.

Has anyone asked if she knows the status of HH's grandmother?

chuck · « **Reply #55 on:** March 04, 2011, 12:16:46 pm »

I have no idea what they might do at the plate in the big leagues and don't much care but from what I've seen Esposito and Corporan can both catch. Not that my opinion means shit but I am totally comfortable with the idea of Q as the every day catcher. I'm really saddened by the injury but Q will play good defense and throw people out when they foolishly try to run on him. He'll bat .220 or .240 but who gives a fuck.

They have several viable defensive options in terms of backup at the position once they tire of Moe Bandy's pouting back there.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #56 on:** March 04, 2011, 12:35:50 pm »

Quote from: chuck on March 04, 2011, 12:16:46 pm

Not that my opinion means shit but I am totally comfortable with the idea of Q as the every day catcher. I'm really saddened by the injury but Q will play good defense and throw people out when they foolishly try to run on him. He'll bat .220 or .240 but who gives a fuck.

They have several viable defensive options in terms of backup at the position once they tire of Moe Bandy's pouting back there.

Not that my opinion means shit, as Bench, Lurch and Coach will gladly and quickly point out, but I agree with you about Q as the every day.

Lurch · « **Reply #57 on:** March 04, 2011, 12:58:26 pm »

Quote from: VirtualBob on March 03, 2011, 10:41:21 am

Mr Radio seems to have missed the point of the 140 character limit in twitter ... it is to encourage brevity and clarity, not random obfuscatory abbreviations.

Tags may need a lesson too:
"He will begin therapy in Houston on Monday at Meth. Rehab Center"

Jacksonian · « **Reply #58 on:** March 04, 2011, 01:08:53 pm »

Quote from: Joey Trum on March 04, 2011, 10:32:01 am

So do you guys think this might make Koby Clemens move back to catcher? If his bat's as good as Chuck says, we could finally have a real offensive force at the position.

I see you are embracing Coach's stance of letting the ball go to the backstop rather than have Towles catch. Excellent.

Reuben · « **Reply #59 on:** March 04, 2011, 01:27:04 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on March 04, 2011, 01:08:53 pm

I see you are embracing Coach's stance of letting the ball go to the backstop rather than have Towles catch. Excellent.

we shoud trad 4 luk scot and he can B cather hes has more power then Cartso anywaye.

BUWebguy · « **Reply #60 on:** March 04, 2011, 01:32:16 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on March 04, 2011, 01:27:04 pm

we shoud trad 4 luk scot and he can B cather hes has more power then Cartso anywaye.

I can't tell if you're going for "Chronicle commenter" or "Twitter rookie," but I suppose either would work.

Ebby Calvin · « **Reply #61 on:** March 04, 2011, 01:33:41 pm »

Quote from: BUWebguy on March 04, 2011, 01:32:16 pm

I can't tell if you're going for "Chronicle commenter" or "Twitter rookie," but I suppose either would work.

Chron commenter, fredia spelling.

I refuse to believe this new iteration of fredia is authentic.

JimR · « **Reply #62 on:** March 04, 2011, 04:48:44 pm »

Quote from: chuck on March 04, 2011, 12:16:46 pm

I have no idea what they might do at the plate in the big leagues and don't much care but from what I've seen Esposito and Corporan can both catch. Not that my opinion means shit but I am totally comfortable with the idea of Q as the every day catcher. I'm really saddened by the injury but Q will play good defense and throw people out when they foolishly try to run on him. He'll bat .220 or .240 but who gives a fuck.

They have several viable defensive options in terms of backup at the position once they tire of Moe Bandy's pouting back there.

agree totally with you and Happy on Q. i would take Molina, though.

astrosfan76 · « **Reply #63 on:** March 04, 2011, 05:42:32 pm »

McTaggart ran down a list of possible trade candidates:

Ryan Doumit, Pirates-Probably the best option on the list, but is still a backup on the Pirates. Owed $5.1M, but could probably get Pittsburgh to eat some of that. Olney tweets that he's definitely available and shouldn't cost too much.
Brian Schneider, Phillies-A reasonable option and only makes $1.5M this season. Not sure how anxious Phils are to move him.
A.J. Ellis, Dodgers-Don't know who he is, but he's their third-stringer.
Kelly Shoppach, Rays-Offense has been terrible the past two seasons. Not sure of his defense, but would be better off using in-house options unless club sees something.
Tyler Flowers, White Sox-Decent MLB-ready catching prospect, starting gig blocked by Pierzynski. Not sure if they would trade the prospects needed for an interim player. They could and just get different prospects in the off-season, though.
Yankees-McT mentions their depth, but doesn't think the Astros would be looking for a prospect. If Montero is ready, though that would make Russell Martin potentially available, though. Martin signed a $4M deal in the offseason, so he's probably out of our price range unless the Yanks ate at least half of that.

http://brianmctaggart.mlblogs.com/archives/2011/03/catching-options-available-for-astros.html

austro · « **Reply #64 on:** March 04, 2011, 06:19:55 pm »

This team is extremely unlikely to contend this year. If you accept that, what's the point in trying to upgrade Q? He's perfectly serviceable, and taking on more salary just to get 20 more points of BA from the catcher position seems silly, especially for a one-year deal. (This assumes that Castro will be back perfectly healthy next year; if that's not the case, then maybe you look for somebody who could be a multi-year solution. But you really won't know if you need that until next off-season.)

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #65 on:** March 04, 2011, 07:17:26 pm »

Quote from: JimR on March 04, 2011, 04:48:44 pm

agree totally with you and Happy on Q. i would take Molina, though.

Agree 100%, Coach. Molina could play for us and make me very happy. Oh wait, I already am!

astrosfan76 · « **Reply #66 on:** March 04, 2011, 08:37:43 pm »

Quote from: austro on March 04, 2011, 06:19:55 pm

This team is extremely unlikely to contend this year. If you accept that, what's the point in trying to upgrade Q? He's perfectly serviceable, and taking on more salary just to get 20 more points of BA from the catcher position seems silly, especially for a one-year deal. (This assumes that Castro will be back perfectly healthy next year; if that's not the case, then maybe you look for somebody who could be a multi-year solution. But you really won't know if you need that until next off-season.)

The problem is that the F.O. isn't going to concede the season (esp. in Spring Training). So, adding what could be a much more potent bat, once you move past BA, might be beneficial to the club. If they start Q, they start Q, but at this point, taking on another catcher's salary on a 1-year deal would be the same as adding Pudge's salary in '09 (ie won't affect any other potential moves).

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #67 on:** March 05, 2011, 10:16:08 am »

Schneider is an interesting candidate. He used to be a pretty good defensive catcher, and I assume he still is. Haven't paid much attention to him the last few years though.

Reuben · « **Reply #68 on:** March 07, 2011, 09:03:08 am »

Wade (and McLane) say they are willing to stretch the payroll a bit if they need to for a catcher, but they'll take a wait-and-see approach for now. In other words, they don't want Towles to start thinking he's got it made.
link

JimR · « **Reply #69 on:** March 07, 2011, 09:58:05 am »

Quote from: Reuben on March 07, 2011, 09:03:08 am

Wade (and McLane) say they are willing to stretch the payroll a bit if they need to for a catcher, but they'll take a wait-and-see approach for now. In other words, they don't want Towles to start thinking he's got it made.
link

are they going to make me hire a hit man?

Ebby Calvin · « **Reply #70 on:** March 07, 2011, 09:58:45 am »

Quote from: JimR on March 07, 2011, 09:58:05 am

are they going to make me hire a hit man?

Mark won't do it for free?

BudGirl · « **Reply #71 on:** March 07, 2011, 10:13:40 am »

Quote from: JimR on March 07, 2011, 09:58:05 am

are they going to make me hire a hit man?

Are you saying offense is more important than defense in a catcher?

JimR · « **Reply #72 on:** March 07, 2011, 10:14:02 am »

Quote from: Ebby Calvin on March 07, 2011, 09:58:45 am

Mark won't do it for free?

great idea. i think he will.

MusicMan · « **Reply #73 on:** March 07, 2011, 10:18:29 am »

Quote from: JimR on March 07, 2011, 10:14:02 am

great idea. i think he will.

He's a good boy.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #74 on:** March 07, 2011, 11:01:12 am »

The competition for FA catching just stiffened: Gregg Zaun announced his retirement today.

astrosfan76 · « **Reply #75 on:** March 07, 2011, 01:52:52 pm »

Club's taking a look at Jesus Flores.

Quote

In need of a catcher, the Astros are looking at Jesus Flores as a possible replacement for Jason Castro -- who is out for the season because of a knee injury -- according to a baseball source.

However, Houston is concerned about Flores' right shoulder, which has kept him off the diamond for almost two years. Flores is healthy now, but has yet to be challenged in terms of trying to throw out runners this spring.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110307&content_id=16850510&notebook_id=16850864&vkey=notebook_was&c_id=was

MusicMan · « **Reply #76 on:** March 07, 2011, 01:56:41 pm »

Quote from: astrosfan76 on March 07, 2011, 01:52:52 pm

Club's taking a look at Jesus Flores.

Ah, Jesus. I like him very much. But he no help with curveball.

Ty in Tampa · « **Reply #77 on:** March 07, 2011, 01:58:21 pm »

Nobody fucks with the Jesus.

S.P. Rodriguez · « **Reply #78 on:** March 07, 2011, 02:30:52 pm »

This is probably just morbid curiosity, but are there any other catchers to come back from an ACL tear and remain at catcher?

ETA:

Question is based on this quote:

Quote

"The recovery for ACL and meniscus is about six months plus conditioning," general manager Ed Wade said. "There's going to be things as a catcher he's not going to be able to do. We're looking at sometime in September before he'll be back playing."

It's taken out of context, so I'm just trying to make sense out of it. Is Castro done as a catcher (because that's how Wade's statement reads)?

Ron Brand · « **Reply #79 on:** March 07, 2011, 03:45:05 pm »

Quote from: S.P. Rodriguez on March 07, 2011, 02:30:52 pm

This is probably just morbid curiosity, but are there any other catchers to come back from an ACL tear and remain at catcher?

I wondered the same thing and I snooped around a little bit, just enough to see that yes, it has happened and isn't unheard of. I remember there was a big name catcher who did it, but damned if I can remember who right now.

S.P. Rodriguez · « **Reply #80 on:** March 07, 2011, 03:51:06 pm »

Quote from: Ron Brand on March 07, 2011, 03:45:05 pm

I wondered the same thing and I snooped around a little bit, just enough to see that yes, it has happened and isn't unheard of. I remember there was a big name catcher who did it, but damned if I can remember who right now.

Me too. The only one I found was Dan Wilson, who tore his ACL before his last "retirement" year. He never played afterward, but never planned to play beyond the year of the injury to begin with. I didn't consider that a good measuring stick.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #81 on:** March 07, 2011, 04:02:41 pm »

Actually I think I looked up the meniscus tear, which seemed to be the more difficult as far as constant flexing of the knees is concerned.

Reuben · « **Reply #82 on:** March 07, 2011, 05:19:57 pm »

Quote from: S.P. Rodriguez on March 07, 2011, 02:30:52 pm

This is probably just morbid curiosity, but are there any other catchers to come back from an ACL tear and remain at catcher?

ETA:

Question is based on this quote:
It's taken out of context, so I'm just trying to make sense out of it. Is Castro done as a catcher (because that's how Wade's statement reads)?

I read that to mean that Wade was referring to the "...plus conditioning" part of Castro's return timetable. In other words "there's going to be things as a catcher he's not going to be able to do right away, until he's properly conditioned." Either way, yeah, it probably is especially sucky for a catcher to try to come back from. And he probably won't be as fast as he was before (good thing he's not a promising young CF/leadoff type).

Ron Brand · « **Reply #83 on:** March 07, 2011, 06:08:55 pm »

So, Urckfitz, Aneury Rodriguez, Koby Clemens and a 1957 Topps Stan Musial for Derek Norris and a '66 Mantle?

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #84 on:** March 07, 2011, 07:07:02 pm »

Just read a tweet from a Padres source who said that Bengie Molina is retired.

MusicMan · « **Reply #85 on:** March 07, 2011, 08:04:44 pm »

Quote from: Ron Brand on March 07, 2011, 06:08:55 pm

So, Urckfitz, Aneury Rodriguez, Koby Clemens

I don't know, but you just won your game of Scrabble.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #86 on:** March 07, 2011, 08:27:47 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on March 07, 2011, 07:07:02 pm

Just read a tweet from a Padres source who said that Bengie Molina is retired.

Now I see a tweet from a writer who spoke to Molina today. He wrote that Molina is not retired, but he won't play without a guaranteed deal at a respectable salary.

Reuben · « **Reply #87 on:** March 07, 2011, 10:52:14 pm »

Quote from: Ron Brand on March 07, 2011, 06:08:55 pm

So, Urckfitz, Aneury Rodriguez, Koby Clemens and a 1957 Topps Stan Musial for Derek Norris and a '66 Mantle?

I don't know much about Flores or Norris, just that Flores had the bad shoulder problem and Norris is younger and a "prospect". Any insight?

Ron Brand · « **Reply #88 on:** March 07, 2011, 11:43:15 pm »

All I know is what the article said, he's got a major league bat but he's still learning the position. Sounds good to me.

MusicMan · « **Reply #89 on:** March 08, 2011, 10:03:00 am »

Quote from: Reuben on March 07, 2011, 10:52:14 pm

I don't know much about Flores or Norris, just that Flores had the bad shoulder problem and Norris is younger and a "prospect". Any insight?

Norris will never be a great defensive catcher, but he's got a very good bat.

jaklewein · « **Reply #90 on:** March 08, 2011, 10:13:49 am »

Quote from: Ron Brand on March 07, 2011, 03:45:05 pm

I wondered the same thing and I snooped around a little bit, just enough to see that yes, it has happened and isn't unheard of. I remember there was a big name catcher who did it, but damned if I can remember who right now.

I think the youngster for CLE (Santana?) blew out his knee towards the end of last season. I don't know if it was the ACL or what but it would be interesting to see where he's at in his recovery.

astrosfan76 · « **Reply #91 on:** March 08, 2011, 11:10:09 am »

Quote from: jaklewein on March 08, 2011, 10:13:49 am

I think the youngster for CLE (Santana?) blew out his knee towards the end of last season. I don't know if it was the ACL or what but it would be interesting to see where he's at in his recovery.

His was a blown-out LCL, which is on the side of the knee. He's cleared and playing in Spring Training games. He's going to play some 1B this season, but that's to keep his bat in the lineup and to avoid putting too much stress on his knee. He wasn't much of a defensive catcher, though and his injury wasn't as serious, so I don't know how Castro's abilities post-surgery will compare to Santana's.

MusicMan · « **Reply #92 on:** March 08, 2011, 11:14:41 am »

Quote from: astrosfan76 on March 08, 2011, 11:10:09 am

his injury wasn't as serious, so I don't know how Castro's abilities post-surgery will compare to Santana's.

Which is hard to believe, because at the time, his knee went completely backwards. I was worried he'd never play again.

astrosfan76 · « **Reply #93 on:** March 08, 2011, 02:44:37 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on March 08, 2011, 11:14:41 am

Which is hard to believe, because at the time, his knee went completely backwards. I was worried he'd never play again.

and Castro was walking around after his injury. Santana's was much more violent, but "fortunately" he didn't blow out his ACL.

JimR · « **Reply #94 on:** March 08, 2011, 02:48:50 pm »

Quote from: astrosfan76 on March 08, 2011, 02:44:37 pm

and Castro was walking around after his injury. Santana's was much more violent, but "fortunately" he didn't blow out his ACL.

Matt B. completely severed his ACL his senior year in HS when he caught his spikes on the plate covering home. he got right back up and threw several more pitches before his knee gave out on him. i was not coaching them then, but he told me he was sure he was not hurt bad because there was no pain whatsoever.

astrosfan76 · « **Reply #95 on:** March 11, 2011, 08:18:12 am »

Quote from: JimR on March 08, 2011, 02:48:50 pm

Matt B. completely severed his ACL his senior year in HS when he caught his spikes on the plate covering home. he got right back up and threw several more pitches before his knee gave out on him. i was not coaching them then, but he told me he was sure he was not hurt bad because there was no pain whatsoever.

I wonder how much of a role adrenaline plays in cases like this. I mean, are there really no signals being sent that say "ouch", or are they just covered by adrenaline? In 8th grade, I saw two guys collide, with one outweighing the other by at least 100 pounds. The larger kid stepped on the smaller's forearm, breaking the radius and ulna to the point that his arm looked like a U. He got up laughing and it wasn't until he looked down at his arm that he realized that something was off.

astrosfan76 · « **Reply #96 on:** March 11, 2011, 08:27:42 am »

Astros interest in Flores is waning:

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It was reported recently that the Astros are looking at Nationals catcher Jesus Flores. However, Houston appears to be cooling on the possibility of acquiring his services, according to a baseball source.

The Astros believe Flores, who missed almost two years after a foul ball hit by D-backs outfielder Chris Young hit him on the right shoulder, still has weakness in his throwing shoulder.

No need trading for damaged goods, at this point.

In other news, the article mentions that we "may have interest" in Laynce Nix as a left-handed OF for the bench. That would take care of a power bat.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110310&content_id=16892650&notebook_id=16892654&vkey=notebook_was&c_id=was&partnerId=rss_was#

austro · « **Reply #97 on:** March 11, 2011, 09:32:03 am »

Quote from: astrosfan76 on March 11, 2011, 08:27:42 am

In other news, the article mentions that we "may have interest" in Laynce Nix as a left-handed OF for the bench. That would take care of a power bat.

This presents an interesting hypothetical: would Fredia scramble the spelling of his name even further, or would it be like a fastball down the middle for her?

MRaup · « **Reply #98 on:** March 11, 2011, 11:36:49 am »

Quote from: astrosfan76 on March 11, 2011, 08:27:42 am

Astros interest in Flores is waning:

No need trading for damaged goods, at this point.

In other news, the article mentions that we "may have interest" in Laynce Nix as a left-handed OF for the bench. That would take care of a power bat.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110310&content_id=16892650&notebook_id=16892654&vkey=notebook_was&c_id=was&partnerId=rss_was#

Please God no. I fucking HATE LaYnce Nix.