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Manny Ramirez to the Marlins?
« on: July 31, 2008, 09:33:24 am »
MLB.com is reporting that Manny Ramirez might be traded to the Marlins for the stretch run.  The Red Sox would play Manny's salary.  I can't believe the Red Sox would let go of Manny, after they've coddled him and let him run his mouth for this long.
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Re: Manny Ramirez to the Marlins?
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2008, 11:11:27 am »
Quote from: Gizzmonic on July 31, 2008, 09:33:24 am
MLB.com is reporting that Manny Ramirez might be traded to the Marlins for the stretch run.  The Red Sox would play Manny's salary.  I can't believe the Red Sox would let go of Manny, after they've coddled him and let him run his mouth for this long.

The deal reported this morning on ESPN radio is this:

Pittsburgh - Florida - BoSox in a three way (NTTAWWT)

Pittsburgh gets Jeremy Hermida (sp?)
Boston gets Jason Bay
Florida gets (Grabow from Pittsburgh and Manny from Boston).

Now, why in the world would Florida want two veterans in Grabow and Manny?  For yet another stretch run at the playoff and possibly run through the NLDS and possibly NLCS and possibly World Series and possibly win it all yet again?  Yes.  Very much so.

And then they'll fire sale in the offseason and start all over again.  It is the Florida Marlin way!
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Re: Manny Ramirez to the Marlins?
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2008, 11:42:24 am »
Quote from: Noe in Austin on July 31, 2008, 11:11:27 am
The deal reported this morning on ESPN radio is this:

Pittsburgh - Florida - BoSox in a three way (NTTAWWT)

Pittsburgh gets Jeremy Hermida (sp?)
Boston gets Jason Bay
Florida gets (Grabow from Pittsburgh and Manny from Boston).

Now, why in the world would Florida want two veterans in Grabow and Manny?  For yet another stretch run at the playoff and possibly run through the NLDS and possibly NLCS and possibly World Series and possibly win it all yet again?  Yes.  Very much so.

And then they'll fire sale in the offseason and start all over again.  It is the Florida Marlin way!

Given their situation, it's hard to argue with the results.
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Re: Manny Ramirez to the Marlins?
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2008, 11:43:40 am »
Quote from: Noe in Austin on July 31, 2008, 11:11:27 am
The deal reported this morning on ESPN radio is this:

Pittsburgh - Florida - BoSox in a three way (NTTAWWT)

Pittsburgh gets Jeremy Hermida (sp?)
Boston gets Jason Bay
Florida gets (Grabow from Pittsburgh and Manny from Boston).

Now, why in the world would Florida want two veterans in Grabow and Manny?  For yet another stretch run at the playoff and possibly run through the NLDS and possibly NLCS and possibly World Series and possibly win it all yet again?  Yes.  Very much so.

And then they'll fire sale in the offseason and start all over again.  It is the Florida Marlin way!
Why is Pittsburgh so intent on trading Bay?  As Teddy KGB would say, just pay the man his money.
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Re: Manny Ramirez to the Marlins?
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2008, 11:45:25 am »
Marlins are saying there's no deal done.  Doesn't mean there won't be one.  Everyone seems to be saying that Manny's going to be Manny somewhere other than Boston, but the "somewhere" is TBNL.
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Re: Manny Ramirez to the Marlins?
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2008, 12:45:31 pm »
Quote from: Limey on July 31, 2008, 11:45:25 am
Marlins are saying there's no deal done.  Doesn't mean there won't be one.  Everyone seems to be saying that Manny's going to be Manny somewhere other than Boston, but the "somewhere" is TBNL.

Not the first time Manny's been involved in trade rumors.  Will he continue to fake injuries and pull himself out of games if they don't trade him?  God, what an idiot.  I'm so glad the Astros don't have him.
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Re: Manny Ramirez to the Marlins?
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2008, 02:54:56 pm »
Quote from: Gizzmonic on July 31, 2008, 12:45:31 pm
Not the first time Manny's been involved in trade rumors.  Will he continue to fake injuries and pull himself out of games if they don't trade him?  God, what an idiot.  I'm so glad the Astros don't have him.

Last night, he went off on the Red Sox, then climbed up and nailed himself onto the same cross on which they crucified Brett Faavruh.

He's like a superhero for douchebags.
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Re: Manny Ramirez to the Marlins?
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2008, 03:30:24 pm »
To the Dodgers, is what they're saying now.
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Re: Manny Ramirez to the Marlins?
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2008, 03:32:12 pm »
And Bay to the Sox. Looks interesting.
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Re: Manny Ramirez to the Marlins?
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2008, 03:45:13 pm »
Pirates haul in Andy LaRoche, Bryan Morris, Damien Moss and Craig Hansen.
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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2008, 03:45:22 pm »
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Re: Manny Ramirez to the Marlins?
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2008, 03:54:09 pm »
Quote from: MusicMan on July 31, 2008, 03:45:22 pm
Manny to Dodgers, Bay to Sox, 4 minor leaguers to Pirates?

3 of those 4 minor leaguers have been in the majors.  The Pirates got a major league ready 3b, of, reliever, and a low-A starting pitcher who, by the way, was drafted a few spots after Max Sapp in 2006 and is doing pretty well.
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Re: Manny Ramirez to the Marlins?
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2008, 03:56:06 pm »
Quote from: Bench on July 31, 2008, 03:45:13 pm
Pirates haul in Andy LaRoche, Bryan Morris, Damien Moss and Craig Hansen.

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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2008, 03:58:32 pm »
Quote from: Jacksonian on July 31, 2008, 03:54:09 pm
3 of those 4 minor leaguers have been in the majors.  The Pirates got a major league ready 3b, of, reliever, and a low-A starting pitcher who, by the way, was drafted a few spots after Max Sapp in 2006 and is doing pretty well.

That is a lot for the Dodgers to give up for two months of Manny. Wow. Must be nice to have a stacked system.
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Re: Manny Ramirez to the Marlins?
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2008, 04:01:59 pm »
Quote from: Bench on July 31, 2008, 03:58:32 pm
That is a lot for the Dodgers to give up for two months of Manny. Wow. Must be nice to have a stacked system.

The Dodgers only gave up the first two; the other two were Red Sox.
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« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2008, 04:06:14 pm »
Quote from: BUWebguy on July 31, 2008, 04:01:59 pm
The Dodgers only gave up the first two; the other two were Red Sox.

Right.  The Pirates got all 4 for Bay.  The Dodgers only lost LaRoche and the low-A pitcher.

Oh and it's Brandon Moss not Damien Moss.
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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2008, 04:07:51 pm »
Quote from: Jacksonian on July 31, 2008, 04:06:14 pm
Right.  The Pirates got all 4 for Bay.  The Dodgers only lost LaRoche and the low-A pitcher.

Oh and it's Brandon Moss not Damien Moss.

Ah, right. You people and your reading comprehension skills.

So LaRoche, a guy they had no room (or inclination) to give a starting job to, a low-A pitcher and the Red Sox are on the hook to pay Manny's salary. Pretty shrewd indeed.
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Re: Manny Ramirez to the Marlins?
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2008, 04:17:41 pm »
Was Bay almost a free agent?  From the Pirate's perspective, it could turn out to be a lot of nothing for Bay.
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« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2008, 04:20:47 pm »
After next season. And setting aside that any package of prospects could bust, this seems like a pretty fair return.
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« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2008, 04:21:31 pm »
Quote from: jbm on July 31, 2008, 04:17:41 pm
Was Bay almost a free agent?  From the Pirate's perspective, it could turn out to be a lot of nothing for Bay.

Bay's a FA after the 09 season.  They gave up ~1 1/2 years of Bay for 4 inexperienced players.

The Red Sox gave up Manny and 2 inexperienced players for Bay *and money for Manny's salary.

The Dodgers gave up 2 inexperienced players for ~1/2 a season of Manny.

*Because Budgirl is so damn picky.
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Re: Manny Ramirez to the Marlins?
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2008, 04:22:13 pm »
Wow, the plot thickens.

The deadline deals page on MSNBC brings back some good memories, too...
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« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2008, 04:40:55 pm »
Quote from: muircheartaigh on July 31, 2008, 04:20:47 pm
After next season. And setting aside that any package of prospects could bust, this seems like a pretty fair return.

Yea, it might turn out good, but if I am giving away a somewhat high level guy, which Bay is imo, I would at least like a higher upside to go with my uncertainty.  Both Moss and LaRoche could be solid, but they seem like guys whose development stalled a bit as they reached the higher levels. 
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« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2008, 04:47:55 pm »
Quote from: jbm on July 31, 2008, 04:40:55 pm
Yea, it might turn out good, but if I am giving away a somewhat high level guy, which Bay is imo, I would at least like a higher upside to go with my uncertainty.  Both Moss and LaRoche could be solid, but they seem like guys whose development stalled a bit as they reached the higher levels. 

quick, call the Pirates! they need to know this!
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« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2008, 04:56:13 pm »
Quote from: Jacksonian on July 31, 2008, 04:21:31 pm
Bay's a FA after the 09 season.  They gave up ~1 1/2 years of Bay for 4 inexperienced players.

The Red Sox gave up Manny and 2 inexperienced players for Bay.

The Dodgers gave up 2 inexperienced players for ~1/2 a season of Manny.

You did not mention that the Red Sox also gave up $$$$ for Manny, or is that incorrect?
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« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2008, 04:59:05 pm »
Quote from: BudGirl on July 31, 2008, 04:56:13 pm
You did not mention that the Red Sox also gave up $$$$ for Manny, or is that incorrect?

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« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2008, 05:00:26 pm »
Quote from: JimR on July 31, 2008, 04:47:55 pm
quick, call the Pirates! they need to know this!

Well, they do seem like they just keep churning their roster just enough to stay in the cellar.  They finally have a lineup that can score well and they start to dismantle.
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« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2008, 05:12:25 pm »
thank christ bay is out of the central
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« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2008, 05:17:59 pm »
Quote from: jbm on July 31, 2008, 05:00:26 pm
Well, they do seem like they just keep churning their roster just enough to stay in the cellar.  They finally have a lineup that can score well and they start to dismantle.

Well, if more than 120 people showed up for a game every once and awhile, I'm guessing they'd be able to keep Bay and others around.
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« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2008, 05:19:13 pm »
Quote from: jbm on July 31, 2008, 05:00:26 pm
Well, they do seem like they just keep churning their roster just enough to stay in the cellar.  They finally have a lineup that can score well and they start to dismantle.


Just a couple of years ago the Pirates pitching was actually quite good. It's gone south while the offense has come together. Young teams are very unpredictable.
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« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2008, 05:25:00 pm »
Quote from: Noe in Austin on July 31, 2008, 05:17:59 pm
Well, if more than 120 people showed up for a game every once and awhile, I'm guessing they'd be able to keep Bay and others around.

It is a chicken-egg thing.  It is not hard to argue that they have no committment to ever build and maintain a good team and the fans respond in kind.  Shit, most teams keep the good guys to build around them, not dump them for a bunch of question marks.  Is McLouth next? 
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« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2008, 05:55:30 pm »
Quote from: Noe in Austin on July 31, 2008, 05:17:59 pm
Well, if more than 120 people showed up for a game every once and awhile, I'm guessing they'd be able to keep Bay and others around.

Hey, the Pirates will sometimes pay to keep young talent, just ask Cam. What about the big contracts for Pat Meares and Kevin Young?
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« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2008, 06:59:57 pm »
Quote from: jbm on July 31, 2008, 05:25:00 pm
It is a chicken-egg thing.  It is not hard to argue that they have no committment to ever build and maintain a good team and the fans respond in kind.  Shit, most teams keep the good guys to build around them, not dump them for a bunch of question marks.  Is McLouth next? 

Was the new stadium in Pittsburgh built with the intention to have the player's family be the only ones to show up?
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« Reply #32 on: August 01, 2008, 08:36:05 am »
I can't wait to see how Manny and Kent get along.
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« Reply #33 on: August 01, 2008, 09:15:06 am »
Quote from: billemite on August 01, 2008, 08:36:05 am
I can't wait to see how Manny and Kent get along.

“I think people for some reason think he’s lazy and a bad teammate and that he doesn’t care,” Lowe said.

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« Reply #34 on: August 01, 2008, 09:23:55 am »
"I think people for some reason think the earth is round," Lowe said.

(Carl Everett could not be reached to respond.)
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