Author Topic: The Dark Knight - Spoilers! (Read 12204 times)

Gizzmonic · « **on:** July 21, 2008, 01:01:27 pm »

Did anyone go and see the Dark Knight this weekend?

Here's my opinion: this is one of the finest superhero movies yet. It's completely taut and well-executed, except for the ending which is completely illogical. Heath Ledger has a unique take on the Joker. Whether you like it or hate it, you have to admire the performance. Personally, I loved it (and as a comics fan, I was fully expecting to hate it). It's quite different from Nicholson or any version you'll find in the comics. My psychiatrist friend explained to me that the sucking noise that the Joker makes when talking is a sign of someone who has been on anti-psychotic drugs for a long time. Just a little detail, but perhaps emblematic of the work Ledger put in to make the role so memorable.

Also, this film is absolutely not for children. It will give them nightmares. I have no idea why this movie wasn't rated "R," as it's full of sadistic violence. Best summer movie I've seen so far, waaay better than Indiana Jones, Prince Caspian, or Wall-E.

MusicMan · « **Reply #1 on:** July 21, 2008, 01:08:49 pm »

Not one of. THE finest superhero movie, hands down.

Completely agreed on "fit for children" - I have no idea who Warner Bros. bribed to get that PG-13, but I can't imagine taking a child to see it. Not just the makeup or effects - the entire story was too dark for a child.

To me, the most striking part was Harvey Dent's story. It takes a superb storyteller to create tragedy when you know the outcome in advance - and Nolan and Eckhardt combined to do exactly that. I was amazed at how crushing Dent's invebitable turn felt.

MRaup · « **Reply #2 on:** July 21, 2008, 01:22:22 pm »

Saw it last night when I got back to Austin.

I was expecting it to be awesome, and was still completely blown away. I'm planning on seeing it again tonight.

Heath Ledger was terrifying.

MusicMan · « **Reply #3 on:** July 21, 2008, 01:23:42 pm »

Quote from: MRaup on July 21, 2008, 01:22:22 pm

Heath Ledger was terrifying.

The Nolans will never get enough credit for this - but the decision to move the Joker from "acid changes him into a crazy guy" to "some people just want to watch the world burn" is a big part of what makes him so terrifying.

subnuclear · « **Reply #4 on:** July 21, 2008, 01:29:44 pm »

I thought it was good, but not the best. I think it was a little dry and Batman has such a boring personality. "The Dark Knight Returns" made Batman interesting by giving him a sadistic sense of humor. I think Gary Oldman's Gordon was my favorite character and Maggie Gyllenhall my least favorite. But overall, I preferred Hellboy II and Iron Man.

On the other hand, they showed a trailer for "The Watchmen" and I want a ticket now goddamit.

Trey · « **Reply #5 on:** July 21, 2008, 01:31:31 pm »

Quote from: Gizzmonic on July 21, 2008, 01:01:27 pm

except for the ending which is completely illogical.

SPOILERS FREAKING COMING, SO QUIT READING IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE IT

I read another review where the author didn't like the ending. I thought the ending was great. I have no idea how they (Nolan/ future screenwriters)'re going to dig themselves out of the hole they've basically put Batman in, but I thought it was great.

Also, let me second or fourth or eighth or whatever number we're on the fact that Ledger was absolutely badass. God, he was a creepy, creepy motherfucker.

Gizzmonic · « **Reply #6 on:** July 21, 2008, 01:34:07 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 21, 2008, 01:08:49 pm

Not one of. THE finest superhero movie, hands down.

Completely agreed on "fit for children" - I have no idea who Warner Bros. bribed to get that PG-13, but I can't imagine taking a child to see it. Not just the makeup or effects - the entire story was too dark for a child.

To me, the most striking part was Harvey Dent's story. It takes a superb storyteller to create tragedy when you know the outcome in advance - and Nolan and Eckhardt combined to do exactly that. I was amazed at how crushing Dent's invebitable turn felt.

Although I loved this movie, I still think "The Incredibles" is the best superhero movie. I'm not sure, but I probably like the first Spider-Man movie just a tad better as well. We'll see how The Dark Knight grows on me, I will definitely see it again.

Harvey Dent's story was great too. Perhaps it could have done with a little more foreshadowing, but it was still great. The only thing I didn't like is that they killed him (?). Batman matching wits with Two-Face would be a great third movie. I'm not sure who Batman will face off with in the inevitable sequel. Catwoman isn't sinister enough, Penguin isn't psychotic (at least, not in the comics, he's more of a mob boss/criminal mastermind) and the Riddler is too goofy. Those are the only Batman villains non-comic fans would recognize.

Personally, I think Cornelius Stirk would be a good fit for the bleak world that Nolan has created. Stirk is a cannibal hypnotist that eats the hearts of his victims. Of course, there's no way that could get a PG-13.

MRaup · « **Reply #7 on:** July 21, 2008, 01:34:28 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 21, 2008, 01:23:42 pm

The Nolans will never get enough credit for this - but the decision to move the Joker from "acid changes him into a crazy guy" to "some people just want to watch the world burn" is a big part of what makes him so terrifying.

Yeah. Just him talking about what he wants and how he thinks gave me chills.

If I hadn't known it was Heath Ledger going in to the thing, I never would've believed it was afterwords.

MusicMan · « **Reply #8 on:** July 21, 2008, 01:36:03 pm »

I wouldn't worry too much about "non-comic fans". Nolan started his reboot with Ra's Al Goul.

Andyzipp · « **Reply #9 on:** July 21, 2008, 01:56:48 pm »

Harvey Dent (who went from Billy Dee Williams to Tommy Lee Jones to Aaron Eckhart) is not necessarily dead.

No body was buried.

MusicMan · « **Reply #10 on:** July 21, 2008, 02:27:03 pm »

Neither is the Joker, but it would take some big hairy cojones to recast that role.

Gizzmonic · « **Reply #11 on:** July 21, 2008, 02:31:18 pm »

Quote from: Andyzipp on July 21, 2008, 01:56:48 pm

Harvey Dent (who went from Billy Dee Williams to Tommy Lee Jones to Aaron Eckhart) is not necessarily dead.

No body was buried.

There's the problem. If he's not dead, why cover up for him? And why destroy Batman's reputation as a symbol of hope to do it? It's not like he's fit to be in office.

And the Joker won't be back. They wouldn't recast the role. Plus, what more can the Joker do?

MusicMan · « **Reply #12 on:** July 21, 2008, 02:37:28 pm »

Quote from: Gizzmonic on July 21, 2008, 02:31:18 pm

There's the problem. If he's not dead, why cover up for him? And why destroy Batman's reputation as a symbol of hope to do it? It's not like he's fit to be in office.

I think their argument is that Harvey Dent, DA, is dead; even if he survived (which was certainly not implied), all that's left is Two-Face.

And frankly, I've never found Two-Face to be an interesting character, and I'd be surprised if Nolan brought him back.

MRaup · « **Reply #13 on:** July 21, 2008, 02:39:46 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 21, 2008, 02:37:28 pm

I think their argument is that Harvey Dent, DA, is dead; even if he survived (which was certainly not implied), all that's left is Two-Face.

And frankly, I've never found Two-Face to be an interesting character, and I'd be surprised if Nolan brought him back.

Both of the movies so far have had 2 bad guys.

Scarecrow and The League of Shadows.

Joker and Two Face.

Two Face and ?? for the next movie?

MusicMan · « **Reply #14 on:** July 21, 2008, 02:43:28 pm »

I know that Bale has said he'd be up for 3, but I think it takes a sick amount of $$$, and a long time to generate the ideas, for Nolan to return.

drew corleone · « **Reply #15 on:** July 21, 2008, 02:50:34 pm »

I was waiting for this thread.

The only thing I didn't like about this film is that any sequel will be very hard-pressed to live up to its greatness.

Nine months ago I thought there was no way Patrick Verona/Sir Ullrich von Lichtenstein/Campy Gay cowboy could transform himself into a sadistic, murderous anarchist, and I wasn't alone. But we were all very, very wrong.

Out-freaking-standing.

MRaup · « **Reply #16 on:** July 21, 2008, 02:51:17 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 21, 2008, 02:43:28 pm

I know that Bale has said he'd be up for 3, but I think it takes a sick amount of $$$, and a long time to generate the ideas, for Nolan to return.

The way this thing is blowing the doors off box office records, there is NO way they don't make a 3rd one, unless something bigtime falls through.

MusicMan · « **Reply #17 on:** July 21, 2008, 02:55:11 pm »

Quote from: MRaup on July 21, 2008, 02:51:17 pm

The way this thing is blowing the doors off box office records, there is NO way they don't make a 3rd one, unless something bigtime falls through.

That's my fear. I've never seen a C. Nolan movie that I didn't thoroughly enjoy, but I would be completely ready for disappointment with Batman 3.

MRaup · « **Reply #18 on:** July 21, 2008, 03:04:35 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 21, 2008, 02:55:11 pm

That's my fear. I've never seen a C. Nolan movie that I didn't thoroughly enjoy, but I would be completely ready for disappointment with Batman 3.

Then again, I was completely ready for disapointment with Batman 2...

Gizzmonic · « **Reply #19 on:** July 21, 2008, 03:12:46 pm »

I think they'd have to adjust the scale of the movie, no more global threats. Maybe a business rival for Wayne that doubles as a rival for Batman? Or a simpler detective story with Batman tracking down a serial killer? You can't really top blowing up a hospital. But...doing less will probably seem like a letdown no matter what.

ybbodeus · « **Reply #20 on:** July 21, 2008, 03:17:59 pm »

Quote from: Gizzmonic on July 21, 2008, 03:12:46 pm

You can't really top blowing up a hospital.....

You could blow up the ________. {EDIT: Fill in the blank with Cubs, steM, Bravos, Lakers, Patriots, whomever}

I was gonna say blow up the Astros, but that's been beat to death here already and ain't happenin'.

GreatBagwellsBeard · « **Reply #21 on:** July 21, 2008, 05:27:54 pm »

I knew that Ledger had done something very special when I walked into a meeting this morning and asked one of my co-workers if she'd like to see me make a pencil disappear and she shivered.

moriartp · « **Reply #22 on:** July 21, 2008, 07:00:09 pm »

Rather than writing some long spiel on how The Dark Knight Returns should be the mold for the next movie (it wouldn't translate in anything resembling its original form), I'll just say that if I had my way, this movie would be it. Story, acting, characters, pacing, intensity... all too good to top. Especially with Heath Ledger gone (anyone find the "Keith Ledger" joke as funny as I do?). And this ending was the perfect way to leave things, in my opinion.

And this bit from the midnight screening I attended: as the trailer for The Spirit was ending, after all the mm-mm-good Sam Jackson-ness, someone in the audience let out a perfectly timed "...tasty burger!!!" just as the audio cut out. It's had me in stitches since.

drew corleone · « **Reply #23 on:** July 21, 2008, 08:16:27 pm »

Quote from: muircheartaigh on July 21, 2008, 07:00:09 pm

Rather than writing some long spiel on how The Dark Knight Returns should be the mold for the next movie (it wouldn't translate in anything resembling its original form), I'll just say that if I had my way, this movie would be it. Story, acting, characters, pacing, intensity... all too good to top.

I agree, to an extent. But it's going to make far too much $$$ for then *not* to make another one, and as long as Nolan is attached I couldn't imagine it being bad, even if it's nowhere as good.

Bench · « **Reply #24 on:** July 22, 2008, 01:17:41 pm »

Quote from: ybbodeus on July 22, 2008, 09:15:13 am

Wasn't Ledger taking some pretty significant medication himself? Anti-depressants at higher doseage? Maybe he wasn't necesarily acting. Admittedly, I haven't seen the movie; if it was some kind of quasi-Darth Vader breathing stunt, then never mind.

You've got to be kidding.

ybbodeus · « **Reply #25 on:** July 22, 2008, 01:31:36 pm »

Withdrawn. They were painkillers and sedatives, so I was certainly off base. Should have withdrawn it earlier.

TheWizard · « **Reply #26 on:** July 22, 2008, 10:33:57 pm »

I thought the movie was great. The only thing I feel is lacking is that they aren't developing the character of Batman very well. I understand its harder because they can't have thought bubbles and his feelings have to be expressed through conversations with others, but a few of the guys I watched with had the same sentiment. I'm being nitpicky about that though.. because otherwise it was a great movie with great drama.

Bench · « **Reply #27 on:** July 23, 2008, 01:11:20 am »

Quote from: TheWizard on July 22, 2008, 10:33:57 pm

I thought the movie was great. The only thing I feel is lacking is that they aren't developing the character of Batman very well. I understand its harder because they can't have thought bubbles and his feelings have to be expressed through conversations with others, but a few of the guys I watched with had the same sentiment. I'm being nitpicky about that though.. because otherwise it was a great movie with great drama.

I thought that Bruce Wayne was performed and written fabulously, but was generally bored by Batman in this movie (comparatively speaking, the rest of the movie was absolutely riveting and the Batman bits were just good).

Andyzipp · « **Reply #28 on:** July 23, 2008, 07:41:01 am »

Quote from: Bench on July 23, 2008, 01:11:20 am

I thought that Bruce Wayne was performed and written fabulously, but was generally bored by Batman in this movie (comparatively speaking, the rest of the movie was absolutely riveting and the Batman bits were just good).

Cesar Romero notwithstanding, The Joker is a more compelling character than Batman.

Gizzmonic · « **Reply #29 on:** July 23, 2008, 09:43:22 am »

Quote from: Andyzipp on July 23, 2008, 07:41:01 am

Cesar Romero notwithstanding, The Joker is a more compelling character than Batman.

Subnuclear is right though, Batman can be a lot more interesting. If you can stand to read a comic book, I highly recommend, "The Dark Knight Returns" Batman, which is written and illustrated by Frank Miller. Lots of great lines from Batman in that one

"It was a lot of work, carrying 250 pounds of anti-social punk to the highest point in Gotham. The scream alone is worth it."

"There are seven working defenses from this position. Three of them disarm with minimal contact. Three of them kill. The other one...CRUNCH! as he snaps some punk's leg...hurts."

Etc, etc.

Oh, and by the way, it looks like Bale allegedly went all Dark Knight on his family. Hope it isn't true.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #30 on:** July 23, 2008, 10:41:53 am »

Does Batman finally come out of the closet in this one?

MusicMan · « **Reply #31 on:** July 23, 2008, 10:43:46 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 23, 2008, 10:41:53 am

Does Batman finally come out of the closet in this one?

No, they've said that Robin will not appear.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #32 on:** July 23, 2008, 10:46:01 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 23, 2008, 10:43:46 am

No, they've said that Robin will not appear.

Well, it's the Joker that supposedly represents Batman's homophobic identity crisis. Robin is just his boy toy.

Andyzipp · « **Reply #33 on:** July 23, 2008, 01:15:04 pm »

Quote from: Gizzmonic on July 23, 2008, 09:43:22 am

Subnuclear is right though, Batman can be a lot more interesting. If you can stand to read a comic book, I highly recommend, "The Dark Knight Returns" Batman, which is written and illustrated by Frank Miller. Lots of great lines from Batman in that one

"It was a lot of work, carrying 250 pounds of anti-social punk to the highest point in Gotham. The scream alone is worth it."

"There are seven working defenses from this position. Three of them disarm with minimal contact. Three of them kill. The other one...CRUNCH! as he snaps some punk's leg...hurts."

Etc, etc.

Oh, and by the way, it looks like Bale allegedly went all Dark Knight on his family. Hope it isn't true.

I own a couple of first editions of that Graphic Novel. I'm aware that he can be written better. But in comparison to Ledger's Joker (or even Nicholson's) Batman is a more boring character.

Limey · « **Reply #34 on:** July 23, 2008, 02:34:18 pm »

Quote from: Andyzipp on July 23, 2008, 01:15:04 pm

I own a couple of first editions of that Graphic Novel. I'm aware that he can be written better. But in comparison to Ledger's Joker (or even Nicholson's) Batman is a more boring character.

Isn't this true of pretty-much all superheroes? And most non-super ones too?

TheWizard · « **Reply #35 on:** July 24, 2008, 01:17:01 am »

I just think they focus on developing Bruce Wayne more than on developing Batman, which may be the director's choice.

Limey · « **Reply #36 on:** July 24, 2008, 10:28:47 am »

How about developing your own SuperHero, to fight alongside any of the DC stable of SuperHeroes?

I'm going to make one that's exactly like me, except that he can fly.

Astroholic · « **Reply #37 on:** July 24, 2008, 10:33:36 am »

Quote from: Limey on July 24, 2008, 10:28:47 am

How about developing your own SuperHero, to fight alongside any of the DC stable of SuperHeroes?

I'm going to make one that's exactly like me, except that he can fly.

Theres a whole new world waiting for you. Yours should have a huge apple on its chest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_world

Jacksonian · « **Reply #38 on:** July 24, 2008, 10:35:29 am »

Quote from: Limey on July 24, 2008, 10:28:47 am

How about developing your own SuperHero, to fight alongside any of the DC stable of SuperHeroes?

I'm going to make one that's exactly like me, except that he can fly.

So... Karl Marx in a cape.

I kid. I kid.

Limey · « **Reply #39 on:** July 24, 2008, 10:39:05 am »

Quote from: Jacksonian on July 24, 2008, 10:35:29 am

So... Karl Marx in a cape.

I kid. I kid.

Criminals will live in fear. Fear shall be a name. And the name shall be one word.

Che

Limey · « **Reply #40 on:** July 24, 2008, 10:40:27 am »

Quote from: Astroholic on July 24, 2008, 10:33:36 am

Theres a whole new world waiting for you. Yours should have a huge apple on its chest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_world

There are no winners. There are no losers...

Gizzmonic · « **Reply #41 on:** July 24, 2008, 12:20:19 pm »

Quote from: Limey on July 24, 2008, 10:28:47 am

How about developing your own SuperHero, to fight alongside any of the DC stable of SuperHeroes?

I'm going to make one that's exactly like me, except that he can fly.

I saw that, I hope you can be a Green Lantern. Otherwise, what's the point?

And Limey, we still need to get together and burn down Liberty City.

Bench · « **Reply #42 on:** July 24, 2008, 01:20:54 pm »

Quote from: Limey on July 24, 2008, 10:40:27 am

There are no winners. There are no losers...

Oh, there are plenty of losers.

JimR · « **Reply #43 on:** July 24, 2008, 01:25:25 pm »

Quote from: Limey on July 24, 2008, 10:28:47 am

How about developing your own SuperHero, to fight alongside any of the DC stable of SuperHeroes?

I'm going to make one that's exactly like me, except that he can fly.

better have a supersonic takeoff speed and a loooong runway.

Limey · « **Reply #44 on:** July 24, 2008, 04:30:28 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 24, 2008, 01:25:25 pm

better have a supersonic takeoff speed and a loooong runway.

Oi!

Kent's Moustache · « **Reply #45 on:** July 26, 2008, 06:12:49 pm »

Quote from: Bench on July 23, 2008, 01:11:20 am

I thought that Bruce Wayne was performed and written fabulously, but was generally bored by Batman in this movie (comparatively speaking, the rest of the movie was absolutely riveting and the Batman bits were just good).

I know I'm probably supposed to appreciate each character independently of the other, but Bale's turn as Patrick Bateman in "American Psycho" enhances his performance as Bruce Wayne, IMO. I kept waiting for Batman to get angry and kill someone for having a better business card than he.

Andyzipp · « **Reply #46 on:** July 26, 2008, 08:20:44 pm »

Quote from: Kent's Moustache on July 26, 2008, 06:12:49 pm

I know I'm probably supposed to appreciate each character independently of the other, but Bale's turn as Patrick Bateman in "American Psycho" enhances his performance as Bruce Wayne, IMO. I kept waiting for Batman to get angry and kill someone for having a better business card than he.

Rachel, have you heard the new Huey Lewis and the News cassette?

ybbodeus · « **Reply #47 on:** July 26, 2008, 10:39:17 pm »

Or Susudio by Phill Collins?

Not a student of the comic book, but is the portfolio manager a candidate for the possible addition of Robin into the mix?

Limey · « **Reply #48 on:** July 27, 2008, 11:59:27 pm »

Quote from: Kent's Moustache on July 26, 2008, 06:12:49 pm

I know I'm probably supposed to appreciate each character independently of the other, but Bale's turn as Patrick Bateman in "American Psycho" enhances his performance as Bruce Wayne, IMO. I kept waiting for Batman to get angry and kill someone for having a better business card than he.

Bateman...Batman?

Also, Bale is famous for touching people's sky-cadillacs.

Taras Bulba · « **Reply #49 on:** July 28, 2008, 11:31:05 am »

Saw the movie Saturday. The Joker role was on the meaty side and Ledger ran with it. I'm curious if the same role had instead been given to Gary Oldman, how it would have turned out.

MRaup · « **Reply #50 on:** July 28, 2008, 11:32:26 am »

Quote from: Taras Bulba on July 28, 2008, 11:31:05 am

Saw the movie Saturday. The Joker role was on the meaty side and Ledger ran with it. I'm curious if the same role had instead been given to Gary Oldman, how it would have turned out.

The 2nd time I saw Dark Knight, I really noticed how awesome Gary Oldman was in it. Ledger completely eclipses everyone else, but Oldman played his part beautifully as well.

ybbodeus · « **Reply #51 on:** July 28, 2008, 11:41:35 am »

I can never watch Oldman in a movie without thinking of his portrayal of Sid Vicious.

Matt · « **Reply #52 on:** July 28, 2008, 12:40:26 pm »

Quote from: ybbodeus on July 26, 2008, 10:39:17 pm

Or Susudio by Phill Collins?

Not a student of the comic book, but is the portfolio manager a candidate for the possible addition of Robin into the mix?

Bale recently said he would be very against introducing Robin into the next movie. I agree, there is no place for the boy wonder in this version of Batman.

ybbodeus · « **Reply #53 on:** July 28, 2008, 12:45:06 pm »

I just can't help but think that the little portfolio manager will be coming back in some capacity, probably not as Robin as you ponit out, but perhaps as some kind of little underling for a bigger villain in a future movie.

MRaup · « **Reply #54 on:** July 28, 2008, 01:39:14 pm »

Quote from: ybbodeus on July 28, 2008, 12:45:06 pm

I just can't help but think that the little portfolio manager will be coming back in some capacity, probably not as Robin as you ponit out, but perhaps as some kind of little underling for a bigger villain in a future movie.

I dunno. He kind of owes Bruce Wayne a solid now, after the whole "trying to make the light" incident.

Matt · « **Reply #55 on:** July 28, 2008, 01:43:51 pm »

I think Nolan will steer clear of the more fantastic villains and isn't afraid to go a little obscure as he did in the first film. I doubt there will be a Catwoman or Penguin.

Ebby Calvin · « **Reply #56 on:** July 29, 2008, 07:42:43 am »

Quote from: Matt on July 28, 2008, 01:43:51 pm

I think Nolan will steer clear of the more fantastic villains and isn't afraid to go a little obscure as he did in the first film. I doubt there will be a Catwoman or Penguin.

Lord I hope not. Ditto on Robin's inclusion, although I agree the sniveling little dude will probably have a bigger role in a subsequent film. I'm almost certain (with no evidence to back this up, mind you) there will be a 3rd movie. You can't leave Batman as the hunted and not give some resolution.

Part that made me wince the most: when Batman drops the mobster (Maroney?) from the balcony and his ankles snap on the street below. Made me shudder.

Wonderful movie. I'll see it again. And again....

Matt · « **Reply #57 on:** July 29, 2008, 12:33:05 pm »

Quote from: Ebby Calvin on July 29, 2008, 07:42:43 am

Lord I hope not. Ditto on Robin's inclusion, although I agree the sniveling little dude will probably have a bigger role in a subsequent film. I'm almost certain (with no evidence to back this up, mind you) there will be a 3rd movie.

I think the evidence for a third one is in the box office returns for this one.

MusicMan · « **Reply #58 on:** July 29, 2008, 01:21:26 pm »

Quote from: Matt on July 29, 2008, 12:33:05 pm

I think the evidence for a third one is in the box office returns for this one.

Why, just b/c they're saying it might pass Titanic?

moriartp · « **Reply #59 on:** July 29, 2008, 01:49:38 pm »

Come to think of it, why didn't Titanic ever get a sequel?

MusicMan · « **Reply #60 on:** July 29, 2008, 01:54:40 pm »

Quote from: muircheartaigh on July 29, 2008, 01:49:38 pm

Come to think of it, why didn't Titanic ever get a sequel?

Haven't Kate Winslet's breasts appeared in other roles?

Gizzmonic · « **Reply #61 on:** July 29, 2008, 02:26:22 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 29, 2008, 01:54:40 pm

Haven't Kate Winslet's breasts appeared in other roles?

I got two words for ya:

Holy Smoke.

Watch it with your significant other and you might just experience the sex!