Author Topic: Pence (Read 9586 times)

HudsonHawk · « **on:** April 12, 2008, 07:01:00 pm »

OK, I'll be the one to say it. He needs a trip down to Round Rock. He's not in a slump, he's completely lost at the plate. I've always thought he was vunerable to good breaking stuff, but he's flailing wildly at everything thrown up there. He needs a serious lesson in the Ted Williams School of Swing at Pitches You Can Handle.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #1 on:** April 12, 2008, 07:06:37 pm »

I'd give him 9 more games. But you're not wrong.

JaneDoe · « **Reply #2 on:** April 12, 2008, 07:27:13 pm »

I certainly wouldn't have him batting leadoff. Can someone explain why this makes sense?

Fredia · « **Reply #3 on:** April 12, 2008, 08:07:05 pm »

you can see it on his face total disgust.

chuck · « **Reply #4 on:** April 12, 2008, 09:52:12 pm »

Quote from: JaneDoe on April 12, 2008, 07:27:13 pm

I certainly wouldn't have him batting leadoff. Can someone explain why this makes sense?

There was no one else in the lineup today that made any more sense at leadoff.

UpTooLate · « **Reply #5 on:** April 13, 2008, 07:23:58 am »

Quote from: Fredia on April 12, 2008, 08:07:05 pm

you can see it on his face total disgust.

Did it resemble the thumping of a bobblehead? Sorry, poor attempt at humor. I didn't see the game last night, but you got to feel bad for a guy that has his very own bobblehead night and the fans are talking about sending him to RR. Before you start flaming, I do realize the object of the game is to start the nine players that give you the best chance of winning, everything else be damned.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #6 on:** April 13, 2008, 10:06:01 am »

Quote from: UpTooLate on April 13, 2008, 07:23:58 am

Did it resemble the thumping of a bobblehead? Sorry, poor attempt at humor. I didn't see the game last night, but you got to feel bad for a guy that has his very own bobblehead night and the fans are talking about sending him to RR. Before you start flaming, I do realize the object of the game is to start the nine players that give you the best chance of winning, everything else be damned.

I think giving him his very own bobblehead night is consistent with the unrealistic expectations people are putting on Pence. He had a terrific season last year and deserves all the praise that accompanies that. But it's unfair to expect him to duplicate it this year. I read here and elsewhere this spring that we should just go ahead and pencil him in for hitting .320 with 30 homers. Those are totally unrealistic expectations. He has a long way to go yet before he is a consistent producer in the Major Leagues, let alone a HOFer.

TheWizard · « **Reply #7 on:** April 13, 2008, 11:53:57 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on April 13, 2008, 10:06:01 am

I think giving him his very own bobblehead night is consistent with the unrealistic expectations people are putting on Pence. He had a terrific season last year and deserves all the praise that accompanies that. But it's unfair to expect him to duplicate it this year. I read here and elsewhere this spring that we should just go ahead and pencil him in for hitting .320 with 30 homers. Those are totally unrealistic expectations. He has a long way to go yet before he is a consistent producer in the Major Leagues, let alone a HOFer.

I've noticed lately he has been stripped of his !!s around here.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #8 on:** April 13, 2008, 11:55:55 am »

Bourn's not exactly setting the world afire offensively either. Will we see an OF of Lee, Erstad and Cruz?

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #9 on:** April 13, 2008, 11:59:18 am »

Quote from: TheWizard on April 13, 2008, 11:53:57 am

I've noticed lately he has been stripped of his !!s around here.

Well, I never gave them to him in the first place.

Fredia · « **Reply #10 on:** April 13, 2008, 12:09:54 pm »

and that is why you carry the title Pope

SaltyParker · « **Reply #11 on:** April 13, 2008, 12:16:51 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on April 13, 2008, 11:55:55 am

Bourn's not exactly setting the world afire offensively either. Will we see an OF of Lee, Erstad and Cruz?

Erstad in RF today as Pence hits the bench.

pravata · « **Reply #12 on:** April 13, 2008, 01:03:47 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on April 13, 2008, 11:55:55 am

Bourn's not exactly setting the world afire offensively either. Will we see an OF of Lee, Erstad and Cruz?

Bourn has been a big plus in center.

JimR · « **Reply #13 on:** April 13, 2008, 01:35:18 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on April 13, 2008, 11:55:55 am

Bourn's not exactly setting the world afire offensively either. Will we see an OF of Lee, Erstad and Cruz?

so a world class CF has to hit, too? where does it say that?

legs_of_eggs · « **Reply #14 on:** April 13, 2008, 01:36:20 pm »

Pence has said he's a notorious slow starter, last year he hit .195 the first month in RR. Bourn is here for his D and speed, we can wait on his bat.

JimR · « **Reply #15 on:** April 13, 2008, 01:38:20 pm »

Quote from: legs_of_eggs on April 13, 2008, 01:36:20 pm

Pence has said he's a notorious slow starter, last year he hit .195 the first month in RR. Bourn is here for his D and speed, we can wait on his bat.

oh, is that what he said? he is not terrible; he's just a slow starter.

he was in RR for all of 22 games, and he was hitting slightly over .300 when they called him up after a hot road trip.

Greg M · « **Reply #16 on:** April 13, 2008, 01:40:03 pm »

Quote from: legs_of_eggs on April 13, 2008, 01:36:20 pm

Pence has said he's a notorious slow starter, last year he hit .195 the first month in RR. Bourn is here for his D and speed, we can wait on his bat.

He's clueless right now.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #17 on:** April 13, 2008, 02:00:26 pm »

Quote from: JimR on April 13, 2008, 01:35:18 pm

so a world class CF has to hit, too? where does it say that?

He's a big plus in CF, but I'm not ready to accord him "world class" status yet. I was merely suggesting that if he continues to not get on base, that you may see a change, especially if we are losing lots of games.

BudGirl · « **Reply #18 on:** April 13, 2008, 02:26:08 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on April 13, 2008, 02:00:26 pm

He's a big plus in CF, but I'm not ready to accord him "world class" status yet. I was merely suggesting that if he continues to not get on base, that you may see a change, especially if we are losing lots of games.

Unless you know you will have that speed and defense he'll be given opportunity. Otherwise, you are weakening your bench, A LOT.

mihoba · « **Reply #19 on:** April 13, 2008, 02:34:08 pm »

Quote from: JimR on April 13, 2008, 01:38:20 pm

oh, is that what he said? he is not terrible; he's just a slow starter.

he was in RR for all of 22 games, and he was hitting slightly over .300 when they called him up after a hot road trip.

Plus, didn't he just tear up the Grapefruit league last year? That sure doesn't sound like a slow starter to me.

SaltyParker · « **Reply #20 on:** April 13, 2008, 02:43:35 pm »

Quote from: mihoba on April 13, 2008, 02:34:08 pm

Plus, didn't he just tear up the Grapefruit league last year?

This year as well. (.376avg/.694slg)

Fredia · « **Reply #21 on:** April 13, 2008, 03:05:02 pm »

maybe its just like when you first have sex and are not to good at it because you are nervous about the whole thing. then you relax enjoy and it comes natrual. maybe pence is just having issues with it being his first season to start in the bigs

mihoba · « **Reply #22 on:** April 13, 2008, 03:14:41 pm »

Quote from: Fredia on April 13, 2008, 03:05:02 pm

maybe its just like when you first have sex and are not to good at it because you are nervous about the whole thing. then you relax enjoy and it comes natrual. maybe pence is just having issues with it being his first season to start in the bigs

Premature jack elation.

JimR · « **Reply #23 on:** April 13, 2008, 03:17:09 pm »

Quote from: mihoba on April 13, 2008, 03:14:41 pm

Premature jack elation.

!

JimR · « **Reply #24 on:** April 13, 2008, 03:18:30 pm »

Quote from: Fredia on April 13, 2008, 03:05:02 pm

maybe its just like when you first have sex and are not to good at it because you are nervous about the whole thing. then you relax enjoy and it comes natrual. maybe pence is just having issues with it being his first season to start in the bigs

sure, fredia. got any more?

Craig · « **Reply #25 on:** April 13, 2008, 03:31:08 pm »

Quote from: mihoba on April 13, 2008, 03:14:41 pm

Premature jack elation.

Wow, Fredia serves it up on a platter and mihoba takes it deep.

JaneDoe · « **Reply #26 on:** April 13, 2008, 03:36:57 pm »

Quote from: mihoba on April 13, 2008, 03:14:41 pm

Premature jack elation.

How long you been waiting to use that one?

mihoba · « **Reply #27 on:** April 13, 2008, 03:44:28 pm »

Quote from: JaneDoe on April 13, 2008, 03:36:57 pm

How long you been waiting to use that one?

I just couldn't hold it in.

rifraft · « **Reply #28 on:** April 13, 2008, 03:54:53 pm »

Quote from: mihoba on April 13, 2008, 03:44:28 pm

I just couldn't hold it in.

so that was just like your first time then.

moriartp · « **Reply #29 on:** April 13, 2008, 04:03:48 pm »

Quote from: mihoba on April 13, 2008, 03:14:41 pm

Premature jack elation.

Brilliant.

Waldo · « **Reply #30 on:** April 13, 2008, 04:51:49 pm »

Quote from: Craig on April 13, 2008, 03:31:08 pm

takes it deep.

That's what she said.

Arky Vaughan · « **Reply #31 on:** April 13, 2008, 04:59:03 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on April 13, 2008, 02:00:26 pm

He's a big plus in CF, but I'm not ready to accord him "world class" status yet. I was merely suggesting that if he continues to not get on base, that you may see a change, especially if we are losing lots of games.

But has Bourn looked as lost and flailing as Pence? There are a lot of guys in the line-up who aren't running on all cylinders yet. If you start moving them all around, they're never going to have the chance to get to get in a groove. The only way the team should consider making a summary move is if someone is obviously clueless at the plate. It sounds like Pence has that problem right now.

BudGirl · « **Reply #32 on:** April 13, 2008, 05:06:21 pm »

Quote from: rifraft on April 13, 2008, 03:54:53 pm

so that was just like your first time then.

You definitely beat me to that one.

rambo2 · « **Reply #33 on:** April 13, 2008, 05:30:42 pm »

They will probably give him 3 weeks to come out of it. I think he will come out of it and start hitting again.

JimR · « **Reply #34 on:** April 13, 2008, 05:43:51 pm »

Quote from: rambo2 on April 13, 2008, 05:30:42 pm

They will probably give him 3 weeks to come out of it. I think he will come out of it and start hitting again.

or not

JaneDoe · « **Reply #35 on:** April 13, 2008, 05:54:05 pm »

Quote from: rambo2 on April 13, 2008, 05:30:42 pm

They will probably give him 3 weeks to come out of it. I think he will come out of it and start hitting again.

Does it really matter what you think will happen?

TheWizard · « **Reply #36 on:** April 13, 2008, 06:08:41 pm »

Quote from: Waldo on April 13, 2008, 04:51:49 pm

That's what she said.

If we are opening up the "that's what she said" jokes, it could make things interesting around here.

Froback · « **Reply #37 on:** April 13, 2008, 06:37:42 pm »

Quote from: rambo2 on April 13, 2008, 05:30:42 pm

They will probably give him 3 weeks to come out of it. I think he will come out of it and start hitting again.

Well of course that settles it doesn't it.

You just want to confirm why so many people have you on ignore, don't you?

Mike · « **Reply #38 on:** April 13, 2008, 07:51:18 pm »

They were talking about giving Pence a day off for some time. I think they decided against it to try to get his bat back. That hasn't really happened so they gave him a day off. Plus the off day should give him a bit of a rest. Though he isn't really hitting yet, 4 of his 9 hits have been for extra bases. Tied for third on the team in doubles and tied for first on the team in triples. It is strange that he has slumped so bad so far this season, it looked like he was ready for the season when I saw him in late March at Spring Training.

rambo2 · « **Reply #39 on:** April 13, 2008, 08:30:24 pm »

Quote from: JaneDoe on April 13, 2008, 05:54:05 pm

Does it really matter what you think will happen?

No, it doesn't matter what I think or that you wouldn't bat him leadoff. Anybody can see that he needs to start laying off the sliders out of the zone or he will be heading down to AAA.

Arky Vaughan · « **Reply #40 on:** April 13, 2008, 08:38:18 pm »

Quote from: rambo2 on April 13, 2008, 05:30:42 pm

They will probably give him 3 weeks to come out of it. I think he will come out of it and start hitting again.

What's your source/basis for this speculation?

rambo2 · « **Reply #41 on:** April 13, 2008, 08:48:35 pm »

Quote from: Arky Vaughan on April 13, 2008, 08:38:18 pm

What's your source/basis for this speculation?

They can't let him keep hitting .180 and 3 weeks should give him ample time to come out it. His past performance suggests that he will come out of it, but sometimes young players need to go back to the farm to work things out.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #42 on:** April 13, 2008, 10:38:44 pm »

Quote from: Arky Vaughan on April 13, 2008, 04:59:03 pm

But has Bourn looked as lost and flailing as Pence? There are a lot of guys in the line-up who aren't running on all cylinders yet. If you start moving them all around, they're never going to have the chance to get to get in a groove. The only way the team should consider making a summary move is if someone is obviously clueless at the plate. It sounds like Pence has that problem right now.

I agree with you that right now there is a difference between Bourn and Pence.

Arky Vaughan · « **Reply #43 on:** April 13, 2008, 11:08:56 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on April 13, 2008, 10:38:44 pm

I agree with you that right now there is a difference between Bourn and Pence.

I do agree with your point about the importance of Bourn to the offense. He was not only brought in to play stellar center field, he was also brought in to be the leadoff man. If he can't do both, the Astros are only getting half of what they bargained for.

TheWizard · « **Reply #44 on:** April 13, 2008, 11:57:03 pm »

Quote from: Arky Vaughan on April 13, 2008, 11:08:56 pm

I do agree with your point about the importance of Bourn to the offense. He was not only brought in to play stellar center field, he was also brought in to be the leadoff man. If he can't do both, the Astros are only getting half of what they bargained for.

The man plays an outstanding CF, but like you say, he also is the lead-off man. I don't think every great defensive player should be expected to hit .300 (see Everett, Adam) because they already are providing for their team. But Mr. Bourne is in the situation where he is expected to both play a great CF and get on base for the big bats. He isn't struggling in the same way Pence is though, so I think it'll eventually come together and the ball will start to drop for him.

Towlie · « **Reply #45 on:** April 14, 2008, 11:03:39 pm »

Another struggling young stud: Ryan Braun

moriartp · « **Reply #46 on:** April 14, 2008, 11:27:46 pm »

That pleases me.

MusicMan · « **Reply #47 on:** April 15, 2008, 10:38:07 am »

Quote from: Towlie on April 14, 2008, 11:03:39 pm

Another struggling young stud: Ryan Braun

My fantacrap team is based around Pence, Braun, and Oswalt. You can guess how I'm doing.

Fredia · « **Reply #48 on:** April 15, 2008, 10:41:34 am »

well maybe things will get better as the season goes on. lets hope so for the sake of the real astros as well as your sanity

Gizzmonic · « **Reply #49 on:** April 15, 2008, 10:45:00 am »

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Quote from: Towlie on April 14, 2008, 11:03:39 pm

Another struggling young stud: Ryan Braun

MusicMan · « **Reply #50 on:** April 15, 2008, 10:48:33 am »

Ummm... maybe you oughta sit out a few hands, champ.

Author Topic: Pence (Read 9586 times)

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