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General Discussion => Beer and Queso => Topic started by: Lurch on September 17, 2010, 02:19:52 pm
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The real kind, Limey (USA! USA! USA!)
Man, I'm pumped about this weekend. Texas at Texas Tech and Texans at Redskins cant get here fast enough
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UT @ Tech shouldn't disappoint. Neither of these teams are as good as 2008, both have a lot to prove and I'd be surprised to see either come out flat. Over-amped maybe and I'd be shocked if inconsistency isn't the norm. I'm also not a huge fan of the early matchup, even though it probably favors Tech.
Texans @ Redskins - home office is in VA and I just happen to be going next week. I'd like to be able to razz them a bit but I'll have to be gentle, most are VT alums and may not have much spirit left. I'm also looking forward to catching the Astros @ Nats if I can get loose from work in time.
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I'll have to be gentle, most are VT alums and may not have much spirit left.
My favorite comment on VT:
James Madison:Virginia Tech :: James Madison:Dolly Madison
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I am so psyched for Sunday that I can barely contain myself. And by contain myself I am referring to the full growler of Prost Pilsner from NXNW brewpub, which I just cracked open with Friday evening merriment. I raise a glass to the Texans and the football gods, real and fantasy, hoping the Texans can come out of this weekend with an intact record and good health. The last time they started off 2-0 something very bad happened to the knee of a certain player, allowing Andre Davis to become the team's go-to deep threat for much of that season. Let's win, but not have another incident plz. Thank you FB Gods.
GO TEXANS!!
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In Cowtown to watch Christians battle Baptists.
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In Cowtown to watch Christians battle Baptists.
Come Sunday I would love to see BUWebguy get to raz Astrofrog. And, you Texans fans will get to see a little more diverse offense this week. Don't expect them to run on the Skins like they did the Colts (not even close), but figure they will have a good day in the passing game.
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Come Sunday I would love to see BUWebguy get to raz Astrofrog.
I'd love the same. (No offense, Astrofrog.) Enjoy the game, Taras!
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In Cowtown to watch Christians battle Baptists.
That could be a great game. I will definitely be watching it on TV.
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That could be a great game. I will definitely be watching it on TV.
Is this a joke or is Baylor actually capable? I honestly have no idea.
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If you can maintain the buzz long enough, the Cougars - UCLA game is at 9:30. UCLA comes to Austin next week for the Horns "signature" out of conference game. The two games should tell us who is better between UT and UH as long as you take into account the road/home difference and the fact that they are two completely separate events. THIS IS HOW WE ANALYZE COLLEGE FOOTBALL!
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If you can maintain the buzz long enough, the Cougars - UCLA game is at 9:30. UCLA comes to Austin next week for the Horns "signature" out of conference game. The two games should tell us who is better between UT and UH as long as you take into account the road/home difference and the fact that they are two completely separate events. THIS IS HOW WE ANALYZE COLLEGE FOOTBALL!
As long as it's nothing like the last time UCLA came to Austin I'll be fine and severely less sunburned no matter the result
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Is this a joke or is Baylor actually capable? I honestly have no idea.
I have no idea either. The odds makers think that it is no contest. Griffin is always fun to watch play.
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I have no idea either. The odds makers think that it is no contest. Griffin is always fun to watch play.
What's a good website for sports odds?
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I like docsports.
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Is this a joke or is Baylor actually capable? I honestly have no idea.
Sure, why not. I thought TCU did not look very good against a very mediocre OreSt team. When you have that much speed and athleticism at the QB position you can always make things interesting.
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What's a good website for sports odds?
I don't know one. The line was mentioned in a newspaper article I read.
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What's a good website for sports odds?
go to yahoo sports, click on NCAAF then click on odds at the top of the page. It gives you the oddsd from multiple sportsbooks
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Is this a joke or is Baylor actually capable? I honestly have no idea.
I like Shiner hefeweizen.
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OU sucks.
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The only team that looks dominating to me is Alabama. Every other supposedly good team that I have seen has serious problems or deficiencies.
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That could be a great game. I will definitely be watching it on TV.
Could have been.
Was not.
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Finally, here we go! Hook 'em
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Well, that's ONE way to score fast.
Just like GD drew it up.
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What a gift
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Well, that's ONE way to score fast.
Just like GD drew it up.
Fucking bunch formation on third and two. It's like that fuckwit has never even seen a game.
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Fucking bunch formation on third and two. It's like that fuckwit has never even seen a game.
You don't get it. We scored on that "drive." He's a genius. Stay the course, chuck. See this ring? Ain't broke; nothing to fix.
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Best drive of the year.
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Very nice throw down field
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Very nice throw down field
The score was a very pretty throw on the run. Perfectly accurate. Just wait until GD realizes he's been rolling him out to the right and corrects that oversight.
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The score was a very pretty throw on the run. Perfectly accurate. Just wait until GD realizes he's been rolling him out to the right and corrects that oversight.
The first drive confused me. Pass, Pass, Run, Punt is not the same as Run, Run, Pass, Punt even though it has the same net result.
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Tech doesn't look as fast as us. Did they lose a lot of players on D and not reload? Not that D was their thing.
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These first three games I've seen some very impressive size. I don't have a good sense of their respective speeds but in terms of pure bulk I'd say that Tech and Rice are very, very evenly matched with respect to their sideline dance teams.
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INT#1.
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with respect to their sideline dance teams.
Thar's manteca in them thar tortillas.
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INT#1.
#2
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Right back. +15.
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Good for Blake!
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Good for Blake!
That's what I was thinking. Still don't make up for it; but it's nice.
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These first three games I've seen some very impressive size. I don't have a good sense of their respective speeds but in terms of pure bulk I'd say that Tech and Rice are very, very evenly matched with respect to their sideline dance teams.
Golf clap.
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shit fuck. Gilberts not a short qb. wtf
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Jesus Fucking Christ.
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shit fuck. Gilberts not a short qb. wtf
Here's what scares me, and I admit my opinion means nothing; Gilbert looks like Chris Simms II to me. He's not particularly accurate, his arm isn't that strong, and he likes to pretend he's 5'8.
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Britt Mitchell is fucking getting abused out there. Surely they have someone who can play that position and not get embarrassed each play. That idiot is solely responsible for both picks.
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Here's what scares me, and I admit my opinion means nothing; Gilbert looks like Chris Simms II to me. He's not particularly accurate, his arm isn't that strong, and he likes to pretend he's 5'8.
Talk last year was that he had a cannon.
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Here's what scares me, and I admit my opinion means nothing; Gilbert looks like Chris Simms II to me. He's not particularly accurate, his arm isn't that strong, and he likes to pretend he's 5'8.
He's a sophomore with no experience and an idiot OC. Let's revisit this in November.
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Talk last year was that he had a cannon.
See, and I'm totally willing to admit I just don't know enough about the subject to know what I'm looking at, I don't see "cannon." A majority of his passes are wobbly, inaccurate snorts.
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Talk last year was that he had a cannon.
He has an NFL arm.
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He's a sophomore with no experience and an idiot OC. Let's revisit this in November.
I'm completely on board with that; like I said, I'm willing to admit that most of my opinion is my lack of expertise on the subject.
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He has an NFL arm.
You honestly believe that?
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See, and I'm totally willing to admit I just don't know enough about the subject to know what I'm looking at, I don't see "cannon." A majority of his passes are wobbly, inaccurate snorts.
I havent seen it myself. Last year he was apparently on display during the public practices
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I havent seen it myself. Last year he was apparently on display during the public practices
Cannon in practice and wobbly in games = Chris Simms.
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Like that pass. Short. Wobbly. Inaccurate. Should have been picked.
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You honestly believe that?
Yes. I watched him closely during warm ups at the Rice game and the difference between his ball and anyone else's on the out route was shocking.
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yeah, that wasn't good
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yeah, that wasn't good
Surely someone keeps stats on how accurate a QB is (as far as hitting a receiver en route; caught or not), no?
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Surely someone keeps stats on how accurate a QB is (as far as hitting a receiver en route; caught or not), no?
I know in the NFL STATS Inc keeps all those sorts of records.
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I know in the NFL STATS Inc keeps all those sorts of records.
But not for college?
I just remember having many discussions during the WYO and RICE games with the other people watching that a lot of the "great passes" were actually "great catches" by the receiving core coming back to catch balls behind them or over them.
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that was a great throw
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I'm ok with the offense looking like shit.
I'm not ok with the defense looking like shit.
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But not for college?
I just remember having many discussions during the WYO and RICE games with the other people watching that a lot of the "great passes" were actually "great catches" by the receiving core coming back to catch balls behind them or over them.
I don't have any sort of Gilbert fixation and haven't seen enough of him to know whether I like him or not but it's always possible that the QB is putting the ball exactly where it needs to be and the receiver ran a bad route.
Chykie Brown is terrible.
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I don't have any sort of Gilbert fixation and haven't seen enough of him to know whether I like him or not but it's always possible that the QB is putting the ball exactly where it needs to be and the receiver ran a bad route.
I agree, but I have a hard time believing all 5 receivers are running bad routes.
Chykie Brown is terrible.
Seriously.
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Fielding that kickoff was profoundly stupid. Fair catch on the two stupid.
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Fielding that kickoff was profoundly stupid. Fair catch on the two stupid.
What's worse, it was going out of bounds. Idiot.
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What's worse, it was going out of bounds. Idiot.
That's what I'm talking about. You want the ball on the 16 or on the 40? Mull it over and get back to me.
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Have Brett Mitchell killed.
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OK, I've seen enough of that fat fucker.
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That's what I'm talking about. You want the ball on the 16 or on the 40? Mull it over and get back to me.
Fort....sixteen?
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I watch a lot of football. I can't ever remember a facemask call on a kicking team.
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We're extremely fortunate to be tied right now. And Tech is clearly not that good of a team either.
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Hey, maybe we'll lose more than 4 games like I think we will and I'll get to go watch us play Rutgers in the Pinstripe Bowl.
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Hey, maybe we'll lose more than 4 games like I think we will and I'll get to go watch us play Rutgers in the Pinstripe Bowl.
You really want to spend the night in Altoona?
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You really want to spend the night in Altoona?
Who. Wouldn't.
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Score and quarter?
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Score and quarter?
Bad question.
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Score and quarter?
31-0 Boise in the 2nd.
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Wow, what a break.
Clearly not a catch.
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Wow, what a break.
Clearly not a catch.
Wow. Not close.
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How much we grease the zebras for this one?
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Y'all are posting about the BU game, right?
Okay smartasses, what is the score of the Texas game and how much time is left in the game?
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Two things.
1) We need 9, Greg. 9. Not 2. 9. You are an ape.
2) Goddammit.
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14-14, 3:17 to go in the 2nd.
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Two things.
1) We need 9, Greg. 9. Not 2. 9. You are an ape.
2) Goddammit.
That's on GG for not looking downfield. You always have an outlet. Six points lost so far on idiotic interceptions.
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14-14, 3:17 to go in the 2nd.
Thank you!
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I ask you, who is in charge of this horse shit show this evening?
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Disjointed, unorganized donkey shit. I'd like to thank Tech's center for the 7 pts. How are we 6th? I'm not saying we're terrible or anything, but 6th?
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I take it back. GG is, in fact, a moron.
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WHO. IS. COACHING. THIS. SHIT. SHOW.
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Ugly fucking football
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Ugly fucking football
No plan. No management. No execution. Total junk.
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Hold the motherfucking phone.
ND has a QB named Christ?
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Hogs Tide next week. Sooey pig.
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If you can maintain the buzz long enough, the Cougars - UCLA game is at 9:30. UCLA comes to Austin next week for the Horns "signature" out of conference game. The two games should tell us who is better between UT and UH as long as you take into account the road/home difference and the fact that they are two completely separate events. THIS IS HOW WE ANALYZE COLLEGE FOOTBALL!
Boise St over Wyoming 34-0 at half
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Boise St over Wyoming 34-0 at half
I don't think I'm going too far out on a limb here saying that Boise would thrash the shit out of this Horns team right now.
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Oh, and we're going to get our asses handed to us in Lincoln.
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A&M doing its part to ruin Big12 SoS
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The only team that looks dominating to me is Alabama. Every other supposedly good team that I have seen has serious problems or deficiencies.
You see Oregon yet?
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A&M doing its part to ruin Big12 SoS
Fucking Aggy. I swear.
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The only thing better than Outback is free Outback.
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Christopher Moltisanti, you'll always be Christopher Moltisanti.
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The only thing better than Outback is free Outback.
I can destroy a blooming onion
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I can destroy a blooming onion
I can destroy an Outback.
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I'm ok with the offense looking like shit.
I'm not ok with the defense looking like shit.
Or special teams.
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What the fuck. Are these kids not being coached?
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What the fuck. Are these kids not being coached?
We're. Texas.
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OUT. STANDING.
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I have an idea.
Let's run up the middle into a wall. SHIT. That didn't work.
Try it again. SHIT.
Ok, one last time.
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THREE? All you got out of that was THREE?
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I have an idea.
Let's run up the middle into a wall. SHIT. That didn't work.
Try it again. SHIT.
Ok, one last time.
The thing about telling your O line that you trust them, doesn't mean you actually should.
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The thing about telling your O line that you trust them, doesn't mean you actually should.
Greg Davis, King For Life.
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Uh oh.
Running QB.
eta...nm
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Jeffcoat. Defensive lineman. It's almost like I've seen that somewhere else before.
Man, that kid is fast.
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Hope she gets to keep the mask
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"You see the single finger in the air, thats part of the tradition. It's called "pistols."
Holy fuck that was dumb.
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"You see the single finger in the air, thats part of the tradition. It's called "pistols."
Holy fuck that was dumb.
Ron just wants to go home like the rest of us.
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GD's stupidity is literally infinite.
Curtis Brown and Aaron Williams are nicked up and in the dressing room.
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The D is getting more neg yards that the O is getting positive ones
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I can't wait to see the UT spin on this clusterfuck.
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Really not anyone else at tech that can ride the horse?
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Fozzy's out with a shoulder.
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Of course. Can't have a gain without a flag.
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Fozzy's out with a shoulder.
He's the Fiat of running backs.
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I can't wait to see the UT spin on this clusterfuck.
There is no spinning this game. All you had to do is not self destruct(3 tipped picks) in the red zone and there would be a comfortable lead. The defense is playing great.
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Fozzy's out with a shoulder.
Malcolm Brown can't get here fast enough.
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There is no spinning this game. All you had to do is not self destruct(3 tipped picks) in the red zone and there would be a comfortable lead. The defense is playing great.
Great?
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Total absence of downfield blocking. Like that's the worst of their problems right now, but still.
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Great?
Relative to the offense, dude, they're the fucking '85 Bears.
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Total absence of downfield blocking. Like that's the worst of their problems right now, but still.
I've noticed that the WRs are by and large terrible blockers. I've also noticed that the Horns like to pull an OT and that OT almost never does anything, getting to the play far too late to have any impact. They'd be better off sending that tackle into the backfield and having him put a helmet on a linebacker.
Tre Newton now in the locker room.
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Relative to the offense, dude, they're the fucking '85 Bears.
Relative to the offense, dude, I'm '55 Bardot.
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See how high Gilbert threw that? Afraid of tips now
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Great?
It's not perfect by any means, but I don't see how you can say otherwise. 7 of Tech's points belong to a turnover by the offense.
For the game, Tech has 138 yards of offense, and the offense keeps trying to give the game away. They have allowed Tech to move the ball twice all night: on the score that tied the game at 14, and the drive where Curtis Brown should have had a pick 6 instead of a pick 3. Considering the state of the offense at the moment, I'd say they have held up their end of the bargain. If the D wasn't playing great, the team would be down double digits in Lubbock.
If the offense could get out of it's own way and leave this game up to the defense, the game be comfortably in Texas' favor right now.
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It's not perfect by any means, I don't see how you can say otherwise.
Great?
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I'd like to chain whip that asshole beating on that bell.
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I can't believe how many awesome fucking games are on right now.
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That's a shit way to lose an upset bid.
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I can't believe how many awesome fucking games are on right now.
Awesome?
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run, clock, run
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Relative to the offense, dude, I'm '55 Bardot.
Bardot? Dude, I can't keep track of all those Division III schools you yankees follow.
Here comes the sweep.
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nice play call
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Awesome?
I don't see how you could say otherwise.
ND and MSU tied until 15 seconds ago. This shitfest against Tech. Clemson/Auburn just went OT. And the only ranked team vs ranked team just started.
Plus: if you're into this sort of shit, UH vs UCLA.
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I'm stunned that a TE held on to the ball.
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I'm stunned that a TE held on to the ball.
At least we have a two score lead.
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I'm stunned that a TE held on to the ball.
My wife said the exact same thing.
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I don't see how you could say otherwise.
ND and MSU tied until 15 seconds ago. This shitfest against Tech. Clemson/Auburn just went OT. And the only ranked team vs ranked team just started.
Plus: if you're into this sort of this, UH vs UCLA.
Relative to that shitucopia, I'm '91 Rosie Perez.
Uh, wait...
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I don't see how you could say otherwise.
ND and MSU tied until 15 seconds ago. This shitfest against Tech. Clemson/Auburn just went OT. And the only ranked team vs ranked team just started.
Plus: if you're into this sort of shit, UH vs UCLA.
Don't forget Bardot versus Smith College.
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Don't forget Bardot versus Smith College.
That game already happened; you're watching tape delay. Smith won 17-14.
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The Cougars and Bruins are supposed to be playing on Comcast channel 110, but they're showing the stRangers and the Mariners instead.
AM 790 has the A&M post-game show.
Anyone know if the UH game is available on TV or radio at the moment?!
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That game already happened; you're watching tape delay. Smith won 17-14.
Who cares? I just love watching them take a lick.
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The Cougars and Bruins are supposed to be playing on Comcast channel 110, but they're showing the stRangers and the Mariners instead.
AM 790 has the A&M post-game show.
Anyone know if the UH game is available on TV or radio at the moment?!
MSG+. 748 on TWC-NYC.
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Relative to that shitucopia, I'm '91 Rosie Perez.
Uh, wait...
If you're going to pretend to be Puerto Rican at the very least you're going to need to type in all caps.
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Who cares? I just love watching them take a lick.
I don't get it.
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I don't get it.
What?
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What?
Exactly.
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"Well, we knew we were going to be in for a really tough game. Tech is a great team with a great coach and great kids and we're just very lucky. Our team is designed to play four quarters and we wanted to be in a position to take advantage of the fourth quarter and that's just what we did.
I'm proud of our players, they played a great game, hung in there and put their hearts into it."
Blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah.
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Exactly.
Just wait until Bardot goes up against Mt Holyoke. You should have seen them last year toying with Bardot in the red zone.
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If you're going to pretend to be Puerto Rican at the very least you're going to need to type in all caps.
DID YOU SAY PARADE? I COULD DO A PARADE. IT'S NOT LIKE I HAVE A JOB TO GET TO TOMORROW.
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Just wait until Bardot goes up against Mt Holyoke. You should have seen them last year toying with Bardot in the red zone.
I don't get it.
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I don't get it.
Zone is fine. Red, not necessarily.
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Zone is fine. Red, not necessarily.
Racist.
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DID YOU SAY PARADE? I COULD DO A PARADE. IT'S NOT LIKE I HAVE A JOB TO GET TO TOMORROW.
Overt prejudice. Impressive.
Job? No. Domino game out in the middle of the street? Surely.
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Overt prejudice. Impressive.
Job? No. Domino game out in the middle of the street? Surely.
I'm not pre-judging anyone. I'm merely saying that no Puerto Rican has a job and loves to make noise. Also: black people and Indians.
eta: Mexicans.
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Racist.
Native (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4ozVMxzNAA).
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Nice call there.
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Native (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4ozVMxzNAA).
This is my challenge to the TZ. Go one week without a weakly related youtube link. I dare you.
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I'm not pre-judging anyone. I'm merely saying that no Puerto Rican has a job and loves to make noise.
eta: Mexicans.
redundant
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I'm not pre-judging anyone. I'm merely saying that no Puerto Rican has a job and loves to make noise. Also: black people and Indians.
eta: Mexicans.
Your elevator man Hector? Rican. Plus job. I realize that ferrying you up and down is more of a privilege than a job, but still. He does keep the radio a bit stout for that small a space. Which would be bigger if not for the domino table.
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MSG+. 748 on TWC-NYC.
Nice. So you're in NYC (Old El Paso commercial: New York City?!) and can see the game, but I'm in fucking Houston and apparently I can't.
I guess I should start an "I'm moving to New York" thread--maybe it really is all that.
The A&M post-game show is still going. WTF.
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This is my challenge to the TZ. Go one week without a weakly related youtube link. I dare you.
Oh, fine. Pick on me.
Here's my challenge. One week without a weak non sequitur that buys time to spawn a tangential series of references to mask an inability to complete a thread.
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This is my challenge to the TZ. Go one week without a weakly related youtube link. I dare you.
Good luck.
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Oh, fine. Pick on me.
Here's my challenge. One week without a weak non sequitur that buys time to spawn a tangential series of references to mask an inability to complete a thread.
I don't get it.
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Nice. So you're in NYC (Old El Paso commercial: New York City?!) and can see the game, but I'm in fucking Houston and apparently I can't.
I guess I should start an "I'm moving to New York" thread--maybe it really is all that.
The A&M post-game show is still going. WTF.
Get a rope.
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I don't get it.
Red zone.
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Your elevator man Hector? Rican. Plus job. I realize that ferrying you up and down is more of a privilege than a job, but still. He does keep the radio a bit stout for that small a space. Which would be bigger if not for the domino table.
His name is Jimmy. And I'm just amazed that the PRs like dominoes as much as they do, what without the ability to count or use their thumbs.
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Red zone.
Look, I don't even know what a non sequitur is, but Phil Taylor.
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This is my challenge to the TZ. Go one week without a weakly related youtube link. I dare you.
OK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiCl0AyYxyM)
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Look, I don't even know what a non sequitur is, but Phil Taylor.
Ok, that was a good one.
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His name is Jimmy. And I'm just amazed that the PRs like dominoes as much as they do, what without the ability to count or use their thumbs.
I'm sorry, you're going to have to speak up. The merengue's a little loud in here.
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Ok, that was a good one.
Like I tell all my new hires: Kissing ass gets you nowhere. Sucking dick does.
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Sure. Can't win in Lubbock when it matters, but when we have zero chance of a title, no problem.
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Like I tell all my new hires: Kissing ass gets you nowhere. Sucking dick does.
And full circle we're back to Britt Mitchell.
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Wow, Cougars are rather stinking up the Rose Bowl.
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The Cougars and Bruins are supposed to be playing on Comcast channel 110, but they're showing the stRangers and the Mariners instead.
AM 790 has the A&M post-game show.
Anyone know if the UH game is available on TV or radio at the moment?!
I've got it on Fox Sports Houston here in Austin
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Wow, Cougars are rather stinking up the Rose Bowl.
Good thing no one is there to see it.
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Good thing no one is there to see it.
Everyone knows that in LA they all show up in the third quarter.
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Wow, Cougars are rather stinking up the Rose Bowl.
Wow is right.
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Coogs need to get they heads out they asses.
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Wow, Cougars are rather stinking up the Rose Bowl.
Following along on ESPN's Gamecast. Better options?
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I have it on FSH here in Houston.
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Cougars get ranked then shit the bed the next game.
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Cougars get ranked then shit the bed the next game.
It's actually in the CUSA Code of Ethics Manual.
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what a run
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and.... no reason to stay up late
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Wow.
There goes UH's season.
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the knee, not good. we'll see how cotton does this week.
but the offense is totally out of sync today.
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Wow, ND just got punked
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Wow, ND just got punked
That was sweet.
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That was sweet.
Always is.
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I was a spotter in a couple of seasons of Austin ISD football broadcasts, and the guest commentators were ex-UT players from the 60s, 70s and 80s. To a man, they all said they hated ND more than Oklahoma or A&M or any other school.
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790 finally switched to the game. The wife has laid claim to the TV so if/when the game becomes competitive again, we'll see what's going on there.
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Trivia question: the last time UH scored 3 points in a half was...?
I don't know the answer, unfortunately.
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This is really fucking embarrassing.
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UH's defensive line is simply getting blown off the ball. They must be giving up 30 lbs at each position.
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I took Dallas for my suicide pick this week, and I'm not one to overrate the Cowboys. Holy shit they are bad.
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I took Dallas for my suicide pick this week, and I'm not one to overrate the Cowboys. Holy shit they are bad.
And the Texans host them next week
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You suck, Pittsburgh
I take it all back.
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Wow. Slaton needs a shrink
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Wow. Slayton needs a shrink
Jesus, that may be the dumbest fucking play I've ever seen on a football field.
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Texans will probably lose because I want them to win this week. Every other team I've rooted for this weekend has loss. Bugger.
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Jesus, that may be the dumbest fucking play I've ever seen on a football field.
I've seen people fair catch on the two but Slaton's play is the clear winner.
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It could be much worse than 6-0.
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Good defense there. Now, let's see if the offense can go three plays without stepping on their dicks.
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Was the Redskins' uniform designer eating a hotdog?
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Was the Redskins' uniform designer eating a hotdog?
Old school. I like 'em
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Great drive!
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Fuck yeah. Nice drive, boys, that's the way to do it.
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Fuck yeah. Nice drive, boys, that's the way to do it.
Good balance on that drive. *That's* what a running game will do for you.
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Good balance on that drive. *That's* what a running game will do for you.
I love it that the Redskins knew that the Texans would run the ball but the Texans still get four yards most every first down.
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Kareem Jackson is getting absolutely abused. Again. The Texans have got to do something.
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What's a good football live game updater web site? Is ESPN better than NFL.com better than cbssportsline?
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What's a good football live game updater web site? Is ESPN better than NFL.com better than cbssportsline?
I prefer the cbssportsline GameTracker function.
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I prefer the cbssportsline GameTracker function.
Thanks. I'm usually drinking beer watching the game on TV. Work is no fun.
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Schaub...you're fucking killing me!
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Dear Gary Kubiak,
PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! help out Kareem Jackson. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Schaub...you're fucking killing me!
Argh! What happened?
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Argh! What happened?
Apparently Schaub thinks he has an unlimited amount of time to throw the ball. Unfortunately, no one told the Redskins, who sacked him (again) to take them out of makeable field goal range.
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Dear Gary Kubiak,
PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! help out Kareem Jackson. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is terrible. An aged and slow RB and only 1 decent receiver and they're kicking our asses.
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This is terrible. An aged and slow RB and only 1 decent receiver and they're kicking our asses.
They're simply taunting Jackson as they run circles around him. It's like watching an adult play against an infant.
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And Kubiak's game managing idiocy is rubbing off on Schaub. Call the fucking time out!
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People keep telling me Schaub is a good qb. I don't get it.
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People keep telling me Schaub is a good qb. I don't get it.
You don't think Schaub is a good qb??
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People keep telling me Schaub is a good qb. I don't get it.
I swear. Schaub is an honor student at the Gary Kubiak School of Not Having A Fucking Clue How To Manage The Clock.
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This is terrible. An aged and slow RB and only 1 decent receiver and they're kicking our asses.
I think Cooley is a bit past decent, as is Sellers out of the backfiled, and Portis is a very good back when healthy. Washington is a well coached team with some good players, not like y'all are playing a patsy.
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So... not a very good half, eh?
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So... not a very good half, eh?
One good drive. One good D goalline stop. Other than that, no
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So... not a very good half, eh?
fucking depressing...I am jsut bad luck. I will hop off the bandwagon for the second half so the Texans have a chance. This is in no way an endorsement of the fucking redskins.
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I think Cooley is a bit past decent, as is Sellers out of the backfiled, and Portis is a very good back when healthy. Washington is a well coached team with some good players, not like y'all are playing a patsy.
Portis and Sellers are both well past their prime and Cooley is decent. it's a well coached team, but the talent is subpar. They're like the anti-texans.
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You don't think Schaub is a good qb??
I don't think he's bad, but I don't think he's in the top tier either.
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I don't think he's bad, but I don't think he's in the top tier either.
So... good, then?
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So... good, then?
Touche.
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Also good: McNabb
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Wow. Indy must be really, really bad.
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The Texans' secondary is in complete shambles.
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Wow. Indy must be really, really bad.
Yeah, I don't understand how they hold Indy in check, more or less, and then get carved up by Washington. This secondary looks pretty bad today.
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Yeah, I don't understand how they hold Indy in check, more or less, and then get carved up by Washington. This secondary looks pretty bad today.
Pretty bad? There are multiple receivers open without a Texan within 20 yards. On Every. Single. Play. It's like they're playing with only 8 guys.
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Pretty bad? There are multiple receivers open without a Texan within 20 yards. On Every. Single. Play.
And yet they are also not getting any pressure on McNabb. So what exactly is the defense doing out there?
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And yet they are also not getting any pressure on McNabb. So what exactly is the defense doing out there?
Standing there. Literally. They're just standing around.
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Peyton threw for over 400 yards. And all the corners are either rookies or second year players. So I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised when the secondary shows itself to be terrible. The Texans need to generate some serious pass rush to keep the secondary from getting torched every week.
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Peyton threw for over 400 yards. And all the corners are either rookies or second year players. So I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised when the secondary shows itself to be terrible. The Texans need to generate some serious pass rush to keep the secondary from getting torched every week.
I am not surprised the secondary is terrible. I am surprised the pass rush is non-existent, particularly since the Redskins offensive line is relatively weak.
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I am surprised the pass rush is non-existent
You don't watch a lot of Texans football I guess.
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Hows this for a Jerry Jones nightmare scenario: Cowboys miss the playoffs and Redskins win a superbowl in Jerry's house.
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As bad as they've played on defense, a couple of stops, and this game is still winnable.
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Hows this for a Jerry Jones nightmare scenario: Cowboys miss the playoffs and Redskins win a superbowl in Jerry's house.
with all due respect...fuck you
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Block in the back, every fucking time
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Why is that a Texan *has* to push a guy in the back on every kick?
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Hows this for a Jerry Jones nightmare scenario: Cowboys miss the playoffs and Redskins win a superbowl in Jerry's house.
That would be fucking awesome.
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Why is that a Texan *has* to push a guy in the back on every kick?
They get fined for not trying to block? It is maddening, no doubt.
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That would be fucking awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0bgVj7BLNU&feature=related
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Is Dan Fouts a congenital idiot, or has he had to work at it?
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JUST KICK IT. What the fuck? Why the fuck do you want to give them the ball on the 40? Fuck!
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That would be fucking awesome.
Watching Jones squirm would be awesome. Watching the Redskins play in Dallas for a ring would make want to me puke (in fact, I'm pretty sure I'd rather skip the superbowl that watch the Redskins play in one). I'm sorry I even mentioned it, as I'm feeling a bit sickly already at the mere thought of it.
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This is the laziest, most uninspired defensive performance I've ever seen from the Texans. Heads need to roll.
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Watching Jones squirm would be awesome. Watching the Redskins play in Dallas for a ring would make want to me puke (in fact, I'm pretty sure I'd rather skip the superbowl that watch the Redskins play in one). I'm sorry I even mentioned it, as I'm feeling a bit sickly already at the mere thought of it.
I'd rather watch ANYONE but Dallas play in one. To watch the Redskins in a Super Bowl in Dallas would be eclisped only by the Texans playing in it.
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Is Dan Fouts a congenital idiot, or has he had to work at it?
Almost gave us one there
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This is the laziest, most uninspired defensive performance I've ever seen from the Texans. Heads need to roll.
Well done!
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This is the laziest, most uninspired defensive performance I've ever seen from the Texans. Heads need to roll.
This Redskins offense scored 6 points last week. 6.
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WOW.
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It's amazing the Texans are still in this game. Now forget about the everything up to this point....go down and get some fucking points!!
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FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whoever is calling the plays needs to be fucking shot! Now!
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FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whoever is calling the plays needs to be fucking shot! Now!
welcome to my world
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Gotta have a quick stop.
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SON OF A FUCKING BITCH!!!
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The Redskins are trying their best to give this game to the Texans, and the Texans simply won't take it.
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Go back to the running game...
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Come on Schaub...don't step on your dick now.
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There is no fucking way these are the best plays they have. No. Fucking. Way.
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HO. LEE. SHIT. That was an awesome catch
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HO. LEE. SHIT. That was an awesome catch
I don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this, but...Andre Johnson is a fucking stud.
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I don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this, but...Andre Johnson is a fucking stud.
I was just going to say that. Holy fucking shit, that was awesome.
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This Redskins offense scored 6 points last week. 6.
and their defense scored 6.
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HUGE sack by Mario there
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I don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this, but...Andre Johnson is a fucking stud.
Mario ain't to shabby either.
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Mario ain't to shabby either.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess he's about to line up over the replacement left tackle
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I chuckle at that holding.
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Now PLEASE don't block anyone in the back.
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Why are you running backwards?!
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Jacoby Jones is such a fuck up.
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Why are you running backwards?!
Because I'm Jacoby Jone, bitch!
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Jesus Schaub...take your time. It's not like the clock is running or anything.
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They're not gonna fucking kick here. Sweet Jesus, please tell me they're not gonna punt with 3 seconds left. Even Gary Kubiak isn't this fucking stupid. Is he?
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They're not gonna fucking kick here. Sweet Jesus, please tell me they're not gonna punt with 3 seconds left. Even Gary Kubiak isn't this fucking stupid. Is he?
Shanahan's random 3 seconds left time out is a good indicator of where Kubiak learned from.
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He is.
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He is.
Seriously? I stepped away from the TV back to my office just assuming they would run around for 3 seconds. What happend?
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okay, Texans help the Cowboys out and get a win.
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Shanahan's random 3 seconds left time out is a good indicator of where Kubiak learned from.
My husband is a lifelong Redskins fan. He's presently stomping around upstairs ranting about the stupidity of Shanahan.
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Seriously? I stepped away from the TV back to my office just assuming they would run around for 3 seconds. What happend?
He let Turk run around for three seconds. Forget that you have a free play to try to score.
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The Texans have never won an OT game? Really?
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And Slaton fucking does it again. Unbelievable.
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I might have missed this elsewhere, but Keenum is done for the season after tearing his ACL in the 2nd quarter. Backup quarterback Cotton Turner will miss the rest of the season after fracturing his clavicle in the third quarter. LINK (http://www.centredaily.com/2010/09/19/2218765/houstons-keenum-tears-acl-out.html)
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I might have missed this elsewhere, but Keenum is done for the season after tearing his ACL in the 2nd quarter. Backup quarterback Cotton Turner will miss the rest of the season after fracturing his clavicle in the third quarter. LINK (http://www.centredaily.com/2010/09/19/2218765/houstons-keenum-tears-acl-out.html)
guess we will see how good of a coach sumlin is now.
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I might have missed this elsewhere, but Keenum is done for the season after tearing his ACL in the 2nd quarter. Backup quarterback Cotton Turner will miss the rest of the season after fracturing his clavicle in the third quarter. LINK (http://www.centredaily.com/2010/09/19/2218765/houstons-keenum-tears-acl-out.html)
Sucks for the Coogs. But the kid didn't look that bad last night. Of course, it was in a blowout.
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Unfuckingbelievable. Kubiak must go. Period.
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Wow. Really? Is Rackers hurt?
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WTF??
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Unfuckingbelievable. Kubiak must go. Period.
want to trade coaches?
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This is the Fucking NFL right? Don't try to win at 54 yards??
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I don't think overtime is a very good time to try and win the game. Smart move, Kubes.
Fucking moron.
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I am ashamed that I let Bob McNair continue to take my money, when he doesn't give a flying fuck about winning.
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this game is making me madder than the cowboys one. seriously, they are as stupid as my team.
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Unbelievable.
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2 plays. They're where they would've been had they missed the FG.
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2 plays. They're where they would've been had they missed the FG.
I did not think it was possible to be dumber than Gary Kubiak last season. Until I saw Kubiak this season.
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this game is making me madder than the cowboys one. seriously, they are as stupid as my team.
I felt the same way. it is now turning comical. if you are as fucking stupid as the Texas teams have shown recently, you deserve to lose.
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I felt the same way. it is now turning comical. if you are as fucking stupid as the Texas teams have shown recently, you deserve to lose.
Let's keep this straight. As fucking stupid as their idiot coach.
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I felt the same way. it is now turning comical. if you are as fucking stupid as the Texas teams have shown recently, you deserve to lose.
i bet the skins go for the kick
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i bet the skins go for the kick
Of course. Shanahan's seen a football game before.
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Of course. Shanahan's seen a football game before.
and he made it, after the time out. uhoh
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the Texans can still win this.
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the Texans can still win this.
Better hope there's not a coaching decision involved then.
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So dumb. So lucky. So talented.
Bernard Pollard, Andre Johnson, Walter, etc... deserve so much better.
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It's gonna be a tie. For Hudson.
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it can happen. just ask mcnabb.
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Take the penalty.
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Who thought it was a good idea to let Fouts speak?
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Who thought it was a good idea to let Fouts speak?
Kubiak?
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Who thought it was a good idea to let Fouts speak?
probably kubiak
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Take the penalty.
Amazing that anybody who has ever watched the game of football, much less played quarterback, would have any debate.
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the texans better get their first ot win.
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That was a great throw by Schaub to Driesen. While I don't think Schaub is one of the elite, he's certainly damn good. Bordering on quite very good indeed.
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That was a great throw by Schaub to Driesen. While I don't think Schaub is one of the elite, he's certainly damn good. Bordering on quite very good indeed.
He's an elite passer.
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I need a Fouts Button.
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I need a Fouts Button.
I can't believe Kubiak didn't go for the FG on 1-10.
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finally
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That was intense.
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Thank you Texans!
-Redskins Hater!
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That was intense.
Not shit. I need a fucking drink.
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I'll tell you guys something. I have no problem at all not attempting that 52 yard field goal. I probably would have gone for it on fourth down but I wasn't upset at the punt. I was outraged, though, that Turk punted the ball into the fucking end zone. That is simply unconscionable from that short distance. You have twenty yards of sideline to work with. Two of them, in fact. Fuck me, that pisses me off.
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fuck
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I'll tell you guys something. I have no problem at all not attempting that 52 yard field goal.
I think you have take a reasonable try to win the game rather than giving the ball over
I probably would have gone for it on fourth down but I wasn't upset at the punt.
I'd be fine with that. Again, trying to win rather than just giving the ball back.
I was outraged, though, that Turk punted the ball into the fucking end zone. That is simply unconscionable from that short distance. You have twenty yards of sideline to work with. Two of them, in fact. Fuck me, that pisses me off.
Yes. That was absurd.
Good win in the end.
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"Well, we knew we were going to be in for a really tough game. Tech is a great team with a great coach and great kids and we're just very lucky. Our team is designed to play four quarters and we wanted to be in a position to take advantage of the fourth quarter and that's just what we did.
I'm proud of our players, they played a great game, hung in there and put their hearts into it."
Blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah.
This again
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I hated Kubiak for not letting Rackers kick, but whatever. It worked. I'm still a Kubiak fan. That was the most exciting/ridiculous football game I've seen since the '05 Rose Bowl.
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220, 221, whatever it takes.
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Still can't believe Kubiak didn't kick that field goal. Still can't believe the Texans won. Andre Johnson is really good. Still can't believe that idiot coach of the chiefs cut bernard pollard.
next week with a chance to drive a big fat middle finger right through the cowfucks season.
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Agreed. It was so much the Texans, but not, which is nice I guess? I'll just be pleased with the win and try not to think about it too much.
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It's the NFL. A win is a win. Every team has holes, and it's pretty obvious the Texans' secondary is the hole on this team.
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It's the NFL. A win is a win. Every team has holes, and it's pretty obvious the Texans' secondary is the hole on this team.
The secondary has the talent and can be fixed.
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The secondary has the talent and can be fixed.
I don't blame the players too much. They are what they are...young and inexperienced. But they're getting abused by everyone, including Arena League refugees. The coaches have *got* to figure out something to help them. I don't know what the "fix" is, but someone on that staff had better figure out something.
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It's the NFL. A win is a win.
Exactly. There are no polls, there are no computer rankings. All games count the same. Just win, baby.
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I don't blame the players too much. They are what they are...young and inexperienced. But they're getting abused by everyone, including Arena League refugees. The coaches have *got* to figure out something to help them. I don't know what the "fix" is, but someone on that staff had better figure out something.
One dose of Romotussin should clear it right up.
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I don't blame the players too much. They are what they are...young and inexperienced. But they're getting abused by everyone, including Arena League refugees. The coaches have *got* to figure out something to help them. I don't know what the "fix" is, but someone on that staff had better figure out something.
The fix is pressure. Manning and McNabb are no Arena refugees, but they fall under pressure just like the rest of e'm.
Pressure will improve when Cushing returns.
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I don't blame the players too much. They are what they are...young and inexperienced. But they're getting abused by everyone, including Arena League refugees. The coaches have *got* to figure out something to help them. I don't know what the "fix" is, but someone on that staff had better figure out something.
I hate to bitch after a nice win....but I know what your are thinking as am I. I have been giving Kubs the benefit of the doubt, but his play calling (or his offensive coordinators play calling) Leaves much to be desired. That 53 yrd field goal (or horrible punt) in OT should have been from much closer. Mix in a freaking run when the opponent thinks you are passing. Another thing, does our defense coordinator not understand that a well timed blitz would help the secondary. Conservative football drives me to drink.
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And one other thing, I was so mad about not trying to kick that fieldgoal that I was almost kicked my dog. Then that horendous (sp) punt. If you don't thing your kicker can make it, then have your punter (turk sucks) punt it out of bounds or go for it. It worked out, but..well I cant believe it did. These decisions will come back and bit this team. Okay I am done.
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Conservative football drives me to drink.
Yeah, that is what causes you to drink.
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In UH news: Both Keenum (torn ACL) and Turner (fractured clavicle) are out for the year. When was the last time a football team lost both its starter and backup QBs for the season in the same game? Holy fuck.
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In UH news: Both Keenum (torn ACL) and Turner (fractured clavicle) are out for the year. When was the last time a football team lost both its starter and backup QBs for the season in the same game? Holy fuck.
You just had to fucking go there. Might need to pull out the bottle I have stashed here at work.
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Yeah, that is what causes you to drink.
Touche.
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It's the NFL. A win is a win. Every team has holes, and it's pretty obvious the Texans' secondary is the hole on this team.
Not suggesting that the Texans secondary is the best in the biz, nor that I have much technical knowledge on the matter, but they have just faced two of the premier passers in the history of game. And beaten them.
Did you notice how the Redskins' defense shut down Dallas last week, yet got burned by Schaub for ~500 yards?
Let's see how the Cowgirls do next week. If Homo has a good day, then we'll know better.
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In UH news: Both Keenum (torn ACL) and Turner (fractured clavicle) are out for the year. When was the last time a football team lost both its starter and backup QBs for the season in the same game? Holy fuck.
You need to take OSF off of ignore.
I might have missed this elsewhere, but Keenum is done for the season after tearing his ACL in the 2nd quarter. Backup quarterback Cotton Turner will miss the rest of the season after fracturing his clavicle in the third quarter. LINK (http://www.centredaily.com/2010/09/19/2218765/houstons-keenum-tears-acl-out.html)
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You need to take OSF off of ignore.
I might have missed this elsewhere, but Keenum is done for the season after tearing his ACL in the 2nd quarter. Backup quarterback Cotton Turner will miss the rest of the season after fracturing his clavicle in the third quarter. LINK (http://www.centredaily.com/2010/09/19/2218765/houstons-keenum-tears-acl-out.html)
Ah. I missed it in the Texans deluge. But still.... Holy Fuck.
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Not suggesting that the Texans secondary is the best in the biz, nor that I have much technical knowledge on the matter, but they have just faced two of the premier passers in the history of game. And beaten them.
Did you notice how the Redskins' defense shut down Dallas last week, yet got burned by Schaub for ~500 yards?
Let's see how the Cowgirls do next week. If Homo has a good day, then we'll know better.
Schaub was playing from behind, the same as Manning in week 1, so he had to throw alot of passes. And don't think the Skins are something great. They've played two games so far and tried to give them both away. The Texans were willing to take it.
I want to see the Texans next game against Indy. Peyton took his brother out to the shed last night and beat the shit out of him.
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Schaub was playing from behind, the same as Manning in week 1, so he had to throw alot of passes. And don't think the Skins are something great. They've played two games so far and tried to give them both away. The Texans were willing to take it.
I want to see the Texans next game against Indy. Peyton took his brother out to the shed last night and beat the shit out of him.
Will be hard to win in Indy.
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Ah. I missed it in the Texans deluge. But still.... Holy Fuck.
Yeah, it's been a pretty big topic here at work today. I think I've had 5 conversations about it already. Some of them even involve the ramifications to Tier One. Going to be an interesting week...
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Will be hard to win in Indy.
Uh, yeah.
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Some of them even involve the ramifications to Tier One.
How so?
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Not suggesting that the Texans secondary is the best in the biz, nor that I have much technical knowledge on the matter, but they have just faced two of the premier passers in the history of game. And beaten them.
They have beaten them because their offense has saved their collective ass. It's like winning a baseball game 15-13 and then saying "nothing wrong with our pitching..."
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Yeah, it's been a pretty big topic here at work today. I think I've had 5 conversations about it already. Some of them even involve the ramifications to Tier One. Going to be an interesting week...
Don't think it will effect Tier One, but you work there so what do I know. Now conference realignment..yeah. I am looking forward to seeing Broadway and Piland play.
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How so?
When the team wins, money (contributions, endowments, etc.) comes in. That money helps Tier One. Plus the national recognition.
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When the team wins, money (contributions, endowments, etc.) comes in. That money helps Tier One. Plus the national recognition.
UH is still more than capable of winning the conference.
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I want to see the Texans next game against Indy. Peyton took his brother out to the shed last night and beat the shit out of him.
So, your acid test for the Texans is how they do on the road against the team that was ranked #1 by many before last week?
I'm sure the UofH students are happy you don't get to mark their papers!
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So, your acid test for the Texans is how they do on the road against the team that was ranked #1 by many before last week?
I'm sure the UofH students are happy you don't get to mark their papers!
I'm sure they are glad also.
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When was the last time a football team lost both its starter and backup QBs for the season in the same game? Holy fuck.
Well, there was this game between #5 Texas and #2 Oklahoma in 1977 (http://www.texassports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/092807aaa.html).
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Did you notice how the Redskins' defense shut down Dallas last week, yet got burned by Schaub for ~500 yards?
Dallas shut Dallas down last week. The 'Skins gave up almost 400 yards in last weeks win. Dallas will move the ball against the Texans and the Texans will move the ball against the Cowboys - and both coaches will try their damdest to give the game away. I think Dallas has a better chance of winning this game standing at 0-2 (I actually had this one as an L when the schedule came out, but I also had them 2-0 at this point).
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Dallas shut Dallas down last week. The 'Skins gave up almost 400 yards in last weeks win. Dallas will move the ball against the Texans and the Texans will move the ball against the Cowboys - and both coaches will try their damdest to give the game away. I think Dallas has a better chance of winning this game standing at 0-2 (I actually had this one as an L when the schedule came out, but I also had them 2-0 at this point).
Dallas will have trouble with the pass rush as their O line is bad. It is very hard to run on the Texans dfense, so that is out. Your QB sucks. Not saying that the Texans will win, but they should.
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My prediction - dallas loses, wade phillips fired, jason garrett (who appears to be the biggest problem) promoted to head coach
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My prediction - dallas loses, wade phillips fired, jason garrett (who appears to be the biggest problem) promoted to head coach
this will cause me to end up in jail, as I will have been accessory to murder. Jason Garrett sucks at play calling. He's worse than Kubiak.
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He's worse than Kubiak.
You might as well have just slapped HH in the face with an iron glove. This aggression will not stand.
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Schaub was playing from behind, the same as Manning in week 1, so he had to throw alot of passes. And don't think the Skins are something great. They've played two games so far and tried to give them both away. The Texans were willing to take it.
I want to see the Texans next game against Indy. Peyton took his brother out to the shed last night and beat the shit out of him.
Texans (like the Titans, Jags, Patriots, Chargers, etc.) are obviously far better prepared for what the Colts offer than the Giants and many other teams that will play them this year. On the broadcast last night, the announcers kept talking about how The Colts were so well prepared for the Giants trying to run over them like the Texans did, but it wasn't as simple as the Texans just "running over" the Colts. The Texans zone blocking scheme is perfectly suited to catching The Colts aggressive d-line off-balance, Andre Johnson and Kevin Walter are often called in to block like tight ends on running plays which creates extra cut-back lanes, and our backs make their breaks and hit the hole fast which neutralizes the colts' read and react linebackers. On defense, Texans know to be patient and not allow Peyton quick scores even if it means giving up easy yards underneath. I don't think the Texans will beat the Colts in Indy, but they'll definitely be a lot more competitive.
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this will cause me to end up in jail, as I will have been accessory to murder. Jason Garrett sucks at play calling. He's worse than Kubiak.
If that happens. maybe Kubs will hire Wade as the d coordinator.
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Dallas will have trouble with the pass rush as their O line is bad. It is very hard to run on the Texans dfense, so that is out. Your QB sucks. Not saying that the Texans will win, but they should.
#1 O-line will be complete for the second time this season.
#2 the Dallas D has only allowed 127 yards rushing for the season.
#3 sporadic doesn't like me to comment on Romo
#4 DeMarcus Ware is a beast. And Spears on the other side is no slouch.
#5 As long as Mike Jenkins in the secondary is okay, I'll take my secondary over yours.
#6 coaches for both teams suck.
#7 Dallas may or may not have a good kicker.
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What team does good play-calling? Peyton Manning? It seems a common complaint these days, but are the Texans/Cowboys/UT especially bad compared to others?
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What team does good play-calling? Peyton Manning? It seems a common complaint these days, but are the Texans/Cowboys/UT especially bad compared to others?
The Titans are very good at play calling, until Jeff Fisher remembers that he hates Vince Young.
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#2 the Dallas D has only allowed 127 yards rushing for the season.
#4 DeMarcus Ware is a beast. And Spears on the other side is no slouch.
#5 As long as Mike Jenkins in the secondary is okay, I'll take my secondary over yours.
And yet Jay freaking Cutler torched them yesterday.
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The Titans are very good at play calling, until Jeff Fisher remembers that he hates Vince Young.
Jets on Dfense + Play calls.
New Orleans on Offense ++ play calls..
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And yet Jay freaking Cutler torched them yesterday.
Yeah, he beat them and he was getting pounded in the first half. Mind you Ware was on the sideline for one of the TDs. I am unsure why. I admit the Cowboys have some problems (ha, more like a lot) but they aren't complete disasters. Romo's 2 INTs did help with field position for Cutler also.
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The Titans are very good at play calling, until Jeff Fisher remembers that he hates Vince Young.
Hates him = let's him try to pass.
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#1 O-line will be complete for the second time this season.
#2 the Dallas D has only allowed 127 yards rushing for the season.
#3 sporadic doesn't like me to comment on Romo
#4 DeMarcus Ware is a beast. And Spears on the other side is no slouch.
#5 As long as Mike Jenkins in the secondary is okay, I'll take my secondary over yours.
#6 coaches for both teams suck.
#7 Dallas may or may not have a good kicker.
The game will come down to the team that is least badly coached.
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I think Dallas has a better chance of winning this game standing at 0-2 (I actually had this one as an L when the schedule came out, but I also had them 2-0 at this point).
Out of curiosity, what have you seen from the Cowboys so far that makes you think 0-2 is where they need to be in order to beat the 2-0 Texans?
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You might as well have just slapped HH in the face with an iron glove. This aggression will not stand.
Kubiak is not a horrible play caller. He's a horrible decision maker.
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Out of curiosity, what have you seen from the Cowboys so far that makes you think 0-2 is where they need to be in order to beat the 2-0 Texans?
Desperation will only increase the style of undisciplined recklessness they play with already. Can Kubiak handle that kind of unpredictability?
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Kubiak is not a horrible play caller. He's a horrible decision maker.
And he no longer calls plays..just makes decisions.
Oh and One more rant
Watch the damn field goal attempts....pussy.
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Still can't believe Kubiak didn't kick that field goal. Still can't believe the Texans won.
I can. In fact, I said "punt it, please!" when that 3rd down bootleg play fell incomplete because there's no fucking way Neil Rackers makes a 53yd FG on the road to win a game for the Texans. You'd think most, if not all, Texans fans remember all the negative results in OT and would be likewise pessimistic about the chance that kicks goes through and the team walks off the field winners. Instead everyone's bashing Kubiak for a smart, conservative decision that gave his team the best chance to win. I thought it was the right call then and I still do now. It would've been even better if Turk hadn't shat himself on the punt.
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Out of curiosity, what have you seen from the Cowboys so far that makes you think 0-2 is where they need to be in order to beat the 2-0 Texans?
because they may get their heads out of their asses and play with a little desperation. Dallas gets complacent when they are playing well (and it seems they are complacent playing poorly now, as well). They played two absolutely wretched games, and still had chances to win both of them. If they play a clean game, I think they win this week. Their D matches up well with pass happy teams. They had a field day last year with Philly (X3) and NO. I like their chances if they can keep Foster & Slaton in check.
And, BG, I think Romo gets way too much praise and grief. Both picks yesterday were off tipped passes (one was a very good pass, the other questionable, but should not have resulted in an INT)
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I can. In fact, I said "punt it, please!" when that 3rd down bootleg play fell incomplete because there's now fucking way Neil Rackers makes a 53yd FG on the road to win a game for the Texans. You'd think most, if not all, Texans fans remember all the negative results in OT and would be likewise pessimistic about the chance that kicks goes through and the team walks off the field winners. Instead everyone's bashing Kubiak for a smart, conservative decision that gave his team the best chance to win. I thought it was the right call then and I still do now. It would've been even better if Turk hadn't shat himself on the punt.
I can agree with all of this after the fact. At the time I wanted them to try and winsteal the game..
Kubs Icing of the Washington kicker was brilliant.
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because they may get their heads out of their asses and play with a little desperation. Dallas gets complacent when they are playing well (and it seems they are complacent playing poorly now, as well). They played two absolutely wretched games, and still had chances to win both of them. If they play a clean game, I think they win this week. Their D matches up well with pass happy teams. They had a field day last year with Philly (X3) and NO. I like their chances if they can keep Foster & Slaton in check.
And, BG, I think Romo gets way too much praise and grief. Both picks yesterday were off tipped passes (one was a very good pass, the other questionable, but should not have resulted in an INT)
whom tipped them? Williams?
Is Witten (sp) out?
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I can. In fact, I said "punt it, please!"
Why am I not surprised.
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Kubs Icing of the Washington kicker was brilliant.
Clockblock
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whom tipped them? Williams?
Is Witten (sp) out?
Witten reached back and tipped one right to the DB. I forget who tipped the other, but it was not off target
Witten got pulled yesterday after banging his head on the turf. Came up woozy and the docs would not let him back in the game. he was none too pleased about it, eiter. I thought he was going to mame that poor doctor.
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Witten reached back and tipped one right to the DB. I forget who tipped the other, but it was not off target
Witten got pulled yesterday after banging his head on the turf. Came up woozy and the docs would not let him back in the game. he was none too pleased about it, eiter. I thought he was going to mame that poor doctor.
so chances are he plays. I personally want the girls at full speed, so there can't be any excuses.
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And, BG, I think Romo gets way too much praise and grief. Both picks yesterday were off tipped passes (one was a very good pass, the other questionable, but should not have resulted in an INT)
If I remember correctly, one of the INTs went through Austin's hands.
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I can agree with all of this after the fact. At the time I wanted them to try and winsteal the game..
Kubs Icing of the Washington kicker was brilliant.
See that's the thing I don't get.... how could any Texans fan remotely believe Rackers would've made that kick? I am an unabashed homer who generally thinks positively about my sports teams, but even I couldn't let myself believe that I'd see Rackers hit a kick from that distance when I've been kicked in the gut repeatedly by Kris Brown. So, you're left with three realistic choices--1) punt and try to pin them back; 2) fake the FG; 3) go for it on fourth down.
A fake FG would've been almost unthinkably suicidal at that point. I can only imagine how badly that could've turned out (see e.g., RB Chris Brown's terrible pass attempt vs. JAC last season). Going for it on fourth down was a consideration, but the Redskins had that 3rd down play sniffed out pretty well. The safe call was the punt. Extend the game and let your defense try to make a play.
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A fake FG would've been almost unthinkably suicidal at that point. I can only imagine how badly that could've turned out (see e.g., RB Chris Brown's terrible pass attempt vs. JAC last season). Going for it on fourth down was a consideration, but the Redskins had that 3rd down play sniffed out pretty well. The safe call was the punt. Extend the game and let your defense try to make a play.
I'm no expert, but I think punting in that situation in a game that is decided by sudden death rules isn't the right call. Kick the FG or line-up in the normal offense and go for it.
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I can. In fact, I said "punt it, please!" when that 3rd down bootleg play fell incomplete because there's no fucking way Neil Rackers makes a 53yd FG on the road to win a game for the Texans. You'd think most, if not all, Texans fans remember all the negative results in OT and would be likewise pessimistic about the chance that kicks goes through and the team walks off the field winners. Instead everyone's bashing Kubiak for a smart, conservative decision that gave his team the best chance to win. I thought it was the right call then and I still do now. It would've been even better if Turk hadn't shat himself on the punt.
I would certainly not be making such a decision based off of Texans' history kicking or in OT. That's closer to making a decision based on superstition rather than facts. Might as well be questioning what underwear you're wearing. It's the 2nd game of THIS season with THIS year's team and this year's kicker. Also, if you don't have confidence in your kicker to make a road game winning 53 yard field goal in the NFL, you have the wrong guy.
I have to believe he made the call because of confidence in his D to improve his odds. I disagreed with it then, and do now, but to be fair, he did get unlucky with that stupid fucking spearing call. Otherwise, it likely would have been a punt to turn the ball back over to the Texans rather than a missed field goal.
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See that's the thing I don't get.... how could any Texans fan remotely believe Rackers would've made that kick? I am an unabashed homer who generally thinks positively about my sports teams, but even I couldn't let myself believe that I'd see Rackers hit a kick from that distance when I've been kicked in the gut repeatedly by Kris Brown. So, you're left with three realistic choices--1) punt and try to pin them back; 2) fake the FG; 3) go for it on fourth down.
A fake FG would've been almost unthinkably suicidal at that point. I can only imagine how badly that could've turned out (see e.g., RB Chris Brown's terrible pass attempt vs. JAC last season). Going for it on fourth down was a consideration, but the Redskins had that 3rd down play sniffed out pretty well. The safe call was the punt. Extend the game and let your defense try to make a play.
I was already pissed by the conservative play call to end regulation. I..like most fans, am emotionally charged while the game is going on. In retrospect, I think he made the right call. Turk needs to aim for the sidelines, Just like Slaton needs to learn how to return kicks (one yard line...pffffttt).
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I'm no expert, but I think punting in that situation in a game that is decided by sudden death rules isn't the right call. Kick the FG or line-up in the normal offense and go for it.
Well, the whole sudden death thing also means you try not to make dumb decisions that could give Donovan McNabb a 25yd field with which to win the game. Two of those choices would've been needlessly risky and dumb. The safe play was the one Kubiak called. If you don't have a kicker that can hit from that distance into the wind, punt the fucking football.
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I would certainly not be making such a decision based off of Texans' history kicking or in OT. That's closer to making a decision based on superstition rather than facts. Might as well be questioning what underwear you're wearing. It's the 2nd game of THIS season with THIS year's team and this year's kicker. Also, if you don't have confidence in your kicker to make a road game winning 53 yard field goal in the NFL, you have the wrong guy.
I have to believe he made the call because of confidence in his D to improve his odds. I disagreed with it then, and do now, but to be fair, he did get unlucky with that stupid fucking spearing call. Otherwise, it likely would have been a punt to turn the ball back over to the Texans rather than a missed field goal.
Rackers was brought in for his accuracy inside the 45 yard line. Brown had a better leg, but lost his confidence. I am sure the Texans will continue to look for the perfect kicker in the off season.
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See that's the thing I don't get.... how could any Texans fan remotely believe Rackers would've made that kick? I am an unabashed homer who generally thinks positively about my sports teams, but even I couldn't let myself believe that I'd see Rackers hit a kick from that distance when I've been kicked in the gut repeatedly by Kris Brown.
Letting your emotions about a player no longer on the team make poor strategic decisions for you is *your* problem. That doesn't make it good football. It's the NFL. It's overtime. It's a 50-yard FG. You kick the fucking ball.
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It's the NFL. It's overtime. It's a 50-yard FG. You kick the fucking ball.
How well did it work out for Shanahan?
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I would certainly not be making such a decision based off of Texans' history kicking or in OT. That's closer to making a decision based on superstition rather than facts.
Absolutely yes. I only mentioned the past because it informs how us fans view the present. If you've seen the script unfolding before you, it's generally hard to believe the result will be any different, which is why I'm surprised so many thought in the moment that it was a crazy decision to punt.
Also, if you don't have confidence in your kicker to make a road game winning 53 yard field goal in the NFL, you have the wrong guy.
Then we have the wrong kicker for you. If you've paid attention to Rackers throughout his career, it's well known that he's not a distance kicker. He's an accurate kicker with limited range. It was a trade off the organization was willing to make because the chances are better that he will be mostly kicking from inside 45 yds than outside 50. That's why they gave him the job over Kris Brown.
I have to believe he made the call because of confidence in his D to improve his odds. I disagreed with it then, and do now, but to be fair, he did get unlucky with that stupid fucking spearing call. Otherwise, it likely would have been a punt to turn the ball back over to the Texans rather than a missed field goal.
Good point. Kubiak sent a message to his defense that he believed in them to get the job done. They did. I think this is going to prove to be a key game in shaping the psyche of this team.
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Letting your emotions about a player no longer on the team make poor strategic decisions for you is *your* problem. That doesn't make it good football. It's the NFL. It's overtime. It's a 50-yard FG. You kick the fucking ball.
Rackers is not that kicker, HH.
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Then we have the wrong kicker for you. If you've paid attention to Rackers throughout his career, it's well known that he's not a distance kicker. He's an accurate kicker with limited range. It was a trade off the organization was willing to make because the chances are better that he will be mostly kicking from inside 45 yds than outside 50. That's why they gave him the job over Kris Brown.
This.
The problem was not the call. The problem was the failure of execution on the punt.
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This.
The problem was not the call. The problem was the failure of execution on the punt.
exactly. If Turk nails them insode the 10 yr line, then everyone is happy. And that roughing the passer...cmon man!
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How well did it work out for Shanahan?
That's irrelevant. It's the right call.
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That's irrelevant. It's the right call.
If you have the right kicker.
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That's irrelevant.
The potential impact if you miss the kick is not irrelevant.
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exactly. If Turk nails them insode the 10 yr line, then everyone is happy. And that roughing the passer...cmon man!
I'm not. A good result from the punt does not excuse Kubiak's idiocy on the initial play call.
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The potential impact if you miss the kick is not irrelevant.
But you can't look at the result and say it was a bad call. That's like saying they Colts shouldn't have started Peyton Manning against the Texans...after all, it didn't work out.
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The potential impact if you miss the kick is not irrelevant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58I
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If you have the right kicker.
If you have an NFL kicker. Which the Texans do. Rackers is perfectly capable of making that field goal.
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Absolutely yes. I only mentioned the past because it informs how us fans view the present. If you've seen the script unfolding before you, it's generally hard to believe the result will be any different, which is why I'm surprised so many thought in the moment that it was a crazy decision to punt.
I thought we were talking about a logical coaching decision, not a fan's batshit crazy irrational emotional bias. My bad.
As for the 50+ yard accuracy leading to the call, I stand corrected. That makes sense if the Texans knew they were bringing on a kicker with no expectations for him from that distance.
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That's irrelevant. It's the right call.
Bullfuckingshit. Who won the game?
The right call is the one that takes all the relevant facts into account and balances the risks and rewards. You don't kick a 53 yd FG attempt into the wind with a kicker who can barely clear 50 on a good day. That does not give your team the best chance to win.
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I'm not. A good result from the punt does not excuse Kubiak's idiocy on the initial play call.
Well, I can see we won't get anywhere with this argument. I think it was the right call for the situation.
The thing that really bugs the hell out of me with Kubiak is his conservative play calling, (both offensively and defensively) if he is making the calls. Why at the end of regulation are you letting the clock tick off and jogging to the line. Win the fucking game.
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Bullfuckingshit. Who won the game?
So you're saying it was a mistake for Shanahan to start Donovan McNabb? You're saying Steve Slaton's fielding the kickoff at the 1 foot line was smart? Just because you won the game does not mean every call you made was a smart one. Pull your head out of your ass. For once.
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Why at the end of regulation are you letting the clock tick off and jogging to the line. Win the fucking game.
Dallas, week 1, end of Q2.
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If you have an NFL kicker. Which the Texans do. Rackers is perfectly capable of making that field goal.
Really? Do you not understand he was kicking into the wind? Did you not see his 52 yd FG inside the Superdome barely clear the crossbar by a matter of inches? Did you not see him already miss a long FG earlier in the game?
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Rackers is perfectly capable of making that field goal.
2009: No 50+ attemps
2008: 1 of 2
2007: 3 of 9
2006: 1 of 7
It is just slightly possible that Kubiak knows his kicker better than you do.
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Dallas, week 1, end of Q2.
bullshit. You are on the road, hostile environment, at the end of regulation in a tied ballgame. Win the game.
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Really? Do you not understand he was kicking into the wind? Did you not see his 52 yd FG inside the Superdome barely clear the crossbar by a matter of inches? Did you not see him already miss a long FG earlier in the game?
1. There was little or no wind.
2. Past performance is not a guarantee of future results.
3. The miss earlier in the game was not short of the goal posts.
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But you can't look at the result and say it was a bad call.
I'm not looking at the result. I'm saying that missing the kick is an easily foreseeable result, and that you must make your decision with that in mind.
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2009: No 50+ attemps
2008: 1 of 2
2007: 3 of 9
2006: 1 of 7
It is just slightly possible that Kubiak knows his kicker better than you do.
It's slightly possible that Kubiak knows anything. But I wouldn't bet on it. And I didn't say it was a chip shot.
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I'm not looking at the result. I'm saying that missing the kick is an easily foreseeable result, and that you must make your decision with that in mind.
No, you said the Redskins missed their kick; therefore, Rackers would have missed his. More or less.
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It's slightly possible that Kubiak knows anything. But I wouldn't bet on it. And I didn't say it was a chip shot.
Kubiak could come up with a plan to eliminate the federal deficit in 2 years that made 99% of Americans blissfully happy, and you would say he's a fucking moron because he wouldn't get it done in a year.
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from chron.com (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7208763.html)
Kubiak surely understood that his sending out punter Matt Turk instead of Rackers might be misinterpreted, but head coaches are paid a lot of money to make those kind of decisions. Kubiak said he went "with my gut," and he wound up looking like a genius.
"There was a little breeze coming that way (into Rackers' face)," Kubiak said. "If you miss that (from the Redskins' 34), they've got to go 20 yards to beat us. I felt good about our defense. I thought they'd made a few nice stops in the quarter. It's one of those things that just worked out. If it doesn't work out, it's not good, but it worked out.
"(Rackers) said, 'Coach, I'm OK. I'm good. But there was obviously a breeze coming from that end because all the kickoffs coming from the other way were so much longer. He told me after the game, 'You know I would have made that.' I said, 'Well, now you tell me.' "
Turk's punt landed in the end zone despite the Texans drawing a deliberate delay-of-game penalty to move him five yards further back, so the Redskins took over at the 20, just 14 yards from where they would have been had Kubiak let Rackers kick. Turk was mad at himself for not burying Washington, but he praised Kubiak's thought process.
"That was just the call made by the head coach, and it ended up being a great call," he said. "It was borderline, right at the cutoff distance (for a field goal). We were going into a little breeze, and if you don't hit it perfectly clean, the ball doesn't go anywhere. I'm not happy with the punt, but I'm happy with the end result."
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Kubiak could come up with a plan to eliminate the federal deficit in 2 years that made 99% of Americans blissfully happy, and you would say he's a fucking moron because he wouldn't get it done in a year.
Right. My gripe with Kubiak is that this is his first season, and he hasn't won a Super Bowl yet. Way to pay attention.
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No, you said the Redskins missed their kick; therefore, Rackers would have missed his. More or less.
Your reading comprehension is clearly lacking today.
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Absolutely yes. I only mentioned the past because it informs how us fans view the present. If you've seen the script unfolding before you, it's generally hard to believe the result will be any different, which is why I'm surprised so many thought in the moment that it was a crazy decision to punt.
You say this and yet you are trying to win an argument with HH.
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Your reading comprehension is clearly lacking today.
Did you or did you not type:
"How well did it work out for Shanahan?"
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It's slightly possible that Kubiak knows anything. But I wouldn't bet on it. And I didn't say it was a chip shot.
It's greater than slightly possible that you know very little, as evidenced by your repeatedly wrong assessment of Matt Schaub and David Carr. Now it's Kubiak's turn to prove your stubborn old ass wrong again.
No, you didn't say it was a chip shot, you said it was a 50 yd FG. It was actually three yards longer, which is considerable at that distance.
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Just think what kind of argument would be taking place if the Texans had lost.
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It's greater than slightly possible that you know very little, as evidenced by your repeatedly wrong assessment of Matt Schaub and David Carr. Now it's Kubiak's turn to prove your stubborn old ass wrong again.
Wrong in the minds of dipshits like you who think Kris Brown missing a field goal last year has any bearing on whether or not Neil Rackers will make one this year.
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Wrong in the minds of dipshits like you who think Kris Brown missing a field goal last year has any bearing on whether or not Neil Rackers will make one this year.
If Brown was on the team, I bet Kubs would have tried it.
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I thought we were talking about a logical coaching decision, not a fan's batshit crazy irrational emotional bias. My bad.
As for the 50+ yard accuracy leading to the call, I stand corrected. That makes sense if the Texans knew they were bringing on a kicker with no expectations for him from that distance.
The Texans knew that about Rackers, as did this "batshit crazy" fan who's had him on his fantasy team in previous years. Maybe that's why I was the only one in the bar who knew punting was the correct call to make.
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Did you or did you not type:
"How well did it work out for Shanahan?"
Correct. How well did the decision to kick work for him? As in, what happens to your team if you miss? Is it more likely than not that you will make the 50+ yard field goal? Is the likelihood that your defense can get the ball back on a full field more or less than the likelihood that your kicker can make a field goal of that distance?
Kubiak knows that his kicker is poor from over 50 yards. He knows (as he stated) that a miss from 54 gives the Redskins a very, very short field. (Note that the Skins would have had a 40-yarder for the win if Rackers had missed, instead of the punt).
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Just think what kind of argument would be taking place if the Texans had lost.
You guys are gonna drive me to drinkin'.
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Correct. How well did the decision to kick work for him? As in, what happens to your team if you miss?
So you typed "how well did it work out", but you in no way were referring to the result? You're crawfishing now.
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You guys are gonna drive me to drinkin'.
Havent we already?
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The Texans knew that about Rackers, as did this "batshit crazy" fan who's had him on his fantasy team in previous years. Maybe that's why I was the only one in the bar who knew punting was the correct call to make.
Holy shit!!! You have a fantasy team? Well why didn't you say so before, coach? This changes everything.
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Havent we already?
Right now I only drink for pleasure.
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Right now I only drink for pleasure.
It works for pain as well, at least for a little while.
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(Note that the Skins would have had a 40-yarder for the win if Rackers had missed, instead of the punt).
Oh come on. I know your logic isn't this bad.
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Wrong in the minds of dipshits like you who think Kris Brown missing a field goal last year has any bearing on whether or not Neil Rackers will make one this year.
As I've already stated, I was referring to the fan response in the moment that decision was made. How could any Texans fan remotely bring themselves to believe a Texans kicker would line up a hit that kick in that situation? Texans fans are a horribly pessimistic lot, yet everyone got wildly positive real quick expecting a miracle kick that a guy like Rackers was not at all likely to make?
Fan emotion aside, Kubiak knew his kicker's history, as did I. You clearly don't.
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As I've already stated, I was referring to the fan response in the moment that decision was made. How could any Texans fan remotely bring themselves to believe a Texans kicker would line up a hit that kick in that situation?
Because we're not all idiots.
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You say this and yet you are trying to win an argument with HH.
Nominated.
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Because we're not all idiots.
Says the guy stomping his foot and praying for a miracle play with :03 seconds on the clock with the Texans on their own 30yd line. THROW A HAIL MARRY THAT ALWAYS WORKS!!!
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So you typed "how well did it work out", but you in no way were referring to the result? You're crawfishing now.
Bullshit. I'll admit that it doesn't give a high level of detail, but given everything else I've said on the subject, you're just being willfully stubborn.
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Oh come on. I know your logic isn't this bad.
And I know that your logic isn't bad enough to make a play with less than 25% chance of success, when its failure greatly increases your chances of losing, and yet here we are.
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Just think what kind of argument would be taking place if the Texans had lost.
They had no business winning that game, but good teams find ways to win messy games. I believe it is now safe to say this is a good team with a strong coaching staff. Redskins fans must be apoplectic over losing that game.
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Bullshit. I'll admit that it doesn't give a high level of detail, but given everything else I've said on the subject, you're just being willfully stubborn.
I'm just reading what you write. So what is "it" that did/didn't work out, if not the result?
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And I know that your logic isn't bad enough to make a play with less than 25% chance of success, when its failure greatly increases your chances of losing, and yet here we are.
1. I don't believe the chance was less than 25%
2. The punt gained them a whopping 15 yards. If you believe that strongly in your defense, an extra 15 yards is meaningless.
3. That very well could have been your only chance to win the game. In fact, if the Redskins don't miss that second attempt, it was. You don't pass up a perfectly good chance to win that game.
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Says the guy stomping his foot and praying for a miracle play with :03 seconds on the clock with the Texans on their own 30yd line. THROW A HAIL MARRY THAT ALWAYS WORKS!!!
They were at the 36. And I never said it ALWAYS WORKS. You must have gone to the Dan Fouts school of football knowledge.
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I'm just reading what you write.
Your forgot "selectively". I wont FIFY, since you get your panties in a bunch about that, oo.
So what is "it" that did/didn't work out, if not the result?
The result demonstrates the possibility that Kubiak was dealing with in his decision making process. You're either unwilling, or unable, to process the possibility that a kicker who has missed 15 of his last 20 kicks from 50+ yards would miss again.
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1. I don't believe the chance was less than 25%
So we're back to "HH knows Rackers' abilities better than his own coach".
2. The punt gained them a whopping 15 yards. If you believe that strongly in your defense, an extra 15 yards is meaningless.
It seems to me that you're criticizing the RESULT of the punt.
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Your forgot "selectively". I wont FIFY, since you get your panties in a bunch about that, oo.
The result demonstrates the possibility that Kubiak was dealing with in his decision making process. You're either unwilling, or unable, to process the possibility that a kicker who has missed 15 of his last 20 kicks from 50+ yards would miss again.
No, you're unwilling or unable to process the possibility that he could make it. And forget the result. Again, you can't judge the wisdom of the decision based on the result. So now we're back to where we were.
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So we're back to "HH knows Rackers' abilities better than his own coach".
Better than Kubiak? Absolutely.
It seems to me that you're criticizing the RESULT of the punt.
No, I'm criticising the fact that it was even attempted. If Turk puts it on the 1-yard line, it's still a dumb call.
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They were at the 36. And I never said it ALWAYS WORKS. You must have gone to the Dan Fouts school of football knowledge.
I'm just reading what you write. You did throw your silly old man temper tantrum, no? OMG KUBIAK IS HORRIBLE HOW DARE HE NOT RUN A PLAY HERE!!!!
Again, risks vs. rewards. You are not going to score from seventy yards out with :03 on the clock, and running a play only increases the risks of somebody getting hurt or turning the ball over for a TD the other way. Ask Dallas fans about that.
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Better than Kubiak? Absolutely.
No, I'm criticising the fact that it was even attempted. If Turk puts it on the 1-yard line, it's still a dumb call.
BWHAAHAHAHA
Drinking early today, HH?
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No, you're unwilling or unable to process the possibility that he could make it.
http://www.spikesnstars.com/forums/index.php?topic=111635.msg351339#msg351339
Is it more likely than not that you will make the 50+ yard field goal? Is the likelihood that your defense can get the ball back on a full field more or less than the likelihood that your kicker can make a field goal of that distance?
As I said, reading comprehension is failing you today.
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Better than Kubiak? Absolutely.
You would run a Clark for claiming this about any manager, including Cooper.
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I'm just reading what you write. You did throw your silly old man temper tantrum, no? OMG KUBIAK IS HORRIBLE HOW DARE HE NOT RUN A PLAY HERE!!!!
You have a point?
Again, risks vs. rewards. You are not going to score from seventy yards out with :03 on the clock, and running a play only increases the risks of somebody getting hurt or turning the ball over for a TD the other way. Ask Dallas fans about that.
They weren't 70 yards away, they were 64. And you don't have to score on that play. Seriously...have you ever watched a football game, or do you just play fantasy?
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You would run a Clark for claiming this about any manager, including Cooper.
No, I wouldn't, not for that anyway. But I'm absolutely convinced that I know more about managing a football game than Gary Kubiak. There is no doubt in my mind. You may disagree.
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As I said, reading comprehension is failing you today.
No, you're crawfishing because you know your logic is fucked up.
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No, you're unwilling or unable to process the possibility that he could make it. And forget the result. Again, you can't judge the wisdom of the decision based on the result. So now we're back to where we were.
You are now completely blowing shit out of your ass.
Rackers is not a distance kicker. He is an accuracy kicker. He made that preseason 52 yd kick from indoors, on turf, literally by inches...and you think he has a good chance to make a longer kick in tougher conditions?
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No, you're crawfishing because you know your logic is fucked up.
Your statement was an out and out lie. I demonstrated it. Everyone else can see it. But you're too proud of your stubborn contrarian arguments to admit when you're a liar.
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They have beaten them because their offense has saved their collective ass. It's like winning a baseball game 15-13 and then saying "nothing wrong with our pitching..."
Right. But I'd like to see how the secondary performs against non-HoF QBs before I assume that they're fundamentally flawed. Not saying that they aren't, but from my layman's viewpoint, I haven't really seen them tripping on their dicks and giving up yards on clearly blown assignments / formations.
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You have a point?
Yes. You have a tree limb embedded in your rectal cavity. Get over being wrong. It's ok.
They weren't 70 yards away, they were 64. And you don't have to score on that play. Seriously...have you ever watched a football game, or do you just play fantasy?
If you're not trying to score with three seconds left, what's the point? To draw a penalty? Sure, you can throw it up there praying for a PI call or whatnot, but you're also exposing your QB to unnecessary risk, and you're still opening yourself to the possibility of a turnover returned for a TD. BTW, where was this swashbuckling HH during last year's Jacksonville game?
You're on the road and you've battled back from a 27-10 deficit. You can afford to play it safe and win it in OT.
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The potential impact if you miss the kick is not irrelevant.
I think it was pointed out at the time that the 'Skins needed two plays to get back to the point on the field where they would've taken possession on a missed FG. Juss sayin'.
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No, I wouldn't, not for that anyway. But I'm absolutely convinced that I know more about managing a football game than Gary Kubiak. There is no doubt in my mind. You may disagree.
bullshit! Have you coached any football ever?
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I think it was pointed out at the time that the 'Skins needed two plays to get back to the point on the field where they would've taken possession on a missed FG. Juss sayin'.
Yeah, but that was because 1) Turk fucked up the punt, and 2) whoever it was got the idiotic spearing penalty on a sack that would have otherwise really fucked Washington. The fact that those two things happened doesn't mean that the decision to punt was clearly moronic.
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Yes. You have a tree limb embedded in your rectal cavity. Get over being wrong. It's ok.
If you're not trying to score with three seconds left, what's the point? To draw a penalty? Sure, you can throw it up there praying for a PI call or whatnot, but you're also exposing your QB to unnecessary risk, and you're still opening yourself to the possibility of a turnover returned for a TD. BTW, where was this swashbuckling HH during last year's Jacksonville game?
You're on the road and you've battled back from a 27-10 deficit. You can afford to play it safe and win it in OT.
I am not talking about the 3 second punt play. I am talking about the series of play calling that led up to the three second punt play. The punt was the right call, though I would have snapped it to my qb and had him take a knee, as the skins had no more timeouts.
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I am not talking about the 3 second punt play. I am talking about the series of play calling that led up to the three second punt play. The punt was the right call, though I would have snapped it to my qb and had him take a knee, as the skins had no more timeouts.
You might be a worse coach than Kubiak (hard to believe I know) if you don't know that the clock stops on a change of possession.
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2) whoever it was got the idiotic spearing penalty on a sack that would have otherwise really fucked Washington.
Antonio Smith. He got a few last year that were similar. Stupid.
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You might be a worse coach than Kubiak (hard to believe I know) if you don't know that the clock stops on a change of possession.
Yep got that, but the qb doesnt have to kneel right away.
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Yep got that, but the qb doesnt have to kneel right away.
Well isn't that basically what they did then? And how are the redskins timeouts relevant in that case?
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Thank Tebus it wasn't Slaton assigned to take that knee. He probably would've run out of bounds with one second left on the clock.
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Well isn't that basically what they did then? And how are the redskins timeouts relevant in that case?
I think a deep snap with Turk running around is a little more dangerous, but it worked so I am not second guessing that.
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Thank Tebus it wasn't Slaton assigned to take that knee. He probably would've run out of bounds with one second left on the clock.
I still can't believe that play. Cmon Man!
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Right. But I'd like to see how the secondary performs against non-HoF QBs before I assume that they're fundamentally flawed. Not saying that they aren't, but from my layman's viewpoint, I haven't really seen them tripping on their dicks and giving up yards on clearly blown assignments / formations.
I would agree, but it was incredible how wide open some of the Redskins receivers were
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I would agree, but it was incredible how wide open some of the Redskins receivers were
Adibi was getting burned on a regular basis. This should improve when Cush gets back.
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This should improve when Cush gets back.
This nickname always makes me think of Jerry Maguire.
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Your statement was an out and out lie. I demonstrated it. Everyone else can see it. But you're too proud of your stubborn contrarian arguments to admit when you're a liar.
My statement was 100% spot on. Everyone but you can see it. You're wrong, and you're embarassed about it. And I would respectfully request that you don't call my intergrity into question when you are so.
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Yes. You have a tree limb embedded in your rectal cavity. Get over being wrong. It's ok.
In other words, no.
If you're not trying to score with three seconds left, what's the point?
You don't have to go all 64 yards to score on that play. Seriously, are you really this stupid?
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bullshit! Have you coached any football ever?
I take it you disagree.
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I take it you disagree.
Yes. Coaching at any level is not easy. I question Kubiak and his play calling, but I am a fan. I think overall that he is an average game coach, a plus personnel person and a very good people person. His players appear to always have his back, when I have heard them talk about him. I myself have coached (all be it pee wee) and understand how hard it really is.
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Adibi was getting burned on a regular basis. This should improve when Cush gets back.
Isn't Adibi supposed to be our best cover LB? That's what worries me....
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But I'm absolutely convinced that I know more about managing a football game than Gary Kubiak. There is no doubt in my mind.
This is so cool. I haven't heard or read this sort of thing since listening and reading Charlie Pallilo on 790 the Sports Animal. I don't disagree that you're absolutely convinced that you know more about managing a football game than Gary Kubiak by the way.
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Isn't Adibi supposed to be our best cover LB? That's what worries me....
That’s what I thought as well. I had really high hopes when the Texans drafted him, but it has not completely panned out. Cushing is pretty fast for a big dude and can cover well.
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Yes. Coaching at any level is not easy. I question Kubiak and his play calling, but I am a fan. I think overall that he is an average game coach, a plus personnel person and a very good people person. His players appear to always have his back, when I have heard them talk about him. I myself have coached (all be it pee wee) and understand how hard it really is.
I coach every Sunday from my seat at Reliant or my den. I don't find it that difficult. And it's not the play calling that gets me about Kubiak, it's his total inability to manage the game. His being completely situationally unaware.
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That’s what I thought as well. I had really high hopes when the Texans drafted him, but it has not completely panned out. Cushing is pretty fast for a big dude and can cover well.
The thing I like most about Cushing is that when he hits someone, they go down. Right. Then.
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I coach every Sunday from my seat at Reliant or my den. I don't find it that difficult. And it's not the play calling that gets me about Kubiak, it's his total inability to manage the game. His being completely situationally unaware.
You are only seeing 1 part of what it means to be a coach. Good luck with that ego.
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You are only seeing 1 part of what it means to be a coach. Good luck with that ego.
Turn up your sarcasm meter.
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Turn up your sarcasm meter.
I will try. But I am still not sure you don't think you could do a better job.
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a kicker who has missed 15 of his last 20 kicks from 50+ yards would miss again.
Tell me this isn't what you used to come up with your 25% probability
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I will try. But I am still not sure you don't think you could do a better job.
Better than Kubiak at managing a game? Of course I could. He may be the only one though.
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I haven't heard or read this sort of thing since listening and reading Charlie Pallilo on 790 the Sports Animal.
How do you read a radio show?
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Better than Kubiak at managing a game? Of course I could. He may be the only one though.
Okay.
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In other words, no.
You don't have to go all 64 yards to score on that play. Seriously, are you really this stupid?
First off, go fuck yourself. Second, fuck yourself again. This time harder and with the same stubborn level of spitefucking you save for Gary Kubiak, your personal nemesis.
Do you not understand what :03 means? Or were you praying for a miracle PI penalty?
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First off, go fuck yourself. Second, fuck yourself again. This time harder and with the same stubborn level of spitefucking you save for Gary Kubiak, your personal nemesis.
Do you not understand what :03 means? Or were you praying for a miracle PI penalty?
Still don't have a point, I see. Keep typing though, you're not that far off from a monkey.
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How do you read a radio show?
Noe has skills.
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Noe has skills.
I was waiting for something along the lines of "from left to right across your radio dial."
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Still don't have a point, I see. Keep typing though, you're not that far off from a monkey.
And you need an instruction manual for your rocking chair.
Three seconds, dumb fuck.
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And you need an instruction manual for your rocking chair.
Three seconds, dumb fuck.
Yes three seconds. Nothing gets by you.
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I can just see it now. Schaub drops back to pass for a last second miracle play, gets creamed by Orakpo and separates his throwing shoulder, and HH sings Kubiak's praises.
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Yes three seconds. Nothing gets by you.
Seventy yards from the end zone. Forty yards from Rackers' FG range. But you wouldn't know that because you think he's Jason Elam.
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I can just see it now. Schaub drops back to pass for a last second miracle play, gets creamed by Orakpo and separates his throwing shoulder, and HH sings Kubiak's praises.
I keep saying that the correct decision was made on that play. It is the several plays before that I am questioning. Again I dont think Kubiak is calling the plays.
Coaching is a lot like gambling. Play the percentages sometimes you win..
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My statement was 100% spot on. Everyone but you can see it. You're wrong, and you're embarassed about it. And I would respectfully request that you don't call my intergrity into question when you are so.
Even when presented with the exact statement that shows I specifically mentioned the posibility of making the kick, you say your are 100% spot on in stating that I was unwilling or unable to consider the possibility of making the kick, and you have the nerve to talk about your integrity.
I'm done with you.
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I keep saying that the correct decision was made on that play. It is the several plays before that I am questioning. Again I dont think Kubiak is calling the plays.
Coaching is a lot like gambling. Play the percentages sometimes you win..
Vonnie Holliday made a big play with 27 seconds left on second down when he batted that pass at the line of scrimmage. Jacoby Jones was open on the sideline for a short gain which likely would've put them in a 3rd and short, if not a first down, instead of 3rd and 6.
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Vonnie Holliday made a big play with 27 seconds left on second down when he batted that pass at the line of scrimmage. Jacoby Jones was open on the sideline for a short gain which likely would've put them in a 3rd and short, if not a first down, instead of 3rd and 6.
Basically, two screen plays. The middle of the field was open all day long. Throw the ball down the field.
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Seriously, HH.
Did Kubiak make the right call? Did he step on his dick? On one hand, yes, Kubiak is an Aggie, and therefore prone to dick-stepping. On the other, he's a NFL head coach, so by title alone it's assumed he knows more about managing than the average NFL fan.
So you can handle this in two ways - 1) argue until you convince everybody here that you're right (25% odds of conversion), or 2) punt.
You have 3 seconds to decide.
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How do you read a radio show?
He has a blog (http://www.790kbme.com/pages/charliepalliloblog.html) (for his show). Aptly named the "Pallilog".
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At the time I thought it was the worst decision ever (not attmepting the FG). Since, I have called my dad...he said that it all depends on your kicker. If you think he has enough leg, kick it. If not, punt and play your butt off on defense.
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Noe has skills.
Yup, I have reading skills fer sure. Grammar not so much.
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Seventy yards from the end zone. Forty yards from Rackers' FG range. But you wouldn't know that because you think he's Jason Elam.
Not only are you stupid, but you can't add either.
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Even when presented with the exact statement that shows I specifically mentioned the posibility of making the kick, you say your are 100% spot on in stating that I was unwilling or unable to consider the possibility of making the kick, and you have the nerve to talk about your integrity.
I'm done with you.
I was 100% spot on about your flawed reasoning. But for whatever reason, you're too embarassed to admit it, and instead take refuge in calling me a liar for pointing it out to you. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
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I can just see it now. Schaub drops back to pass for a last second miracle play, gets creamed by Orakpo and separates his throwing shoulder, and HH sings Kubiak's praises.
You're right. Football is a dangerous game. They should quit trying to win, it only exacerbates the problem.
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Seriously, HH.
Did Kubiak make the right call? Did he step on his dick? On one hand, yes, Kubiak is an Aggie, and therefore prone to dick-stepping. On the other, he's a NFL head coach, so by title alone it's assumed he knows more about managing than the average NFL fan.
So you can handle this in two ways - 1) argue until you convince everybody here that you're right (25% odds of conversion), or 2) punt.
You have 3 seconds to decide.
I don't have to do either. I know I'm right. Everyone with a thimble full of football sense knows I'm right.
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I don't have to do either. I know I'm right. Everyone with a thimble full of football sense knows I'm right.
What if Rackers was born without a right leg?
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What if Rackers was born without a right leg?
Is there an NFL rule against peg-legged kickers? I know they have the Tom Dempsey rule, but not a Captain Hook rule that I can remember.
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What if Rackers was born without a right leg?
Then I'd imagine he'd be left-footed.
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Then I'd imagine he'd be left-footed.
doesn't saying someone is left footed suggest that they have a right foot as well? If you only have one leg, wouldn't you be simply "footed"?
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doesn't saying someone is left footed suggest that they have a right foot as well? If you only have one leg, wouldn't you be simply "footed"?
As a kicker, they'd be fetid
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I know I'm right. Everyone with a thimble full of football sense knows I'm right.
As long as you know you are right. The rest of us that don't agree with you are dumb asses. got it.
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As long as you know you are right. The rest of us that don't agree with you are dumb asses. got it.
No the ones of you who continue to argue untenable positions, pages and pages after your flawed logic has been pointed out to you are dumb asses.
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Kubiak's decision was defendable for multiple reasons and he was ultimately successful. I don't know how you can be so adamant that it was the wrong decision, but HH is obviously a Kubiak hater and this one was teed up for people like him.
What I do appreciate is Kubiak obviously does not give a shit about what people think of his decisions, because if that had not worked he might as well have started digging a grave for himself. If Rackers kicks and misses (which is probably what would've happened), then it's the kicker's fault and not Kubiak. Believe it or not, Kubiak was putting the team in the BEST position to win the game and would've been given 100% of the blame for the loss. He knew all this and still made the decision that he felt was right. Even though everyone thought Kubiak was a pussy for punting, it was actually the opposite.
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If Rackers kicks and misses (which is probably what would've happened)
I don't think there's any way Rackers can kick a 53-yd field goal, even with a tail wind. The biggest risk was a block, since Rackers probably would have lowered his trajectory to try to eke out every last inch. And a block probably would have put Washington close to field-goal range right away.
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No the ones of you who continue to argue untenable positions, pages and pages after your flawed logic has been pointed out to you are dumb asses.
get over yourself. Just because people don't agree with you..whatever Im done.
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No the ones of you who continue to argue untenable positions, pages and pages after your flawed logic has been pointed out to you are dumb asses.
"Put an unadulterated David Carr in this offense and his numbers are better than Schaub's. The Texans also probably make the playoffs last year with Carr. Put Schaub in the Texans' offense of 6 years ago and he's far worse." (http://www.spikesnstars.com/forums/index.php?topic=109556.msg300388#msg300388)
You are too egotistical and hard-headed to admit you've ever been wrong about anything, and you want to dish out lectures about untenable positions and flawed logic? Logical, reasoned analysis does not exist in any of your posts when the topic turns to Gary Kubiak. Just shut the fuck up already.
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Just got back to NC from Lubbock. Went to the Texas Tech-UT game w/my in-laws. They're all Red Raiders, so a Tech loss usually means an unpleasant weekend of endless bitching about refs, but they took it in stride this time. I think they were really happy about Tech showing any signs of defensive prowess.
And I'm still ecstatic about the Texans! Can't believe they actually won.
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The biggest risk was a block, since Rackers probably would have lowered his trajectory to try to eke out every last inch. And a block probably would have put Washington close to field-goal range right away.
I've been thinking about this, too, and you are absolutely right. A block was a very real possibility with a kick of that distance and a block would have been suicidal.
What's great is that after eight years we are arguing over a point in a game that some people think was badly misplayed while the rest of us think the decision making was perfectly acceptable and rational. But unlike previous post-game arguments the result of the game was a Texan win. I think we're probably all still a little in shock over that.
Ahmadinejad's on Charlie Rose. I'd been wondering what happened to Borat's gray suit.
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"Put an unadulterated David Carr in this offense and his numbers are better than Schaub's. The Texans also probably make the playoffs last year with Carr. Put Schaub in the Texans' offense of 6 years ago and he's far worse." (http://www.spikesnstars.com/forums/index.php?topic=109556.msg300388#msg300388)
You are too egotistical and hard-headed to admit you've ever been wrong about anything, and you want to dish out lectures about untenable positions and flawed logic? Logical, reasoned analysis does not exist in any of your posts when the topic turns to Gary Kubiak. Just shut the fuck up already.
Wrong about what? That statement is 100% spot on. When you learn something about football other than how to run a fantasy team, then you might have a point. Until then, I guess I'll have to continue to keep schooling your dumb ass.
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get over yourself. Just because people don't agree with you..whatever Im done.
You gonna make a point?
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Kubiak's decision was defendable for multiple reasons and he was ultimately successful.
This is the same flawed logic used by MM. You can't judge the decision based on the result. Until you realize that, you have no argument.
I don't know how you can be so adamant that it was the wrong decision, but HH is obviously a Kubiak hater and this one was teed up for people like him.
Because it was the wrong decision. And I don't like Kubiak precisely because he makes dumbshit calls. Like this one.
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You gonna make a point?
nope I am done arguing with you about this. I have not seen 1 person on this board support you, but you are smarter than everyone else. Like MM, I am done.
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nope I am done arguing with you about this. I have not seen 1 person on this board support you, but you are smarter than everyone else. Like MM, I am done.
Several people agree with me. Not that it matters though.
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Several people agree with me. Not that it matters though.
I agree with your theory, just don't agree that the Texans have the personnel to execute the play.
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I've been thinking about this, too, and you are absolutely right. A block was a very real possibility with a kick of that distance and a block would have been suicidal.
What's great is that after eight years we are arguing over a point in a game that some people think was badly misplayed while the rest of us think the decision making was perfectly acceptable and rational. But unlike previous post-game arguments the result of the game was a Texan win. I think we're probably all still a little in shock over that.
Ahmadinejad's on Charlie Rose. I'd been wondering what happened to Borat's gray suit.
Yeah, I mean what we should be arguing about is how much the Cowboys fucking suck bro and how we're gonna fucking beat their asses on sunday
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Yeah, I mean what we should be arguing about is how much the Cowboys fucking suck bro and how we're gonna fucking beat their asses on sunday
See, that's where you're mistaken. There's really not much to argue about there. Once the needle hits maximum suckitude gradations cease to be relevant.
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Wounded animal. Corner. Danger.
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Wounded animal. Corner. Danger.
Shoot the fucker.
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Shoot the fucker.
Punt, you might miss
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Punt, you might miss
not if you have a big enough gun.
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Wounded animal. Corner. Danger.
Since I presume playing "the tape" to distract Miles Austin is out of the question, can we at least have Carrie Underwood sing the national anthem?
No, I am not willing to resort to Jessica Simpson. A man has his limits.
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Since I presume playing "the tape" to distract Miles Austin is out of the question, can we at least have Carrie Underwood sing the national anthem?
No, I am not willing to resort to Jessica Simpson. A man has his limits.
Reliant will be so amped up that I don't think any distractions will be necessary.
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Reliant will be so amped up that I don't think any distractions will be necessary.
I'm looking for specifics to target their legion of headcase players. Romo, Williams, Bryant... there's just such a rich mine of material.
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Since I presume playing "the tape" to distract Miles Austin is out of the question, can we at least have Carrie Underwood sing the national anthem?
No, I am not willing to resort to Jessica Simpson. A man has his limits.
Showing the Kim Kardashian sex tape is fine but Jessica Simpson no? I don't follow...
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Showing the Kim Kardashian sex tape is fine but Jessica Simpson no? I don't follow...
Well, she used to date Romo. Romo had playing issues while they dated.
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Showing the Kim Kardashian sex tape is fine but Jessica Simpson no? I don't follow...
Have you ever heard Jessica "sing"??
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Romo had playing issues while they dated.
His 'playing issues' have lingered like an untreated case of the clap.
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His 'playing issues' have lingered like an untreated case of the clap.
I said the other day, out of respect for sporadic, I don't share my opinion of Romo.
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Well, she used to date Romo. Romo had playing issues while they dated.
I know her relevance to the Cowboys, I just don't see why MM would bother draggin out Kardashian but draw the line at Simpson.
(By the way, Miles and Kim broke up last weekend).
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I know her relevance to the Cowboys, I just don't see why MM would bother draggin out Kardashian but draw the line at Simpson.
(By the way, Miles and Kim broke up last weekend).
I didn't know she and Miles broke up. That's why.
And KK's performance has to be better than Jessica's.
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And KK's performance has to be better than Jessica's.
No talent is better than negative talent?
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No talent is better than negative talent?
Bingo.
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His 'playing issues' have lingered like an untreated case of the clap.
Yeah, he had a god-awful year last year (insert sarcasm throughout). Not his fault they have an idiot OC. That being said, am I completely happy with him? Absolutely not. He needs to be more assertive with the team, be a better leader. I have said it before and I'll say it again...he is not the underlying problem with this team. And, I bet there are about 25 GM's that would swap QB's with the Cowboys and not look back.
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And, I bet there are about 25 GM's that would swap QB's with the Cowboys and not look back.
Name them. I would go with about 13, but 25 is kind of high.
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I said the other day, out of respect for sporadic, I don't share my opinion of Romo.
It's all good, fire what you feel out there. I jsut have a different opinion. Things could be a hell of a lot worse. If he gets injured you will find out the hard way.
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Bingo.
Just so I catch up with the arguments so far: KK is a punter and Simpson is the place kicker... right?
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And, I bet there are about 25 GM's that would swap QB's with the Cowboys and not look back.
Absolutely would not:
Colts
Saints
Packers
Patriots
Giants
Texans
Falcons
Ravens
Vikings
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It's all good, fire what you feel out there. I jsut have a different opinion. Things could be a hell of a lot worse. If he gets injured you will find out the hard way.
The Cowboys getting worse would be the greatest thing that could possibly happen.
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Just so I catch up with the arguments so far: KK is a punter and Simpson is the place kicker... right?
KK is clearly a wide receiver.
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Name them. I would go with about 13, but 25 is kind of high.
Not like I have taken a poll of GM's, a personal opinion. With my past gambling history it is probably way off...
BUT..
I would only trade Manning (P), Rivers, Brees, Schaub or Brady for Romo.
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It's all good, fire what you feel out there. I jsut have a different opinion. Things could be a hell of a lot worse. If he gets injured you will find out the hard way.
I won't find out the hard way, because frankly I don't give a damn about the cowboys.
Just thought it was interesting as on 1560 yesterday Sean and John were going over the top qb's in the NFL and the last 13 were brutal. The next group up from brutal included Romo. Honestly, I don't think he is horrible. If he gets out of the pocket, he tends to force the ball and bad things happen.
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Not like I have taken a poll of GM's, a personal opinion. With my past gambling history it is probably way off...
BUT..
I would only trade Manning (P), Rivers, Brees, Schaub or Brady for Romo.
Then you're absolutely nuts. Any GM who traded one of those guys for Romo would lose his job before the ink dries on the trade document.
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It's all good, fire what you feel out there. I jsut have a different opinion. Things could be a hell of a lot worse. If he gets injured you will find out the hard way.
I haven't blamed Romo for a loss yet this season. But I totally agree that he needs to nut up and lead this team. If the QB doesn't lead, the team doesn't win. And I think that for any and all teams.
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Not like I have taken a poll of GM's, a personal opinion. With my past gambling history it is probably way off...
BUT..
I would only trade Manning (P), Rivers, Brees, Schaub or Brady for Romo.
Your blue glasses are on.
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Absolutely would not:
Colts
Saints
Packers
Patriots
Giants
Texans
Falcons
Ravens
Vikings
Chargers makes 10.
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Not like I have taken a poll of GM's, a personal opinion. With my past gambling history it is probably way off...
BUT..
I would only trade Manning (P), Rivers, Brees, Schaub or Brady for Romo.
I take it you're a Cowboy homer.
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Eagles
Giants
Jets
Bears
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Chargers makes 10.
You could throw the Jets and Giants in there too. Possibly the Bengals.
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Absolutely would not:
Colts
Saints
Packers
Patriots
Giants
Texans
Falcons
Ravens
Vikings
I agree with Colts, Saints, Packers, Pats, Texans...but I think Minn would be a fool to not replace Favre with Romo. As would Atlanta, Baltimore and NYG. Again, my opinion. Not like it means a damn thing. Alos, please note thta I am a rather huge homer. Getting me to admit our guy may not be better than somebody else's is a feat in itself.
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You could throw the Jets and Giants in there too. Possibly the Bengals.
If the Jets then also the 49ers. If last night was Smith's coming out party, look out.
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If the Jets then also the 49ers. If last night was Smith's coming out party, look out.
Yep. Let's face it...Romo *may* be in the top half, may not be.
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Then you're absolutely nuts. Any GM who traded one of those guys for Romo would lose his job before the ink dries on the trade document.
ONLY trade for those guys
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I agree that you can probably take minnesota off. But add kansas city.
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But add kansas city.
Whiskey.
Tango.
Foxtrot.
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Chargers makes 10.
Thanks, I knew I was missing someone.
Also, Rams would likely not cut bait on Bradford yet.
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Cassell showed more in his stint with the pats than romo has showed me - and romo has had a great cast.
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Cassell showed more in his stint with the pats than romo has showed me - and romo has had a great cast.
Cassell has also shown in KC that it was a fluke.
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Cassell showed more in his stint with the pats than romo has showed me - and romo has had a great cast.
Jason Garrett played once on Thanksgiving Day and won. Guess he should have replaced Troy Aikman.
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We'll see at the end of the year - cassell came into an awful KC team. Also, 2-0 vs 0-2.
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Yep. Let's face it...Romo *may* be in the top half, may not be.
Teams that would probably trade for Romo: Carolina, Cleveland, Buffalo, Oakland, Arizona. Maybe Seattle, Kansas City, and Jacksonville.
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Nobody likes McNabb?
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Thanks, I knew I was missing someone.
Also, Rams would likely not cut bait on Bradford yet.
And neither the Lions on Stafford despite the injury.
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KK is clearly a wide receiver.
Tailback.
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Nobody likes McNabb?
McNabb is fine and in no way a downgrade from Romo.
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When it comes to the Cowboys, all I can think about is why would someone with that much money have such: (i) bad teeth, (ii) a bad rug and (iii) a failed face lift.
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Nobody likes McNabb?
he is about the same guy as Romo. Put up nice stats, but not been able to "win the big one". now, I don't agree with that 100%, as getting to the NFC Championship game so many times is tough to do, but that is one of the main knocks on Romo so I am throwing it right back at Dante. And he is long in the tooth. Why make a lateral move with an older guy?
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I meant Donovan, obviously.
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I meant Donovan, obviously.
I thought you might have meant Culpepper.
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I thought you might have meant Culpepper.
don't rightly know why I was thinking Culpepper while typing about McNabb. Can't believe with all the dregs out there nobody has taken a flier on Culpepper. He seems like he would HAVE to be an upgrade over some of the crap getting trotted out every week nowadays.
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he is about the same guy as Romo. Put up nice stats, but not been able to "win the big one". now, I don't agree with that 100%, as getting to the NFC Championship game so many times is tough to do, but that is one of the main knocks on Romo so I am throwing it right back at Dante. And he is long in the tooth. Why make a lateral move with an older guy?
See this is the thing with Cowboy fans. Their semi-talented players become flawed superheroes, as though the only reason why all their guys aren't dominant superstars is some abstract, fixable psychological flaw. Like, it's not that Romo isn't as talented a quarterback as the top 10 qb's in the league, it's because he allows himself to become distracted, or he's not enough of a leader, or he chokes in big games. It can't be that he's an above-average quarterback who can be neutralized by good teams, can't be. From watching the Cowboys, the only players that I see repped as superstars who actually consistently produce like stars are Miles Austin, Whitten, Demarcus Ware, and sometimes Ratliff. "No way! Felix Jones! 27 teams in the league would trade their RB's for him! He'd rush for 2,000 yards if our OC knew how to call plays."
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I've always liked Donovan McNabb, I don't know why people shit on him so much. He was a one-man show in Philly for so many years, yet he never gets any recognition.
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See this is the thing with Cowboy fans. Their semi-talented players become flawed superheroes, as though the only reason why all their guys aren't dominant superstars is some abstract, fixable psychological flaw. Like, it's not that Romo isn't as talented a quarterback as the top 10 qb's in the league, it's because he allows himself to become distracted, or he's not enough of a leader, or he chokes in big games. It can't be that he's an above-average quarterback who can be neutralized by good teams, can't be. From watching the Cowboys, the only players that I see repped as superstars who actually consistently produce like stars are Miles Austin, Whitten, Demarcus Ware, and sometimes Ratliff. "No way! Felix Jones! 27 teams in the league would trade their RB's for him! He'd rush for 2,000 yards if our OC knew how to call plays."
Also looks like Dez will be a player.
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Also looks like Dez will be a player.
He's already a superstar!!!!!! 37 teams would trade their #1 wide receivers for him already!
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I'm surprised by these comments by all you so-called football fans (which I am not, so I am totally ignorant in what I say most of the time when it comes to the NFL). The reason I'm surprised is that you guys are trying to figure out what club would basically swap what they have for a Tony Romo. What I am led to understand is that it's the system that makes the quarterback and not the quarterback makes the system in the NFL. In college, a offensive coordinator would tailor his offense to match the talent of the quarterback (see: Young, Vince). In the NFL, because of the sophistication and prowess of NFL defenses, you need to have the quarterback match the system you run. IOW - Payton Manning is Payton Manning because the Colts run a system that fits his talent and what is left is to execute said system.
I listened the other day to a discussion on Matt Lineart. Lineart is considered a bust by most and by others he is considered an NFL talent that was in the wrong system in Arizona. Put Lineart in the *right* system for his talent and you get a really good, productive NFL quarterback. I have also heard that Drew Brees, traded *away* from San Diego, is a perfect fit in New Orleans because he matched the system of short passes, quick reads, get it to the receiver in the best position to allow them to gain the yardage down field (rather than throw down field). So this talk about swapping Romo is strange to me. Why would Romo be a fit somewhere else, like say San Diego? Is the system they run fitting of skills or would that be a horrible transition to make? I don't know about rating a skill of a quarterback other than a very high level (re: not in-depth). What are Romo's percieved skill sets? Strong arm? Quick reads? Good touch passer? What?
Then when you tell anyone what that skill set is, then isn't it better to then argue where Romo would fit in the schemes run at certain NFL organizations? Y'all seem to be arguing without providing any insights at all other than you're arguing for arguing sake. What happened to the SnS I once knew!!!
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He's already a superstar!!!!!! 37 teams would trade their #1 wide receivers for him already!
Other than the 20 that refused to draft him!
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I'm surprised by these comments by all you so-called football fans (which I am not, so I am totally ignorant in what I say most of the time when it comes to the NFL). The reason I'm surprised is that you guys are trying to figure out what club would basically swap what they have for a Tony Romo. What I am led to understand is that it's the system that makes the quarterback and not the quarterback makes the system in the NFL. In college, a offensive coordinator would tailor his offense to match the talent of the quarterback (see: Young, Vince). In the NFL, because of the sophistication and prowess of NFL defenses, you need to have the quarterback match the system you run. IOW - Payton Manning is Payton Manning because the Colts run a system that fits his talent and what is left is to execute said system.
I disagree with all of this. Fisher has tailored his system to Young and Johnson's skills. Payton IS the system. The Vikings hardly ran the same plays for Favre that they would have for Tavaris Jackson.
I listened the other day to a discussion on Matt Lineart. Lineart is considered a bust by most and by others he is considered an NFL talent that was in the wrong system in Arizona. Put Lineart in the *right* system for his talent and you get a really good, productive NFL quarterback.
The only *right* system for Matt Leinart is "line keeps you clean for 10 seconds and receivers get massive separation".
I have also heard that Drew Brees, traded *away* from San Diego, is a perfect fit in New Orleans because he matched the system of short passes, quick reads, get it to the receiver in the best position to allow them to gain the yardage down field (rather than throw down field).
Brees was a fit in SD too. He makes better decisions than any QB in the league, bar none.
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"No way! Felix Jones! 27 teams in the league would trade their RB's for him! He'd rush for 2,000 yards if our OC knew how to call plays."
Fuck off. You in no way represent my thoughts about the Cowboys. And you never will. My statement regarding the trading of Romo, however itis perceived, has nothing to do with another player, don't make this into soemthing it is not.
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See this is the thing with Cowboy fans. Their semi-talented players become flawed superheroes, as though the only reason why all their guys aren't dominant superstars is some abstract, fixable psychological flaw. Like, it's not that Romo isn't as talented a quarterback as the top 10 qb's in the league, it's because he allows himself to become distracted, or he's not enough of a leader, or he chokes in big games. It can't be that he's an above-average quarterback who can be neutralized by good teams, can't be. From watching the Cowboys, the only players that I see repped as superstars who actually consistently produce like stars are Miles Austin, Whitten, Demarcus Ware, and sometimes Ratliff. "No way! Felix Jones! 27 teams in the league would trade their RB's for him! He'd rush for 2,000 yards if our OC knew how to call plays."
Every Cowboys fan believes are players are the best and there is no room for improvement. Hell, just look at their record for proof. There's no need to think they need to work on timing issues (Romo never tosses behind a receiver), no tackling drills (all tackles are wraps not bumps), and they never hold or interfer with the opposing team.
I love Ware. And anyone that knows me knows that I've loved him for years now. I'm getting a crush on the the little rookie #44, he reminds me of an old love (Johnston). But if you think I don't know my team has serious issues and they will lose, think again. Do I think they should be 2-0 not 0-2, hell yeah? They've played some shitty, undiscipled football.
And the way you seem to stereotype all Cowboys fans is the stereotypical response one gets from other fans. They are my team, whether they suck or not. Whether you, HH or anyone else says I'm going to hell for loving them. Don't like them, then ignore them. It's easy.
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I disagree with all of this. Fisher has tailored his system to Young and Johnson's skills. Payton IS the system. The Vikings hardly ran the same plays for Favre that they would have for Tavaris Jackson.
The only *right* system for Matt Leinart is "line keeps you clean for 10 seconds and receivers get massive separation".
Brees was a fit in SD too. He makes better decisions than any QB in the league, bar none.
The best quarterbacks can fit into any system.
And Noe, Brees does throw down field but not stupidly. Sean Payton's offense is designed to do it a lot.
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They are my team, whether they suck or not. Whether you, HH or anyone else says I'm going to hell for loving them. Don't like them, then ignore them. It's easy.
And that is why you are such a good Astro fan.
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I disagree with all of this. Fisher has tailored his system to Young and Johnson's skills.
Didn't he bench Young in favor of the backup who does *NOT* have the same skills as Young? IOW - Fisher prefers someone who can make the right calls on offense in the scheme he runs.
Payton IS the system.
So you're saying that in the NFL, knock out the quarterback, you then make the whole entire system come crashing down on it's head? WOW, the NFL sure is stupid then.
The Vikings hardly ran the same plays for Favre that they would have for Tavaris Jackson.
Aren't you making my point here?
The only *right* system for Matt Leinart is "line keeps you clean for 10 seconds and receivers get massive separation".
You're in the "he's a bust" crowd then? Why is he even in the NFL then, seems to be a horrible idea to give him a job anywhere. Are offensive coordinators that dumb?
Brees was a fit in SD too. He makes better decisions than any QB in the league, bar none.
Does Brees have a strong arm? I heard, and again I know little about the NFL, that Brees was not a fit because they *preferred* a system that befit Phillip River's very strong arm. So I'm not trying to be a smart alleck, but this seems to be the general information I get when paying attention. I guess I should not listen to the pundits when it comes to telling you what is the skill level and the various systems in the NFL designed to beat NFL defenses. I heard that the NFL has basically become the league of the quarterback and wide receiver now. Again, maybe I should stop listening and stay ignorant.
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The best quarterbacks can fit into any system.
Is that Tony Romo's forte... a good quarterback that can fit *ANY* system. Is that where you guys are arguing from or is the flaw with Romo that he does have some deficiencies that thus makes him more aptly fit to a certain system over another.
And Noe, Brees does throw down field but not stupidly. Sean Payton's offense is designed to do it a lot.
I heard he doesn't have a strong arm and thus they pick and choose the down field, air it out type of plays. See, that's what I get for listening in to NFL talk on the radio. I heard Brees has the best skill and that is he is a coach on the field. He makes the best reads of defenses and the system is designed to utilize that skill best. He doesn't *NEED* to have a strong arm.
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ONLY trade for those guys
That makes more sense. But you're still nuts if you think those are the only guys as good or better than Romo.
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Didn't he bench Young in favor of the backup who does *NOT* have the same skills as Young? IOW - Fisher prefers someone who can make the right calls on offense in the scheme he runs.
And he completely changed his offensive calls when Collins came in. Because the offense with Young was ineffective.
So you're saying that in the NFL, knock out the quarterback, you then make the whole entire system come crashing down on it's head? WOW, the NFL sure is stupid then.
With the Colts? Yes, it's that simple. It's like saying that the Bulls were stupid to run their offense through Jordan, or the Rockets for running through Hakeem. You have a transcendent talent, you tailor everything to them.
Aren't you making my point here?
No. If the Vikings had a system that they thought worked, they would have found a QB for that system, not found Favre and then changed the system.
You're in the "he's a bust" crowd then? Why is he even in the NFL then, seems to be a horrible idea to give him a job anywhere. Are offensive coordinators that dumb?
Desperate. He's a third-string QB. There are very, very, VERY few humans capable of playing QB in the NFL. Evidence would say, fewer than 32.
Does Brees have a strong arm? I heard, and again I know little about the NFL, that Brees was not a fit because they *preferred* a system that befit Phillip River's very strong arm.
As said above, it's strong enough to go down the field. SD kept Rivers b/c they were worried about Brees' injury, not b/c of his skills.
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Didn't he bench Young in favor of the backup who does *NOT* have the same skills as Young?
Maybe Young quit. Again.
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Maybe Young quit. Again.
That ought to liven things up around here.
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That ought to liven things up around here.
The anthill was too calm.
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Every Cowboys fan believes are players are the best and there is no room for improvement. Hell, just look at their record for proof. There's no need to think they need to work on timing issues (Romo never tosses behind a receiver), no tackling drills (all tackles are wraps not bumps), and they never hold or interfer with the opposing team.
I love Ware. And anyone that knows me knows that I've loved him for years now. I'm getting a crush on the the little rookie #44, he reminds me of an old love (Johnston). But if you think I don't know my team has serious issues and they will lose, think again. Do I think they should be 2-0 not 0-2, hell yeah? They've played some shitty, undiscipled football.
And the way you seem to stereotype all Cowboys fans is the stereotypical response one gets from other fans. They are my team, whether they suck or not. Whether you, HH or anyone else says I'm going to hell for loving them. Don't like them, then ignore them. It's easy.
Every fan obviously tends to overrate their own team's players, but the Cowboys more than others seem to view all their guys as superstars, and more than other fans seem to project their players' faults as excuses rather than the lack of talent or skill that is really going on. Most teams would look at a Romo-like quarterback, say a Cutler, Carson Palmer, Hassleback, Derek Anderson when he had his big year, and see him for what he is-- a pretty good QB who can win some games with a disciplined approach and the right talent around him. But Cowboy fans, media, and management seem to regard Romo as a superstar quarterback, excusing anything less as the product of who his girlfriend is or his mental state in December or whatever. Dez Bryant, for instance, is not a troubled, unrefined wide receiver with potential according to cowboy fans. He's a goddamned superstar! and think nothing of trading or benching productive players like Patrick Crayton. Roy Williams could be a productive player in the right role but fuck him! he's not a superstar so let's talk shit about him and trade his ass!
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That makes more sense. But you're still nuts if you think those are the only guys as good or better than Romo.
Noted. But I think you are nuts for making any argument about any scenario that makes David carr a better NFL QB than Matt Schaub.
I am merely stating my opinion, which everyone has the option of disagreeing with.
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But I think you are nuts for making any argument about any scenario that makes David carr a better NFL QB than Matt Schaub.
If that's the only reason you think I'm nuts, I'll consider you a fan of mine.
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Every fan obviously tends to overrate their own team's players, but the Cowboys more than others seem to view all their guys as superstars, and more than other fans seem to project their players' faults as excuses rather than the lack of talent or skill that is really going on. Most teams would look at a Romo-like quarterback, say a Cutler, Carson Palmer, Hassleback, Derek Anderson when he had his big year, and see him for what he is-- a pretty good QB who can win some games with a disciplined approach and the right talent around him. But Cowboy fans, media, and management seem to regard Romo as a superstar quarterback, excusing anything less as the product of who his girlfriend is or his mental state in December or whatever. Dez Bryant, for instance, is not a troubled, unrefined wide receiver with potential according to cowboy fans. He's a goddamned superstar! and think nothing of trading or benching productive players like Patrick Crayton. Roy Williams could be a productive player in the right role but fuck him! he's not a superstar so let's talk shit about him and trade his ass!
Yeah, the Cowboys are fucking crazy to have traded a disgruntled #3 receiver just to make room for a guy like Bryant. Fucking idiots.
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Didn't he bench Young in favor of the backup who does *NOT* have the same skills as Young? IOW - Fisher prefers someone who can make the right calls on offense in the scheme he runs.
Vince turned the ball over a half dozen times in that game. That's why he was benched.
So you're saying that in the NFL, knock out the quarterback, you then make the whole entire system come crashing down on it's head? WOW, the NFL sure is stupid then.
Manning is the entire offense of the Colts. Take out Manning, and the Colts are a 2 to 3 win team. This isn't a very controversial statement.
Does Brees have a strong arm? I heard, and again I know little about the NFL, that Brees was not a fit because they *preferred* a system that befit Phillip River's very strong arm. So I'm not trying to be a smart alleck, but this seems to be the general information I get when paying attention. I guess I should not listen to the pundits when it comes to telling you what is the skill level and the various systems in the NFL designed to beat NFL defenses. I heard that the NFL has basically become the league of the quarterback and wide receiver now. Again, maybe I should stop listening and stay ignorant.
Brees was very good in San Diego. They went with Rivers for age/physicality/public relations reasons.
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Yeah, the Cowboys are fucking crazy to have traded a disgruntled #3 receiver just to make room for a guy like Bryant. Fucking idiots.
He's disgruntled because your fanbase has treated him like dogshit from the moment it was apparent that he wasn't going to be a superstar
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He's disgruntled because your fanbase has treated him like dogshit from the moment it was apparent that he wasn't going to be a superstar
I liked him, alot. Had the best hands on the team. BUT, he is nowhere near the athletic freak that Dez Bryant is. Whether that correlates to NFL success remains to be seen, but I completely agree to trading a player (that wants to be traded mind you) if he is not as good as the guy ultimately replacing him. And, he got pissed because the writing was on the wall that somebody was going to lose playing time when Dez was drafted. Think Miles Austin is going to sit? Roy will end up on the sidelines in more sets this year if he does not watch out (I would like to say Roy is giving a MUCH better effort this year, I believe due to him relaizing how good Dez is). Dez has only returned a punt for a touchdown and had 10 catches in two professional games. I wonder what his numbers would look like if he was not so "unrefined"
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He's disgruntled because your fanbase has treated him like dogshit from the moment it was apparent that he wasn't going to be a superstar
bullshit. all anyone expected was him to catch the ball. what they expect from every receiver.
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I liked him, alot. Had the best hands on the team. BUT, he is nowhere near the athletic freak that Dez Bryant is. Whether that correlates to NFL success remains to be seen, but I completely agree to trading a player (that wants to be traded mind you) if he is not as good as the guy ultimately replacing him. And, he got pissed because the writing was on the wall that somebody was going to lose playing time when Dez was drafted. Think Miles Austin is going to sit? Roy will end up on the sidelines in more sets this year if he does not watch out (I would like to say Roy is giving a MUCH better effort this year, I believe due to him relaizing how good Dez is). Dez has only returned a punt for a touchdown and had 10 catches in two professional games. I wonder what his numbers would look like if he was not so "unrefined"
i think that's what annoys so many people when they look at the cowboys. why would they draft dez bryant in the first place? why not draft a couple of 2-5 round receivers if it's a position of minor need? but no, they have to get the next superstar, the guy who is declared a superstar before he even plays a down, even though 20-whatever teams passed on him. the guy who's buddies with deion and michael irvin, who's so entitled by the time he steps on the field that he openly criticizes the veteran in front of him, refuses traditional rookie hazing rituals, etc. and it's the problem with roy williams too. a lot of teams, including the team he came from, would love to have him as their #2 receiver or even #1 on a bad team, but it's the cowboys who give up bunches of draft picks for him and declare him the next superstar. so then when he fails it's time to break out the pitchforks, but it is the same people who built him up who are tearing him down, and if dez bryant starts melting down or stagnates in his development then you're going to see the same treatment.
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i think that's what annoys so many people when they look at the cowboys. why would they draft dez bryant in the first place? why not draft a couple of 2-5 round receivers if it's a position of minor need? but no, they have to get the next superstar, the guy who is declared a superstar before he even plays a down, even though 20-whatever teams passed on him. the guy who's buddies with deion and michael irvin, who's so entitled by the time he steps on the field that he openly criticizes the veteran in front of him, refuses traditional rookie hazing rituals, etc. and it's the problem with roy williams too. a lot of teams, including the team he came from, would love to have him as their #2 receiver or even #1 on a bad team, but it's the cowboys who give up bunches of draft picks for him and declare him the next superstar. so then when he fails it's time to break out the pitchforks, but it is the same people who built him up who are tearing him down, and if dez bryant starts melting down or stagnates in his development then you're going to see the same treatment.
They were not going to make the same mistake they made by not taking Randy Moss. Dez was considered to be a top 5 talent by many "experts". If you can get that guy at 20, you do it. We will see how it pans out, but i in no way will throw stones at the organization for replacing a middle of the road NFL receiver with a very special skill set.
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According to 1560, LT Duane Brown has been suspended 4 games for PED.
ETA: Schefter confirms. (http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/25147778514)
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According to 1560, LT Duane Brown has been suspended 4 games for PED.
ETA: Schefter confirms. (http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/25147778514)
Ephraim Salaam come on down. Ugh.
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According to 1560, LT Duane Brown has been suspended 4 games for PED.
ETA: Schefter confirms. (http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/25147778514)
How did the Cowboys arrange that?
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According to 1560, LT Duane Brown has been suspended 4 games for PED.
ETA: Schefter confirms. (http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/25147778514)
Fuck.
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How did the Cowboys arrange that?
Jerry's bucks by a lot of influence.
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According to 1560, LT Duane Brown has been suspended 4 games for PED.
ETA: Schefter confirms. (http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/25147778514)
You have got to be shittin me. Fuck.
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According to 1560, LT Duane Brown has been suspended 4 games for PED.
ETA: Schefter confirms. (http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/25147778514)
You'll need a calculator to add up all the 3 step drops you'll see Sunday.
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According to 1560, LT Duane Brown has been suspended 4 games for PED.
ETA: Schefter confirms. (http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/25147778514)
How could anyone be so fucking stupid?
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According to 1560, LT Duane Brown has been suspended 4 games for PED.
ETA: Schefter confirms. (http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/25147778514)
I am not in favor of this development
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How could anyone be so fucking stupid?
Surely it's just another case of Overtrained Athlete Syndrome.
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Didnt the vikings two d ends avoid a suspension last year. Use their defense. How about an appeal?
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Surely it's just another case of Overtrained Athlete Syndrome.
Don't know how good of a team the Texans are, but they sure know their PEDs...
Anyway, on the suspension from Adam Wexler (via Twitter):
Duane Brown suspended for PED violation, says "I unknowingly took a supplement tainted w/ a banned substance...I have decided not to appeal"
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According to 1560, LT Duane Brown has been suspended 4 games for PED.
ETA: Schefter confirms. (http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/25147778514)
This Tuesday just keeps getting better. Shit.
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Didnt the vikings two d ends avoid a suspension last year. Use their defense. How about an appeal?
IIRC, that we're hearing about it means the appeal process (or the decision not to) has already completed.
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IIRC, that we're hearing about it means the appeal process (or the decision not to) has already completed.
See that he decided to not appeal. Everyone knew of the Viking players and their appeal before hand.
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I see that the game is scheduled for 12:00pm CDT. Presumably by now this is firm and the game won't be moved?
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I see that the game is scheduled for 12:00pm CDT. Presumably by now this is firm and the game won't be moved?
I don't think the flex scheduling starts until much later in the season.
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See this is the thing with Cowboy fans. Their semi-talented players become flawed superheroes, as though the only reason why all their guys aren't dominant superstars is some abstract, fixable psychological flaw. Like, it's not that Romo isn't as talented a quarterback as the top 10 qb's in the league, it's because he allows himself to become distracted, or he's not enough of a leader, or he chokes in big games. It can't be that he's an above-average quarterback who can be neutralized by good teams, can't be. From watching the Cowboys, the only players that I see repped as superstars who actually consistently produce like stars are Miles Austin, Whitten, Demarcus Ware, and sometimes Ratliff. "No way! Felix Jones! 27 teams in the league would trade their RB's for him! He'd rush for 2,000 yards if our OC knew how to call plays."
Yeah this has always bugged me. I also never understand why people call the Cowboys "the most talented team in the league". What are they basing that on? Drafting Dez Bryant and having 3 RBs that have had a good game at one point in their career?
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I see that the game is scheduled for 12:00pm CDT. Presumably by now this is firm and the game won't be moved?
I don't believe they move games this early in the season.
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I don't believe they move games this early in the season.
"The 2010 NFL schedule will again utilize flexible scheduling in Weeks 11-17."
Flexible Scheduling (http://www.nfl.com/schedules/tv/flexible)
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Yeah this has always bugged me. I also never understand why people call the Cowboys "the most talented team in the league". What are they basing that on? Drafting Dez Bryant and having 3 RBs that have had a good game at one point in their career?
don't know. Probably because of guys they have on the roster like: Jason Whitten, Terrence Newman, DeMarcus Ware, Anthony Spencer, Andre Gurode, Jay Ratliff, Bradie James, Mike Jenkins, Matt McBriar (yes, he is a punter, but damn good), Leonard Davis, and Miles Austin. Along with the guys that have had "a good game in their career" as you stated.
DAMN good arguments can be made that Ware (OLB), Gurode (C), Jenkins (CB), Ratliff (NT/DL), McBriar (P), Austin (WR) and Whitten (TE) are all top 5 in the NFL at their positions. 7 positions where you are elite is pretty fucking talented, in my opinion.
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don't know. Probably because of guys they have on the roster like: Jason Whitten, Terrence Newman, DeMarcus Ware, Anthony Spencer, Andre Gurode, Jay Ratliff, Bradie James, Mike Jenkins, Matt McBriar (yes, he is a punter, but damn good), Leonard Davis, and Miles Austin. Along with the guys that have had "a good game in their career" as you stated.
DAMN good arguments can be made that Ware (OLB), Gurode (C), Jenkins (CB), Ratliff (NT/DL), McBriar (P), Austin (WR) and Whitten (TE) are all top 5 in the NFL at their positions. 7 positions where you are elite is pretty fucking talented, in my opinion.
I don't think Jenkins is top 5 yet. Could be after a couple of more years. Ware Yes. Whitten maybe. Austin no. The rest I don't know.
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DAMN good arguments can be made that Ware (OLB), Gurode (C), Jenkins (CB), Ratliff (NT/DL), McBriar (P), Austin (WR) and Whitten (TE) are all top 5 in the NFL at their positions. 7 positions where you are elite is pretty fucking talented, in my opinion.
And, I bet there are about 25 GM's that would swap QB's with the Cowboys and not look back.
Just sayin.
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Just sayin.
I don't think he is top five. My top 5 are Manning (P), Brees, Rivers, Schaub and Brady. I would rank him 6 or 7. "about 25" is what it is...my guesstimate.
Astroholic, Miles Austin is a stud. There has been ample time for defenses to "figure him out" and he is proving to be a legit elite #1 WR. The only clear cut guy ahead of him is Andre Johnson (unquestionably #1 in the NFL), I would also take Larry Fitzgerald over Austin. That's it. For me at least. Look at his numbers since becoming a starter....very, very, very good.
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I'd add roddy white, calvin johnson, and jennings to that list.
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don't know. Probably because of guys they have on the roster like: Jason Whitten, Terrence Newman, DeMarcus Ware, Anthony Spencer, Andre Gurode, Jay Ratliff, Bradie James, Mike Jenkins, Matt McBriar (yes, he is a punter, but damn good), Leonard Davis, and Miles Austin. Along with the guys that have had "a good game in their career" as you stated.
DAMN good arguments can be made that Ware (OLB), Gurode (C), Jenkins (CB), Ratliff (NT/DL), McBriar (P), Austin (WR) and Whitten (TE) are all top 5 in the NFL at their positions. 7 positions where you are elite is pretty fucking talented, in my opinion.
Sporadic, for realz, do you not see how some of your posts fit this stereotype we're presenting about Cowboy fans/media/hangers-on? See, I could do exactly what you're doing for the Texans or almost any other team really. I'll take the players on a team that are solid players or at least have a rep for being solid players and I'll pretend like they're all stars, and then I'll take the best of that group and assert that they're top-of-the-league stars.
Here goes: The reason people call the Texans so talented is probably because of guys like Eric Winston, Vonta Leach (yes, he is a fullback but damn good), Owen Daniels, Kevin Walter (yes, he is a #2 receiver but damn good), Andre Johnson, Antoine Caldwell, Arian Foster, Matt Schaub, Brian Cushing, Mario Williams, Bernard Pollard, Demeco Ryans. DAMN good arguments can be made that Winston, Leach, Johnson, Schaub, Cushing, Williams, Pollard, Daniels (pre-knee-injury) and Ryans are all top 5 in the NFL at their positions. 9 positions where you are top 5 in the league is pretty fucking talented, in my opinion.
Sorry to make fun of your style, but don't you see how other ridiculous the Cowboy self-worship seems to other NFL fans?
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While you are fucking yourself, go make your list. I never once said you guys were not a talented team, or that Dallas was more talented. I was merely refuting the claim that they were not as talented as perceived. They are very talented at a lot of positions, like the Texans are and have been the last few years. This in no way makes them a great team, just a talented one. As far as my fandom, I grew up watching the Cowboys and have been through all the highs and lows, never once bailing on them. I am a true fan of that team, and not a delusional one. I know when they are good, bad, capable, not capable, talented and not. I am in no way a bandwagoner or stereotypical anything. What you are is a stereotypical Cowboy basher. I live and die every week with my team as you do yours, so don't fucking "for realz" me.
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While you are fucking yourself, go make your list. I never once said you guys were not a talented team, or that Dallas was more talented. I was merely refuting the claim that they were not as talented as perceived. They are very talented at a lot of positions, like the Texans are and have been the last few years. This in no way makes them a great team, just a talented one. As far as my fandom, I grew up watching the Cowboys and have been through all the highs and lows, never once bailing on them. I am a true fan of that team, and not a delusional one. I know when they are good, bad, capable, not capable, talented and not. I am in no way a bandwagoner or stereotypical anything. What you are is a stereotypical Cowboy basher. I live and die every week with my team as you do yours, so don't fucking "for realz" me.
Wow. That was pretty awesome.
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While you are fucking yourself, go make your list. I never once said you guys were not a talented team, or that Dallas was more talented. I was merely refuting the claim that they were not as talented as perceived. They are very talented at a lot of positions, like the Texans are and have been the last few years. This in no way makes them a great team, just a talented one. As far as my fandom, I grew up watching the Cowboys and have been through all the highs and lows, never once bailing on them. I am a true fan of that team, and not a delusional one. I know when they are good, bad, capable, not capable, talented and not. I am in no way a bandwagoner or stereotypical anything. What you are is a stereotypical Cowboy basher. I live and die every week with my team as you do yours, so don't fucking "for realz" me.
+1
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While you are fucking yourself, go make your list. I never once said you guys were not a talented team, or that Dallas was more talented. I was merely refuting the claim that they were not as talented as perceived. They are very talented at a lot of positions, like the Texans are and have been the last few years. This in no way makes them a great team, just a talented one. As far as my fandom, I grew up watching the Cowboys and have been through all the highs and lows, never once bailing on them. I am a true fan of that team, and not a delusional one. I know when they are good, bad, capable, not capable, talented and not. I am in no way a bandwagoner or stereotypical anything. What you are is a stereotypical Cowboy basher. I live and die every week with my team as you do yours, so don't fucking "for realz" me.
you have made several recent posts and claims about the talent of individual cowboys that are, at best, exaggerations. i, like all other non-cowboy fans, routinely have to listen to media members and fans and hangers-on talk about cowboy players like they're all superstars and how any failings are the result of who their girlfriend is or who the coach is or whatever. it's never because they're not as talented as the vikings or bears or whoever they lose to. romo tends to play worse in december and the playoffs. that can't possibly be because he faces better teams, and teams who have an entire year of film to figure him out. no, it's because he's not enough of a leader or his girlfriend is some crappy singer or because jason garrett is a bad coordinator or wade doesn't crack the whip enough.
i know that real cowboy fans are not fair-weather fans, that is true. certainly, there are douchebags around the country who veer in their direction when they're good or unusually glamorous but yes I know that's not real dallas. nobody accuses their fans of not being devoted.
the texans seem to have some good players, as does almost every team, but i'm not delusional about them. andre johnson is obviously a top 5 receiver, maybe higher. honestly, that's really it. schaub is starting to enter some elite discussions, but i don't think any texan fan wouldn't trade him right now for any one of the truly elite quarterbacks. maybe cushing in a couple of years? maybe eric winston? i don't know, but i don't feel entitled about my team. if they lose it's because they suck, it's not because of who their girlfriends are.
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you have made several recent posts and claims about the talent of individual cowboys that are, at best, exaggerations. i, like all other non-cowboy fans, routinely have to listen to media members and fans and hangers-on talk about cowboy players like they're all superstars and how any failings are the result of who their girlfriend is or who the coach is or whatever. it's never because they're not as talented as the vikings or bears or whoever they lose to. romo tends to play worse in december and the playoffs. that can't possibly be because he faces better teams, and teams who have an entire year of film to figure him out. no, it's because he's not enough of a leader or his girlfriend is some crappy singer or because jason garrett is a bad coordinator or wade doesn't crack the whip enough.
i know that real cowboy fans are not fair-weather fans, that is true. certainly, there are douchebags around the country who veer in their direction when they're good or unusually glamorous but yes I know that's not real dallas. nobody accuses their fans of not being devoted.
the texans seem to have some good players, as does almost every team, but i'm not delusional about them. andre johnson is obviously a top 5 receiver, maybe higher. honestly, that's really it. schaub is starting to enter some elite discussions, but i don't think any texan fan wouldn't trade him right now for any one of the truly elite quarterbacks. maybe cushing in a couple of years? maybe eric winston? i don't know, but i don't feel entitled about my team. if they lose it's because they suck, it's not because of who their girlfriends are.
You just described San Antonio sports radio perfectly. Romo sucks, Jerry Jones will find a winner because that's what he does, the Cowboys longsnapper is the best longsnapper in the NFL, etc etc.
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You just described San Antonio sports radio perfectly. Romo sucks, Jerry Jones will find a winner because that's what he does, the Cowboys longsnapper is the best longsnapper in the NFL, etc etc.
J Jones needs to find a winner to replace himself.
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i know that real cowboy fans are not fair-weather fans, that is true. certainly, there are douchebags around the country who veer in their direction when they're good or unusually glamorous but yes I know that's not real dallas.
Joey, I'd like to reintroduce you to Bryce Harper. (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/09/bryce_harpers_favorite_sports.html)
He was on sports talk radio in D.C. talking about his fandom:
"If I'm rooting or somebody, it's the Dallas Cowboys," Harper said, while Holden Kushner and Brian Mitchell entered dueling states of cardiac arrest
Finally, Mitchell became sentient enough to ask why.
"Why do I like the Cowboys?" Harper repeated. "Because they were always a winner when I was growing up."
The Cowboys last won a Super Bowl when Harper was approximately 4 years old.
To absolutely nobody's surprise, Bryce's other favorite teams:
MLB: Yankees
NBA: Lakers
College basketball: Duke
College football: Texas.
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Joey, I'd like to reintroduce you to Bryce Harper. (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/09/bryce_harpers_favorite_sports.html)
He was on sports talk radio in D.C. talking about his fandom:
"If I'm rooting or somebody, it's the Dallas Cowboys," Harper said, while Holden Kushner and Brian Mitchell entered dueling states of cardiac arrest
Finally, Mitchell became sentient enough to ask why.
"Why do I like the Cowboys?" Harper repeated. "Because they were always a winner when I was growing up."
The Cowboys last won a Super Bowl when Harper was approximately 4 years old.
To absolutely nobody's surprise, Bryce's other favorite teams:
MLB: Yankees
NBA: Lakers
College basketball: Duke
College football: Texas.
Bazinga
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Damn. Texas in that list stings.
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Joey, I'd like to reintroduce you to Bryce Harper. (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/09/bryce_harpers_favorite_sports.html)
He was on sports talk radio in D.C. talking about his fandom:
"If I'm rooting or somebody, it's the Dallas Cowboys," Harper said, while Holden Kushner and Brian Mitchell entered dueling states of cardiac arrest
Finally, Mitchell became sentient enough to ask why.
"Why do I like the Cowboys?" Harper repeated. "Because they were always a winner when I was growing up."
The Cowboys last won a Super Bowl when Harper was approximately 4 years old.
To absolutely nobody's surprise, Bryce's other favorite teams:
MLB: Yankees
NBA: Lakers
College basketball: Duke
College football: Texas.
"his favorite casino gambler is The House"
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Well, at least Harper won't have the embarrassing fall from grace that Lebron has had. He will be hated before he even takes a swing in the Majors.
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Damn. Texas in that list stings.
Nah, not when you're a fan with a legitimate claim to the team. Unlike, say, a Cowboy fan in Houston.
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Nah, not when you're a fan with a legitimate claim to the team. Unlike, say, a Cowboy fan in Houston.
Tell that to the thousands of "UT Fans" that have never stepped foot on the UT campus, particularly in a UT classroom.
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Nah, not when you're a fan with a legitimate claim to the team. Unlike, say, a Cowboy fan in Houston.
So, a someone from NYC or Pittsburgh should root for the Texans and not the Giants or Steelers?
I disagree with the bandwagoning of "I root for team X because they are winners".
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So, a someone from NYC or Pittsburgh should root for the Texans and not the Giants or Steelers?
I disagree with the bandwagoning of "I root for team X because they are winners".
I was just fishing. If you're actually from Dallas, no problem. And sorry.
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Tell that to the thousands of "UT Fans" that have never stepped foot on the UT campus, particularly in a UT classroom.
I wouldn't go that far. A regional allegiance to a college team is more than reasonable. UT has done quite a lot for the Austin community. Certainly enough to warrant support from those that didn't actually attend it.
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I was just fishing. If you're actually from Dallas, no problem. And sorry.
I'm not from Dallas, but as many will attest San Antonio, which is where I was raised, is Cowboy country.
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I wouldn't go that far. A regional allegiance to a college team is more than reasonable. UT has done quite a lot for the Austin community. Certainly enough to warrant support from those that didn't actually attend it.
What about those that didn't attend UT or live/grew up in Austin?
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What about those that didn't attend UT or live/grew up in Austin?
Thank you for buying our Tshirts
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I'm not from Dallas, but as many will attest San Antonio, which is where I was raised, is Cowboy country.
And many Germans were just being patriotic.
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And many Germans were just being patriotic.
Hey Lurch! Please cease Cowboyfan-baiting! I hate the Cowboys as much as anyone, but consider this: they will be completely insufferable if the Texans lose on Sunday! Or, perish the thought, the Cowboys make the playoffs and the Texans don't! It's a matter of maintaining harmony.
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Tell that to the thousands of "UT Fans" that have never stepped foot on the UT campus, particularly in a UT classroom.
What about those that didn't attend UT or live/grew up in Austin?
Meh. While my allegiance is to Baylor, my favorite non-Baylor team is the Longhorns. Just kind of a Texan living outside of Texas thing...
*note: I stepped on the UT campus a number of times when I was at Baylor. I remember very few of those times - thank you 6th street - but I was there!
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While my allegiance is to Baylor, my favorite non-Baylor team is the Longhorns. Just kind of a Texan living outside of Texas thing...
Whoa whoa whoa... No sir. Is your favorite non-Astros MLB team the Cubs, b/c you miss the Central Division? I lived a thousand miles from Texas for a time, as well, and seeing burnt orange t-shirts around Philadelphia (even for sale at a local department store) only made me dislike the Longhorns more.
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Whoa whoa whoa... No sir. Is your favorite non-Astros MLB team the Cubs
Thems fightin' words right there Mr.
I lived a thousand miles from Texas for a time, as well, and seeing burnt orange t-shirts around Philadelphia (even for sale at a local department store) only made me dislike the Longhorns more.
I've seen 1 meaningful Baylor game vs. an Oregon team in the last decade or so. 2006(?) CSW game against Oregon State (Bears won). Only one in the place rooting for the Bears. But for the fact that the others in the bar were Oregonians I'd've gotten my ass kicked...
But I digress. Every game an Oregon teams plays against the Longhorns, folks here come out of the woodwork to taunt me about it. I guess I'm the only Texan they know (kind of like getting taunted in November presidential elections, but there I know that I am the only republican type that these Portlanders know...). After a while, it becomes more about defending your roots (Texas), than rooting for the Longhorns. You do that for a decade or so and you kind of develop a rooting interest. Just sayin'...
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Hey Lurch! Please cease Cowboyfan-baiting! I hate the Cowboys as much as anyone, but consider this: they will be completely insufferable if the Texans lose on Sunday! Or, perish the thought, the Cowboys make the playoffs and the Texans don't! It's a matter of maintaining harmony.
What I'm most apprehensive for this game is a repeat of the Texans-Titans home game toward the end of the inaugural season, where the crowd was just too hyped up and too expectant of some imaginary Bud Adams pig roast that the result was just audience confusion and flat play by the team. This Texans team is obviously way better than that one, but if I'm the Cowboys I throw the kitchen sink at the Texans in the first quarter.
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Thems fightin' words right there Mr.
I've seen 1 meaningful Baylor game vs. an Oregon team in the last decade or so. 2006(?) CSW game against Oregon State (Bears won). Only one in the place rooting for the Bears. But for the fact that the others in the bar were Oregonians I'd've gotten my ass kicked...
Wait a minute, you're talking about Oregonians kicking somebody's ass? In what imaginary bar was this?
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Wait a minute, you're talking about Oregonians kicking somebody's ass? In what imaginary bar was this?
That was my point ("But for the fact that the others in the bar were Oregonians I'd've gotten my ass kicked...") - I was in Portland, Oregon so there was no danger of getting my ass kicked.
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But I digress. Every game an Oregon teams plays against the Longhorns, folks here come out of the woodwork to taunt me about it. I guess I'm the only Texan they know (kind of like getting taunted in November presidential elections, but there I know that I am the only republican type that these Portlanders know...). After a while, it becomes more about defending your roots (Texas), than rooting for the Longhorns. You do that for a decade or so and you kind of develop a rooting interest. Just sayin'...
This is where your reasoning is flawed. Just because people make assumptions about you doesn't mean you have to end up adopting those assumptions.
When I've travelled internationally and told people I'm from Texas, they'll go off on how absurd it is that a "civilized" nation uses the death penalty and how Texas kills the most people. I guess they are expecting a debate with me, and that because I'm from Texas I'm in favor of the death penalty. I happen to not be and refuse to stick up for the death penalty. Just because they make a snap assumption of me doesn't mean I have to live up to it. It's no different with the Longhorns.
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My experience on the East Coast is that if you tell people you are from Texas they assume you're a Cowboys fan. In fact, that's usually the first thing out of their mouths (besides, in my case, why don't you have an accent). College football is not all that important here so it doesn't come up. No East Coast baseball fan acknowledges baseball teams West of the Mississippi.
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When I've travelled internationally and told people I'm from Texas, they'll go off on how absurd it is that a "civilized" nation uses the death penalty and how Texas kills the most people.
Not sure who you are hanging out with for such depressing conversation. Most of the people I meet want to know what the weather is like, do I have horse, and does everyone there talk funny (like me).
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Not sure who you are hanging out with for such depressing conversation. Most of the people I meet want to know what the weather is like, do I have horse, and does everyone there talk funny (like me).
Scandanavian girls.
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Not sure who you are hanging out with for such depressing conversation. Most of the people I meet want to know what the weather is like, do I have horse, and does everyone there talk funny (like me).
I do allow them to continue to believe we have longhorns on the front of our cars.
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Scandanavian girls.
French and Italian, too. Its on their list of things about America they aren't supposed to like.
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French and Italian, too. Its on their list of things about America they aren't supposed to like.
Before or after unclipped cock?
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Before or after unclipped cock?
I think you have that backwards.
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Before or after unclipped cock?
Try new FORESKIN-B-GON!™
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Scandanavian girls.
Got to talk about something until the hour's up I guess.
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You see Oregon yet?
Called it 2.5 months ago. Should have put money down.
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Called it 2.5 months ago. Should have put money down.
Loser.
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How are we 6th? I'm not saying we're terrible or anything, but 6th?
Didn't quite call it. We were, in fact, terrible.