Football this weekend (Sept 18-19)

[Bench]

I haven't heard or read this sort of thing since listening and reading Charlie Pallilo on 790 the Sports Animal.

How do you read a radio show?

[Astroholic]

Better than Kubiak at managing a game?  Of course I could.  He may be the only one though.

Okay.

[matadorph]

In other words, no.

You don't have to go all 64 yards to score on that play.  Seriously, are you really this stupid?

First off, go fuck yourself. Second, fuck yourself again. This time harder and with the same stubborn level of spitefucking you save for Gary Kubiak, your personal nemesis.

Do you not understand what :03 means? Or were you praying for a miracle PI penalty?

[HudsonHawk]

First off, go fuck yourself. Second, fuck yourself again. This time harder and with the same stubborn level of spitefucking you save for Gary Kubiak, your personal nemesis.

Do you not understand what :03 means? Or were you praying for a miracle PI penalty?

Still don't have a point, I see.  Keep typing though, you're not that far off from a monkey.

[HudsonHawk]

How do you read a radio show?

Noe has skills. 

[Bench]

Noe has skills. 

I was waiting for something along the lines of "from left to right across your radio dial."

[matadorph]

Still don't have a point, I see.  Keep typing though, you're not that far off from a monkey.

And you need an instruction manual for your rocking chair.

Three seconds, dumb fuck.

[HudsonHawk]

And you need an instruction manual for your rocking chair.

Three seconds, dumb fuck.

Yes three seconds.  Nothing gets by you.

[matadorph]

I can just see it now. Schaub drops back to pass for a last second miracle play, gets creamed by Orakpo and separates his throwing shoulder, and HH sings Kubiak's praises.

[matadorph]

Yes three seconds.  Nothing gets by you.

Seventy yards from the end zone. Forty yards from Rackers' FG range. But you wouldn't know that because you think he's Jason Elam.

[Astroholic]

I can just see it now. Schaub drops back to pass for a last second miracle play, gets creamed by Orakpo and separates his throwing shoulder, and HH sings Kubiak's praises.

I keep saying that the correct decision was made on that play.  It is the several plays before that I am questioning.  Again I dont think Kubiak is calling the plays.


Coaching is a lot like gambling. Play the percentages sometimes you win..

[MusicMan]

My statement was 100% spot on.  Everyone but you can see it.  You're wrong, and you're embarassed about it.  And I would respectfully request that you don't call my intergrity into question when you are so.

Even when presented with the exact statement that shows I specifically mentioned the posibility of making the kick, you say your are 100% spot on in stating that I was unwilling or unable to consider the possibility of making the kick, and you have the nerve to talk about your integrity.

I'm done with you.

[matadorph]

I keep saying that the correct decision was made on that play.  It is the several plays before that I am questioning.  Again I dont think Kubiak is calling the plays.


Coaching is a lot like gambling. Play the percentages sometimes you win..

Vonnie Holliday made a big play with 27 seconds left on second down when he batted that pass at the line of scrimmage. Jacoby Jones was open on the sideline for a short gain which likely would've put them in a 3rd and short, if not a first down, instead of 3rd and 6.

[Astroholic]

Vonnie Holliday made a big play with 27 seconds left on second down when he batted that pass at the line of scrimmage. Jacoby Jones was open on the sideline for a short gain which likely would've put them in a 3rd and short, if not a first down, instead of 3rd and 6.

Basically, two screen plays.  The middle of the field was open all day long. Throw the ball down the field.

[Ebby Calvin]

Seriously, HH.
Did Kubiak make the right call?  Did he step on his dick?  On one hand, yes, Kubiak is an Aggie, and therefore prone to dick-stepping.  On the other, he's a NFL head coach, so by title alone it's assumed he knows more about managing than the average NFL fan.
So you can handle this in two ways - 1) argue until you convince everybody here that you're right (25% odds of conversion), or 2) punt.

You have 3 seconds to decide.

[Noe]

How do you read a radio show?

He has a blog (for his show).  Aptly named the "Pallilog".

[sporadic]

At the time I thought it was the worst decision ever (not attmepting the FG).  Since, I have called my dad...he said that it all depends on your kicker.  If you think he has enough leg, kick it.  If not, punt and play your butt off on defense. 

[Noe]

Noe has skills. 

Yup, I have reading skills fer sure.  Grammar not so much.

[HudsonHawk]

Seventy yards from the end zone. Forty yards from Rackers' FG range. But you wouldn't know that because you think he's Jason Elam.

Not only are you stupid, but you can't add either.  

[HudsonHawk]

Even when presented with the exact statement that shows I specifically mentioned the posibility of making the kick, you say your are 100% spot on in stating that I was unwilling or unable to consider the possibility of making the kick, and you have the nerve to talk about your integrity.

I'm done with you.

I was 100% spot on about your flawed reasoning.  But for whatever reason, you're too embarassed to admit it, and instead take refuge in calling me a liar for pointing it out to you.  Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[HudsonHawk]

I can just see it now. Schaub drops back to pass for a last second miracle play, gets creamed by Orakpo and separates his throwing shoulder, and HH sings Kubiak's praises.

You're right.  Football is a dangerous game.  They should quit trying to win, it only exacerbates the problem.

[HudsonHawk]

Seriously, HH.
Did Kubiak make the right call?  Did he step on his dick?  On one hand, yes, Kubiak is an Aggie, and therefore prone to dick-stepping.  On the other, he's a NFL head coach, so by title alone it's assumed he knows more about managing than the average NFL fan.
So you can handle this in two ways - 1) argue until you convince everybody here that you're right (25% odds of conversion), or 2) punt.

You have 3 seconds to decide.

I don't have to do either.  I know I'm right.  Everyone with a thimble full of football sense knows I'm right.

[Bench]

I don't have to do either.  I know I'm right.  Everyone with a thimble full of football sense knows I'm right.

What if Rackers was born without a right leg?

[Noe]

What if Rackers was born without a right leg?

Is there an NFL rule against peg-legged kickers?  I know they have the Tom Dempsey rule, but not a Captain Hook rule that I can remember.

[HudsonHawk]

What if Rackers was born without a right leg?

Then I'd imagine he'd be left-footed. 

[Guinness]

Then I'd imagine he'd be left-footed. 

doesn't saying someone is left footed suggest that they have a right foot as well?  If you only have one leg, wouldn't you be simply "footed"?

[Lurch]

doesn't saying someone is left footed suggest that they have a right foot as well?  If you only have one leg, wouldn't you be simply "footed"?

As a kicker, they'd be fetid

[Astroholic]

I know I'm right.  Everyone with a thimble full of football sense knows I'm right.

As long as you know you are right.  The rest of us that don't agree with you are dumb asses.  got it.

[HudsonHawk]

As long as you know you are right.  The rest of us that don't agree with you are dumb asses.  got it.

No the ones of you who continue to argue untenable positions, pages and pages after your flawed logic has been pointed out to you are dumb asses.

[roadrunner]

Kubiak's decision was defendable for multiple reasons and he was ultimately successful.  I don't know how you can be so adamant that it was the wrong decision, but HH is obviously a Kubiak hater and this one was teed up for people like him.

What I do appreciate is Kubiak obviously does not give a shit about what people think of his decisions, because if that had not worked he might as well have started digging a grave for himself.  If Rackers kicks and misses (which is probably what would've happened), then it's the kicker's fault and not Kubiak.  Believe it or not, Kubiak was putting the team in the BEST position to win the game and would've been given 100% of the blame for the loss.  He knew all this and still made the decision that he felt was right.  Even though everyone thought Kubiak was a pussy for punting, it was actually the opposite.

[austro]

If Rackers kicks and misses (which is probably what would've happened)

I don't think there's any way Rackers can kick a 53-yd field goal, even with a tail wind. The biggest risk was a block, since Rackers probably would have lowered his trajectory to try to eke out every last inch. And a block probably would have put Washington close to field-goal range right away.

[Astroholic]

No the ones of you who continue to argue untenable positions, pages and pages after your flawed logic has been pointed out to you are dumb asses.

get over yourself.  Just because people don't agree with you..whatever Im done.

[matadorph]

No the ones of you who continue to argue untenable positions, pages and pages after your flawed logic has been pointed out to you are dumb asses.

"Put an unadulterated David Carr in this offense and his numbers are better than Schaub's. The Texans also probably make the playoffs last year with Carr.  Put Schaub in the Texans' offense of 6 years ago and he's far worse."

You are too egotistical and hard-headed to admit you've ever been wrong about anything, and you want to dish out lectures about untenable positions and flawed logic? Logical, reasoned analysis does not exist in any of your posts when the topic turns to Gary Kubiak. Just shut the fuck up already.

[Gizzmonic]

Just got back to NC from Lubbock.  Went to the Texas Tech-UT game w/my in-laws.  They're all Red Raiders, so a Tech loss usually means an unpleasant weekend of endless bitching about refs, but they took it in stride this time.  I think they were really happy about Tech showing any signs of defensive prowess.

And I'm still ecstatic about the Texans!  Can't believe they actually won.

[chuck]

The biggest risk was a block, since Rackers probably would have lowered his trajectory to try to eke out every last inch. And a block probably would have put Washington close to field-goal range right away.

I've been thinking about this, too, and you are absolutely right. A block was a very real possibility with a kick of that distance and a block would have been suicidal.

What's great is that after eight years we are arguing over a point in a game that some people think was badly misplayed while the rest of us think the decision making was perfectly acceptable and rational. But unlike previous post-game arguments the result of the game was a Texan win. I think we're probably all still a little in shock over that.

Ahmadinejad's on Charlie Rose. I'd been wondering what happened to Borat's gray suit.

[HudsonHawk]

"Put an unadulterated David Carr in this offense and his numbers are better than Schaub's. The Texans also probably make the playoffs last year with Carr.  Put Schaub in the Texans' offense of 6 years ago and he's far worse."

You are too egotistical and hard-headed to admit you've ever been wrong about anything, and you want to dish out lectures about untenable positions and flawed logic? Logical, reasoned analysis does not exist in any of your posts when the topic turns to Gary Kubiak. Just shut the fuck up already.

Wrong about what?  That statement is 100% spot on.  When you learn something about football other than how to run a fantasy team, then you might have a point. Until then, I guess I'll have to continue to keep schooling your dumb ass.

[HudsonHawk]

get over yourself.  Just because people don't agree with you..whatever Im done.

You gonna make a point?

[HudsonHawk]

Kubiak's decision was defendable for multiple reasons and he was ultimately successful. 

This is the same flawed logic used by MM.  You can't judge the decision based on the result.  Until you realize that, you have no argument.

I don't know how you can be so adamant that it was the wrong decision, but HH is obviously a Kubiak hater and this one was teed up for people like him.

Because it was the wrong decision.  And I don't like Kubiak precisely because he makes dumbshit calls.  Like this one.

[Astroholic]

You gonna make a point?

nope I am done arguing with you about this.  I have not seen 1 person on this board support you, but you are smarter than everyone else.  Like MM, I am done.

[HudsonHawk]

nope I am done arguing with you about this.  I have not seen 1 person on this board support you, but you are smarter than everyone else.  Like MM, I am done.

Several people agree with me.  Not that it matters though.

[Astroholic]

Several people agree with me.  Not that it matters though.

I agree with your theory, just don't agree that the Texans have the personnel to execute the play.

[Rebel Jew]

I've been thinking about this, too, and you are absolutely right. A block was a very real possibility with a kick of that distance and a block would have been suicidal.

What's great is that after eight years we are arguing over a point in a game that some people think was badly misplayed while the rest of us think the decision making was perfectly acceptable and rational. But unlike previous post-game arguments the result of the game was a Texan win. I think we're probably all still a little in shock over that.

Ahmadinejad's on Charlie Rose. I'd been wondering what happened to Borat's gray suit.

Yeah, I mean what we should be arguing about is how much the Cowboys fucking suck bro and how we're gonna fucking beat their asses on sunday

[chuck]

Yeah, I mean what we should be arguing about is how much the Cowboys fucking suck bro and how we're gonna fucking beat their asses on sunday

See, that's where you're mistaken. There's really not much to argue about there. Once the needle hits maximum suckitude gradations cease to be relevant.

[austro]

Wounded animal. Corner. Danger.

[chuck]

Wounded animal. Corner. Danger.

Shoot the fucker.

[Lurch]

Shoot the fucker.

Punt, you might miss

[Astroholic]

Punt, you might miss

not if you have a big enough gun.

[MusicMan]

Wounded animal. Corner. Danger.

Since I presume playing "the tape" to distract Miles Austin is out of the question, can we at least have Carrie Underwood sing the national anthem?

No, I am not willing to resort to Jessica Simpson.  A man has his limits.

[Astroholic]

Since I presume playing "the tape" to distract Miles Austin is out of the question, can we at least have Carrie Underwood sing the national anthem?

No, I am not willing to resort to Jessica Simpson.  A man has his limits.

Reliant will be so amped up that I don't think any distractions will be necessary.

[MusicMan]

Reliant will be so amped up that I don't think any distractions will be necessary.

I'm looking for specifics to target their legion of headcase players.  Romo, Williams, Bryant...  there's just such a rich mine of material.

[Bench]

Since I presume playing "the tape" to distract Miles Austin is out of the question, can we at least have Carrie Underwood sing the national anthem?

No, I am not willing to resort to Jessica Simpson.  A man has his limits.

Showing the Kim Kardashian sex tape is fine but Jessica Simpson no?  I don't follow...

[BudGirl]

Showing the Kim Kardashian sex tape is fine but Jessica Simpson no?  I don't follow...

Well, she used to date Romo.  Romo had playing issues while they dated.

[MusicMan]

Showing the Kim Kardashian sex tape is fine but Jessica Simpson no?  I don't follow...

Have you ever heard Jessica "sing"??

[chuck]

Romo had playing issues while they dated.

His 'playing issues' have lingered like an untreated case of the clap.

[BudGirl]

His 'playing issues' have lingered like an untreated case of the clap.

I said the other day, out of respect for sporadic, I don't share my opinion of Romo.

[Bench]

Well, she used to date Romo.  Romo had playing issues while they dated.

I know her relevance to the Cowboys, I just don't see why MM would bother draggin out Kardashian but draw the line at Simpson.

(By the way, Miles and Kim broke up last weekend).

[MusicMan]

I know her relevance to the Cowboys, I just don't see why MM would bother draggin out Kardashian but draw the line at Simpson.

(By the way, Miles and Kim broke up last weekend).

I didn't know she and Miles broke up.  That's why.

And KK's performance has to be better than Jessica's.

[Bench]

And KK's performance has to be better than Jessica's.

No talent is better than negative talent?

[MusicMan]

No talent is better than negative talent?

Bingo.

[sporadic]

His 'playing issues' have lingered like an untreated case of the clap.

Yeah, he had a god-awful year last year (insert sarcasm throughout).  Not his fault they have an idiot OC.  That being said, am I completely happy with him?  Absolutely not.  He needs to be more assertive with the team, be a better leader.  I have said it before and I'll say it again...he is not the underlying problem with this team.  And, I bet there are about 25 GM's that would swap QB's with the Cowboys and not look back.

[Astroholic]

  And, I bet there are about 25 GM's that would swap QB's with the Cowboys and not look back.

Name them.  I would go with about 13, but 25 is kind of high.

[sporadic]

I said the other day, out of respect for sporadic, I don't share my opinion of Romo.

It's all good, fire what you feel out there.  I jsut have a different opinion.  Things could be a hell of a lot worse.  If he gets injured you will find out the hard way.

[Noe]

Bingo.

Just so I catch up with the arguments so far: KK is a punter and Simpson is the place kicker... right?

[MusicMan]

And, I bet there are about 25 GM's that would swap QB's with the Cowboys and not look back.

Absolutely would not:

Colts
Saints
Packers
Patriots
Giants
Texans
Falcons
Ravens
Vikings

[HudsonHawk]

It's all good, fire what you feel out there.  I jsut have a different opinion.  Things could be a hell of a lot worse.  If he gets injured you will find out the hard way.

The Cowboys getting worse would be the greatest thing that could possibly happen.

[MusicMan]

Just so I catch up with the arguments so far: KK is a punter and Simpson is the place kicker... right?

KK is clearly a wide receiver.

[sporadic]

Name them.  I would go with about 13, but 25 is kind of high.

Not like I have taken a poll of GM's, a personal opinion.  With my past gambling history it is probably way off...

BUT..

I would only trade Manning (P), Rivers, Brees, Schaub or Brady for Romo.

[Astroholic]

It's all good, fire what you feel out there.  I jsut have a different opinion.  Things could be a hell of a lot worse.  If he gets injured you will find out the hard way.

I won't find out the hard way, because frankly I don't give a damn about the cowboys.

Just thought it was interesting as on 1560 yesterday Sean and John were going over the top qb's in the NFL and the last 13 were brutal.  The next group up from brutal included Romo.  Honestly, I don't think he is horrible.  If he gets out of the pocket, he tends to force the ball and bad things happen.

[HudsonHawk]

Not like I have taken a poll of GM's, a personal opinion.  With my past gambling history it is probably way off...

BUT..

I would only trade Manning (P), Rivers, Brees, Schaub or Brady for Romo.

Then you're absolutely nuts.  Any GM who traded one of those guys for Romo would lose his job before the ink dries on the trade document.

[BudGirl]

It's all good, fire what you feel out there.  I jsut have a different opinion.  Things could be a hell of a lot worse.  If he gets injured you will find out the hard way.

I haven't blamed Romo for a loss yet this season.  But I totally agree that he needs to nut up and lead this team.  If the QB doesn't lead, the team doesn't win.  And I think that for any and all teams.

[Astroholic]

Not like I have taken a poll of GM's, a personal opinion.  With my past gambling history it is probably way off...

BUT..

I would only trade Manning (P), Rivers, Brees, Schaub or Brady for Romo.

Your blue glasses are on.

[Jacksonian]

Absolutely would not:

Colts
Saints
Packers
Patriots
Giants
Texans
Falcons
Ravens
Vikings

Chargers makes 10.

[Jacksonian]

Not like I have taken a poll of GM's, a personal opinion.  With my past gambling history it is probably way off...

BUT..

I would only trade Manning (P), Rivers, Brees, Schaub or Brady for Romo.

I take it you're a Cowboy homer.

[BizidyDizidy]

Eagles
Giants
Jets
Bears

[HudsonHawk]

Chargers makes 10.

You could throw the Jets and Giants in there too.  Possibly the Bengals.

[sporadic]

Absolutely would not:

Colts
Saints
Packers
Patriots
Giants
Texans
Falcons
Ravens
Vikings

I agree with Colts, Saints, Packers, Pats, Texans...but I think Minn would be a fool to not replace Favre with Romo.  As would Atlanta, Baltimore and NYG.  Again, my opinion.  Not like it means a damn thing.  Alos, please note thta I am a rather huge homer.  Getting me to admit our guy may not be better than somebody else's is a feat in itself.

[Jacksonian]

You could throw the Jets and Giants in there too.  Possibly the Bengals.

If the Jets then also the 49ers.  If last night was Smith's coming out party, look out.

[HudsonHawk]

If the Jets then also the 49ers.  If last night was Smith's coming out party, look out.

Yep.  Let's face it...Romo *may* be in the top half, may not be. 

[sporadic]

Then you're absolutely nuts.  Any GM who traded one of those guys for Romo would lose his job before the ink dries on the trade document.

ONLY trade for those guys

[BizidyDizidy]

I agree that you can probably take minnesota off. But add kansas city.

[MusicMan]

But add kansas city.

Whiskey.
Tango.
Foxtrot.

[MusicMan]

Chargers makes 10.

Thanks, I knew I was missing someone.

Also, Rams would likely not cut bait on Bradford yet.

[BizidyDizidy]

Cassell showed more in his stint with the pats than romo has showed me - and romo has had a great cast.

[MusicMan]

Cassell showed more in his stint with the pats than romo has showed me - and romo has had a great cast.

Cassell has also shown in KC that it was a fluke.

[BudGirl]

Cassell showed more in his stint with the pats than romo has showed me - and romo has had a great cast.

Jason Garrett played once on Thanksgiving Day and won.  Guess he should have replaced Troy Aikman.

[BizidyDizidy]

We'll see at the end of the year - cassell came into an awful KC team. Also, 2-0 vs 0-2.

[Jacksonian]

Yep.  Let's face it...Romo *may* be in the top half, may not be. 

Teams that would probably trade for Romo: Carolina, Cleveland, Buffalo, Oakland, Arizona.  Maybe Seattle, Kansas City, and Jacksonville.

[subnuclear]

Nobody likes McNabb?

[Jacksonian]

Thanks, I knew I was missing someone.

Also, Rams would likely not cut bait on Bradford yet.

And neither the Lions on Stafford despite the injury.

[Bench]

KK is clearly a wide receiver.

Tailback.

[Jacksonian]

Nobody likes McNabb?

McNabb is fine and in no way a downgrade from Romo.

[geezerdonk]

When it comes to the Cowboys, all I can think about is why would someone with that much money have such: (i) bad teeth, (ii) a bad rug and (iii) a failed face lift.

[sporadic]

Nobody likes McNabb?

he is about the same guy as Romo.  Put up nice stats, but not been able to "win the big one".  now, I don't agree with that 100%, as getting to the NFC Championship game so many times is tough to do, but that is one of the main knocks on Romo so I am throwing it right back at Dante.  And he is long in the tooth.  Why make a lateral move with an older guy?

[sporadic]

I meant Donovan, obviously.

[BudGirl]

I meant Donovan, obviously.

I thought you might have meant Culpepper.

[sporadic]

I thought you might have meant Culpepper.

don't rightly know why I was thinking Culpepper while typing about McNabb.  Can't believe with all the dregs out there nobody has taken a flier on Culpepper.  He seems like he would HAVE to be an upgrade over some of the crap getting trotted out every week nowadays.

[Rebel Jew]

he is about the same guy as Romo.  Put up nice stats, but not been able to "win the big one".  now, I don't agree with that 100%, as getting to the NFC Championship game so many times is tough to do, but that is one of the main knocks on Romo so I am throwing it right back at Dante.  And he is long in the tooth.  Why make a lateral move with an older guy?

See this is the thing with Cowboy fans.  Their semi-talented players become flawed superheroes, as though the only reason why all their guys aren't dominant superstars is some abstract, fixable psychological flaw.  Like, it's not that Romo isn't as talented a quarterback as the top 10 qb's in the league, it's because he allows himself to become distracted, or he's not enough of a leader, or he chokes in big games.  It can't be that he's an above-average quarterback who can be neutralized by good teams, can't be.  From watching the Cowboys, the only players that I see repped as superstars who actually consistently produce like stars are Miles Austin, Whitten, Demarcus Ware, and sometimes Ratliff.  "No way!  Felix Jones!  27 teams in the league would trade their RB's for him!  He'd rush for 2,000 yards if our OC knew how to call plays."

[Gizzmonic]

I've always liked Donovan McNabb, I don't know why people shit on him so much.  He was a one-man show in Philly for so many years, yet he never gets any recognition.

[Astroholic]

See this is the thing with Cowboy fans.  Their semi-talented players become flawed superheroes, as though the only reason why all their guys aren't dominant superstars is some abstract, fixable psychological flaw.  Like, it's not that Romo isn't as talented a quarterback as the top 10 qb's in the league, it's because he allows himself to become distracted, or he's not enough of a leader, or he chokes in big games.  It can't be that he's an above-average quarterback who can be neutralized by good teams, can't be.  From watching the Cowboys, the only players that I see repped as superstars who actually consistently produce like stars are Miles Austin, Whitten, Demarcus Ware, and sometimes Ratliff.  "No way!  Felix Jones!  27 teams in the league would trade their RB's for him!  He'd rush for 2,000 yards if our OC knew how to call plays."

Also looks like Dez will be a player.

[Rebel Jew]

Also looks like Dez will be a player.

He's already a superstar!!!!!!  37 teams would trade their #1 wide receivers for him already!

[Noe]

I'm surprised by these comments by all you so-called football fans (which I am not, so I am totally ignorant in what I say most of the time when it comes to the NFL).  The reason I'm surprised is that you guys are trying to figure out what club would basically swap what they have for a Tony Romo.  What I am led to understand is that it's the system that makes the quarterback and not the quarterback makes the system in the NFL.  In college, a offensive coordinator would tailor his offense to match the talent of the quarterback (see: Young, Vince).  In the NFL, because of the sophistication and prowess of NFL defenses, you need to have the quarterback match the system you run.  IOW - Payton Manning is Payton Manning because the Colts run a system that fits his talent and what is left is to execute said system.  

I listened the other day to a discussion on Matt Lineart.   Lineart is considered a bust by most and by others he is considered an NFL talent that was in the wrong system in Arizona.  Put Lineart in the *right* system for his talent and you get a really good, productive NFL quarterback.  I have also heard that Drew Brees, traded *away* from San Diego, is a perfect fit in New Orleans because he matched the system of short passes, quick reads, get it to the receiver in the best position to allow them to gain the yardage down field (rather than throw down field).  So this talk about swapping Romo is strange to me.  Why would Romo be a fit somewhere else, like say San Diego?  Is the system they run fitting of skills or would that be a horrible transition to make?  I don't know about rating a skill of a quarterback other than a very high level (re: not in-depth).  What are Romo's percieved skill sets?  Strong arm?  Quick reads?  Good touch passer?  What?

Then when you tell anyone what that skill set is, then isn't it better to then argue where Romo would fit in the schemes run at certain NFL organizations?  Y'all seem to be arguing without providing any insights at all other than you're arguing for arguing sake.  What happened to the SnS I once knew!!!

[MusicMan]

He's already a superstar!!!!!!  37 teams would trade their #1 wide receivers for him already!

Other than the 20 that refused to draft him!

[MusicMan]

I'm surprised by these comments by all you so-called football fans (which I am not, so I am totally ignorant in what I say most of the time when it comes to the NFL).  The reason I'm surprised is that you guys are trying to figure out what club would basically swap what they have for a Tony Romo.  What I am led to understand is that it's the system that makes the quarterback and not the quarterback makes the system in the NFL.  In college, a offensive coordinator would tailor his offense to match the talent of the quarterback (see: Young, Vince).  In the NFL, because of the sophistication and prowess of NFL defenses, you need to have the quarterback match the system you run.  IOW - Payton Manning is Payton Manning because the Colts run a system that fits his talent and what is left is to execute said system. 

I disagree with all of this.  Fisher has tailored his system to Young and Johnson's skills.  Payton IS the system.  The Vikings hardly ran the same plays for Favre that they would have for Tavaris Jackson.

I listened the other day to a discussion on Matt Lineart.   Lineart is considered a bust by most and by others he is considered an NFL talent that was in the wrong system in Arizona.  Put Lineart in the *right* system for his talent and you get a really good, productive NFL quarterback. 

The only *right* system for Matt Leinart is "line keeps you clean for 10 seconds and receivers get massive separation".

I have also heard that Drew Brees, traded *away* from San Diego, is a perfect fit in New Orleans because he matched the system of short passes, quick reads, get it to the receiver in the best position to allow them to gain the yardage down field (rather than throw down field). 

Brees was a fit in SD too.  He makes better decisions than any QB in the league, bar none.

[sporadic]

"No way!  Felix Jones!  27 teams in the league would trade their RB's for him!  He'd rush for 2,000 yards if our OC knew how to call plays."

Fuck off.  You in no way represent my thoughts about the Cowboys.  And you never will.  My statement regarding the trading of Romo, however itis perceived, has nothing to do with another player, don't make this into soemthing it is not.  

[BudGirl]

See this is the thing with Cowboy fans.  Their semi-talented players become flawed superheroes, as though the only reason why all their guys aren't dominant superstars is some abstract, fixable psychological flaw.  Like, it's not that Romo isn't as talented a quarterback as the top 10 qb's in the league, it's because he allows himself to become distracted, or he's not enough of a leader, or he chokes in big games.  It can't be that he's an above-average quarterback who can be neutralized by good teams, can't be.  From watching the Cowboys, the only players that I see repped as superstars who actually consistently produce like stars are Miles Austin, Whitten, Demarcus Ware, and sometimes Ratliff.  "No way!  Felix Jones!  27 teams in the league would trade their RB's for him!  He'd rush for 2,000 yards if our OC knew how to call plays."

Every Cowboys fan believes are players are the best and there is no room for improvement.  Hell, just look at their record for proof.  There's no need to think they need to work on timing issues (Romo never tosses behind a receiver), no tackling drills (all tackles are wraps not bumps), and they never hold or interfer with the opposing team. 

I love Ware. And anyone that knows me knows that I've loved him for years now.  I'm getting a crush on the the little rookie #44, he reminds me of an old love (Johnston).  But if you think I don't know my team has serious issues and they will lose, think again.  Do I think they should be 2-0 not 0-2, hell yeah?  They've played some shitty, undiscipled football. 

And the way you seem to stereotype all Cowboys fans is the stereotypical response one gets from other fans.  They are my team, whether they suck or not.  Whether you, HH or anyone else says I'm going to hell for loving them.  Don't like them, then ignore them.  It's easy.

[Jacksonian]

I disagree with all of this.  Fisher has tailored his system to Young and Johnson's skills.  Payton IS the system.  The Vikings hardly ran the same plays for Favre that they would have for Tavaris Jackson.

The only *right* system for Matt Leinart is "line keeps you clean for 10 seconds and receivers get massive separation".

Brees was a fit in SD too.  He makes better decisions than any QB in the league, bar none.

The best quarterbacks can fit into any system.

And Noe, Brees does throw down field but not stupidly.  Sean Payton's offense is designed to do it a lot.

[Ron Brand]

They are my team, whether they suck or not.  Whether you, HH or anyone else says I'm going to hell for loving them.  Don't like them, then ignore them.  It's easy.

And that is why you are such a good Astro fan.

[Noe]

I disagree with all of this.  Fisher has tailored his system to Young and Johnson's skills.

Didn't he bench Young in favor of the backup who does *NOT* have the same skills as Young?  IOW - Fisher prefers someone who can make the right calls on offense in the scheme he runs.

Payton IS the system.

So you're saying that in the NFL, knock out the quarterback, you then make the whole entire system come crashing down on it's head?  WOW, the NFL sure is stupid then.

The Vikings hardly ran the same plays for Favre that they would have for Tavaris Jackson.

Aren't you making my point here?

The only *right* system for Matt Leinart is "line keeps you clean for 10 seconds and receivers get massive separation".

You're in the "he's a bust" crowd then?  Why is he even in the NFL then, seems to be a horrible idea to give him a job anywhere.  Are offensive coordinators that dumb?

Brees was a fit in SD too.  He makes better decisions than any QB in the league, bar none.

Does Brees have a strong arm?  I heard, and again I know little about the NFL, that Brees was not a fit because they *preferred* a system that befit Phillip River's very strong arm.  So I'm not trying to be a smart alleck, but this seems to be the general information I get when paying attention.  I guess I should not listen to the pundits when it comes to telling you what is the skill level and the various systems in the NFL designed to beat NFL defenses.  I heard that the NFL has basically become the league of the quarterback and wide receiver now.  Again, maybe I should stop listening and stay ignorant.

[Noe]

The best quarterbacks can fit into any system.

Is that Tony Romo's forte... a good quarterback that can fit *ANY* system.  Is that where you guys are arguing from or is the flaw with Romo that he does have some deficiencies that thus makes him more aptly fit to a certain system over another.

And Noe, Brees does throw down field but not stupidly.  Sean Payton's offense is designed to do it a lot.

I heard he doesn't have a strong arm and thus they pick and choose the down field, air it out type of plays.  See, that's what I get for listening in to NFL talk on the radio.  I heard Brees has the best skill and that is he is a coach on the field.  He makes the best reads of defenses and the system is designed to utilize that skill best.  He doesn't *NEED* to have a strong arm.

[HudsonHawk]

ONLY trade for those guys

That makes more sense.  But you're still nuts if you think those are the only guys as good or better than Romo. 

[MusicMan]

Didn't he bench Young in favor of the backup who does *NOT* have the same skills as Young?  IOW - Fisher prefers someone who can make the right calls on offense in the scheme he runs.

And he completely changed his offensive calls when Collins came in.  Because the offense with Young was ineffective.

So you're saying that in the NFL, knock out the quarterback, you then make the whole entire system come crashing down on it's head?  WOW, the NFL sure is stupid then.

With the Colts?  Yes, it's that simple.  It's like saying that the Bulls were stupid to run their offense through Jordan, or the Rockets for running through Hakeem.  You have a transcendent talent, you tailor everything to them.

Aren't you making my point here?

No.  If the Vikings had a system that they thought worked, they would have found a QB for that system, not found Favre and then changed the system.

You're in the "he's a bust" crowd then?  Why is he even in the NFL then, seems to be a horrible idea to give him a job anywhere.  Are offensive coordinators that dumb?

Desperate.  He's a third-string QB.  There are very, very, VERY few humans capable of playing QB in the NFL.  Evidence would say, fewer than 32.

Does Brees have a strong arm?  I heard, and again I know little about the NFL, that Brees was not a fit because they *preferred* a system that befit Phillip River's very strong arm.  

As said above, it's strong enough to go down the field.  SD kept Rivers b/c they were worried about Brees' injury, not b/c of his skills.

[HudsonHawk]

Didn't he bench Young in favor of the backup who does *NOT* have the same skills as Young?

Maybe Young quit.  Again.

[austro]

Maybe Young quit.  Again.

That ought to liven things up around here.

[HudsonHawk]

That ought to liven things up around here.

The anthill was too calm.

[Rebel Jew]

Every Cowboys fan believes are players are the best and there is no room for improvement.  Hell, just look at their record for proof.  There's no need to think they need to work on timing issues (Romo never tosses behind a receiver), no tackling drills (all tackles are wraps not bumps), and they never hold or interfer with the opposing team. 

I love Ware. And anyone that knows me knows that I've loved him for years now.  I'm getting a crush on the the little rookie #44, he reminds me of an old love (Johnston).  But if you think I don't know my team has serious issues and they will lose, think again.  Do I think they should be 2-0 not 0-2, hell yeah?  They've played some shitty, undiscipled football. 

And the way you seem to stereotype all Cowboys fans is the stereotypical response one gets from other fans.  They are my team, whether they suck or not.  Whether you, HH or anyone else says I'm going to hell for loving them.  Don't like them, then ignore them.  It's easy.

Every fan obviously tends to overrate their own team's players, but the Cowboys more than others seem to view all their guys as superstars, and more than other fans seem to project their players' faults as excuses rather than the lack of talent or skill that is really going on.  Most teams would look at a Romo-like quarterback, say a Cutler, Carson Palmer, Hassleback, Derek Anderson when he had his big year, and see him for what he is-- a pretty good QB who can win some games with a disciplined approach and the right talent around him.  But Cowboy fans, media, and management seem to regard Romo as a superstar quarterback, excusing anything less as the product of who his girlfriend is or his mental state in December or whatever.  Dez Bryant, for instance, is not a troubled, unrefined wide receiver with potential according to cowboy fans.  He's a goddamned superstar! and think nothing of trading or benching productive players like Patrick Crayton.  Roy Williams could be a productive player in the right role but fuck him!  he's not a superstar so let's talk shit about him and trade his ass!

[sporadic]

That makes more sense.  But you're still nuts if you think those are the only guys as good or better than Romo. 

Noted.  But I think you are nuts for making any argument about any scenario that makes David carr a better NFL QB than Matt Schaub.  

I am merely stating my opinion, which everyone has the option of disagreeing with.  

[HudsonHawk]

But I think you are nuts for making any argument about any scenario that makes David carr a better NFL QB than Matt Schaub.  

If that's the only reason you think I'm nuts, I'll consider you a fan of mine.

[sporadic]

Every fan obviously tends to overrate their own team's players, but the Cowboys more than others seem to view all their guys as superstars, and more than other fans seem to project their players' faults as excuses rather than the lack of talent or skill that is really going on.  Most teams would look at a Romo-like quarterback, say a Cutler, Carson Palmer, Hassleback, Derek Anderson when he had his big year, and see him for what he is-- a pretty good QB who can win some games with a disciplined approach and the right talent around him.  But Cowboy fans, media, and management seem to regard Romo as a superstar quarterback, excusing anything less as the product of who his girlfriend is or his mental state in December or whatever.  Dez Bryant, for instance, is not a troubled, unrefined wide receiver with potential according to cowboy fans.  He's a goddamned superstar! and think nothing of trading or benching productive players like Patrick Crayton.  Roy Williams could be a productive player in the right role but fuck him!  he's not a superstar so let's talk shit about him and trade his ass!

Yeah, the Cowboys are fucking crazy to have traded a disgruntled #3 receiver just to make room for a guy like Bryant.  Fucking idiots.

[Bench]

Didn't he bench Young in favor of the backup who does *NOT* have the same skills as Young?  IOW - Fisher prefers someone who can make the right calls on offense in the scheme he runs.

Vince turned the ball over a half dozen times in that game.  That's why he was benched.

So you're saying that in the NFL, knock out the quarterback, you then make the whole entire system come crashing down on it's head?  WOW, the NFL sure is stupid then.

Manning is the entire offense of the Colts.  Take out Manning, and the Colts are a 2 to 3 win team.  This isn't a very controversial statement.  

Does Brees have a strong arm?  I heard, and again I know little about the NFL, that Brees was not a fit because they *preferred* a system that befit Phillip River's very strong arm.  So I'm not trying to be a smart alleck, but this seems to be the general information I get when paying attention.  I guess I should not listen to the pundits when it comes to telling you what is the skill level and the various systems in the NFL designed to beat NFL defenses.  I heard that the NFL has basically become the league of the quarterback and wide receiver now.  Again, maybe I should stop listening and stay ignorant.

Brees was very good in San Diego.  They went with Rivers for age/physicality/public relations reasons.

[Rebel Jew]

Yeah, the Cowboys are fucking crazy to have traded a disgruntled #3 receiver just to make room for a guy like Bryant.  Fucking idiots.

He's disgruntled because your fanbase has treated him like dogshit from the moment it was apparent that he wasn't going to be a superstar

[sporadic]

He's disgruntled because your fanbase has treated him like dogshit from the moment it was apparent that he wasn't going to be a superstar

I liked him, alot.  Had the best hands on the team.  BUT, he is nowhere near the athletic freak that Dez Bryant is.  Whether that correlates to NFL success remains to be seen, but I completely agree to trading a player (that wants to be traded mind you) if he is not as good as the guy ultimately replacing him.  And, he got pissed because the writing was on the wall that somebody was going to lose playing time when Dez was drafted.  Think Miles Austin is going to sit?  Roy will end up on the sidelines in more sets this year if he does not watch out (I would like to say Roy is giving a MUCH better effort this year, I believe due to him relaizing how good Dez is).  Dez has only returned a punt for a touchdown and had 10 catches in two professional games.  I wonder what his numbers would look like if he was not so "unrefined"

[BudGirl]

He's disgruntled because your fanbase has treated him like dogshit from the moment it was apparent that he wasn't going to be a superstar

bullshit.  all anyone expected was him to catch the ball.  what they expect from every receiver.

[Rebel Jew]

I liked him, alot.  Had the best hands on the team.  BUT, he is nowhere near the athletic freak that Dez Bryant is.  Whether that correlates to NFL success remains to be seen, but I completely agree to trading a player (that wants to be traded mind you) if he is not as good as the guy ultimately replacing him.  And, he got pissed because the writing was on the wall that somebody was going to lose playing time when Dez was drafted.  Think Miles Austin is going to sit?  Roy will end up on the sidelines in more sets this year if he does not watch out (I would like to say Roy is giving a MUCH better effort this year, I believe due to him relaizing how good Dez is).  Dez has only returned a punt for a touchdown and had 10 catches in two professional games.  I wonder what his numbers would look like if he was not so "unrefined"

i think that's what annoys so many people when they look at the cowboys.  why would they draft dez bryant in the first place?  why not draft a couple of 2-5 round receivers if it's a position of minor need?  but no, they have to get the next superstar, the guy who is declared a superstar before he even plays a down, even though 20-whatever teams passed on him.  the guy who's buddies with deion and michael irvin, who's so entitled by the time he steps on the field that he openly criticizes the veteran in front of him, refuses traditional rookie hazing rituals, etc.  and it's the problem with roy williams too.  a lot of teams, including the team he came from, would love to have him as their #2 receiver or even #1 on a bad team, but it's the cowboys who give up bunches of draft picks for him and declare him the next superstar.  so then when he fails it's time to break out the pitchforks, but it is the same people who built him up who are tearing him down, and if dez bryant starts melting down or stagnates in his development then you're going to see the same treatment.

[sporadic]

i think that's what annoys so many people when they look at the cowboys.  why would they draft dez bryant in the first place?  why not draft a couple of 2-5 round receivers if it's a position of minor need?  but no, they have to get the next superstar, the guy who is declared a superstar before he even plays a down, even though 20-whatever teams passed on him.  the guy who's buddies with deion and michael irvin, who's so entitled by the time he steps on the field that he openly criticizes the veteran in front of him, refuses traditional rookie hazing rituals, etc.  and it's the problem with roy williams too.  a lot of teams, including the team he came from, would love to have him as their #2 receiver or even #1 on a bad team, but it's the cowboys who give up bunches of draft picks for him and declare him the next superstar.  so then when he fails it's time to break out the pitchforks, but it is the same people who built him up who are tearing him down, and if dez bryant starts melting down or stagnates in his development then you're going to see the same treatment.

They were not going to make the same mistake they made by not taking Randy Moss.  Dez was considered to be a top 5 talent by many "experts".  If you can get that guy at 20, you do it.  We will see how it pans out, but i in no way will throw stones at the organization for replacing a middle of the road NFL receiver with a very special skill set.

[MusicMan]

According to 1560, LT Duane Brown has been suspended 4 games for PED.

ETA: Schefter confirms.

[Andyzipp]

According to 1560, LT Duane Brown has been suspended 4 games for PED.

ETA: Schefter confirms.

Ephraim Salaam come on down.  Ugh.

[EasTexAstro]

According to 1560, LT Duane Brown has been suspended 4 games for PED.

ETA: Schefter confirms.

How did the Cowboys arrange that?

[Astroholic]

According to 1560, LT Duane Brown has been suspended 4 games for PED.

ETA: Schefter confirms.

Fuck.

[MusicMan]

How did the Cowboys arrange that?

Jerry's bucks by a lot of influence.

[MikeyBoy]

According to 1560, LT Duane Brown has been suspended 4 games for PED.

ETA: Schefter confirms.

You have got to be shittin me. Fuck.

[Jacksonian]

According to 1560, LT Duane Brown has been suspended 4 games for PED.

ETA: Schefter confirms.

You'll need a calculator to add up all the 3 step drops you'll see Sunday.

[Lurch]

According to 1560, LT Duane Brown has been suspended 4 games for PED.

ETA: Schefter confirms.

How could anyone be so fucking stupid?

[Rebel Jew]

According to 1560, LT Duane Brown has been suspended 4 games for PED.

ETA: Schefter confirms.

I am not in favor of this development

[austro]

How could anyone be so fucking stupid?

Surely it's just another case of Overtrained Athlete Syndrome.

[Astroholic]

Didnt the vikings two d ends avoid a suspension last year.  Use their defense.  How about an appeal?

[OregonStrosFan]

Surely it's just another case of Overtrained Athlete Syndrome.

Don't know how good of a team the Texans are, but they sure know their PEDs...


Anyway, on the suspension from Adam Wexler (via Twitter):

Duane Brown suspended for PED violation, says "I unknowingly took a supplement tainted w/ a banned substance...I have decided not to appeal"

[JaneDoe]

According to 1560, LT Duane Brown has been suspended 4 games for PED.

ETA: Schefter confirms.

This Tuesday just keeps getting better.  Shit.

[Lurch]

Didnt the vikings two d ends avoid a suspension last year.  Use their defense.  How about an appeal?

IIRC, that we're hearing about it means the appeal process (or the decision not to) has already completed.

[Astroholic]

IIRC, that we're hearing about it means the appeal process (or the decision not to) has already completed.

See that he decided to not appeal.  Everyone knew of the Viking players and their appeal before hand.

[Limey]

I see that the game is scheduled for 12:00pm CDT.  Presumably by now this is firm and the game won't be moved?

[chuck]

I see that the game is scheduled for 12:00pm CDT.  Presumably by now this is firm and the game won't be moved?

I don't think the flex scheduling starts until much later in the season.

[roadrunner]

See this is the thing with Cowboy fans.  Their semi-talented players become flawed superheroes, as though the only reason why all their guys aren't dominant superstars is some abstract, fixable psychological flaw.  Like, it's not that Romo isn't as talented a quarterback as the top 10 qb's in the league, it's because he allows himself to become distracted, or he's not enough of a leader, or he chokes in big games.  It can't be that he's an above-average quarterback who can be neutralized by good teams, can't be.  From watching the Cowboys, the only players that I see repped as superstars who actually consistently produce like stars are Miles Austin, Whitten, Demarcus Ware, and sometimes Ratliff.  "No way!  Felix Jones!  27 teams in the league would trade their RB's for him!  He'd rush for 2,000 yards if our OC knew how to call plays."

Yeah this has always bugged me.  I also never understand why people call the Cowboys "the most talented team in the league".  What are they basing that on?  Drafting Dez Bryant and having 3 RBs that have had a good game at one point in their career? 

[DVauthrin]

I see that the game is scheduled for 12:00pm CDT.  Presumably by now this is firm and the game won't be moved?

I don't believe they move games this early in the season.

[Ty in Tampa]

I don't believe they move games this early in the season.

"The 2010 NFL schedule will again utilize flexible scheduling in Weeks 11-17."

Flexible Scheduling

[sporadic]

Yeah this has always bugged me.  I also never understand why people call the Cowboys "the most talented team in the league".  What are they basing that on?  Drafting Dez Bryant and having 3 RBs that have had a good game at one point in their career? 

don't know.  Probably because of guys they have on the roster like: Jason Whitten, Terrence Newman, DeMarcus Ware, Anthony Spencer, Andre Gurode, Jay Ratliff, Bradie James, Mike Jenkins, Matt McBriar (yes, he is a punter, but damn good), Leonard Davis, and Miles Austin. Along with the guys that have had "a good game in their career" as you stated.

DAMN good arguments can be made that Ware (OLB), Gurode (C), Jenkins (CB), Ratliff (NT/DL), McBriar (P), Austin (WR) and Whitten (TE) are all top 5 in the NFL at their positions.  7 positions where you are elite is pretty fucking talented, in my opinion.

[Astroholic]

don't know.  Probably because of guys they have on the roster like: Jason Whitten, Terrence Newman, DeMarcus Ware, Anthony Spencer, Andre Gurode, Jay Ratliff, Bradie James, Mike Jenkins, Matt McBriar (yes, he is a punter, but damn good), Leonard Davis, and Miles Austin. Along with the guys that have had "a good game in their career" as you stated.

DAMN good arguments can be made that Ware (OLB), Gurode (C), Jenkins (CB), Ratliff (NT/DL), McBriar (P), Austin (WR) and Whitten (TE) are all top 5 in the NFL at their positions.  7 positions where you are elite is pretty fucking talented, in my opinion.

I don't think Jenkins is top 5 yet.  Could be after a couple of more years.  Ware Yes.  Whitten maybe.  Austin no.  The rest I don't know.

[Lurch]

DAMN good arguments can be made that Ware (OLB), Gurode (C), Jenkins (CB), Ratliff (NT/DL), McBriar (P), Austin (WR) and Whitten (TE) are all top 5 in the NFL at their positions.  7 positions where you are elite is pretty fucking talented, in my opinion.

And, I bet there are about 25 GM's that would swap QB's with the Cowboys and not look back.

Just sayin.

[sporadic]

Just sayin.

I don't think he is top five.  My top 5 are Manning (P), Brees, Rivers, Schaub and Brady.  I would rank him 6 or 7.  "about 25" is what it is...my guesstimate.  

Astroholic, Miles Austin is a stud.  There has been ample time for defenses to "figure him out" and he is proving to be a legit elite #1 WR.  The only clear cut guy ahead of him is Andre Johnson (unquestionably #1 in the NFL), I would also take Larry Fitzgerald over Austin.  That's it.  For me at least.  Look at his numbers since becoming a starter....very, very, very good.

[hostros7]

I'd add roddy white, calvin johnson, and jennings to that list. 

[Rebel Jew]

don't know.  Probably because of guys they have on the roster like: Jason Whitten, Terrence Newman, DeMarcus Ware, Anthony Spencer, Andre Gurode, Jay Ratliff, Bradie James, Mike Jenkins, Matt McBriar (yes, he is a punter, but damn good), Leonard Davis, and Miles Austin. Along with the guys that have had "a good game in their career" as you stated.

DAMN good arguments can be made that Ware (OLB), Gurode (C), Jenkins (CB), Ratliff (NT/DL), McBriar (P), Austin (WR) and Whitten (TE) are all top 5 in the NFL at their positions.  7 positions where you are elite is pretty fucking talented, in my opinion.

Sporadic, for realz, do you not see how some of your posts fit this stereotype we're presenting about Cowboy fans/media/hangers-on?  See, I could do exactly what you're doing for the Texans or almost any other team really.  I'll take the players on a team that are solid players or at least have a rep for being solid players and I'll pretend like they're all stars, and then I'll take the best of that group and assert that they're top-of-the-league stars.

Here goes:  The reason people call the Texans so talented is probably because of guys like Eric Winston, Vonta Leach (yes, he is a fullback but damn good), Owen Daniels, Kevin Walter (yes, he is a #2 receiver but damn good), Andre Johnson, Antoine Caldwell, Arian Foster, Matt Schaub, Brian Cushing, Mario Williams, Bernard Pollard, Demeco Ryans.  DAMN good arguments can be made that Winston, Leach, Johnson, Schaub, Cushing, Williams, Pollard, Daniels (pre-knee-injury) and Ryans are all top 5 in the NFL at their positions.  9 positions where you are top 5 in the league is pretty fucking talented, in my opinion.

Sorry to make fun of your style, but don't you see how other ridiculous the Cowboy self-worship seems to other NFL fans?

[sporadic]

While you are fucking yourself, go make your list.  I never once said you guys were not a talented team, or that Dallas was more talented.  I was merely refuting the claim that they were not as talented as perceived.  They are very talented at a lot of positions, like the Texans are and have been the last few years.  This in no way makes them a great team, just a talented one.  As far as my fandom, I grew up watching the Cowboys and have been through all the highs and lows, never once bailing on them.  I am a true fan of that team, and not a delusional one.  I know when they are good, bad, capable, not capable, talented and not.  I am in no way a bandwagoner or stereotypical anything.  What you are is a stereotypical Cowboy basher.  I live and die every week with my team as you do yours, so don't fucking "for realz" me.

[MRaup]

While you are fucking yourself, go make your list.  I never once said you guys were not a talented team, or that Dallas was more talented.  I was merely refuting the claim that they were not as talented as perceived.  They are very talented at a lot of positions, like the Texans are and have been the last few years.  This in no way makes them a great team, just a talented one.  As far as my fandom, I grew up watching the Cowboys and have been through all the highs and lows, never once bailing on them.  I am a true fan of that team, and not a delusional one.  I know when they are good, bad, capable, not capable, talented and not.  I am in no way a bandwagoner or stereotypical anything.  What you are is a stereotypical Cowboy basher.  I live and die every week with my team as you do yours, so don't fucking "for realz" me.

Wow. That was pretty awesome.

[BudGirl]

While you are fucking yourself, go make your list.  I never once said you guys were not a talented team, or that Dallas was more talented.  I was merely refuting the claim that they were not as talented as perceived.  They are very talented at a lot of positions, like the Texans are and have been the last few years.  This in no way makes them a great team, just a talented one.  As far as my fandom, I grew up watching the Cowboys and have been through all the highs and lows, never once bailing on them.  I am a true fan of that team, and not a delusional one.  I know when they are good, bad, capable, not capable, talented and not.  I am in no way a bandwagoner or stereotypical anything.  What you are is a stereotypical Cowboy basher.  I live and die every week with my team as you do yours, so don't fucking "for realz" me.

+1

[Rebel Jew]

While you are fucking yourself, go make your list.  I never once said you guys were not a talented team, or that Dallas was more talented.  I was merely refuting the claim that they were not as talented as perceived.  They are very talented at a lot of positions, like the Texans are and have been the last few years.  This in no way makes them a great team, just a talented one.  As far as my fandom, I grew up watching the Cowboys and have been through all the highs and lows, never once bailing on them.  I am a true fan of that team, and not a delusional one.  I know when they are good, bad, capable, not capable, talented and not.  I am in no way a bandwagoner or stereotypical anything.  What you are is a stereotypical Cowboy basher.  I live and die every week with my team as you do yours, so don't fucking "for realz" me.

you have made several recent posts and claims about the talent of individual cowboys that are, at best, exaggerations.  i, like all other non-cowboy fans, routinely have to listen to media members and fans and hangers-on talk about cowboy players like they're all superstars and how any failings are the result of who their girlfriend is or who the coach is or whatever.  it's never because they're not as talented as the vikings or bears or whoever they lose to.  romo tends to play worse in december and the playoffs.  that can't possibly be because he faces better teams, and teams who have an entire year of film to figure him out.  no, it's because he's not enough of a leader or his girlfriend is some crappy singer or because jason garrett is a bad coordinator or wade doesn't crack the whip enough.

i know that real cowboy fans are not fair-weather fans, that is true.  certainly, there are douchebags around the country who veer in their direction when they're good or unusually glamorous but yes I know that's not real dallas.  nobody accuses their fans of not being devoted.

the texans seem to have some good players, as does almost every team, but i'm not delusional about them.  andre johnson is obviously a top 5 receiver, maybe higher.  honestly, that's really it.  schaub is starting to enter some elite discussions, but i don't think any texan fan wouldn't trade him right now for any one of the truly elite quarterbacks.  maybe cushing in a couple of years?  maybe eric winston?  i don't know, but i don't feel entitled about my team.  if they lose it's because they suck, it's not because of who their girlfriends are.

[Gizzmonic]

you have made several recent posts and claims about the talent of individual cowboys that are, at best, exaggerations.  i, like all other non-cowboy fans, routinely have to listen to media members and fans and hangers-on talk about cowboy players like they're all superstars and how any failings are the result of who their girlfriend is or who the coach is or whatever.  it's never because they're not as talented as the vikings or bears or whoever they lose to.  romo tends to play worse in december and the playoffs.  that can't possibly be because he faces better teams, and teams who have an entire year of film to figure him out.  no, it's because he's not enough of a leader or his girlfriend is some crappy singer or because jason garrett is a bad coordinator or wade doesn't crack the whip enough.

i know that real cowboy fans are not fair-weather fans, that is true.  certainly, there are douchebags around the country who veer in their direction when they're good or unusually glamorous but yes I know that's not real dallas.  nobody accuses their fans of not being devoted.

the texans seem to have some good players, as does almost every team, but i'm not delusional about them.  andre johnson is obviously a top 5 receiver, maybe higher.  honestly, that's really it.  schaub is starting to enter some elite discussions, but i don't think any texan fan wouldn't trade him right now for any one of the truly elite quarterbacks.  maybe cushing in a couple of years?  maybe eric winston?  i don't know, but i don't feel entitled about my team.  if they lose it's because they suck, it's not because of who their girlfriends are.

You just described San Antonio sports radio perfectly.  Romo sucks, Jerry Jones will find a winner because that's what he does, the Cowboys longsnapper is the best longsnapper in the NFL, etc etc.

[Astroholic]

You just described San Antonio sports radio perfectly.  Romo sucks, Jerry Jones will find a winner because that's what he does, the Cowboys longsnapper is the best longsnapper in the NFL, etc etc.

J Jones needs to find a winner to replace himself.

[Bench]

i know that real cowboy fans are not fair-weather fans, that is true.  certainly, there are douchebags around the country who veer in their direction when they're good or unusually glamorous but yes I know that's not real dallas.  

Joey, I'd like to reintroduce you to Bryce Harper.

He was on sports talk radio in D.C. talking about his fandom:

"If I'm rooting or somebody, it's the Dallas Cowboys," Harper said, while Holden Kushner and Brian Mitchell entered dueling states of cardiac arrest

Finally, Mitchell became sentient enough to ask why.

"Why do I like the Cowboys?" Harper repeated. "Because they were always a winner when I was growing up."

The Cowboys last won a Super Bowl when Harper was approximately 4 years old.

To absolutely nobody's surprise, Bryce's other favorite teams:

MLB:  Yankees
NBA:  Lakers
College basketball:  Duke
College football:  Texas.

[Guinness]

Joey, I'd like to reintroduce you to Bryce Harper.

He was on sports talk radio in D.C. talking about his fandom:

"If I'm rooting or somebody, it's the Dallas Cowboys," Harper said, while Holden Kushner and Brian Mitchell entered dueling states of cardiac arrest

Finally, Mitchell became sentient enough to ask why.

"Why do I like the Cowboys?" Harper repeated. "Because they were always a winner when I was growing up."

The Cowboys last won a Super Bowl when Harper was approximately 4 years old.

To absolutely nobody's surprise, Bryce's other favorite teams:

MLB:  Yankees
NBA:  Lakers
College basketball:  Duke
College football:  Texas.

Bazinga

[jbm]

Damn.  Texas in that list stings.

[Rebel Jew]

Joey, I'd like to reintroduce you to Bryce Harper.

He was on sports talk radio in D.C. talking about his fandom:

"If I'm rooting or somebody, it's the Dallas Cowboys," Harper said, while Holden Kushner and Brian Mitchell entered dueling states of cardiac arrest

Finally, Mitchell became sentient enough to ask why.

"Why do I like the Cowboys?" Harper repeated. "Because they were always a winner when I was growing up."

The Cowboys last won a Super Bowl when Harper was approximately 4 years old.

To absolutely nobody's surprise, Bryce's other favorite teams:

MLB:  Yankees
NBA:  Lakers
College basketball:  Duke
College football:  Texas.

"his favorite casino gambler is The House"

[roadrunner]

Well, at least Harper won't have the embarrassing fall from grace that Lebron has had.  He will be hated before he even takes a swing in the Majors.

[Lurch]

Damn.  Texas in that list stings.

Nah, not when you're a fan with a legitimate claim to the team.  Unlike, say, a Cowboy fan in Houston.

[hostros7]

Nah, not when you're a fan with a legitimate claim to the team.  Unlike, say, a Cowboy fan in Houston.

Tell that to the thousands of "UT Fans" that have never stepped foot on the UT campus, particularly in a UT classroom. 

[BudGirl]

Nah, not when you're a fan with a legitimate claim to the team.  Unlike, say, a Cowboy fan in Houston.

So, a someone from NYC or Pittsburgh should root for the Texans and not the Giants or Steelers?

I disagree with the bandwagoning of "I root for team X because they are winners".

[Lurch]

So, a someone from NYC or Pittsburgh should root for the Texans and not the Giants or Steelers?

I disagree with the bandwagoning of "I root for team X because they are winners".

I was just fishing.  If you're actually from Dallas, no problem.  And sorry.

[Lurch]

Tell that to the thousands of "UT Fans" that have never stepped foot on the UT campus, particularly in a UT classroom. 

I wouldn't go that far.  A regional allegiance to a college team is more than reasonable.  UT has done quite a lot for the Austin community.  Certainly enough to warrant support from those that didn't actually attend it. 

[BudGirl]

I was just fishing.  If you're actually from Dallas, no problem.  And sorry.

I'm not from Dallas, but as many will attest San Antonio, which is where I was raised, is Cowboy country.

[BudGirl]

I wouldn't go that far.  A regional allegiance to a college team is more than reasonable.  UT has done quite a lot for the Austin community.  Certainly enough to warrant support from those that didn't actually attend it. 

What about those that didn't attend UT or live/grew up in Austin?

[Lurch]

What about those that didn't attend UT or live/grew up in Austin?

Thank you for buying our Tshirts

[Lurch]

I'm not from Dallas, but as many will attest San Antonio, which is where I was raised, is Cowboy country.

And many Germans were just being patriotic.

[Gizzmonic]

And many Germans were just being patriotic.

Hey Lurch!  Please cease Cowboyfan-baiting!  I hate the Cowboys as much as anyone, but consider this: they will be completely insufferable if the Texans lose on Sunday!  Or, perish the thought, the Cowboys make the playoffs and the Texans don't!  It's a matter of maintaining harmony. 

[OregonStrosFan]

Tell that to the thousands of "UT Fans" that have never stepped foot on the UT campus, particularly in a UT classroom.

What about those that didn't attend UT or live/grew up in Austin?

Meh. While my allegiance is to Baylor, my favorite non-Baylor team is the Longhorns.  Just kind of a Texan living outside of Texas thing...

*note: I stepped on the UT campus a number of times when I was at Baylor.  I remember very few of those times - thank you 6th street - but I was there!

[BUWebguy]

While my allegiance is to Baylor, my favorite non-Baylor team is the Longhorns.  Just kind of a Texan living outside of Texas thing...

Whoa whoa whoa... No sir. Is your favorite non-Astros MLB team the Cubs, b/c you miss the Central Division? I lived a thousand miles from Texas for a time, as well, and seeing burnt orange t-shirts around Philadelphia (even for sale at a local department store) only made me dislike the Longhorns more.

[OregonStrosFan]

Whoa whoa whoa... No sir. Is your favorite non-Astros MLB team the Cubs

Thems fightin' words right there Mr.

I lived a thousand miles from Texas for a time, as well, and seeing burnt orange t-shirts around Philadelphia (even for sale at a local department store) only made me dislike the Longhorns more.

I've seen 1 meaningful Baylor game vs. an Oregon team in the last decade or so. 2006(?) CSW game against Oregon State (Bears won).  Only one in the place rooting for the Bears.  But for the fact that the others in the bar were Oregonians I'd've gotten my ass kicked...

But I digress.  Every game an Oregon teams plays against the Longhorns, folks here come out of the woodwork to taunt me about it.  I guess I'm the only Texan they know (kind of like getting taunted in November presidential elections, but there I know that I am the only republican type that these Portlanders know...).  After a while, it becomes more about defending your roots (Texas), than rooting for the Longhorns.  You do that for a decade or so and you kind of develop a rooting interest.  Just sayin'...

[Rebel Jew]

Hey Lurch!  Please cease Cowboyfan-baiting!  I hate the Cowboys as much as anyone, but consider this: they will be completely insufferable if the Texans lose on Sunday!  Or, perish the thought, the Cowboys make the playoffs and the Texans don't!  It's a matter of maintaining harmony. 

What I'm most apprehensive for this game is a repeat of the Texans-Titans home game toward the end of the inaugural season, where the crowd was just too hyped up and too expectant of some imaginary Bud Adams pig roast that the result was just audience confusion and flat play by the team.  This Texans team is obviously way better than that one, but if I'm the Cowboys I throw the kitchen sink at the Texans in the first quarter.

[Rebel Jew]

Thems fightin' words right there Mr.

I've seen 1 meaningful Baylor game vs. an Oregon team in the last decade or so. 2006(?) CSW game against Oregon State (Bears won).  Only one in the place rooting for the Bears.  But for the fact that the others in the bar were Oregonians I'd've gotten my ass kicked...

Wait a minute, you're talking about Oregonians kicking somebody's ass?  In what imaginary bar was this?

[OregonStrosFan]

Wait a minute, you're talking about Oregonians kicking somebody's ass?  In what imaginary bar was this?

That was my point ("But for the fact that the others in the bar were Oregonians I'd've gotten my ass kicked...") - I was in Portland, Oregon so there was no danger of getting my ass kicked.

[Bench]

But I digress.  Every game an Oregon teams plays against the Longhorns, folks here come out of the woodwork to taunt me about it.  I guess I'm the only Texan they know (kind of like getting taunted in November presidential elections, but there I know that I am the only republican type that these Portlanders know...).  After a while, it becomes more about defending your roots (Texas), than rooting for the Longhorns.  You do that for a decade or so and you kind of develop a rooting interest.  Just sayin'...

This is where your reasoning is flawed.  Just because people make assumptions about you doesn't mean you have to end up adopting those assumptions.

When I've travelled internationally and told people I'm from Texas, they'll go off on how absurd it is that a "civilized" nation uses the death penalty and how Texas kills the most people.  I guess they are expecting a debate with me, and that because I'm from Texas I'm in favor of the death penalty.  I happen to not be and refuse to stick up for the death penalty.  Just because they make a snap assumption of me doesn't mean I have to live up to it.  It's no different with the Longhorns.

[subnuclear]

My experience on the East Coast is that if you tell people you are from Texas they assume you're a Cowboys fan.  In fact, that's usually the first thing out of their mouths (besides, in my case, why don't you have an accent).  College football is not all that important here so it doesn't come up.  No East Coast baseball fan acknowledges baseball teams West of the Mississippi.  

[homer]

When I've travelled internationally and told people I'm from Texas, they'll go off on how absurd it is that a "civilized" nation uses the death penalty and how Texas kills the most people. 

Not sure who you are hanging out with for such depressing conversation. Most of the people I meet want to know what the weather is like, do I have horse, and does everyone there talk funny (like me).

[Bench]

Not sure who you are hanging out with for such depressing conversation. Most of the people I meet want to know what the weather is like, do I have horse, and does everyone there talk funny (like me).

Scandanavian girls.

[Lurch]

Not sure who you are hanging out with for such depressing conversation. Most of the people I meet want to know what the weather is like, do I have horse, and does everyone there talk funny (like me).

I do allow them to continue to believe we have longhorns on the front of our cars.

[subnuclear]

Scandanavian girls.

French and Italian, too.  Its on their list of things about America they aren't supposed to like. 

[Andyzipp]

French and Italian, too.  Its on their list of things about America they aren't supposed to like. 

Before or after unclipped cock?

[Bench]

Before or after unclipped cock?

I think you have that backwards.

[Gizzmonic]

Before or after unclipped cock?

Try new FORESKIN-B-GON!™

[chuck]

Scandanavian girls.

Got to talk about something until the hour's up I guess.

[Alkie]

You see Oregon yet?

Called it 2.5 months ago.   Should have put money down.

[Mr. Happy]

Called it 2.5 months ago.   Should have put money down.

Loser.

[MusicMan]

How are we 6th?   I'm not saying we're terrible or anything, but 6th?

Didn't quite call it.  We were, in fact, terrible.