Football this weekend (Sept 18-19)

[Lurch]

The real kind, Limey (USA! USA! USA!)

Man, I'm pumped about this weekend.  Texas at Texas Tech and Texans at Redskins cant get here fast enough

[AtascAstro]

UT @ Tech shouldn't disappoint.  Neither of these teams are as good as 2008, both have a lot to prove and I'd be surprised to see either come out flat.  Over-amped maybe and I'd be shocked if inconsistency isn't the norm.  I'm also not a huge fan of the early matchup, even though it probably favors Tech.

Texans @ Redskins - home office is in VA and I just happen to be going next week.  I'd like to be able to razz them a bit but I'll have to be gentle, most are VT alums and may not have much spirit left.  I'm also looking forward to catching the Astros @ Nats if I can get loose from work in time.

[MusicMan]

I'll have to be gentle, most are VT alums and may not have much spirit left. 

My favorite comment on VT:

James Madison:Virginia Tech :: James Madison:Dolly Madison

[matadorph]

I am so psyched for Sunday that I can barely contain myself. And by contain myself I am referring to the full growler of Prost Pilsner from NXNW brewpub, which I just cracked open with Friday evening merriment. I raise a glass to the Texans and the football gods, real and fantasy, hoping the Texans can come out of this weekend with an intact record and good health. The last time they started off 2-0 something very bad happened to the knee of a certain player, allowing Andre Davis to become the team's go-to deep threat for much of that season. Let's win, but not have another incident plz. Thank you FB Gods.

GO TEXANS!!

[Taras Bulba]

In Cowtown to watch Christians battle Baptists.

[sporadic]

In Cowtown to watch Christians battle Baptists.

Come Sunday I would love to see BUWebguy get to raz Astrofrog.  And, you Texans fans will get to see a little more diverse offense this week.  Don't expect them to run on the Skins like they did the Colts (not even close), but figure they will have a good day in the passing game. 

[BUWebguy]

Come Sunday I would love to see BUWebguy get to raz Astrofrog.

I'd love the same. (No offense, Astrofrog.) Enjoy the game, Taras!

[geezerdonk]

In Cowtown to watch Christians battle Baptists.

That could be a great game. I will definitely be watching it on TV.

[Bench]

That could be a great game. I will definitely be watching it on TV.

Is this a joke or is Baylor actually capable?  I honestly have no idea.

[Bench]

If you can maintain the buzz long enough, the Cougars - UCLA game is at 9:30.  UCLA comes to Austin next week for the Horns "signature" out of conference game.  The two games should tell us who is better between UT and UH as long as you take into account the road/home difference and the fact that they are two completely separate events.  THIS IS HOW WE ANALYZE COLLEGE FOOTBALL!   

[Rebel Jew]

If you can maintain the buzz long enough, the Cougars - UCLA game is at 9:30.  UCLA comes to Austin next week for the Horns "signature" out of conference game.  The two games should tell us who is better between UT and UH as long as you take into account the road/home difference and the fact that they are two completely separate events.  THIS IS HOW WE ANALYZE COLLEGE FOOTBALL!  

As long as it's nothing like the last time UCLA came to Austin I'll be fine and severely less sunburned no matter the result

[geezerdonk]

Is this a joke or is Baylor actually capable?  I honestly have no idea.

I have no idea either. The odds makers think that it is no contest. Griffin is always fun to watch play.

[Bench]

I have no idea either. The odds makers think that it is no contest. Griffin is always fun to watch play.

What's a good website for sports odds?

[BizidyDizidy]

I like docsports.

[sporadic]

Is this a joke or is Baylor actually capable?  I honestly have no idea.

Sure, why not.  I thought TCU did not look very good against a very mediocre OreSt team.  When you have that much speed and athleticism at the QB position you can always make things interesting. 

[geezerdonk]

What's a good website for sports odds?

I don't know one. The line was mentioned in a newspaper article I read.

[sporadic]

What's a good website for sports odds?

go to yahoo sports, click on NCAAF then click on odds at the top of the page.  It gives you the oddsd from multiple sportsbooks

[Taras Bulba]

Is this a joke or is Baylor actually capable?  I honestly have no idea.

I like Shiner hefeweizen.

[Lurch]

OU sucks.

[chuck]

The only team that looks dominating to me is Alabama. Every other supposedly good team that I have seen has serious problems or deficiencies.

[remy]

That could be a great game. I will definitely be watching it on TV.

Could have been.

Was not.

[Lurch]

Finally, here we go!  Hook 'em

[Alkie]

Well, that's ONE way to score fast.

Just like GD drew it up.

[Lurch]

What a gift

[chuck]

Well, that's ONE way to score fast.

Just like GD drew it up.

Fucking bunch formation on third and two. It's like that fuckwit has never even seen a game.

[Alkie]

Fucking bunch formation on third and two. It's like that fuckwit has never even seen a game.

You don't get it.   We scored on that "drive."   He's a genius.   Stay the course, chuck.   See this ring?   Ain't broke; nothing to fix.

[Alkie]

Best drive of the year.

[Lurch]

Very nice throw down field

[chuck]

Very nice throw down field

The score was a very pretty throw on the run. Perfectly accurate. Just wait until GD realizes he's been rolling him out to the right and corrects that oversight.

[Alkie]

The score was a very pretty throw on the run. Perfectly accurate. Just wait until GD realizes he's been rolling him out to the right and corrects that oversight.

The first drive confused me.   Pass, Pass, Run, Punt is not the same as Run, Run, Pass, Punt even though it has the same net result.

[Alkie]

Tech doesn't look as fast as us.   Did they lose a lot of players on D and not reload?   Not that D was their thing.

[chuck]

These first three games I've seen some very impressive size. I don't have a good sense of their respective speeds but in terms of pure bulk I'd say that Tech and Rice are very, very evenly matched with respect to their sideline dance teams.

[Alkie]

INT#1.

[Alkie]

with respect to their sideline dance teams.

Thar's manteca in them thar tortillas.

[chuck]

INT#1.

#2

[Alkie]

Right back.  +15.

[Lurch]

Good for Blake!

[Alkie]

Good for Blake!

That's what I was thinking.   Still don't make up for it; but it's nice.

[Lurch]

These first three games I've seen some very impressive size. I don't have a good sense of their respective speeds but in terms of pure bulk I'd say that Tech and Rice are very, very evenly matched with respect to their sideline dance teams.

Golf clap.

[Lurch]

shit fuck.  Gilberts not a short qb.  wtf

[Alkie]

Jesus Fucking Christ.

[Alkie]

shit fuck.  Gilberts not a short qb.  wtf

Here's what scares me, and I admit my opinion means nothing; Gilbert looks like Chris Simms II to me.   He's not particularly accurate, his arm isn't that strong, and he likes to pretend he's 5'8.

[chuck]

Britt Mitchell is fucking getting abused out there. Surely they have someone who can play that position and not get embarrassed each play. That idiot is solely responsible for both picks.

[Lurch]

Here's what scares me, and I admit my opinion means nothing; Gilbert looks like Chris Simms II to me.   He's not particularly accurate, his arm isn't that strong, and he likes to pretend he's 5'8.

Talk last year was that he had a cannon.

[chuck]

Here's what scares me, and I admit my opinion means nothing; Gilbert looks like Chris Simms II to me.   He's not particularly accurate, his arm isn't that strong, and he likes to pretend he's 5'8.

He's a sophomore with no experience and an idiot OC. Let's revisit this in November.

[Alkie]

Talk last year was that he had a cannon.

See, and I'm totally willing to admit I just don't know enough about the subject to know what I'm looking at, I don't see "cannon."   A majority of his passes are wobbly, inaccurate snorts.

[chuck]

Talk last year was that he had a cannon.

He has an NFL arm.

[Alkie]

He's a sophomore with no experience and an idiot OC. Let's revisit this in November.

I'm completely on board with that; like I said, I'm willing to admit that most of my opinion is my lack of expertise on the subject.

[Alkie]

He has an NFL arm.

You honestly believe that?

[Lurch]

See, and I'm totally willing to admit I just don't know enough about the subject to know what I'm looking at, I don't see "cannon."   A majority of his passes are wobbly, inaccurate snorts.

I havent seen it myself.  Last year he was apparently on display during the public practices

[Alkie]

I havent seen it myself.  Last year he was apparently on display during the public practices

Cannon in practice and wobbly in games = Chris Simms.

[Alkie]

Like that pass.   Short.  Wobbly.   Inaccurate.   Should have been picked.

[chuck]

You honestly believe that?

Yes. I watched him closely during warm ups at the Rice game and the difference between his ball and anyone else's on the out route was shocking.

[Lurch]

yeah, that wasn't good

[Alkie]

yeah, that wasn't good

Surely someone keeps stats on how accurate a QB is (as far as hitting a receiver en route; caught or not), no?

[chuck]

Surely someone keeps stats on how accurate a QB is (as far as hitting a receiver en route; caught or not), no?

I know in the NFL STATS Inc keeps all those sorts of records.

[Alkie]

I know in the NFL STATS Inc keeps all those sorts of records.

But not for college?

I just remember having many discussions during the WYO and RICE games with the other people watching that a lot of the "great passes" were actually "great catches" by the receiving core coming back to catch balls behind them or over them.

[Lurch]

that was a great throw

[Alkie]

I'm ok with the offense looking like shit.

I'm not ok with the defense looking like shit.

[chuck]

But not for college?

I just remember having many discussions during the WYO and RICE games with the other people watching that a lot of the "great passes" were actually "great catches" by the receiving core coming back to catch balls behind them or over them.

I don't have any sort of Gilbert fixation and haven't seen enough of him to know whether I like him or not but it's always possible that the QB is putting the ball exactly where it needs to be and the receiver ran a bad route.

Chykie Brown is terrible.

[Alkie]

I don't have any sort of Gilbert fixation and haven't seen enough of him to know whether I like him or not but it's always possible that the QB is putting the ball exactly where it needs to be and the receiver ran a bad route.

I agree, but I have a hard time believing all 5 receivers are running bad routes.

Chykie Brown is terrible.

Seriously. 

[chuck]

Fielding that kickoff was profoundly stupid. Fair catch on the two stupid.

[Alkie]

Fielding that kickoff was profoundly stupid. Fair catch on the two stupid.

What's worse, it was going out of bounds.   Idiot.

[chuck]

What's worse, it was going out of bounds.   Idiot.

That's what I'm talking about. You want the ball on the 16 or on the 40? Mull it over and get back to me.

[Alkie]

Have Brett Mitchell killed.

[chuck]

OK, I've seen enough of that fat fucker.

[Alkie]

That's what I'm talking about. You want the ball on the 16 or on the 40? Mull it over and get back to me.

Fort....sixteen?

[chuck]

I watch a lot of football. I can't ever remember a facemask call on a kicking team.

[Alkie]

We're extremely fortunate to be tied right now.     And Tech is clearly not that good of a team either.

[Alkie]

Hey, maybe we'll lose more than 4 games like I think we will and I'll get to go watch us play Rutgers in the Pinstripe Bowl.

[chuck]

Hey, maybe we'll lose more than 4 games like I think we will and I'll get to go watch us play Rutgers in the Pinstripe Bowl.

You really want to spend the night in Altoona?

[Alkie]

You really want to spend the night in Altoona?

Who.   Wouldn't.

[OregonStrosFan]

Score and quarter?

[chuck]

Score and quarter?

Bad question.

[Alkie]

Score and quarter?

31-0 Boise in the 2nd.

[Alkie]

Wow, what a break. 

Clearly not a catch.

[chuck]

Wow, what a break. 

Clearly not a catch.

Wow. Not close.

[Alkie]

How much we grease the zebras for this one?

[OregonStrosFan]

Y'all are posting about the BU game, right?

Okay smartasses, what is the score of the Texas game and how much time is left in the game?

[Alkie]

Two things.

1) We need 9, Greg.   9.   Not 2.   9.   You are an ape.
2) Goddammit.

[Alkie]

14-14, 3:17 to go in the 2nd.

[chuck]

Two things.

1) We need 9, Greg.   9.   Not 2.   9.   You are an ape.
2) Goddammit.

That's on GG for not looking downfield. You always have an outlet. Six points lost so far on idiotic interceptions.

[OregonStrosFan]

14-14, 3:17 to go in the 2nd.

Thank you!

[Alkie]

I ask you, who is in charge of this horse shit show this evening?

[Alkie]

Disjointed, unorganized donkey shit.   I'd like to thank Tech's center for the 7 pts.   How are we 6th?   I'm not saying we're terrible or anything, but 6th?

[Alkie]

I take it back.   GG is, in fact, a moron.

[Alkie]

WHO.  IS.  COACHING.   THIS.   SHIT.   SHOW.

[Lurch]

Ugly fucking football

[Alkie]

Ugly fucking football

No plan.  No management.  No execution.   Total junk.

[Alkie]

Hold the motherfucking phone.

ND has a QB named Christ?

[Alkie]

Hogs Tide next week.   Sooey pig.

[Lurch]

If you can maintain the buzz long enough, the Cougars - UCLA game is at 9:30.  UCLA comes to Austin next week for the Horns "signature" out of conference game.  The two games should tell us who is better between UT and UH as long as you take into account the road/home difference and the fact that they are two completely separate events.  THIS IS HOW WE ANALYZE COLLEGE FOOTBALL!   

Boise St over Wyoming 34-0 at half

[Alkie]

Boise St over Wyoming 34-0 at half

I don't think I'm going too far out on a limb here saying that Boise would thrash the shit out of this Horns team right now.

[Alkie]

Oh, and we're going to get our asses handed to us in Lincoln.

[Lurch]

A&M doing its part to ruin Big12 SoS

[Alkie]

The only team that looks dominating to me is Alabama. Every other supposedly good team that I have seen has serious problems or deficiencies.

You see Oregon yet?

[Alkie]

A&M doing its part to ruin Big12 SoS

Fucking Aggy.   I swear.

[Alkie]

The only thing better than Outback is free Outback.

[Lurch]

Christopher Moltisanti, you'll always be Christopher Moltisanti.

[Lurch]

The only thing better than Outback is free Outback.

I can destroy a blooming onion

[Alkie]

I can destroy a blooming onion

I can destroy an Outback.

[Lurch]

I'm ok with the offense looking like shit.

I'm not ok with the defense looking like shit.

Or special teams.

[Lurch]

What the fuck.  Are these kids not being coached?

[Alkie]

What the fuck.  Are these kids not being coached?

We're.  Texas.

[Alkie]

OUT.   STANDING.

[Alkie]

I have an idea.

Let's run up the middle into a wall.   SHIT.   That didn't work.

Try it again.   SHIT.

Ok, one last time.

[Alkie]

THREE?   All you got out of that was THREE?

[Lurch]

I have an idea.

Let's run up the middle into a wall.   SHIT.   That didn't work.

Try it again.   SHIT.

Ok, one last time.

The thing about telling your O line that you trust them, doesn't mean you actually should.

[Alkie]

The thing about telling your O line that you trust them, doesn't mean you actually should.

Greg Davis, King For Life.

[Lurch]

Uh oh.  Running QB.


eta...nm

[chuck]

Jeffcoat. Defensive lineman. It's almost like I've seen that somewhere else before.

Man, that kid is fast.

[Lurch]

Hope she gets to keep the mask

[Lurch]

"You see the single finger in the air, thats part of the tradition.  It's called "pistols."

Holy fuck that was dumb.

[Alkie]

"You see the single finger in the air, thats part of the tradition.  It's called "pistols."

Holy fuck that was dumb.

Ron just wants to go home like the rest of us.

[chuck]

GD's stupidity is literally infinite.

Curtis Brown and Aaron Williams are nicked up and in the dressing room.

[Lurch]

The D is getting more neg yards that the O is getting positive ones

[Ron Brand]

I can't wait to see the UT spin on this clusterfuck.

[Lurch]

Really not anyone else at tech that can ride the horse?

[chuck]

Fozzy's out with a shoulder.

[Ron Brand]

Of course. Can't have a gain without a flag.

[Ron Brand]

Fozzy's out with a shoulder.

He's the Fiat of running backs.

[DVauthrin]

I can't wait to see the UT spin on this clusterfuck.

There is no spinning this game.   All you had to do is not self destruct(3 tipped picks) in the red zone and there would be a comfortable lead.    The defense is playing great.  

[DVauthrin]

Fozzy's out with a shoulder.

Malcolm Brown can't get here fast enough.

[Alkie]

There is no spinning this game.   All you had to do is not self destruct(3 tipped picks) in the red zone and there would be a comfortable lead.    The defense is playing great.  

Great?

[Ron Brand]

Total absence of downfield blocking. Like that's the worst of their problems right now, but still.

[chuck]

Great?

Relative to the offense, dude, they're the fucking '85 Bears.

[chuck]

Total absence of downfield blocking. Like that's the worst of their problems right now, but still.

I've noticed that the WRs are by and large terrible blockers. I've also noticed that the Horns like to pull an OT and that OT almost never does anything, getting to the play far too late to have any impact. They'd be better off sending that tackle into the backfield and having him put a helmet on a linebacker.

Tre Newton now in the locker room.

[Alkie]

Relative to the offense, dude, they're the fucking '85 Bears.

Relative to the offense, dude, I'm '55 Bardot.

[Lurch]

See how high Gilbert threw that?  Afraid of tips now

[DVauthrin]

Great?

It's not perfect by any means, but I don't see how you can say otherwise.  7 of Tech's points belong to a turnover by the offense.  

For the game,  Tech has 138 yards of offense, and the offense keeps trying to give the game away.    They have allowed Tech to move the ball twice all night:  on the score that tied the game at 14, and the drive where Curtis Brown should have had a pick 6 instead of a pick 3.   Considering the state of the offense at the moment, I'd say they have held up their end of the bargain.    If the D wasn't playing great, the team would be down double digits in Lubbock.

If the offense could get out of it's own way and leave this game up to the defense, the game be comfortably in Texas' favor right now.  

[Alkie]

It's not perfect by any means, I don't see how you can say otherwise.  

Great?

[Ron Brand]

I'd like to chain whip that asshole beating on that bell.

[Alkie]

I can't believe how many awesome fucking games are on right now.

[Alkie]

That's a shit way to lose an upset bid.

[Ron Brand]

I can't believe how many awesome fucking games are on right now.

Awesome?

[Lurch]

run, clock, run

[chuck]

Relative to the offense, dude, I'm '55 Bardot.

Bardot? Dude, I can't keep track of all those Division III schools you yankees follow.

Here comes the sweep.

[Lurch]

nice play call

[Alkie]

Awesome?

I don't see how you could say otherwise.

ND and MSU tied until 15 seconds ago.   This shitfest against Tech.   Clemson/Auburn just went OT.  And the only ranked team vs ranked team just started.  

Plus: if you're into this sort of shit, UH vs UCLA.

[Ron Brand]

I'm stunned that a TE held on to the ball.

[DVauthrin]

I'm stunned that a TE held on to the ball.

At least we have a two score lead.

[Alkie]

I'm stunned that a TE held on to the ball.

My wife said the exact same thing.

[Ron Brand]

I don't see how you could say otherwise.

ND and MSU tied until 15 seconds ago.   This shitfest against Tech.   Clemson/Auburn just went OT.  And the only ranked team vs ranked team just started. 

Plus: if you're into this sort of this, UH vs UCLA.

Relative to that shitucopia, I'm '91 Rosie Perez.

Uh, wait...

[chuck]

I don't see how you could say otherwise.

ND and MSU tied until 15 seconds ago.   This shitfest against Tech.   Clemson/Auburn just went OT.  And the only ranked team vs ranked team just started.  

Plus: if you're into this sort of shit, UH vs UCLA.

Don't forget Bardot versus Smith College.

[Alkie]

Don't forget Bardot versus Smith College.

That game already happened; you're watching tape delay.   Smith won 17-14.

[Frobie]

The Cougars and Bruins are supposed to be playing on Comcast channel 110, but they're showing the stRangers and the Mariners instead.

AM 790 has the A&M post-game show.

Anyone know if the UH game is available on TV or radio at the moment?!

[chuck]

That game already happened; you're watching tape delay.   Smith won 17-14.

Who cares? I just love watching them take a lick.

[Alkie]

The Cougars and Bruins are supposed to be playing on Comcast channel 110, but they're showing the stRangers and the Mariners instead.

AM 790 has the A&M post-game show.

Anyone know if the UH game is available on TV or radio at the moment?!

MSG+.   748 on TWC-NYC.

[chuck]

Relative to that shitucopia, I'm '91 Rosie Perez.

Uh, wait...

If you're going to pretend to be Puerto Rican at the very least you're going to need to type in all caps.

[Alkie]

Who cares? I just love watching them take a lick.

I don't get it.

[chuck]

I don't get it.

What?

[Alkie]

What?

Exactly.

[Ron Brand]

"Well, we knew we were going to be in for a really tough game. Tech is a great team with a great coach and great kids and we're just very lucky. Our team is designed to play four quarters and we wanted to be in a position to take advantage of the fourth quarter and that's just what we did.

I'm proud of our players, they played a great game, hung in there and put their hearts into it."

Blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah.

[chuck]

Exactly.

Just wait until Bardot goes up against Mt Holyoke. You should have seen them last year toying with Bardot in the red zone.

[Alkie]

If you're going to pretend to be Puerto Rican at the very least you're going to need to type in all caps.

DID YOU SAY PARADE?  I COULD DO A PARADE.   IT'S NOT LIKE I HAVE A JOB TO GET TO TOMORROW.

[Alkie]

Just wait until Bardot goes up against Mt Holyoke. You should have seen them last year toying with Bardot in the red zone.

I don't get it.

[Ron Brand]

I don't get it.

Zone is fine. Red, not necessarily.

[Alkie]

Zone is fine. Red, not necessarily.

Racist.

[chuck]

DID YOU SAY PARADE?  I COULD DO A PARADE.   IT'S NOT LIKE I HAVE A JOB TO GET TO TOMORROW.

Overt prejudice. Impressive.

Job? No. Domino game out in the middle of the street? Surely.

[Alkie]

Overt prejudice. Impressive.

Job? No. Domino game out in the middle of the street? Surely.

I'm not pre-judging anyone.  I'm merely saying that no Puerto Rican has a job and loves to make noise.   Also:  black people and Indians.

eta:  Mexicans.

[Ron Brand]

Racist.

Native.

[JaneDoe]

Nice call there.

[Alkie]

Native.

This is my challenge to the TZ.   Go one week without a weakly related youtube link.  I dare you.

[Lurch]

I'm not pre-judging anyone.  I'm merely saying that no Puerto Rican has a job and loves to make noise.  
eta:  Mexicans.

redundant

[chuck]

I'm not pre-judging anyone.  I'm merely saying that no Puerto Rican has a job and loves to make noise.   Also:  black people and Indians.

eta:  Mexicans.

Your elevator man Hector? Rican. Plus job. I realize that ferrying you up and down is more of a privilege than a job, but still. He does keep the radio a bit stout for that small a space. Which would be bigger if not for the domino table.

[Frobie]

MSG+.   748 on TWC-NYC.

Nice.  So you're in NYC (Old El Paso commercial: New York City?!) and can see the game, but I'm in fucking Houston and apparently I can't.  

I guess I should start an "I'm moving to New York" thread--maybe it really is all that.

The A&M post-game show is still going.  WTF.

[Ron Brand]

This is my challenge to the TZ.   Go one week without a weakly related youtube link.  I dare you.

Oh, fine. Pick on me.

Here's my challenge. One week without a weak non sequitur that buys time to spawn a tangential series of references to mask an inability to complete a thread.

[JaneDoe]

This is my challenge to the TZ.   Go one week without a weakly related youtube link.  I dare you.

Good luck.

[Alkie]

Oh, fine. Pick on me.

Here's my challenge. One week without a weak non sequitur that buys time to spawn a tangential series of references to mask an inability to complete a thread.

I don't get it.

[Alkie]

Nice.  So you're in NYC (Old El Paso commercial: New York City?!) and can see the game, but I'm in fucking Houston and apparently I can't.  

I guess I should start an "I'm moving to New York" thread--maybe it really is all that.

The A&M post-game show is still going.  WTF.

Get a rope.

[Ron Brand]

I don't get it.

Red zone.

[Alkie]

Your elevator man Hector? Rican. Plus job. I realize that ferrying you up and down is more of a privilege than a job, but still. He does keep the radio a bit stout for that small a space. Which would be bigger if not for the domino table.

His name is Jimmy.   And I'm just amazed that the PRs like dominoes as much as they do, what without the ability to count or use their thumbs. 

[Alkie]

Red zone.

Look, I don't even know what a non sequitur is, but Phil Taylor.

[chuck]

This is my challenge to the TZ.   Go one week without a weakly related youtube link.  I dare you.

OK

[Ron Brand]

Look, I don't even know what a non sequitur is, but Phil Taylor.

Ok, that was a good one.

[chuck]

His name is Jimmy.   And I'm just amazed that the PRs like dominoes as much as they do, what without the ability to count or use their thumbs. 

I'm sorry, you're going to have to speak up. The merengue's a little loud in here.

[Alkie]

Ok, that was a good one.

Like I tell all my new hires:  Kissing ass gets you nowhere.  Sucking dick does.

[Alkie]

Sure.   Can't win in Lubbock when it matters, but when we have zero chance of a title, no problem.

[chuck]

Like I tell all my new hires:  Kissing ass gets you nowhere.  Sucking dick does.

And full circle we're back to Britt Mitchell.

[BudGirl]

Wow, Cougars are rather stinking up the Rose Bowl.

[Lurch]

The Cougars and Bruins are supposed to be playing on Comcast channel 110, but they're showing the stRangers and the Mariners instead.

AM 790 has the A&M post-game show.

Anyone know if the UH game is available on TV or radio at the moment?!

I've got it on Fox Sports Houston here in Austin

[Alkie]

Wow, Cougars are rather stinking up the Rose Bowl.

Good thing no one is there to see it.

[chuck]

Good thing no one is there to see it.

Everyone knows that in LA they all show up in the third quarter.

[JaneDoe]

Wow, Cougars are rather stinking up the Rose Bowl.

Wow is right.

[Alkie]

Coogs need to get they heads out they asses.

[Frobie]

Wow, Cougars are rather stinking up the Rose Bowl.

Following along on ESPN's Gamecast.  Better options?

[BudGirl]

I have it on FSH here in Houston.

[BudGirl]

Cougars get ranked then shit the bed the next game.

[Alkie]

Cougars get ranked then shit the bed the next game.

It's actually in the CUSA Code of Ethics Manual.

[Lurch]

what a run

[Lurch]

and.... no reason to stay up late

[Alkie]

Wow.

There goes UH's season.

[BudGirl]

the knee, not good.  we'll see how cotton does this week.

but the offense is totally out of sync today.

[Lurch]

Wow, ND just got punked

[remy]

Wow, ND just got punked

That was sweet.

[Alkie]

That was sweet.

Always is.

[Ron Brand]

I was a spotter in a couple of seasons of Austin ISD football broadcasts, and the guest commentators were ex-UT players from the 60s, 70s and 80s. To a man, they all said they hated ND more than Oklahoma or A&M or any other school.

[Frobie]

790 finally switched to the game.  The wife has laid claim to the TV so if/when the game becomes competitive again, we'll see what's going on there.

[Frobie]

Trivia question: the last time UH scored 3 points in a half was...?

I don't know the answer, unfortunately.

[94CougarGrad]

This is really fucking embarrassing.

[HudsonHawk]

UH's defensive line is simply getting blown off the ball.  They must be giving up 30 lbs at each position.

[Bench]

I took Dallas for my suicide pick this week, and I'm not one to overrate the Cowboys.  Holy shit they are bad.

[Lurch]

I took Dallas for my suicide pick this week, and I'm not one to overrate the Cowboys.  Holy shit they are bad.

And the Texans host them next week

[Lurch]

You suck, Pittsburgh

I take it all back.

[Lurch]

Wow.  Slaton needs a shrink

[HudsonHawk]

Wow.  Slayton needs a shrink

Jesus, that may be the dumbest fucking play I've ever seen on a football field.

[BudGirl]

Texans will probably lose because I want them to win this week.  Every other team I've rooted for this weekend has loss.  Bugger.

[chuck]

Jesus, that may be the dumbest fucking play I've ever seen on a football field.

I've seen people fair catch on the two but Slaton's play is the clear winner.

[Lurch]

It could be much worse than 6-0.

[HudsonHawk]

Good defense there.  Now, let's see if the offense can go three plays without stepping on their dicks.

[Lurch]

Was the Redskins' uniform designer eating a hotdog?

[HudsonHawk]

Was the Redskins' uniform designer eating a hotdog?

Old school.  I like 'em

[Lurch]

Great drive!

[chuck]

Fuck yeah. Nice drive, boys, that's the way to do it.

[HudsonHawk]

Fuck yeah. Nice drive, boys, that's the way to do it.

Good balance on that drive.  *That's* what a running game will do for you.

[chuck]

Good balance on that drive.  *That's* what a running game will do for you.

I love it that the Redskins knew that the Texans would run the ball but the Texans still get four yards most every first down.

[HudsonHawk]

Kareem Jackson is getting absolutely abused.  Again.  The Texans have got to do something.

[Bench]

What's a good football live game updater web site?  Is ESPN better than NFL.com better than cbssportsline?

[Savage]

What's a good football live game updater web site?  Is ESPN better than NFL.com better than cbssportsline?

I prefer the cbssportsline GameTracker function. 

[Bench]

I prefer the cbssportsline GameTracker function. 

Thanks.  I'm usually drinking beer watching the game on TV.  Work is no fun.

[HudsonHawk]

Schaub...you're fucking killing me!

[HudsonHawk]

Dear Gary Kubiak,

PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! help out Kareem Jackson.  PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bench]

Schaub...you're fucking killing me!

Argh!  What happened?

[HudsonHawk]

Argh!  What happened?

Apparently Schaub thinks he has an unlimited amount of time to throw the ball.  Unfortunately, no one told the Redskins, who sacked him (again) to take them out of makeable field goal range.

[Savage]

Dear Gary Kubiak,

PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! help out Kareem Jackson.  PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is terrible.  An aged and slow RB and only 1 decent receiver and they're kicking our asses.

[HudsonHawk]

This is terrible.  An aged and slow RB and only 1 decent receiver and they're kicking our asses.

They're simply taunting Jackson as they run circles around him.  It's like watching an adult play against an infant.

[HudsonHawk]

And Kubiak's game managing idiocy is rubbing off on Schaub.  Call the fucking time out!

[austro]

People keep telling me Schaub is a good qb. I don't get it.

[Lurch]

People keep telling me Schaub is a good qb. I don't get it.

You don't think Schaub is a good qb??

[HudsonHawk]

People keep telling me Schaub is a good qb. I don't get it.

I swear.  Schaub is an honor student at the Gary Kubiak School of Not Having A Fucking Clue How To Manage The Clock.

[sporadic]

This is terrible.  An aged and slow RB and only 1 decent receiver and they're kicking our asses.

I think Cooley is a bit past decent, as is Sellers out of the backfiled, and Portis is a very good back when healthy.  Washington is a well coached team with some good players, not like y'all are playing a patsy.

[Bench]

So... not a very good half, eh?

[Lurch]

So... not a very good half, eh?

One good drive.  One good D goalline stop.  Other than that, no

[sporadic]

So... not a very good half, eh?

fucking depressing...I am jsut bad luck.  I will hop off the bandwagon for the second half so the Texans have a chance.  This is in no way an endorsement of the fucking redskins.

[Savage]

I think Cooley is a bit past decent, as is Sellers out of the backfiled, and Portis is a very good back when healthy.  Washington is a well coached team with some good players, not like y'all are playing a patsy.

Portis and Sellers are both well past their prime and Cooley is decent.  it's a well coached team, but the talent is subpar.  They're like the anti-texans.  

[austro]

You don't think Schaub is a good qb??

I don't think he's bad, but I don't think he's in the top tier either.

[Lurch]

I don't think he's bad, but I don't think he's in the top tier either.

So... good, then?

[austro]

So... good, then?

Touche.

[Lurch]

Also good: McNabb

[Savage]

Wow.  Indy must be really, really bad.

[HudsonHawk]

The Texans' secondary is in complete shambles.

[austro]

Wow.  Indy must be really, really bad.

Yeah, I don't understand how they hold Indy in check, more or less, and then get carved up by Washington. This secondary looks pretty bad today.

[HudsonHawk]

Yeah, I don't understand how they hold Indy in check, more or less, and then get carved up by Washington. This secondary looks pretty bad today.

Pretty bad?  There are multiple receivers open without a Texan within 20 yards.  On Every.  Single.  Play.  It's like they're playing with only 8 guys.

[Savage]

Pretty bad?  There are multiple receivers open without a Texan within 20 yards.  On Every.  Single.  Play.

And yet they are also not getting any pressure on McNabb.  So what exactly is the defense doing out there?

[HudsonHawk]

And yet they are also not getting any pressure on McNabb.  So what exactly is the defense doing out there?

Standing there.  Literally.  They're just standing around.

[chuck]

Peyton threw for over 400 yards. And all the corners are either rookies or second year players. So I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised when the secondary shows itself to be terrible. The Texans need to generate some serious pass rush to keep the secondary from getting torched every week.

[Savage]

Peyton threw for over 400 yards. And all the corners are either rookies or second year players. So I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised when the secondary shows itself to be terrible. The Texans need to generate some serious pass rush to keep the secondary from getting torched every week.

I am not surprised the secondary is terrible.  I am surprised the pass rush is non-existent, particularly since the Redskins offensive line is relatively weak.

[chuck]

I am surprised the pass rush is non-existent

You don't watch a lot of Texans football I guess.

[OregonStrosFan]

Hows this for a Jerry Jones nightmare scenario: Cowboys miss the playoffs and Redskins win a superbowl in Jerry's house.

[HudsonHawk]

As bad as they've played on defense, a couple of stops, and this game is still winnable.

[sporadic]

Hows this for a Jerry Jones nightmare scenario: Cowboys miss the playoffs and Redskins win a superbowl in Jerry's house.

with all due respect...fuck you

[Lurch]

Block in the back, every fucking time

[HudsonHawk]

Why is that a Texan *has* to push a guy in the back on every kick?

[HudsonHawk]

Hows this for a Jerry Jones nightmare scenario: Cowboys miss the playoffs and Redskins win a superbowl in Jerry's house.

That would be fucking awesome.

[ybbodeus]

Why is that a Texan *has* to push a guy in the back on every kick?

They get fined for not trying to block?  It is maddening, no doubt.

[sporadic]

That would be fucking awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0bgVj7BLNU&feature=related

[HudsonHawk]

Is Dan Fouts a congenital idiot, or has he had to work at it?

[chuck]

JUST KICK IT. What the fuck? Why the fuck do you want to give them the ball on the 40? Fuck!

[OregonStrosFan]

That would be fucking awesome.

Watching Jones squirm would be awesome. Watching the Redskins play in Dallas for a ring would make want to me puke (in fact, I'm pretty sure I'd rather skip the superbowl that watch the Redskins play in one).  I'm sorry I even mentioned it, as I'm feeling a bit sickly already at the mere thought of it.

[HudsonHawk]

This is the laziest, most uninspired defensive performance I've ever seen from the Texans.  Heads need to roll.

[HudsonHawk]

Watching Jones squirm would be awesome. Watching the Redskins play in Dallas for a ring would make want to me puke (in fact, I'm pretty sure I'd rather skip the superbowl that watch the Redskins play in one).  I'm sorry I even mentioned it, as I'm feeling a bit sickly already at the mere thought of it.

I'd rather watch ANYONE but Dallas play in one.  To watch the Redskins in a Super Bowl in Dallas would be eclisped only by the Texans playing in it.

[Lurch]

Is Dan Fouts a congenital idiot, or has he had to work at it?

Almost gave us one there

[Lurch]

This is the laziest, most uninspired defensive performance I've ever seen from the Texans.  Heads need to roll.

Well done!

[Savage]

This is the laziest, most uninspired defensive performance I've ever seen from the Texans.  Heads need to roll.

This Redskins offense scored 6 points last week.  6.  

[chuck]

WOW.

[HudsonHawk]

It's amazing the Texans are still in this game.  Now forget about the everything up to this point....go down and get some fucking points!!

[HudsonHawk]

FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whoever is calling the plays needs to be fucking shot!  Now!

[sporadic]

FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whoever is calling the plays needs to be fucking shot!  Now!

welcome to my world

[HudsonHawk]

Gotta have a quick stop.

[Lurch]

SON OF A FUCKING BITCH!!!

[HudsonHawk]

The Redskins are trying their best to give this game to the Texans, and the Texans simply won't take it.

[Lurch]

Go back to the running game...

[HudsonHawk]

Come on Schaub...don't step on your dick now.

[HudsonHawk]

There is no fucking way these are the best plays they have.  No.  Fucking.  Way.

[Lurch]

HO.  LEE.  SHIT.  That was an awesome catch

[HudsonHawk]

HO.  LEE.  SHIT.  That was an awesome catch

I don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this, but...Andre Johnson is a fucking stud.

[Bench]

I don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this, but...Andre Johnson is a fucking stud.

I was just going to say that.  Holy fucking shit, that was awesome.

[BudGirl]

This Redskins offense scored 6 points last week.  6. 

and their defense scored 6.

[Lurch]

HUGE sack by Mario there

[Limey]

I don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this, but...Andre Johnson is a fucking stud.

Mario ain't to shabby either. 

[Lurch]

Mario ain't to shabby either. 

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess he's about to line up over the replacement left tackle

[BudGirl]

I chuckle at that holding.

[HudsonHawk]

Now PLEASE don't block anyone in the back. 

[Lurch]

Why are you running backwards?!

[Savage]

Jacoby Jones is such a fuck up.

[HudsonHawk]

Why are you running backwards?!

Because I'm Jacoby Jone, bitch!

[HudsonHawk]

Jesus Schaub...take your time.  It's not like the clock is running or anything.

[HudsonHawk]

They're not gonna fucking kick here.  Sweet Jesus, please tell me they're not gonna punt with 3 seconds left.  Even Gary Kubiak isn't this fucking stupid.  Is he?

[Bench]

They're not gonna fucking kick here.  Sweet Jesus, please tell me they're not gonna punt with 3 seconds left.  Even Gary Kubiak isn't this fucking stupid.  Is he?

Shanahan's random 3 seconds left time out is a good indicator of where Kubiak learned from. 

[HudsonHawk]

He is.

[Bench]

He is.

Seriously?  I stepped away from the TV back to my office just assuming they would run around for 3 seconds.  What happend?

[BudGirl]

okay, Texans help the Cowboys out and get a win.

[Savage]

Shanahan's random 3 seconds left time out is a good indicator of where Kubiak learned from. 

My husband is a lifelong Redskins fan.  He's presently stomping around upstairs ranting about the stupidity of Shanahan.  

[HudsonHawk]

Seriously?  I stepped away from the TV back to my office just assuming they would run around for 3 seconds.  What happend?

He let Turk run around for three seconds.  Forget that you have a free play to try to score.

[BudGirl]

The Texans have never won an OT game?  Really?

[HudsonHawk]

And Slaton fucking does it again.  Unbelievable.

[OregonStrosFan]

I might have missed this elsewhere, but Keenum is done for the season after tearing his ACL in the 2nd quarter. Backup quarterback Cotton Turner will miss the rest of the season after fracturing his clavicle in the third quarter. LINK

[BudGirl]

I might have missed this elsewhere, but Keenum is done for the season after tearing his ACL in the 2nd quarter. Backup quarterback Cotton Turner will miss the rest of the season after fracturing his clavicle in the third quarter. LINK

guess we will see how good of a coach sumlin is now.

[HudsonHawk]

I might have missed this elsewhere, but Keenum is done for the season after tearing his ACL in the 2nd quarter. Backup quarterback Cotton Turner will miss the rest of the season after fracturing his clavicle in the third quarter. LINK

Sucks for the Coogs.  But the kid didn't look that bad last night.  Of course, it was in a blowout.

[HudsonHawk]

Unfuckingbelievable.  Kubiak must go.  Period.

[T. J.]

Wow. Really?  Is Rackers hurt?

[chandler44]

WTF??

[BudGirl]

Unfuckingbelievable.  Kubiak must go.  Period.

want to trade coaches?

[Lurch]

This is the Fucking NFL right?  Don't try to win at 54 yards??

[Bench]

I don't think overtime is a very good time to try and win the game.  Smart move, Kubes.

Fucking moron.

[HudsonHawk]

I am ashamed that I let Bob McNair continue to take my money, when he doesn't give a flying fuck about winning.

[BudGirl]

this game is making me madder than the cowboys one.  seriously, they are as stupid as my team.

[OregonStrosFan]

Unbelievable.

[T. J.]

2 plays. They're where they would've been had they missed the FG.

[HudsonHawk]

2 plays. They're where they would've been had they missed the FG.

I did not think it was possible to be dumber than Gary Kubiak last season.  Until I saw Kubiak this season. 

[sporadic]

this game is making me madder than the cowboys one.  seriously, they are as stupid as my team.

I felt the same way.  it is now turning comical.  if you are as fucking stupid as the Texas teams have shown recently, you deserve to lose.

[HudsonHawk]

I felt the same way.  it is now turning comical.  if you are as fucking stupid as the Texas teams have shown recently, you deserve to lose.

Let's keep this straight.  As fucking stupid as their idiot coach. 

[BudGirl]

I felt the same way.  it is now turning comical.  if you are as fucking stupid as the Texas teams have shown recently, you deserve to lose.

i bet the skins go for the kick

[HudsonHawk]

i bet the skins go for the kick

Of course.  Shanahan's seen a football game before.

[BudGirl]

Of course.  Shanahan's seen a football game before.

and he made it, after the time out.  uhoh

[BudGirl]

the Texans can still win this.

[HudsonHawk]

the Texans can still win this.

Better hope there's not a coaching decision involved then.

[Bench]

So dumb.  So lucky.  So talented. 

Bernard Pollard, Andre Johnson, Walter, etc... deserve so much better.

[T. J.]

It's gonna be a tie. For Hudson.

[BudGirl]

it can happen.  just ask mcnabb.

[HudsonHawk]

Take the penalty.

[Savage]

Who thought it was a good idea to let Fouts speak?

[HudsonHawk]

Who thought it was a good idea to let Fouts speak?

Kubiak?

[BudGirl]

Who thought it was a good idea to let Fouts speak?

probably kubiak

[Bench]

Take the penalty.

Amazing that anybody who has ever watched the game of football, much less played quarterback, would have any debate.

[BudGirl]

the texans better get their first ot win.

[Bench]

That was a great throw by Schaub to Driesen.  While I don't think Schaub is one of the elite, he's certainly damn good.  Bordering on quite very good indeed.

[HudsonHawk]

That was a great throw by Schaub to Driesen.  While I don't think Schaub is one of the elite, he's certainly damn good.  Bordering on quite very good indeed.

He's an elite passer. 

[HudsonHawk]

I need a Fouts Button.

[Savage]

I need a Fouts Button.

I can't believe Kubiak didn't go for the FG on 1-10.

[BudGirl]

finally

[Limey]

That was intense. 

[OregonStrosFan]

Thank you Texans!

-Redskins Hater!

[HudsonHawk]

That was intense. 

Not shit.  I need a fucking drink.

[chuck]

I'll tell you guys something. I have no problem at all not attempting that 52 yard field goal. I probably would have gone for it on fourth down but I wasn't upset at the punt. I was outraged, though, that Turk punted the ball into the fucking end zone. That is simply unconscionable from that short distance. You have twenty yards of sideline to work with. Two of them, in fact. Fuck me, that pisses me off.

[BatGirl]

fuck

[Bench]

I'll tell you guys something. I have no problem at all not attempting that 52 yard field goal.

I think you have take a reasonable try to win the game rather than giving the ball over

I probably would have gone for it on fourth down but I wasn't upset at the punt.

I'd be fine with that.  Again, trying to win rather than just giving the ball back.

I was outraged, though, that Turk punted the ball into the fucking end zone. That is simply unconscionable from that short distance. You have twenty yards of sideline to work with. Two of them, in fact. Fuck me, that pisses me off.

Yes.  That was absurd.

Good win in the end.

[Lurch]

"Well, we knew we were going to be in for a really tough game. Tech is a great team with a great coach and great kids and we're just very lucky. Our team is designed to play four quarters and we wanted to be in a position to take advantage of the fourth quarter and that's just what we did.

I'm proud of our players, they played a great game, hung in there and put their hearts into it."

Blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah.

This again

[roadrunner]

I hated Kubiak for not letting Rackers kick, but whatever.  It worked.  I'm still a Kubiak fan.  That was the most exciting/ridiculous football game I've seen since the '05 Rose Bowl.

[ybbodeus]

220, 221, whatever it takes.

[Rebel Jew]

Still can't believe Kubiak didn't kick that field goal.  Still can't believe the Texans won.  Andre Johnson is really good.  Still can't believe that idiot coach of the chiefs cut bernard pollard.

next week with a chance to drive a big fat middle finger right through the cowfucks season.

[hostros7]

Agreed.  It was so much the Texans, but not, which is nice I guess?  I'll just be pleased with the win and try not to think about it too much. 

[roadrunner]

It's the NFL.  A win is a win.  Every team has holes, and it's pretty obvious the Texans' secondary is the hole on this team. 

[Astroholic]

It's the NFL.  A win is a win.  Every team has holes, and it's pretty obvious the Texans' secondary is the hole on this team. 

The secondary has the talent and can be fixed.

[HudsonHawk]

The secondary has the talent and can be fixed.

I don't blame the players too much.  They are what they are...young and inexperienced.  But they're getting abused by everyone, including Arena League refugees.  The coaches have *got* to figure out something to help them.  I don't know what the "fix" is, but someone on that staff had better figure out something.

[HudsonHawk]

It's the NFL.  A win is a win.

Exactly.  There are no polls, there are no computer rankings.  All games count the same.  Just win, baby.

[Lurch]

I don't blame the players too much.  They are what they are...young and inexperienced.  But they're getting abused by everyone, including Arena League refugees.  The coaches have *got* to figure out something to help them.  I don't know what the "fix" is, but someone on that staff had better figure out something.

One dose of Romotussin should clear it right up.

[MusicMan]

I don't blame the players too much.  They are what they are...young and inexperienced.  But they're getting abused by everyone, including Arena League refugees.  The coaches have *got* to figure out something to help them.  I don't know what the "fix" is, but someone on that staff had better figure out something.

The fix is pressure.  Manning and McNabb are no Arena refugees, but they fall under pressure just like the rest of e'm.

Pressure will improve when Cushing returns.

[Astroholic]

I don't blame the players too much.  They are what they are...young and inexperienced.  But they're getting abused by everyone, including Arena League refugees.  The coaches have *got* to figure out something to help them.  I don't know what the "fix" is, but someone on that staff had better figure out something.

I hate to bitch after a nice win....but I know what your are thinking as am I.  I have been giving Kubs the benefit of the doubt, but his play calling (or his offensive coordinators play calling) Leaves much to be desired.  That 53 yrd field goal  (or horrible punt) in OT should have been from much closer.  Mix in a freaking run when the opponent thinks you are passing.  Another thing, does our defense coordinator not understand that a well timed blitz would help the secondary.  Conservative football drives me to drink.

[Astroholic]

And one other thing, I was so mad about not trying to kick that fieldgoal that I was almost kicked my dog.  Then that horendous (sp) punt.  If you don't thing your kicker can make it, then have your punter (turk sucks) punt it out of bounds or go for it.  It worked out, but..well I cant believe it did.  These decisions will come back and bit this team.  Okay I am done.

[BudGirl]

Conservative football drives me to drink.

Yeah, that is what causes you to drink.

[Bench]

In UH news:  Both Keenum (torn ACL) and Turner (fractured clavicle) are out for the year.  When was the last time a football team lost both its starter and backup QBs for the season in the same game?  Holy fuck.

[Astroholic]

In UH news:  Both Keenum (torn ACL) and Turner (fractured clavicle) are out for the year.  When was the last time a football team lost both its starter and backup QBs for the season in the same game?  Holy fuck.

You just had to fucking go there.  Might need to pull out the bottle I have stashed here at work.

[Astroholic]

Yeah, that is what causes you to drink.

Touche.

[Limey]

It's the NFL.  A win is a win.  Every team has holes, and it's pretty obvious the Texans' secondary is the hole on this team. 

Not suggesting that the Texans secondary is the best in the biz, nor that I have much technical knowledge on the matter, but they have just faced two of the premier passers in the history of game.  And beaten them.

Did you notice how the Redskins' defense shut down Dallas last week, yet got burned by Schaub for ~500 yards?

Let's see how the Cowgirls do next week.  If Homo has a good day, then we'll know better.

[BudGirl]

In UH news:  Both Keenum (torn ACL) and Turner (fractured clavicle) are out for the year.  When was the last time a football team lost both its starter and backup QBs for the season in the same game?  Holy fuck.

You need to take OSF off of ignore.

I might have missed this elsewhere, but Keenum is done for the season after tearing his ACL in the 2nd quarter. Backup quarterback Cotton Turner will miss the rest of the season after fracturing his clavicle in the third quarter. LINK

[Bench]

You need to take OSF off of ignore.

I might have missed this elsewhere, but Keenum is done for the season after tearing his ACL in the 2nd quarter. Backup quarterback Cotton Turner will miss the rest of the season after fracturing his clavicle in the third quarter. LINK

Ah.  I missed it in the Texans deluge.  But still.... Holy Fuck.

[BudGirl]

Not suggesting that the Texans secondary is the best in the biz, nor that I have much technical knowledge on the matter, but they have just faced two of the premier passers in the history of game.  And beaten them.

Did you notice how the Redskins' defense shut down Dallas last week, yet got burned by Schaub for ~500 yards?

Let's see how the Cowgirls do next week.  If Homo has a good day, then we'll know better.

Schaub was playing from behind, the same as Manning in week 1, so he had to throw alot of passes.  And don't think the Skins are something great.  They've played two games so far and tried to give them both away.  The Texans were willing to take it.

I want to see the Texans next game against Indy.  Peyton took his brother out to the shed last night and beat the shit out of him.

[Astroholic]

Schaub was playing from behind, the same as Manning in week 1, so he had to throw alot of passes.  And don't think the Skins are something great.  They've played two games so far and tried to give them both away.  The Texans were willing to take it.

I want to see the Texans next game against Indy.  Peyton took his brother out to the shed last night and beat the shit out of him.

Will be hard to win in Indy.

[BudGirl]

Ah.  I missed it in the Texans deluge.  But still.... Holy Fuck.

Yeah, it's been a pretty big topic here at work today.  I think I've had 5 conversations about it already.  Some of them even involve the ramifications to Tier One.  Going to be an interesting week...

[BudGirl]

Will be hard to win in Indy.

Uh, yeah.

[Bench]

Some of them even involve the ramifications to Tier One. 

How so? 

[HudsonHawk]

Not suggesting that the Texans secondary is the best in the biz, nor that I have much technical knowledge on the matter, but they have just faced two of the premier passers in the history of game.  And beaten them.

They have beaten them because their offense has saved their collective ass.  It's like winning a baseball game 15-13 and then saying "nothing wrong with our pitching..."

[Astroholic]

Yeah, it's been a pretty big topic here at work today.  I think I've had 5 conversations about it already.  Some of them even involve the ramifications to Tier One.  Going to be an interesting week...

Don't think it will effect Tier One, but you work there so what do I know.  Now conference realignment..yeah.  I am looking forward to seeing Broadway and Piland play.

[BudGirl]

How so? 

When the team wins, money (contributions, endowments, etc.) comes in.  That money helps Tier One.  Plus the national recognition.

[Astroholic]

When the team wins, money (contributions, endowments, etc.) comes in.  That money helps Tier One.  Plus the national recognition.

UH is still more than capable of winning the conference.

[Limey]

I want to see the Texans next game against Indy.  Peyton took his brother out to the shed last night and beat the shit out of him.

So, your acid test for the Texans is how they do on the road against the team that was ranked #1 by many before last week?

I'm sure the UofH students are happy you don't get to mark their papers!

[BudGirl]

So, your acid test for the Texans is how they do on the road against the team that was ranked #1 by many before last week?

I'm sure the UofH students are happy you don't get to mark their papers!

I'm sure they are glad also.

[Ron Brand]

When was the last time a football team lost both its starter and backup QBs for the season in the same game?  Holy fuck.

Well, there was this game between #5 Texas and #2 Oklahoma in 1977.

[sporadic]

Did you notice how the Redskins' defense shut down Dallas last week, yet got burned by Schaub for ~500 yards?

Dallas shut Dallas down last week.  The 'Skins gave up almost 400 yards in last weeks win.  Dallas will move the ball against the Texans and the Texans will move the ball against the Cowboys - and both coaches will try their damdest to give the game away. I think Dallas has a better chance of winning this game standing at 0-2 (I actually had this one as an L when the schedule came out, but I also had them 2-0 at this point).

[Astroholic]

Dallas shut Dallas down last week.  The 'Skins gave up almost 400 yards in last weeks win.  Dallas will move the ball against the Texans and the Texans will move the ball against the Cowboys - and both coaches will try their damdest to give the game away. I think Dallas has a better chance of winning this game standing at 0-2 (I actually had this one as an L when the schedule came out, but I also had them 2-0 at this point).

Dallas will have trouble with the pass rush as their O line is bad.  It is very hard to run on the Texans dfense, so that is out.  Your QB sucks.  Not saying that the Texans will win, but they should.

[BizidyDizidy]

My prediction - dallas loses, wade phillips fired, jason garrett (who appears to be the biggest problem) promoted to head coach

[BudGirl]

My prediction - dallas loses, wade phillips fired, jason garrett (who appears to be the biggest problem) promoted to head coach

this will cause me to end up in jail, as I will have been accessory to murder.  Jason Garrett sucks at play calling.  He's worse than Kubiak.

[MusicMan]

He's worse than Kubiak.

You might as well have just slapped HH in the face with an iron glove.  This aggression will not stand.

[Rebel Jew]

Schaub was playing from behind, the same as Manning in week 1, so he had to throw alot of passes.  And don't think the Skins are something great.  They've played two games so far and tried to give them both away.  The Texans were willing to take it.

I want to see the Texans next game against Indy.  Peyton took his brother out to the shed last night and beat the shit out of him.

Texans (like the Titans, Jags, Patriots, Chargers, etc.) are obviously far better prepared for what the Colts offer than the Giants and many other teams that will play them this year.  On the broadcast last night, the announcers kept talking about how The Colts were so well prepared for the Giants trying to run over them like the Texans did, but it wasn't as simple as the Texans just "running over" the Colts.  The Texans zone blocking scheme is perfectly suited to catching The Colts aggressive d-line off-balance, Andre Johnson and Kevin Walter are often called in to block like tight ends on running plays which creates extra cut-back lanes, and our backs make their breaks and hit the hole fast which neutralizes the colts' read and react linebackers.  On defense, Texans know to be patient and not allow Peyton quick scores even if it means giving up easy yards underneath.  I don't think the Texans will beat the Colts in Indy, but they'll definitely be a lot more competitive.

[Astroholic]

this will cause me to end up in jail, as I will have been accessory to murder.  Jason Garrett sucks at play calling.  He's worse than Kubiak.

If that happens. maybe Kubs will hire Wade as the d coordinator.

[BudGirl]

Dallas will have trouble with the pass rush as their O line is bad.  It is very hard to run on the Texans dfense, so that is out.  Your QB sucks.  Not saying that the Texans will win, but they should.

#1 O-line will be complete for the second time this season.
#2 the Dallas D has only allowed 127 yards rushing for the season.
#3 sporadic doesn't like me to comment on Romo
#4 DeMarcus Ware is a beast.  And Spears on the other side is no slouch.
#5 As long as Mike Jenkins in the secondary is okay, I'll take my secondary over yours.
#6 coaches for both teams suck.
#7 Dallas may or may not have a good kicker.

[subnuclear]

What team does good play-calling?  Peyton Manning?  It seems a common complaint these days, but are the Texans/Cowboys/UT especially bad compared to others?

[MusicMan]

What team does good play-calling?  Peyton Manning?  It seems a common complaint these days, but are the Texans/Cowboys/UT especially bad compared to others?

The Titans are very good at play calling, until Jeff Fisher remembers that he hates Vince Young.

[MusicMan]

#2 the Dallas D has only allowed 127 yards rushing for the season.
#4 DeMarcus Ware is a beast.  And Spears on the other side is no slouch.
#5 As long as Mike Jenkins in the secondary is okay, I'll take my secondary over yours.

And yet Jay freaking Cutler torched them yesterday.

[Astroholic]

The Titans are very good at play calling, until Jeff Fisher remembers that he hates Vince Young.

Jets on Dfense + Play calls.
New Orleans on Offense  ++ play calls..

[BudGirl]

And yet Jay freaking Cutler torched them yesterday.

Yeah, he beat them and he was getting pounded in the first half.  Mind you Ware was on the sideline for one of the TDs.  I am unsure why.  I admit the Cowboys have some problems (ha, more like a lot) but they aren't complete disasters.  Romo's 2 INTs did help with field position for Cutler also.

[HudsonHawk]

The Titans are very good at play calling, until Jeff Fisher remembers that he hates Vince Young.

Hates him = let's him try to pass.

[Jacksonian]

#1 O-line will be complete for the second time this season.
#2 the Dallas D has only allowed 127 yards rushing for the season.
#3 sporadic doesn't like me to comment on Romo
#4 DeMarcus Ware is a beast.  And Spears on the other side is no slouch.
#5 As long as Mike Jenkins in the secondary is okay, I'll take my secondary over yours.
#6 coaches for both teams suck.
#7 Dallas may or may not have a good kicker.

The game will come down to the team that is least badly coached.

[HudsonHawk]

I think Dallas has a better chance of winning this game standing at 0-2 (I actually had this one as an L when the schedule came out, but I also had them 2-0 at this point).

Out of curiosity, what have you seen from the Cowboys so far that makes you think 0-2 is where they need to be in order to beat the 2-0 Texans?

[HudsonHawk]

You might as well have just slapped HH in the face with an iron glove.  This aggression will not stand.

Kubiak is not a horrible play caller.  He's a horrible decision maker.

[Jacksonian]

Out of curiosity, what have you seen from the Cowboys so far that makes you think 0-2 is where they need to be in order to beat the 2-0 Texans?

Desperation will only increase the style of undisciplined recklessness they play with already.  Can Kubiak handle that kind of unpredictability?

[Astroholic]

Kubiak is not a horrible play caller.  He's a horrible decision maker.

And he no longer calls plays..just makes decisions.


Oh and One more rant
Watch the damn field goal attempts....pussy.

[matadorph]

Still can't believe Kubiak didn't kick that field goal.  Still can't believe the Texans won.

I can. In fact, I said "punt it, please!" when that 3rd down bootleg play fell incomplete because there's no fucking way Neil Rackers makes a 53yd FG on the road to win a game for the Texans. You'd think most, if not all, Texans fans remember all the negative results in OT and would be likewise pessimistic about the chance that kicks goes through and the team walks off the field winners. Instead everyone's bashing Kubiak for a smart, conservative decision that gave his team the best chance to win. I thought it was the right call then and I still do now. It would've been even better if Turk hadn't shat himself on the punt.

[sporadic]

Out of curiosity, what have you seen from the Cowboys so far that makes you think 0-2 is where they need to be in order to beat the 2-0 Texans?

because they may get their heads out of their asses and play with a little desperation.  Dallas gets complacent when they are playing well (and it seems they are complacent playing poorly now, as well).  They played two absolutely wretched games, and still had chances to win both of them.  If they play a clean game, I think they win this week.  Their D matches up well with pass happy teams.  They had a field day last year with Philly (X3) and NO.  I like their chances if they can keep Foster & Slaton in check.

And, BG, I think Romo gets way too much praise and grief.  Both picks yesterday were off tipped passes (one was a very good pass, the other questionable, but should not have resulted in an INT)

[Astroholic]

I can. In fact, I said "punt it, please!" when that 3rd down bootleg play fell incomplete because there's now fucking way Neil Rackers makes a 53yd FG on the road to win a game for the Texans. You'd think most, if not all, Texans fans remember all the negative results in OT and would be likewise pessimistic about the chance that kicks goes through and the team walks off the field winners. Instead everyone's bashing Kubiak for a smart, conservative decision that gave his team the best chance to win. I thought it was the right call then and I still do now. It would've been even better if Turk hadn't shat himself on the punt.

I can agree with all of this after the fact.  At the time I wanted them to try and winsteal the game..


Kubs Icing of the Washington kicker was brilliant.

[Astroholic]

because they may get their heads out of their asses and play with a little desperation.  Dallas gets complacent when they are playing well (and it seems they are complacent playing poorly now, as well).  They played two absolutely wretched games, and still had chances to win both of them.  If they play a clean game, I think they win this week.  Their D matches up well with pass happy teams.  They had a field day last year with Philly (X3) and NO.  I like their chances if they can keep Foster & Slaton in check.

And, BG, I think Romo gets way too much praise and grief.  Both picks yesterday were off tipped passes (one was a very good pass, the other questionable, but should not have resulted in an INT)

whom tipped them?  Williams?

Is Witten (sp) out?

[HudsonHawk]

I can. In fact, I said "punt it, please!"

Why am I not surprised.

[Bench]

Kubs Icing of the Washington kicker was brilliant.

Clockblock

[sporadic]

whom tipped them?  Williams?

Is Witten (sp) out?

Witten reached back and tipped one right to the DB.  I forget who tipped the other, but it was not off target

Witten got pulled yesterday after banging his head on the turf.  Came up woozy and the docs would not let him back in the game.  he was none too pleased about it, eiter.  I thought he was going to mame that poor doctor.

[Astroholic]

Witten reached back and tipped one right to the DB.  I forget who tipped the other, but it was not off target

Witten got pulled yesterday after banging his head on the turf.  Came up woozy and the docs would not let him back in the game.  he was none too pleased about it, eiter.  I thought he was going to mame that poor doctor.

so chances are he plays.  I personally want the girls at full speed, so there can't be any excuses.

[BudGirl]

And, BG, I think Romo gets way too much praise and grief.  Both picks yesterday were off tipped passes (one was a very good pass, the other questionable, but should not have resulted in an INT)

If I remember correctly, one of the INTs went through Austin's hands.

[matadorph]

I can agree with all of this after the fact.  At the time I wanted them to try and winsteal the game..


Kubs Icing of the Washington kicker was brilliant.

See that's the thing I don't get.... how could any Texans fan remotely believe Rackers would've made that kick? I am an unabashed homer who generally thinks positively about my sports teams, but even I couldn't let myself believe that I'd see Rackers hit a kick from that distance when I've been kicked in the gut repeatedly by Kris Brown. So, you're left with three realistic choices--1) punt and try to pin them back; 2) fake the FG; 3) go for it on fourth down.

A fake FG would've been almost unthinkably suicidal at that point. I can only imagine how badly that could've turned out (see e.g., RB Chris Brown's terrible pass attempt vs. JAC last season). Going for it on fourth down was a consideration, but the Redskins had that 3rd down play sniffed out pretty well. The safe call was the punt. Extend the game and let your defense try to make a play.

[hostros7]

A fake FG would've been almost unthinkably suicidal at that point. I can only imagine how badly that could've turned out (see e.g., RB Chris Brown's terrible pass attempt vs. JAC last season). Going for it on fourth down was a consideration, but the Redskins had that 3rd down play sniffed out pretty well. The safe call was the punt. Extend the game and let your defense try to make a play.

I'm no expert, but I think punting in that situation in a game that is decided by sudden death rules isn't the right call.  Kick the FG or line-up in the normal offense and go for it. 

[Lurch]

I can. In fact, I said "punt it, please!" when that 3rd down bootleg play fell incomplete because there's no fucking way Neil Rackers makes a 53yd FG on the road to win a game for the Texans. You'd think most, if not all, Texans fans remember all the negative results in OT and would be likewise pessimistic about the chance that kicks goes through and the team walks off the field winners. Instead everyone's bashing Kubiak for a smart, conservative decision that gave his team the best chance to win. I thought it was the right call then and I still do now. It would've been even better if Turk hadn't shat himself on the punt.

I would certainly not be making such a decision based off of Texans' history kicking or in OT.  That's closer to making a decision based on superstition rather than facts.   Might as well be questioning what underwear you're wearing.  It's the 2nd game of THIS season with THIS year's team and this year's kicker.  Also, if you don't have confidence in your kicker to make a road game winning 53 yard field goal in the NFL, you have the wrong guy.

I have to believe he made the call because of confidence in his D to improve his odds.  I disagreed with it then, and do now, but to be fair, he did get unlucky with that stupid fucking spearing call.  Otherwise, it likely would have been a punt to turn the ball back over to the Texans rather than a missed field goal.

[Astroholic]

See that's the thing I don't get.... how could any Texans fan remotely believe Rackers would've made that kick? I am an unabashed homer who generally thinks positively about my sports teams, but even I couldn't let myself believe that I'd see Rackers hit a kick from that distance when I've been kicked in the gut repeatedly by Kris Brown. So, you're left with three realistic choices--1) punt and try to pin them back; 2) fake the FG; 3) go for it on fourth down.

A fake FG would've been almost unthinkably suicidal at that point. I can only imagine how badly that could've turned out (see e.g., RB Chris Brown's terrible pass attempt vs. JAC last season). Going for it on fourth down was a consideration, but the Redskins had that 3rd down play sniffed out pretty well. The safe call was the punt. Extend the game and let your defense try to make a play.

I was already pissed by the conservative play call to end regulation.  I..like most fans, am emotionally charged while the game is going on.  In retrospect, I think he made the right call.  Turk needs to aim for the sidelines, Just like Slaton needs to learn how to return kicks (one yard line...pffffttt).

[matadorph]

I'm no expert, but I think punting in that situation in a game that is decided by sudden death rules isn't the right call.  Kick the FG or line-up in the normal offense and go for it. 

Well, the whole sudden death thing also means you try not to make dumb decisions that could give Donovan McNabb a 25yd field with which to win the game. Two of those choices would've been needlessly risky and dumb. The safe play was the one Kubiak called. If you don't have a kicker that can hit from that distance into the wind, punt the fucking football.

[Astroholic]

I would certainly not be making such a decision based off of Texans' history kicking or in OT.  That's closer to making a decision based on superstition rather than facts.   Might as well be questioning what underwear you're wearing.  It's the 2nd game of THIS season with THIS year's team and this year's kicker.  Also, if you don't have confidence in your kicker to make a road game winning 53 yard field goal in the NFL, you have the wrong guy.

I have to believe he made the call because of confidence in his D to improve his odds.  I disagreed with it then, and do now, but to be fair, he did get unlucky with that stupid fucking spearing call.  Otherwise, it likely would have been a punt to turn the ball back over to the Texans rather than a missed field goal.

Rackers was brought in for his accuracy inside the 45 yard line.  Brown had a better leg, but lost his confidence.  I am sure the Texans will continue to look for the perfect kicker in the off season.

[HudsonHawk]

See that's the thing I don't get.... how could any Texans fan remotely believe Rackers would've made that kick? I am an unabashed homer who generally thinks positively about my sports teams, but even I couldn't let myself believe that I'd see Rackers hit a kick from that distance when I've been kicked in the gut repeatedly by Kris Brown.

Letting your emotions about a player no longer on the team make poor strategic decisions for you is *your* problem.  That doesn't make it good football.  It's the NFL.  It's overtime.  It's a 50-yard FG.  You kick the fucking ball.

[MusicMan]

  It's the NFL.  It's overtime.  It's a 50-yard FG.  You kick the fucking ball.

How well did it work out for Shanahan?

[matadorph]

I would certainly not be making such a decision based off of Texans' history kicking or in OT.  That's closer to making a decision based on superstition rather than facts.

Absolutely yes. I only mentioned the past because it informs how us fans view the present. If you've seen the script unfolding before you, it's generally hard to believe the result will be any different, which is why I'm surprised so many thought in the moment that it was a crazy decision to punt.

 Also, if you don't have confidence in your kicker to make a road game winning 53 yard field goal in the NFL, you have the wrong guy.

Then we have the wrong kicker for you. If you've paid attention to Rackers throughout his career, it's well known that he's not a distance kicker. He's an accurate kicker with limited range. It was a trade off the organization was willing to make because the chances are better that he will be mostly kicking from inside 45 yds than outside 50. That's why they gave him the job over Kris Brown.

I have to believe he made the call because of confidence in his D to improve his odds.  I disagreed with it then, and do now, but to be fair, he did get unlucky with that stupid fucking spearing call.  Otherwise, it likely would have been a punt to turn the ball back over to the Texans rather than a missed field goal.

Good point. Kubiak sent a message to his defense that he believed in them to get the job done. They did. I think this is going to prove to be a key game in shaping the psyche of this team.

[matadorph]

Letting your emotions about a player no longer on the team make poor strategic decisions for you is *your* problem.  That doesn't make it good football.  It's the NFL.  It's overtime.  It's a 50-yard FG.  You kick the fucking ball.

Rackers is not that kicker, HH.

[MusicMan]

Then we have the wrong kicker for you. If you've paid attention to Rackers throughout his career, it's well known that he's not a distance kicker. He's an accurate kicker with limited range. It was a trade off the organization was willing to make because the chances are better that he will be mostly kicking from inside 45 yds than outside 50. That's why they gave him the job over Kris Brown.

This.

The problem was not the call.  The problem was the failure of execution on the punt.

[Astroholic]

This.

The problem was not the call.  The problem was the failure of execution on the punt.

exactly.  If Turk nails them insode the 10 yr line, then everyone is happy.  And that roughing the passer...cmon man!

[HudsonHawk]

How well did it work out for Shanahan?

That's irrelevant.  It's the right call.

[Astroholic]

That's irrelevant.  It's the right call.

If you have the right kicker.

[MusicMan]

That's irrelevant. 

The potential impact if you miss the kick is not irrelevant.

[HudsonHawk]

exactly.  If Turk nails them insode the 10 yr line, then everyone is happy.  And that roughing the passer...cmon man!

I'm not.  A good result from the punt does not excuse Kubiak's idiocy on the initial play call.

[HudsonHawk]

The potential impact if you miss the kick is not irrelevant.

But you can't look at the result and say it was a bad call.  That's like saying they Colts shouldn't have started Peyton Manning against the Texans...after all, it didn't work out. 

[sporadic]

The potential impact if you miss the kick is not irrelevant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58I

[HudsonHawk]

If you have the right kicker.

If you have an NFL kicker.  Which the Texans do.  Rackers is perfectly capable of making that field goal.

[Lurch]

Absolutely yes. I only mentioned the past because it informs how us fans view the present. If you've seen the script unfolding before you, it's generally hard to believe the result will be any different, which is why I'm surprised so many thought in the moment that it was a crazy decision to punt.

I thought we were talking about a logical coaching decision, not a fan's batshit crazy irrational emotional bias.  My bad.

As for the 50+ yard accuracy leading to the call, I stand corrected.  That makes sense if the Texans knew they were bringing on a kicker with no expectations for him from that distance.

[matadorph]

That's irrelevant.  It's the right call.

Bullfuckingshit. Who won the game?

The right call is the one that takes all the relevant facts into account and balances the risks and rewards. You don't kick a 53 yd FG attempt into the wind with a kicker who can barely clear 50 on a good day. That does not give your team the best chance to win.

[Astroholic]

I'm not.  A good result from the punt does not excuse Kubiak's idiocy on the initial play call.

Well, I can see we won't get anywhere with this argument.  I think it was the right call for the situation.  

The thing that really bugs the hell out of me with Kubiak is his conservative play calling, (both offensively and defensively) if he is making the calls.  Why at the end of regulation are you letting the clock tick off and jogging to the line.  Win the fucking game.

[HudsonHawk]

Bullfuckingshit. Who won the game?

So you're saying it was a mistake for Shanahan to start Donovan McNabb?  You're saying Steve Slaton's fielding the kickoff at the 1 foot line was smart?  Just because you won the game does not mean every call you made was a smart one.  Pull your head out of your ass.  For once.

[Lurch]

Why at the end of regulation are you letting the clock tick off and jogging to the line.  Win the fucking game.

Dallas, week 1, end of Q2.

[matadorph]

If you have an NFL kicker.  Which the Texans do.  Rackers is perfectly capable of making that field goal.

Really? Do you not understand he was kicking into the wind? Did you not see his 52 yd FG inside the Superdome barely clear the crossbar by a matter of inches? Did you not see him already miss a long FG earlier in the game?

[MusicMan]

Rackers is perfectly capable of making that field goal.

2009: No 50+ attemps
2008: 1 of 2
2007: 3 of 9
2006: 1 of 7

It is just slightly possible that Kubiak knows his kicker better than you do.

[Astroholic]

Dallas, week 1, end of Q2.

bullshit.  You are on the road, hostile environment, at the end of regulation in a tied ballgame.  Win the game.

[HudsonHawk]

Really? Do you not understand he was kicking into the wind? Did you not see his 52 yd FG inside the Superdome barely clear the crossbar by a matter of inches? Did you not see him already miss a long FG earlier in the game?

1.  There was little or no wind.
2.  Past performance is not a guarantee of future results.
3.  The miss earlier in the game was not short of the goal posts.

[MusicMan]

But you can't look at the result and say it was a bad call. 

I'm not looking at the result.  I'm saying that missing the kick is an easily foreseeable result, and that you must make your decision with that in mind.

[HudsonHawk]

2009: No 50+ attemps
2008: 1 of 2
2007: 3 of 9
2006: 1 of 7

It is just slightly possible that Kubiak knows his kicker better than you do.

It's slightly possible that Kubiak knows anything.  But I wouldn't bet on it.  And I didn't say it was a chip shot.

[HudsonHawk]

I'm not looking at the result.  I'm saying that missing the kick is an easily foreseeable result, and that you must make your decision with that in mind.

No, you said the Redskins missed their kick; therefore, Rackers would have missed his.  More or less.

[MusicMan]

It's slightly possible that Kubiak knows anything.  But I wouldn't bet on it.  And I didn't say it was a chip shot.

Kubiak could come up with a plan to eliminate the federal deficit in 2 years that made 99% of Americans blissfully happy, and you would say he's a fucking moron because he wouldn't get it done in a year.

[Lurch]

from chron.com

Kubiak surely understood that his sending out punter Matt Turk instead of Rackers might be misinterpreted, but head coaches are paid a lot of money to make those kind of decisions. Kubiak said he went "with my gut," and he wound up looking like a genius.

"There was a little breeze coming that way (into Rackers' face)," Kubiak said. "If you miss that (from the Redskins' 34), they've got to go 20 yards to beat us. I felt good about our defense. I thought they'd made a few nice stops in the quarter. It's one of those things that just worked out. If it doesn't work out, it's not good, but it worked out.

"(Rackers) said, 'Coach, I'm OK. I'm good. But there was obviously a breeze coming from that end because all the kickoffs coming from the other way were so much longer. He told me after the game, 'You know I would have made that.' I said, 'Well, now you tell me.' "

Turk's punt landed in the end zone despite the Texans drawing a deliberate delay-of-game penalty to move him five yards further back, so the Redskins took over at the 20, just 14 yards from where they would have been had Kubiak let Rackers kick. Turk was mad at himself for not burying Washington, but he praised Kubiak's thought process.

"That was just the call made by the head coach, and it ended up being a great call," he said. "It was borderline, right at the cutoff distance (for a field goal). We were going into a little breeze, and if you don't hit it perfectly clean, the ball doesn't go anywhere. I'm not happy with the punt, but I'm happy with the end result."

[HudsonHawk]

Kubiak could come up with a plan to eliminate the federal deficit in 2 years that made 99% of Americans blissfully happy, and you would say he's a fucking moron because he wouldn't get it done in a year.

Right.  My gripe with Kubiak is that this is his first season, and he hasn't won a Super Bowl yet.  Way to pay attention.

[MusicMan]

No, you said the Redskins missed their kick; therefore, Rackers would have missed his.  More or less.

Your reading comprehension is clearly lacking today.

[BizidyDizidy]

Absolutely yes. I only mentioned the past because it informs how us fans view the present. If you've seen the script unfolding before you, it's generally hard to believe the result will be any different, which is why I'm surprised so many thought in the moment that it was a crazy decision to punt.

You say this and yet you are trying to win an argument with HH.

[HudsonHawk]

Your reading comprehension is clearly lacking today.

Did you or did you not type:

"How well did it work out for Shanahan?"

[matadorph]

It's slightly possible that Kubiak knows anything.  But I wouldn't bet on it.  And I didn't say it was a chip shot.

It's greater than slightly possible that you know very little, as evidenced by your repeatedly wrong assessment of Matt Schaub and David Carr. Now it's Kubiak's turn to prove your stubborn old ass wrong again.

No, you didn't say it was a  chip shot, you said it was a 50 yd FG. It was actually three yards longer, which is considerable at that distance.

[Astroholic]

Just think what kind of argument would be taking place if the Texans had lost.

[HudsonHawk]

It's greater than slightly possible that you know very little, as evidenced by your repeatedly wrong assessment of Matt Schaub and David Carr. Now it's Kubiak's turn to prove your stubborn old ass wrong again.

Wrong in the minds of dipshits like you who think Kris Brown missing a field goal last year has any bearing on whether or not Neil Rackers will make one this year. 

[Astroholic]

Wrong in the minds of dipshits like you who think Kris Brown missing a field goal last year has any bearing on whether or not Neil Rackers will make one this year. 

If Brown was on the team, I bet Kubs would have tried it.

[matadorph]

I thought we were talking about a logical coaching decision, not a fan's batshit crazy irrational emotional bias.  My bad.

As for the 50+ yard accuracy leading to the call, I stand corrected.  That makes sense if the Texans knew they were bringing on a kicker with no expectations for him from that distance.

The Texans knew that about Rackers, as did this "batshit crazy" fan who's had him on his fantasy team in previous years. Maybe that's why I was the only one in the bar who knew punting was the correct call to make.

[MusicMan]

Did you or did you not type:

"How well did it work out for Shanahan?"

Correct.  How well did the decision to kick work for him?  As in, what happens to your team if you miss?  Is it more likely than not that you will make the 50+ yard field goal?  Is the likelihood that your defense can get the ball back on a full field more or less than the likelihood that your kicker can make a field goal of that distance?

Kubiak knows that his kicker is poor from over 50 yards.  He knows (as he stated) that a miss from 54 gives the Redskins a very, very short field.  (Note that the Skins would have had a 40-yarder for the win if Rackers had missed, instead of the punt).

[HudsonHawk]

Just think what kind of argument would be taking place if the Texans had lost.

You guys are gonna drive me to drinkin'.

[HudsonHawk]

Correct.  How well did the decision to kick work for him?  As in, what happens to your team if you miss?

So you typed "how well did it work out", but you in no way were referring to the result?  You're crawfishing now.

[Astroholic]

You guys are gonna drive me to drinkin'.

Havent we already?

[HudsonHawk]

The Texans knew that about Rackers, as did this "batshit crazy" fan who's had him on his fantasy team in previous years. Maybe that's why I was the only one in the bar who knew punting was the correct call to make.

Holy shit!!!  You have a fantasy team?  Well why didn't you say so before, coach?  This changes everything.

[HudsonHawk]

Havent we already?

Right now I only drink for pleasure.

[Astroholic]

Right now I only drink for pleasure.

It works for pain as well, at least for a little while.

[HudsonHawk]

  (Note that the Skins would have had a 40-yarder for the win if Rackers had missed, instead of the punt).

Oh come on.  I know your logic isn't this bad.

[matadorph]

Wrong in the minds of dipshits like you who think Kris Brown missing a field goal last year has any bearing on whether or not Neil Rackers will make one this year. 

As I've already stated, I was referring to the fan response in the moment that decision was made. How could any Texans fan remotely bring themselves to believe a Texans kicker would line up a hit that kick in that situation? Texans fans are a horribly pessimistic lot, yet everyone got wildly positive real quick expecting a miracle kick that a guy like Rackers was not at all likely to make?

Fan emotion aside, Kubiak knew his kicker's history, as did I. You clearly don't.

[HudsonHawk]

As I've already stated, I was referring to the fan response in the moment that decision was made. How could any Texans fan remotely bring themselves to believe a Texans kicker would line up a hit that kick in that situation?

Because we're not all idiots.

[Bench]

You say this and yet you are trying to win an argument with HH.

Nominated.

[matadorph]

Because we're not all idiots.

Says the guy stomping his foot and praying for a miracle play with :03 seconds on the clock with the Texans on their own 30yd line. THROW A HAIL MARRY THAT ALWAYS WORKS!!!

[MusicMan]

So you typed "how well did it work out", but you in no way were referring to the result?  You're crawfishing now.

Bullshit.  I'll admit that it doesn't give a high level of detail, but given everything else I've said on the subject, you're just being willfully stubborn.

[MusicMan]

Oh come on.  I know your logic isn't this bad.

And I know that your logic isn't bad enough to make a play with less than 25% chance of success, when its failure greatly increases your chances of losing, and yet here we are.

[matadorph]

Just think what kind of argument would be taking place if the Texans had lost.

They had no business winning that game, but good teams find ways to win messy games. I believe it is now safe to say this is a good team with a strong coaching staff. Redskins fans must be apoplectic over losing that game.

[HudsonHawk]

Bullshit.  I'll admit that it doesn't give a high level of detail, but given everything else I've said on the subject, you're just being willfully stubborn.

I'm just reading what you write.  So what is "it" that did/didn't work out, if not the result?

[HudsonHawk]

And I know that your logic isn't bad enough to make a play with less than 25% chance of success, when its failure greatly increases your chances of losing, and yet here we are.

1.  I don't believe the chance was less than 25%
2.  The punt gained them a whopping 15 yards.  If you believe that strongly in your defense, an extra 15 yards is meaningless.
3.  That very well could have been your only chance to win the game.  In fact, if the Redskins don't miss that second attempt, it was.  You don't pass up a perfectly good chance to win that game. 

[HudsonHawk]

Says the guy stomping his foot and praying for a miracle play with :03 seconds on the clock with the Texans on their own 30yd line. THROW A HAIL MARRY THAT ALWAYS WORKS!!!

They were at the 36.  And I never said it ALWAYS WORKS.  You must have gone to the Dan Fouts school of football knowledge.

[MusicMan]

I'm just reading what you write. 

Your forgot "selectively".  I wont FIFY, since you get your panties in a bunch about that, oo.
 

So what is "it" that did/didn't work out, if not the result?

The result demonstrates the possibility that Kubiak was dealing with in his decision making process.  You're either unwilling, or unable, to process the possibility that a kicker who has missed 15 of his last 20 kicks from 50+ yards would miss again. 

[MusicMan]

1.  I don't believe the chance was less than 25%

So we're back to "HH knows Rackers' abilities better than his own coach".

2.  The punt gained them a whopping 15 yards.  If you believe that strongly in your defense, an extra 15 yards is meaningless.

It seems to me that you're criticizing the RESULT of the punt.

[HudsonHawk]

Your forgot "selectively".  I wont FIFY, since you get your panties in a bunch about that, oo.
 
The result demonstrates the possibility that Kubiak was dealing with in his decision making process.  You're either unwilling, or unable, to process the possibility that a kicker who has missed 15 of his last 20 kicks from 50+ yards would miss again. 

No, you're unwilling or unable to process the possibility that he could make it.  And forget the result.  Again, you can't judge the wisdom of the decision based on the result.  So now we're back to where we were.

[HudsonHawk]

So we're back to "HH knows Rackers' abilities better than his own coach".

Better than Kubiak?  Absolutely. 

It seems to me that you're criticizing the RESULT of the punt.

No, I'm criticising the fact that it was even attempted.  If Turk puts it on the 1-yard line, it's still a dumb call.

[matadorph]

They were at the 36.  And I never said it ALWAYS WORKS.  You must have gone to the Dan Fouts school of football knowledge.

I'm just reading what you write. You did throw your silly old man temper tantrum, no? OMG KUBIAK IS HORRIBLE HOW DARE HE NOT RUN A PLAY HERE!!!!

Again, risks vs. rewards. You are not going to score from seventy yards out with :03 on the clock, and running a play only increases the risks of somebody getting hurt or turning the ball over for a TD the other way. Ask Dallas fans about that.

[matadorph]

Better than Kubiak?  Absolutely. 

No, I'm criticising the fact that it was even attempted.  If Turk puts it on the 1-yard line, it's still a dumb call.

BWHAAHAHAHA

Drinking early today, HH?

[MusicMan]

No, you're unwilling or unable to process the possibility that he could make it. 

http://www.spikesnstars.com/forums/index.php?topic=111635.msg351339#msg351339

Is it more likely than not that you will make the 50+ yard field goal?  Is the likelihood that your defense can get the ball back on a full field more or less than the likelihood that your kicker can make a field goal of that distance?

As I said, reading comprehension is failing you today.

[MusicMan]

Better than Kubiak?  Absolutely. 

You would run a Clark for claiming this about any manager, including Cooper.

[HudsonHawk]

I'm just reading what you write. You did throw your silly old man temper tantrum, no? OMG KUBIAK IS HORRIBLE HOW DARE HE NOT RUN A PLAY HERE!!!!

You have a point?

Again, risks vs. rewards. You are not going to score from seventy yards out with :03 on the clock, and running a play only increases the risks of somebody getting hurt or turning the ball over for a TD the other way. Ask Dallas fans about that.

They weren't 70 yards away, they were 64.  And you don't have to score on that play.  Seriously...have you ever watched a football game, or do you just play fantasy?

[HudsonHawk]

You would run a Clark for claiming this about any manager, including Cooper.

No, I wouldn't, not for that anyway.  But I'm absolutely convinced that I know more about managing a football game than Gary Kubiak.  There is no doubt in my mind.  You may disagree.

[HudsonHawk]

As I said, reading comprehension is failing you today.

No, you're crawfishing because you know your logic is fucked up.

[matadorph]

No, you're unwilling or unable to process the possibility that he could make it.  And forget the result.  Again, you can't judge the wisdom of the decision based on the result.  So now we're back to where we were.

You are now completely blowing shit out of your ass.

Rackers is not a distance kicker. He is an accuracy kicker. He made that preseason 52 yd kick from indoors, on turf, literally by inches...and you think he has a good chance to make a longer kick in tougher conditions?

[MusicMan]

No, you're crawfishing because you know your logic is fucked up.

Your statement was an out and out lie.  I demonstrated it.  Everyone else can see it.  But you're too proud of your stubborn contrarian arguments to admit when you're a liar.

[Limey]

They have beaten them because their offense has saved their collective ass.  It's like winning a baseball game 15-13 and then saying "nothing wrong with our pitching..."

Right.  But I'd like to see how the secondary performs against non-HoF QBs before I assume that they're fundamentally flawed.  Not saying that they aren't, but from my layman's viewpoint, I haven't really seen them tripping on their dicks and giving up yards on clearly blown assignments / formations.

[matadorph]

You have a point?

Yes. You have a tree limb embedded in your rectal cavity. Get over being wrong. It's ok.

They weren't 70 yards away, they were 64.  And you don't have to score on that play.  Seriously...have you ever watched a football game, or do you just play fantasy?

If you're not trying to score with three seconds left, what's the point? To draw a penalty? Sure, you can throw it up there praying for a PI call or whatnot, but you're also exposing your QB to unnecessary risk, and you're still opening yourself to the possibility of a turnover returned for a TD. BTW, where was this swashbuckling HH during last year's Jacksonville game?

You're on the road and you've battled back from a 27-10 deficit. You can afford to play it safe and win it in OT.

[Limey]

The potential impact if you miss the kick is not irrelevant.

I think it was pointed out at the time that the 'Skins needed two plays to get back to the point on the field where they would've taken possession on a missed FG.  Juss sayin'.

[Astroholic]

No, I wouldn't, not for that anyway.  But I'm absolutely convinced that I know more about managing a football game than Gary Kubiak.  There is no doubt in my mind.  You may disagree.

bullshit!  Have you coached any football ever?

[austro]

I think it was pointed out at the time that the 'Skins needed two plays to get back to the point on the field where they would've taken possession on a missed FG.  Juss sayin'.

Yeah, but that was because 1) Turk fucked up the punt, and 2) whoever it was got the idiotic spearing penalty on a sack that would have otherwise really fucked Washington. The fact that those two things happened doesn't mean that the decision to punt was clearly moronic.

[Astroholic]

Yes. You have a tree limb embedded in your rectal cavity. Get over being wrong. It's ok.


If you're not trying to score with three seconds left, what's the point? To draw a penalty? Sure, you can throw it up there praying for a PI call or whatnot, but you're also exposing your QB to unnecessary risk, and you're still opening yourself to the possibility of a turnover returned for a TD. BTW, where was this swashbuckling HH during last year's Jacksonville game?

You're on the road and you've battled back from a 27-10 deficit. You can afford to play it safe and win it in OT.

I am not talking about the 3 second punt play.  I am talking about the series of play calling that led up to the three second punt play.  The punt was the right call, though I would have snapped it to my qb and had him take a knee, as the skins had no more timeouts.  

[BizidyDizidy]

I am not talking about the 3 second punt play.  I am talking about the series of play calling that led up to the three second punt play.  The punt was the right call, though I would have snapped it to my qb and had him take a knee, as the skins had no more timeouts.  

You might be a worse coach than Kubiak (hard to believe I know) if you don't know that the clock stops on a change of possession.

[Astroholic]

2) whoever it was got the idiotic spearing penalty on a sack that would have otherwise really fucked Washington.

Antonio Smith.  He got a few last year that were similar.  Stupid.

[Astroholic]

You might be a worse coach than Kubiak (hard to believe I know) if you don't know that the clock stops on a change of possession.

Yep got that, but the qb doesnt have to kneel right away. 

[BizidyDizidy]

Yep got that, but the qb doesnt have to kneel right away.  

Well isn't that basically what they did then? And how are the redskins timeouts relevant in that case?

[matadorph]

Thank Tebus it wasn't Slaton assigned to take that knee. He probably would've run out of bounds with one second left on the clock.

[Astroholic]

Well isn't that basically what they did then? And how are the redskins timeouts relevant in that case?

I think a deep snap with Turk running around is a little more dangerous, but it worked so I am not second guessing that.

[Astroholic]

Thank Tebus it wasn't Slaton assigned to take that knee. He probably would've run out of bounds with one second left on the clock.

I still can't believe that play.  Cmon Man!

[roadrunner]

Right.  But I'd like to see how the secondary performs against non-HoF QBs before I assume that they're fundamentally flawed.  Not saying that they aren't, but from my layman's viewpoint, I haven't really seen them tripping on their dicks and giving up yards on clearly blown assignments / formations.

I would agree, but it was incredible how wide open some of the Redskins receivers were

[Astroholic]

I would agree, but it was incredible how wide open some of the Redskins receivers were

Adibi was getting burned on a regular basis.  This should improve when Cush gets back.

[MusicMan]

This should improve when Cush gets back.

This nickname always makes me think of Jerry Maguire.

[HudsonHawk]

Your statement was an out and out lie.  I demonstrated it.  Everyone else can see it.  But you're too proud of your stubborn contrarian arguments to admit when you're a liar.

My statement was 100% spot on.  Everyone but you can see it.  You're wrong, and you're embarassed about it.  And I would respectfully request that you don't call my intergrity into question when you are so.

[HudsonHawk]

Yes. You have a tree limb embedded in your rectal cavity. Get over being wrong. It's ok.

In other words, no.

If you're not trying to score with three seconds left, what's the point?

You don't have to go all 64 yards to score on that play.  Seriously, are you really this stupid?

[HudsonHawk]

bullshit!  Have you coached any football ever?

I take it you disagree.

[Astroholic]

I take it you disagree.

Yes.  Coaching at any level is not easy.  I question Kubiak and his play calling, but I am a fan.  I think overall that he is an average game coach, a plus personnel person and a very good people person.  His players appear to always have his back, when I have heard them talk about him.  I myself have coached (all be it pee wee) and understand how hard it really is.

[roadrunner]

Adibi was getting burned on a regular basis.  This should improve when Cush gets back.

Isn't Adibi supposed to be our best cover LB?  That's what worries me....

[Noe]

But I'm absolutely convinced that I know more about managing a football game than Gary Kubiak.  There is no doubt in my mind. 

This is so cool.  I haven't heard or read this sort of thing since listening and reading Charlie Pallilo on 790 the Sports Animal.  I don't disagree that you're absolutely convinced that you know more about managing a football game than Gary Kubiak by the way.

[Astroholic]

Isn't Adibi supposed to be our best cover LB?  That's what worries me....

That’s what I thought as well.  I had really high hopes when the Texans drafted him, but it has not completely panned out.  Cushing is pretty fast for a big dude and can cover well.

[HudsonHawk]

Yes.  Coaching at any level is not easy.  I question Kubiak and his play calling, but I am a fan.  I think overall that he is an average game coach, a plus personnel person and a very good people person.  His players appear to always have his back, when I have heard them talk about him.  I myself have coached (all be it pee wee) and understand how hard it really is.

I coach every Sunday from my seat at Reliant or my den.  I don't find it that difficult.  And it's not the play calling that gets me about Kubiak, it's his total inability to manage the game.  His being completely situationally unaware.

[HudsonHawk]

That’s what I thought as well.  I had really high hopes when the Texans drafted him, but it has not completely panned out.  Cushing is pretty fast for a big dude and can cover well.

The thing I like most about Cushing is that when he hits someone, they go down.  Right.  Then.

[Astroholic]

I coach every Sunday from my seat at Reliant or my den.  I don't find it that difficult.  And it's not the play calling that gets me about Kubiak, it's his total inability to manage the game.  His being completely situationally unaware.

You are only seeing 1 part of what it means to be a coach.  Good luck with that ego.

[HudsonHawk]

You are only seeing 1 part of what it means to be a coach.  Good luck with that ego.

Turn up your sarcasm meter.

[Astroholic]

Turn up your sarcasm meter.

I will try.  But I am still not sure you don't think you could do a better job.

[Lurch]

a kicker who has missed 15 of his last 20 kicks from 50+ yards would miss again. 

Tell me this isn't what you used to come up with your 25% probability

[HudsonHawk]

I will try.  But I am still not sure you don't think you could do a better job.

Better than Kubiak at managing a game?  Of course I could.  He may be the only one though.