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General Discussion => Talk Zone => Topic started by: Gizzmonic on July 31, 2008, 09:33:24 am
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MLB.com is reporting (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080730&content_id=3228447&vkey=trade2008&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb) that Manny Ramirez might be traded to the Marlins for the stretch run. The Red Sox would play Manny's salary. I can't believe the Red Sox would let go of Manny, after they've coddled him and let him run his mouth for this long.
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MLB.com is reporting (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080730&content_id=3228447&vkey=trade2008&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb) that Manny Ramirez might be traded to the Marlins for the stretch run. The Red Sox would play Manny's salary. I can't believe the Red Sox would let go of Manny, after they've coddled him and let him run his mouth for this long.
The deal reported this morning on ESPN radio is this:
Pittsburgh - Florida - BoSox in a three way (NTTAWWT)
Pittsburgh gets Jeremy Hermida (sp?)
Boston gets Jason Bay
Florida gets (Grabow from Pittsburgh and Manny from Boston).
Now, why in the world would Florida want two veterans in Grabow and Manny? For yet another stretch run at the playoff and possibly run through the NLDS and possibly NLCS and possibly World Series and possibly win it all yet again? Yes. Very much so.
And then they'll fire sale in the offseason and start all over again. It is the Florida Marlin way!
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The deal reported this morning on ESPN radio is this:
Pittsburgh - Florida - BoSox in a three way (NTTAWWT)
Pittsburgh gets Jeremy Hermida (sp?)
Boston gets Jason Bay
Florida gets (Grabow from Pittsburgh and Manny from Boston).
Now, why in the world would Florida want two veterans in Grabow and Manny? For yet another stretch run at the playoff and possibly run through the NLDS and possibly NLCS and possibly World Series and possibly win it all yet again? Yes. Very much so.
And then they'll fire sale in the offseason and start all over again. It is the Florida Marlin way!
Given their situation, it's hard to argue with the results.
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The deal reported this morning on ESPN radio is this:
Pittsburgh - Florida - BoSox in a three way (NTTAWWT)
Pittsburgh gets Jeremy Hermida (sp?)
Boston gets Jason Bay
Florida gets (Grabow from Pittsburgh and Manny from Boston).
Now, why in the world would Florida want two veterans in Grabow and Manny? For yet another stretch run at the playoff and possibly run through the NLDS and possibly NLCS and possibly World Series and possibly win it all yet again? Yes. Very much so.
And then they'll fire sale in the offseason and start all over again. It is the Florida Marlin way!
Why is Pittsburgh so intent on trading Bay? As Teddy KGB would say, just pay the man his money.
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Marlins are saying there's no deal done. Doesn't mean there won't be one. Everyone seems to be saying that Manny's going to be Manny somewhere other than Boston, but the "somewhere" is TBNL.
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Marlins are saying there's no deal done. Doesn't mean there won't be one. Everyone seems to be saying that Manny's going to be Manny somewhere other than Boston, but the "somewhere" is TBNL.
Not the first time Manny's been involved in trade rumors. Will he continue to fake injuries and pull himself out of games if they don't trade him? God, what an idiot. I'm so glad the Astros don't have him.
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Not the first time Manny's been involved in trade rumors. Will he continue to fake injuries and pull himself out of games if they don't trade him? God, what an idiot. I'm so glad the Astros don't have him.
Last night, he went off on the Red Sox, then climbed up and nailed himself onto the same cross on which they crucified Brett Faavruh (http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/tools/med/2008/07/ipt/1217477867.jpg).
He's like a superhero for douchebags.
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To the Dodgers, is what they're saying now.
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And Bay to the Sox. Looks interesting.
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Pirates haul in Andy LaRoche, Bryan Morris, Damien Moss and Craig Hansen.
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Manny to Dodgers, Bay to Sox, 4 minor leaguers to Pirates? (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/25954085/)
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Manny to Dodgers, Bay to Sox, 4 minor leaguers to Pirates? (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/25954085/)
3 of those 4 minor leaguers have been in the majors. The Pirates got a major league ready 3b, of, reliever, and a low-A starting pitcher who, by the way, was drafted a few spots after Max Sapp in 2006 and is doing pretty well.
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Pirates haul in Andy LaRoche, Bryan Morris, Damien Moss and Craig Hansen.
Every pedarist in Pittsburgh just logged off of Instant Messenger.
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3 of those 4 minor leaguers have been in the majors. The Pirates got a major league ready 3b, of, reliever, and a low-A starting pitcher who, by the way, was drafted a few spots after Max Sapp in 2006 and is doing pretty well.
That is a lot for the Dodgers to give up for two months of Manny. Wow. Must be nice to have a stacked system.
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That is a lot for the Dodgers to give up for two months of Manny. Wow. Must be nice to have a stacked system.
The Dodgers only gave up the first two; the other two were Red Sox.
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The Dodgers only gave up the first two; the other two were Red Sox.
Right. The Pirates got all 4 for Bay. The Dodgers only lost LaRoche and the low-A pitcher.
Oh and it's Brandon Moss not Damien Moss.
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Right. The Pirates got all 4 for Bay. The Dodgers only lost LaRoche and the low-A pitcher.
Oh and it's Brandon Moss not Damien Moss.
Ah, right. You people and your reading comprehension skills.
So LaRoche, a guy they had no room (or inclination) to give a starting job to, a low-A pitcher and the Red Sox are on the hook to pay Manny's salary. Pretty shrewd indeed.
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Was Bay almost a free agent? From the Pirate's perspective, it could turn out to be a lot of nothing for Bay.
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After next season. And setting aside that any package of prospects could bust, this seems like a pretty fair return.
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Was Bay almost a free agent? From the Pirate's perspective, it could turn out to be a lot of nothing for Bay.
Bay's a FA after the 09 season. They gave up ~1 1/2 years of Bay for 4 inexperienced players.
The Red Sox gave up Manny and 2 inexperienced players for Bay *and money for Manny's salary.
The Dodgers gave up 2 inexperienced players for ~1/2 a season of Manny.
*Because Budgirl is so damn picky.
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Wow, the plot thickens.
The deadline deals page (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/25953372/site/21683474/?pg=7#spts_DeadlineDeals) on MSNBC brings back some good memories, too...
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After next season. And setting aside that any package of prospects could bust, this seems like a pretty fair return.
Yea, it might turn out good, but if I am giving away a somewhat high level guy, which Bay is imo, I would at least like a higher upside to go with my uncertainty. Both Moss and LaRoche could be solid, but they seem like guys whose development stalled a bit as they reached the higher levels.
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Yea, it might turn out good, but if I am giving away a somewhat high level guy, which Bay is imo, I would at least like a higher upside to go with my uncertainty. Both Moss and LaRoche could be solid, but they seem like guys whose development stalled a bit as they reached the higher levels.
quick, call the Pirates! they need to know this!
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Bay's a FA after the 09 season. They gave up ~1 1/2 years of Bay for 4 inexperienced players.
The Red Sox gave up Manny and 2 inexperienced players for Bay.
The Dodgers gave up 2 inexperienced players for ~1/2 a season of Manny.
You did not mention that the Red Sox also gave up $$$$ for Manny, or is that incorrect?
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You did not mention that the Red Sox also gave up $$$$ for Manny, or is that incorrect?
Edited.
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quick, call the Pirates! they need to know this!
Well, they do seem like they just keep churning their roster just enough to stay in the cellar. They finally have a lineup that can score well and they start to dismantle.
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thank christ bay is out of the central
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Well, they do seem like they just keep churning their roster just enough to stay in the cellar. They finally have a lineup that can score well and they start to dismantle.
Well, if more than 120 people showed up for a game every once and awhile, I'm guessing they'd be able to keep Bay and others around.
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Well, they do seem like they just keep churning their roster just enough to stay in the cellar. They finally have a lineup that can score well and they start to dismantle.
Just a couple of years ago the Pirates pitching was actually quite good. It's gone south while the offense has come together. Young teams are very unpredictable.
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Well, if more than 120 people showed up for a game every once and awhile, I'm guessing they'd be able to keep Bay and others around.
It is a chicken-egg thing. It is not hard to argue that they have no committment to ever build and maintain a good team and the fans respond in kind. Shit, most teams keep the good guys to build around them, not dump them for a bunch of question marks. Is McLouth next?
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Well, if more than 120 people showed up for a game every once and awhile, I'm guessing they'd be able to keep Bay and others around.
Hey, the Pirates will sometimes pay to keep young talent, just ask Cam. What about the big contracts for Pat Meares and Kevin Young?
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It is a chicken-egg thing. It is not hard to argue that they have no committment to ever build and maintain a good team and the fans respond in kind. Shit, most teams keep the good guys to build around them, not dump them for a bunch of question marks. Is McLouth next?
Was the new stadium in Pittsburgh built with the intention to have the player's family be the only ones to show up?
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I can't wait to see how Manny and Kent get along.
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I can't wait to see how Manny and Kent get along.
“I think people for some reason think he’s lazy and a bad teammate and that he doesn’t care,” Lowe said.
"No shit," Limey said.
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"I think people for some reason think the earth is round," Lowe said.
(Carl Everett could not be reached to respond.)