Jason Lane

[JGrave]

I heard on 610 this morning that he went 6 for 40 at winter ball with 12 Ks and no extra base hits.  He played only the corner outfield positions.  Just an FYI.

[Greg D]

Wow, breaking news!!!!

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OF Jason Lane: went 0-3 in the next to last game but did not play in the final game. Finished the regular season with a batting average of just .143 (6-42). Had twice as many strikeouts (12) as base hits (6). Had only 2 RBIs and just one extra-base hit. His 15 games consisted of 3 games at DH and 12 games in the corner OF spots (nada in CF).

MNDR

[Jacksonian]

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Wow, breaking news!!!!

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OF Jason Lane: went 0-3 in the next to last game but did not play in the final game. Finished the regular season with a batting average of just .143 (6-42). Had twice as many strikeouts (12) as base hits (6). Had only 2 RBIs and just one extra-base hit. His 15 games consisted of 3 games at DH and 12 games in the corner OF spots (nada in CF).

MNDR

Wouldn't surprise me a bit if 610 got it's stats from MNDR.

[Limey]

At this point, my starting outfield is Berkman, Burke and Lee.  Clank mans 1st.  Lane shouldn't even be making the big club out of ST as things stand currently.  He's unsafe at any speed.

[loganck]

Why not Lee, Burke and Scott with Lamb on the bench?

[Taras Bulba]

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At this point, my starting outfield is Berkman, Burke and Lee.  Clank mans 1st.  Lane shouldn't even be making the big club out of ST as things stand currently.  He's unsafe at any speed.

Berkman is playing first unless Carlos pulls up with the gout.

[pravata]

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At this point, my starting outfield is Berkman, Burke and Lee.  Clank mans 1st.  Lane shouldn't even be making the big club out of ST as things stand currently.  He's unsafe at any speed.

Berkman is playing first unless Carlos pulls up with the gout.

The other factor is that they're talking about Loretta playing some first as well.  Maybe that's just talk.

[Arky Vaughan]

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At this point, my starting outfield is Berkman, Burke and Lee.  Clank mans 1st.  Lane shouldn't even be making the big club out of ST as things stand currently.  He's unsafe at any speed.

And Scott?

[JGrave]

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Wow, breaking news!!!!

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OF Jason Lane: went 0-3 in the next to last game but did not play in the final game. Finished the regular season with a batting average of just .143 (6-42). Had twice as many strikeouts (12) as base hits (6). Had only 2 RBIs and just one extra-base hit. His 15 games consisted of 3 games at DH and 12 games in the corner OF spots (nada in CF).

MNDR

My fault.  I haven't been here much lately, heard this on the radio this morning and posted w/o reading.

[Limey]

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Why not Lee, Burke and Scott with Lamb on the bench?

If forgot about Scott.  Nothing to see here.  Please!  Nothing to see here!

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At this point, my starting outfield is Berkman, Burke and Lee.  Clank mans 1st.  Lane shouldn't even be making the big club out of ST as things stand currently.  He's unsafe at any speed.

Berkman is playing first unless Carlos pulls up with the gout.

The other factor is that they're talking about Loretta playing some first as well.  Maybe that's just talk.

At the expense of Scott? THE ASTROS HAVE NO CF's.
How much worse would Scott be than Burke in CF?

Biggio    2nd
Loretta   1st
Berkman   RF
Lee       LF
Ensberg   3rd
Scott     CF

[MusicMan]

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At this point, my starting outfield is Berkman, Burke and Lee.  Clank mans 1st.  Lane shouldn't even be making the big club out of ST as things stand currently.  He's unsafe at any speed.

Berkman is playing first unless Carlos pulls up with the gout.

The other factor is that they're talking about Loretta playing some first as well.  Maybe that's just talk.

At the expense of Scott? THE ASTROS HAVE NO CF's.
How much worse would Scott be than Burke in CF?

Biggio    2nd
Loretta   1st
Berkman   RF
Lee       LF
Ensberg   3rd
Scott     CF

You would make the pitchers walk out.  That would be, quite possibly, the worst defensive team ever put on a field.

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At this point, my starting outfield is Berkman, Burke and Lee.  Clank mans 1st.  Lane shouldn't even be making the big club out of ST as things stand currently.  He's unsafe at any speed.

Berkman is playing first unless Carlos pulls up with the gout.

The other factor is that they're talking about Loretta playing some first as well.  Maybe that's just talk.

At the expense of Scott? THE ASTROS HAVE NO CF's.
How much worse would Scott be than Burke in CF?

Biggio    2nd
Loretta   1st
Berkman   RF
Lee       LF
Ensberg   3rd
Scott     CF

You would make the pitchers walk out.  That would be, quite possibly, the worst defensive team ever put on a field.

It's not much better with Burke in Center. Just trying to get Loretta .OBP in the line up.

What is Finley making now-a-days?

[MusicMan]

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At this point, my starting outfield is Berkman, Burke and Lee.  Clank mans 1st.  Lane shouldn't even be making the big club out of ST as things stand currently.  He's unsafe at any speed.

Berkman is playing first unless Carlos pulls up with the gout.

The other factor is that they're talking about Loretta playing some first as well.  Maybe that's just talk.

At the expense of Scott? THE ASTROS HAVE NO CF's.
How much worse would Scott be than Burke in CF?

Biggio    2nd
Loretta   1st
Berkman   RF
Lee       LF
Ensberg   3rd
Scott     CF

You would make the pitchers walk out.  That would be, quite possibly, the worst defensive team ever put on a field.

It's not much better with Burke in Center. Just trying to get Loretta .OBP in the line up.

What is Finley making now-a-days?

Burke and Loretta had about the same OBP last year.

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At this point, my starting outfield is Berkman, Burke and Lee.  Clank mans 1st.  Lane shouldn't even be making the big club out of ST as things stand currently.  He's unsafe at any speed.

Berkman is playing first unless Carlos pulls up with the gout.

The other factor is that they're talking about Loretta playing some first as well.  Maybe that's just talk.

At the expense of Scott? THE ASTROS HAVE NO CF's.
How much worse would Scott be than Burke in CF?

Biggio    2nd
Loretta   1st
Berkman   RF
Lee       LF
Ensberg   3rd
Scott     CF

You would make the pitchers walk out.  That would be, quite possibly, the worst defensive team ever put on a field.

It's not much better with Burke in Center. Just trying to get Loretta .OBP in the line up.

What is Finley making now-a-days?

Burke and Loretta had about the same OBP last year.

Loretta doesn't have a shoulder that could pop out at any minute.

[MusicMan]

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Loretta doesn't have a shoulder that could pop out at any minute.

Surgically repaired immediately after the season.

[JimR]

a LOT worse

[pravata]

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Loretta doesn't have a shoulder that could pop out at any minute.

Surgically repaired immediately after the season.

Also, Burke would be a relatively better option than Scott in CF right up to the point where the shoulder does (if it does) pop out. They're going to go without him right up to that very second.

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Loretta doesn't have a shoulder that could pop out at any minute.

Surgically repaired immediately after the season.

Also, Burke would be a relatively better option than Scott in CF right up to the point where the shoulder does (if it does) pop out. They're going to go without him right up to that very second.

What do you guys know about Josh Anderson?

[Jacksonian]

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Loretta doesn't have a shoulder that could pop out at any minute.

Surgically repaired immediately after the season.

Also, Burke would be a relatively better option than Scott in CF right up to the point where the shoulder does (if it does) pop out. They're going to go without him right up to that very second.

What do you guys know about Josh Anderson?

You'll find out at the end of the month.

[geezerdonk]

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Amen. I don't see many games but I saw enough to see Scott misjudge several routine fly balls - the kind your average high school outfielder has no trouble with.

[pravata]

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Loretta doesn't have a shoulder that could pop out at any minute.

Surgically repaired immediately after the season.

Also, Burke would be a relatively better option than Scott in CF right up to the point where the shoulder does (if it does) pop out. They're going to go without him right up to that very second.

What do you guys know about Josh Anderson?

You'll find out at the end of the month.

Or, for an idea of what we have discussed, go to The Link where it says "Keyword search terms" type +josh +anderson

[VirtualBob]

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At the expense of Scott? THE ASTROS HAVE NO CF's.
How much worse would Scott be than Burke in CF?

Biggio    2nd
Loretta   1st
Berkman   RF
Lee       LF
Ensberg   3rd
Scott     CF

You would make the pitchers walk out.  That would be, quite possibly, the worst defensive team ever put on a field.

Only "improvement" along those lines would be to put Burke at SS.

[BUWebguy]

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At the expense of Scott? THE ASTROS HAVE NO CF's.
How much worse would Scott be than Burke in CF?

Biggio    2nd
Loretta   1st
Berkman   RF
Lee       LF
Ensberg   3rd
Scott     CF

You would make the pitchers walk out.  That would be, quite possibly, the worst defensive team ever put on a field.

Only "improvement" along those lines would be to put Burke at SS.

Well, that and talking Bagwell out of retirement to play third.

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At the expense of Scott? THE ASTROS HAVE NO CF's.
How much worse would Scott be than Burke in CF?

Biggio    2nd
Loretta   1st
Berkman   RF
Lee       LF
Ensberg   3rd
Scott     CF

You would make the pitchers walk out.  That would be, quite possibly, the worst defensive team ever put on a field.

Only "improvement" along those lines would be to put Burke at SS.

Are you comparing Burkes defense in Center to Everett's defense at SS?

[MusicMan]

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At the expense of Scott? THE ASTROS HAVE NO CF's.
How much worse would Scott be than Burke in CF?

Biggio    2nd
Loretta   1st
Berkman   RF
Lee       LF
Ensberg   3rd
Scott     CF

You would make the pitchers walk out.  That would be, quite possibly, the worst defensive team ever put on a field.

Only "improvement" along those lines would be to put Burke at SS.

Are you comparing Burkes defense in Center to Everett's defense at SS?

No, he's comparing Scott's "defense" in CF to Burke's at SS.

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At the expense of Scott? THE ASTROS HAVE NO CF's.
How much worse would Scott be than Burke in CF?

Biggio    2nd
Loretta   1st
Berkman   RF
Lee       LF
Ensberg   3rd
Scott     CF

You would make the pitchers walk out.  That would be, quite possibly, the worst defensive team ever put on a field.

Only "improvement" along those lines would be to put Burke at SS.

Are you comparing Burkes defense in Center to Everett's defense at SS?

No ... I'm comparing Burke's defense at short with Clank's defense anywhere.  In fact, using the words "burke" and "defense" in the same sentence is in itself suspect.

[mrpink]

 

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In fact, using the words "burke" and "defense" in the same sentence is in itself suspect.  

 

I read that in '04 he was rated the best defensive second baseman in the PCL.  I'm not questioning your judgement just wondering if you think it was because of a dearth of good 2nd sackers or if he just hasn't progressed like he should have.

[Arky Vaughan]

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Loretta   1st
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Ensberg   3rd
Scott     CF

You would make the pitchers walk out.  That would be, quite possibly, the worst defensive team ever put on a field.

Strong stuff there. I would think any defense with Everett at shortstop would not qualify as among the worst ever.

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In fact, using the words "burke" and "defense" in the same sentence is in itself suspect.  

 

I read that in '04 he was rated the best defensive second baseman in the PCL.  I'm not questioning your judgement just wondering if you think it was because of a dearth of good 2nd sackers or if he just hasn't progressed like he should have.

Well ... first of all I should apologize for succombing to the temptation of hyperbole.  I should at least have added a third term, "shortstop", to my statement.  That said, there have been a number of threads on this forum discussing Burke's defensive inadequacies.  I will respond to your direct question with my perspective, but I hope that those who wish to elborate will at least look through some of the previous posts to avoid replicating entire threads.

Burke at 2B ... He seems to me to have very poor footwork and usually looks very awkward.  If Biggio can still play defense there, though, so can Burke.  However, to justify regular PT at 2B he would have to continue to develop as a solid offensive threat.  That, too, has been discussed in depth in previous threads, but his performance last year at least offers some hope.

Burke in the OF ... His speed allows him to cover ground decently.  His arm is suspect (again, at least partly due to footwork) making him a poor choice for RF.  CF may be the best option and he would not be the first CFer to play through a below average arm.  Again, assuming his bat keeps him in the lineup at all, this probably is a good position for him.

Burke at SS ... Just say no.  His range is not particularly good and his rag-arm is totally exposed, both with respect to acuracy and strength.  Even if he gets to a ball in the hole, his throw may be off-line or late, and while turning the DP is less taxing on the SS than at 2B, he still suffers from foot confusion around the bag.

Burke at the plate ... This is the most controversial sub-topic, but it gets at one of the reasons he was highly rated in the PCL.  (And yes, I realize that you said 'defensively', but most of the prospect ratings do not really spend a lot of time on defense; the best-rated defensive player is often the second-best offensive player in cases where the best offensive player is not well-known for defense.  A lot of these writers should see more games and do less number crunching.)  But back to the point ... Historically Burke has had trouble driving the ball with consistency and has often looked overmatched when adjusting to a new level.  Even when his batting average has been high, a lot of the hits have been week liners to the right side.  I have not had much chance to watch him since he hit "the bigs", but it appears from a distance that he may have turned the corner somewhat last year.  If so, he could be a valuable offensive threat (either at #2 or maybe #6) and would justify his starter role in CF ... and maybe at 2B once Biggio retires.

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Ensberg   3rd
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You would make the pitchers walk out.  That would be, quite possibly, the worst defensive team ever put on a field.

Strong stuff there. I would think any defense with Everett at shortstop would not qualify as among the worst ever.

Unless Everett was crossed with Bugs Bunny, that defense would have incredible, historic-level deficiencies.

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 Burke at the plate ... This is the most controversial sub-topic, but it gets at one of the reasons he was highly rated in the PCL. (And yes, I realize that you said 'defensively', but most of the prospect ratings do not really spend a lot of time on defense; the best-rated defensive player is often the second-best offensive player in cases where the best offensive player is not well-known for defense. A lot of these writers should see more games and do less number crunching.)

That's pretty much what I was looking for.  I reckon if Jeter can win a gold glove and if Palmeiro can too after playing 34 games in the field I oughta take most defensive awards with a grain of salt.

I agree that CF may be the best place for him.  Yeah his arm sucks but before Taveras we haven't had a CFer with a pretty good arm all year since Hidalgo.

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 Burke at the plate ... This is the most controversial sub-topic, but it gets at one of the reasons he was highly rated in the PCL. (And yes, I realize that you said 'defensively', but most of the prospect ratings do not really spend a lot of time on defense; the best-rated defensive player is often the second-best offensive player in cases where the best offensive player is not well-known for defense. A lot of these writers should see more games and do less number crunching.)

That's pretty much what I was looking for.  I reckon if Jeter can win a gold glove and if Palmeiro can too after playing 34 games in the field I oughta take most defensive awards with a grain of salt.

I agree that CF may be the best place for him.  Yeah his arm sucks but before Taveras we haven't had a CFer with a pretty good arm all year since Hidalgo.

With Luke (I now know he is a pretty bad outfielder) and Lee flanking the CF'r, defense is now more important.

Biggio was pretty bad, but atleast he usually had Doggy and
an underated (defensively) Berkman at his sides.

My initial thought, since they are giving up D already to have Burke in CF and get Jennings why not go one step further and go with Loretta at 1st and Luke in CF. But I trust the guys who have seen Luke more than me, so Luke in
CF, bad idea.

I'd almost rather go with a good defensive CF'r and hope he can hit atleast .250. Finley came to mind, but he would probably want too much. Footer did say they might give Doggy a spring training invite, but he probably has lost too much foot spead to play CF.

[Arky Vaughan]

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Unless Everett was crossed with Bugs Bunny, that defense would have incredible, historic-level deficiencies.

You have to consider just how awful a defense has to be to rank among the worst of the thousands of defensive configurations that have been tried in baseball history. I would think every player would have to be badly out of place to make that happen.

But then I'm probably being too literal. That defense certainly would be nowhere near optimal.

[TheWizard]

Say hypothetically Doggie does well enough to make the squad, is he in shape to play CF?  I haven't watched him in a few years, can anyone fill me in?  Or would he strictly play RF?

[No? in Austin]

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Say hypothetically Doggie does well enough to make the squad, is he in shape to play CF?  I haven't watched him in a few years, can anyone fill me in?  Or would he strictly play RF?

Registered today, posted today?  Doesn't really matter, but just in case you haven't been a lurker here for an extended period of time, it helps to read a lot when you first sign up.  And then when you think you're ready to hop in, then take another two weeks before you do it!

Just trying to be friendly.

Any way, welcome aboard and here is hoping you have a thick skin about the answers to your questions because folks may try to have fun with you (hence why it is always good to read more, post less the first time around).  For what it's worth, Reeshard isn't a centerfielder any more because he has no more knees to play the position.  He had some sort of degenerative disease in both knees which meant he had to get both knees operated on.  Very little left in those knees to help him run enough and cut quickly to play centerfield.

Which leads us to another somewhat fallacy about Senor Hidalgo: he ate himself out of a job.  It's not true (and neither is steriods in case anyone believes that).  My understanding is that the knees prohibited him from working out properly (legs and upper body), so he just plain got bigger and bulkier.  He didn't work on agility nor leg strength, mostly upper body strength and he pretty much put his whole career in jeopardy because of it.  He lost bat speed, serious amounts of it, that he just couldn't compensate any more.

That it's taken him this long to get his legs back and lose his cabbose and midsection along with it, means he's using his legs more to exercise correctly.  But to stick him in centerfield now would be a set back for the young man.  Let him keep working his way back and don't ask him to place himself in jeopardy any more.

"Doggie"?

[TheWizard]

Yeah, I'm a n00b, but give me a break.. I didn't think my lack of 20,000 posts meant I couldn't ask a question regarding a player...    I'm a regular on a couple of other Astros boards, and just thought I'd finally register here since I've been lurking a while.

I just knew he did give us a few games in CF back in the day even though it wasn't his primary position.  Like I said....... I haven't seen him play in a few years because I'm not a big Rangers fan, so I don't know anything in regards to his range (or lack therof apparently).  

Just trying to be friendly.  

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Yeah, I'm a n00b, but give me a break.. I didn't think my lack of 20,000 posts meant I couldn't ask a question regarding a player...    I'm a regular on a couple of other Astros boards, and just thought I'd finally register here since I've been lurking a while.

I just knew he did give us a few games in CF back in the day even though it wasn't his primary position.  Like I said....... I haven't seen him play in a few years because I'm not a big Rangers fan, so I don't know anything in regards to his range (or lack therof apparently).  

Just trying to be friendly.  

He hasn't played in the majors in 16 months.  Sat out all of 2005. No idea if he could be anything but a corner outfielder. No idea if he can even do that anymore.

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Yeah, I'm a n00b, but give me a break.. I didn't think my lack of 20,000 posts meant I couldn't ask a question regarding a player...    I'm a regular on a couple of other Astros boards, and just thought I'd finally register here since I've been lurking a while.

I just knew he did give us a few games in CF back in the day even though it wasn't his primary position.  Like I said....... I haven't seen him play in a few years because I'm not a big Rangers fan, so I don't know anything in regards to his range (or lack therof apparently).  

Just trying to be friendly.  

He hasn't played in the majors in 16 months.  Sat out all of 2005. No idea if he could be anything but a corner outfielder. No idea if he can even do that anymore.

Well, if Hildalgo can get up off the couch and hit above .200, he'd be a big upgrade over Lane.  Reports are saying Hildalgo looks to be in better shape, but who knows how accurate that is?

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Did you look at the video links Noe posted?  He looks in great shape, better than he has in years.

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Yeah, I'm a n00b, but give me a break.. I didn't think my lack of 20,000 posts meant I couldn't ask a question regarding a player...  

Don't know what a nOOb might be, but I didn't say you couldn't ask a question regarding a player.  I said you may of wanted to give yourself more than a few minutes after registering to ask *IF* you were someone who hadn't read this place for an extended period of time.  I was telling you this because if you have read for an extended period of time, you'll know how to defend yourself if necessary.

Like having a thick skin and not getting defensive if someone asks you a question back.  That sort of thing.

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I'm a regular on a couple of other Astros boards, and just thought I'd finally register here since I've been lurking a while.

Internet forum experience isn't really what I was concerned about, it was more about wanting to know if you had read this forum enough to know that nothing is ever taken seriously when responses to your query isn't a direct response. If you've been a longtime lurker, then you'll understand what I said and why.

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I just knew he did give us a few games in CF back in the day even though it wasn't his primary position.

Reeshard played centerfield most of his minor league career and came up as a centerfielder to the majors.  Houston had Carl Everett in center when Reeshard came up, so they put him in right field because Moises Alou was in left field.  Before the 1999 season was over, they moved Everett to right and Hidalgo back to center because he was better than Everett.  An unfortunate run in with the left centerfield wall in Colorado ended that experiment for Hidalgo and also his season.  Everett went back to centerfield and a kid named Lance Berkman was called up to play left field (with Moises moved to right) and effectively lose his rookie status and miss out on ROY nomination the following year.  Berkman's first chance to make a good play in left field to help the Astros win a game actually backfired.. he doved to try and catch a Tony Womack line drive and turned it into an inside the park homerun.

Hidalgo moved back to centerfield in 2000 and then for part time in 2001.  He moved to right field full time in 2002, ironically enough with Lance Berkman in centerfield.

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Like I said....... I haven't seen him play in a few years because I'm not a big Rangers fan, so I don't know anything in regards to his range (or lack therof apparently).

Yeah, well he lost his range in 2001 with the gimpy knees, so he wasn't a full time centerfield option then, he won't be now.  If you have to use Lance Berkman as your centerfielder, then that tells you something about Hidalgo's ability to play in the vast expanse of the MMPUS.  

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Me too.

[Taras Bulba]

If Hidalgo does not make the big club out of spring training, I'm assuming he would accept an assignment to RR, verdad?  Regarding poor, pitiful Jason Lane, what happens with him when, sorry, if he replicates in Kissimmee his dismal performance in Venezuela?  I need to know these things, Noe.  I just sat through several hours of "Volver" and am trying desperately to regain that time.  One thing, though: Penelope Cruz has some bodacious ta-tas.  Vamanos!

[TheWizard]

 

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I was telling you this because if you have read for an extended period of time, you'll know how to defend yourself if necessary.

Like having a thick skin and not getting defensive if someone asks you a question back. That sort of thing.  

Wow, I think I know who the drama llama on this site is already... don't worry about whether I can defend myself, I'll handle it.  I'm not looking to pillage this village or ravage the women, just here to talk some baseball.. so nothing to fear here.  My skin is thick enough, but maybe you should take some of your own lessons about getting defensive..  

In all seriousness, thanks for your welcome to the forum.. happy to be on board.

 

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If Hidalgo does not make the big club out of spring training, I'm assuming he would accept an assignment to RR, verdad? Regarding poor, pitiful Jason Lane, what happens with him when, sorry, if he replicates in Kissimmee his dismal performance in Venezuela? I need to know these things, Noe. I just sat through several hours of "Volver" and am trying desperately to regain that time. One thing, though: Penelope Cruz has some bodacious ta-tas. Vamanos!  

I don't know how well he would do if he got sent down (Hildalgo), because in the past he is known as a guy who will sulk if he even has to ride the bench.  Considering he isn't exactly a proven MLB starter at this moment, he is going to have to fight for a job just as an auxiliary OF.  Hopefully he does well, because otherwise he may get down on himself,  compounding his problems.

[Alkie]

I honestly can't believe the team is still considering Jason Lane for a position in the organization between the lines.

How many "last chances" does this ape get?

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This isn't one of those "stop posting here, you troll" posts, but please...you gotta stop ing and I'll pay you to never say something like drama llama again.

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How many "last chances" does this ape get?

Two things to consider.  Last season, the Astros had the option to let Lane or Wilson go.  They pulled back Lane and Wilson led the Cardinals to the World Series.  The second thing is, does Peyton Manning have a bus to catch?

[Alkie]

Look, I don't even want to get back into the Lane/Wilson thing; I think I've said my peace on that.  What I don't get at this point is: they clearly stated that he was on his last chance.  We sent his ass to winter ball and he was, explain THIS to me, WORSE than he was last season!  

He may right the ship and become a HoF, and your grama may be a Martian fighter pilot, but I don't care to be a part of either anymore.

[pravata]

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Look, I don't even want to get back into the Lane/Wilson thing; I think I've said my peace on that.  What I don't get at this point is: they clearly stated that he was on his last chance.  We sent his ass to winter ball and he was, explain THIS to me, WORSE than he was last season!  

He may right the ship and become a HoF, and your grama may be a Martian fighter pilot, but I don't care to be a part of either anymore.

They've obviously got issues in right field.  Lane, Hidalgo, and Scott, who apparently they have no faith in, are all in the mix.  The Loretta signing fell into their lap but now there's speculation about 3rd with Ensberg in play for a trade?  Things are not as settled as some might think.

[JimR]

oh, fuck no. not another one of them. what is the over/under on how long this one will be here?

[No? in Austin]

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Wow, I think I know who the drama llama on this site is already...

Drama whaaa?  OMG, you're not ready for this... trust me.

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don't worry about whether I can defend myself, I'll handle it.  I'm not looking to pillage this village or ravage the women, just here to talk some baseball.. so nothing to fear here.

I was being nice and all.  But if you think this sort of give and take is going to happen for the majority of your stay here, well... handle away, my maign.

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My skin is thick enough, but maybe you should take some of your own lessons about getting defensive..  

Like I said, just trying to help someone who clearly registered and jumped in feet first without really getting a feel for the place.  It's really me trying to be a good admin and all, nothing more.  Defensive?  Hardly.

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In all seriousness, thanks for your welcome to the forum.. happy to be on board.

Hopefully you'll listen to another point of view or take to heart what someone is trying to help you with.  If you didn't do it with me, and I'm indeed a nobody, it's not going to go well for you from now on.  Usually... usually... forums are about give and take on opinions, not about pontification.  But then again, if you're good enough to pontificate, then thar she blows!

Just saying... Enjoy your stay.

[Alkie]

You're, like, so the drama momma.

[chuck]

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You're, like, so the drama momma.

If this were one of Limey's impenetrable cricket threads someone could possibly work in brahma and rama. After that I think we'd most likely be spent.

[Alkie]

Shows what you know.

,

That's the drama comma.

[TheWizard]

Ha, I just think its funny that you guys think that this place is so hardcore that no new person could possibly handle it.  Every message board on the internet is full of wise cracks and smart asses, particularly to new posters.. its nothing new.  As a matter of fact, this place is pretty tame so far, making fun of smileys and whatever it is those peeps are talking about.  I don't care if I take a couple shots as long as others don't care if I dish them out too.

Again, glad to be on board..

[BudGirl]

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Ha, I just think its funny that you guys think that this place is so hardcore that no new person could possibly handle it.  Every message board on the internet is full of wise cracks and smart asses, particularly to new posters.. its nothing new.  As a matter of fact, this place is pretty tame so far, making fun of smileys and whatever it is those peeps are talking about.  I don't care if I take a couple shots as long as others don't care if I dish them out too.

Again, glad to be on board..

It's calm because the Void is upon us right now.

Give it a little more than a month and things might be a bit different.

[chuck]

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Shows what you know.

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That's the drama comma.

Fuck!

[Jacksonian]

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Ha, I just think its funny that you guys think that this place is so hardcore that no new person could possibly handle it.  Every message board on the internet is full of wise cracks and smart asses, particularly to new posters.. its nothing new.  As a matter of fact, this place is pretty tame so far, making fun of smileys and whatever it is those peeps are talking about.  I don't care if I take a couple shots as long as others don't care if I dish them out too.

Again, glad to be on board..

It's calm because the Void is upon us right now.

Give it a little more than a month and things might be a bit different.

I disagree. It's the weekend.  Weekdays are *much* more lively.

[Jacksonian]

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Ha, I just think its funny that you guys think that this place is so hardcore that no new person could possibly handle it.  Every message board on the internet is full of wise cracks and smart asses, particularly to new posters.. its nothing new.  As a matter of fact, this place is pretty tame so far, making fun of smileys and whatever it is those peeps are talking about.  I don't care if I take a couple shots as long as others don't care if I dish them out too.

Again, glad to be on board..

Noe is being the perfect custodian and all you can do is shit on him.  You think he offers you advise without a long history of dealing with new posters?  If you'd have read more before posting you'd have found that nearly every new poster who comes here without already having a very thick skins runs from here whining that we're all so mean.  So, yes, historically speaking we can call OWA "so hardcore that no new person could possibly handle it."  At least no one without a thick skin.

The appropriate response to Noe initially would have been "I believe I have a thick skin.  I'll be sure to read plenty and be able to back up my assertions.  Thanks for the heads up."  I certainly hope you do have a thick skin and well thought out opinions.  We can always use, and welcome, more of those kind of people.

[JaneDoe]

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It's calm because the Void is upon us right now.

Give it a little more than a month and things might be a bit different.

I disagree. It's the weekend.  Weekdays are *much* more lively.

Not just a weekend.  A Void weekend. Extremely calm.

[Andyzipp]

YOu're right.  I'm a bit of a nervous nellie myself, and sometimes I eat a little too much, and I feel like a chunky monkey.  When I get that not so fresh feeling,amd you'll know, I hope you don't accuse me of having twat rot.

Anyway, I was wondering, in your opinion, what's the best way to evaluate major league baseball players?  I'm always curious.

[JimR]

look around and try to remember as much as you can. you will not be here long.

[TheWizard]

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Ha, I just think its funny that you guys think that this place is so hardcore that no new person could possibly handle it.  Every message board on the internet is full of wise cracks and smart asses, particularly to new posters.. its nothing new.  As a matter of fact, this place is pretty tame so far, making fun of smileys and whatever it is those peeps are talking about.  I don't care if I take a couple shots as long as others don't care if I dish them out too.

Again, glad to be on board..

Noe is being the perfect custodian and all you can do is shit on him.  You think he offers you advise without a long history of dealing with new posters?  If you'd have read more before posting you'd have found that nearly every new poster who comes here without already having a very thick skins runs from here whining that we're all so mean.  So, yes, historically speaking we can call OWA "so hardcore that no new person could possibly handle it."  At least no one without a thick skin.

The appropriate response to Noe initially would have been "I believe I have a thick skin.  I'll be sure to read plenty and be able to back up my assertions.  Thanks for the heads up."  I certainly hope you do have a thick skin and well thought out opinions.  We can always use, and welcome, more of those kind of people.

Right on.  I'll go ahead and fall in line now, because I'm sure others are tired of clicking on the Jason Lane thread and seeing this go on and on...

[JimR]

or, you can just go back to wherever you came from. you will be banned soon.

[Limey]

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Right on.  I'll go ahead and fall in line now, because I'm sure others are tired of clicking on the Jason Lane thread and seeing this go on and on...

Actually, watching a pompous prick trying to suck his own cock in someone else's living room is a great way to pass the offseason.

[schlumburger04]

 Exit stage left... and eat shit troll!

[Spack McGrimm]

That reminded me, I was supposed to ban you over the holiday.  Kids, what are you going to do?

[Taras Bulba]

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this isnt like any other message board. its kind of like the jim rome show

you gotta suck their collective dicks when you join or theyll piss on you, you gotta act and think like them or theyll piss on you, and they dont know much about sports

but they like the astros so theyre good people

The above is evidence that mixing one's own urine with peach brandy is never a good idea.  Especially for 14 year olds.