Huff an Oriole?

[Taras Bulba]

The Link reports Huff has an offer--3yrs at $6mm per.

[pravata]

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The Link reports Huff has an offer--3yrs at $6mm per.

"...free-agent utilityman Aubrey Huff..." that says something.

[Taras Bulba]

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The Link reports Huff has an offer--3yrs at $6mm per.

"...free-agent utilityman Aubrey Huff..." that says something.

Yes.  Everything I read suggests teams are looking at him at seemingly everything BUT third base.

[Fredia]

so that means morgan "deer in the headlight" is going to spend another year there for the astros.. speaking of deer you cant go out the door here at my daughters place without stepping on one. there is an oak tree that is just now shedding its acorns and the war between the squireel and deer rage on. in louisian this would not even be written about they would already be on the hood of some hunters truck being driven around like a trophy.

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The Link reports Huff has an offer--3yrs at $6mm per.

"...free-agent utilityman Aubrey Huff..." that says something.

Yes.  Everything I read suggests teams are looking at him at seemingly everything BUT third base.

Huff's a better third baseman than he is a right fielder. Huff is a horrendous outfielder.

[Arky Vaughan]

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[jaklewein]

While I'll admit that I'm a bit skeptical about a return to form for Ensberg, I must say that I applaud Pupura's apparent philosophy of sticking with our home grown talent.  I've seen more than a few quotes from players over the years stating that working/playing for this organization (minors on up) is like being a part of a family.

Is it a coincidence that most of the Astros top homers (i.e. Bags, Bidge, Berkman, and now Oswalt) have chosen to stay the course with this team over the years?  I think not.  I can only hope the trend continues in the future.  And Todd, not trying to pile on here, but if you're out there...this is just one more reason (and a big one me thinks) why the Astros signed Biggio for another year.  Playing for the Astros is about more than a player's performance in any given year.  I could further define that statement, but I'm pretty sure most of the posters here can read between the lines.  I'm proud to root for a franchise that handles its business in such a manner.  Anyhow, here's to Ensberg making Pup and Drayton look like geniuses in '07.

[Taras Bulba]

A lot of "reading between the lines" regarding Huff and Ensberg is about the dollars.

[ValpoCory]

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I must say that I applaud Pupura's apparent philosophy of sticking with our home grown talent.

So that should tell you something about how highly he regards Jason Jennings.

[JimR]

no, he is not.

[Mike]

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[CJM]

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Fox is reporting..

He wasn't saying Huff isn't a Oriole, he replied to stubby's post in this thread.

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Fox is reporting..

He wasn't saying Huff isn't a Oriole, he replied to stubby's post in this thread.

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"Huff is a horrendous outfielder."

Horrendous is a tad on the hyperbolic side to make a point.

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Fox is reporting..

He wasn't saying Huff isn't a Oriole, he replied to stubby's post in this thread.

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"Huff is a horrendous outfielder."

Horrendous is a tad on the hyperbolic side to make a point.

Maybe. Distinctly below average might be better.

[No? in Austin]

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Fox is reporting..

He wasn't saying Huff isn't a Oriole, he replied to stubby's post in this thread.

Specifically:

"Huff is a horrendous outfielder."

Horrendous is a tad on the hyperbolic side to make a point.

Maybe. Distinctly below average might be better.

Yeah, I'm not going to quibble about the prowess of Huff in the outfield.  But he held his own and was not out of place out there any more than Lance Berkman or Eric Bruntlett on the Astros.  Now if you were talking Mike Lamb in right or even left field... THEN...

Oh yeah, Craig Biggio in left and center made me cry sometimes too.

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Fox is reporting..

He wasn't saying Huff isn't a Oriole, he replied to stubby's post in this thread.

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"Huff is a horrendous outfielder."

Horrendous is a tad on the hyperbolic side to make a point.

Was that the "specific"?  Or was he objecting to the bit about Huff being better at third than in the outfield?  I was going to ask at the time, and since this has drawn out as long as it has, perhaps Jim would chime in and clarify for himself?

[JimR]

if Huff is a below average OFer, then so is Berkman. both will catch what they can get to, but that is about all. neither is horrible or well below average.

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That would be a first.

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That would be a first.

Nice.

[toddthebod]

I always thought that Berkman was a good left-fielder and played the wall in MMP extremely well.  I do not like him in right as much.

[Mr. Happy]

He signed and will play left field.

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He wasn't saying Huff isn't a Oriole, he replied to stubby's post in this thread.

Sounded it like he was in denial, I'd appologize to Jim R. but he would probably just repost post 95724. It's amazing Jim Rh is a moderator in here the way he curses as preople.

[No? in Austin]

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Sounded it like he was in denial, I'd appologize to Jim R. but he would probably just repost post 95724. It's amazing Jim Rh is a moderator in here the way he curses as preople.

This will not bode well.  Please use the ignore feature from now to save yourself and all of us the fallout.

This is a little more than just a request at this time.

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Sounded it like he was in denial, I'd appologize to Jim R. but he would probably just repost post 95724. It's amazing Jim Rh is a moderator in here the way he curses as preople.

This will not bode well.  Please use the ignore feature from now to save yourself and all of us the fallout.

This is a little more than just a request at this time.

Excuse me? I didn't curse, I didn't call anyone a name, I just stated documented facts.

[No? in Austin]

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Sounded it like he was in denial, I'd appologize to Jim R. but he would probably just repost post 95724. It's amazing Jim Rh is a moderator in here the way he curses as preople.

This will not bode well.  Please use the ignore feature from now to save yourself and all of us the fallout.

This is a little more than just a request at this time.

Excuse me? I didn't curse, I didn't call anyone a name, I just stated documented facts.

I'll say it again, this is not a request.  And if you curse or not is not the issue.  Trolling, however, is.

[MusicMan]

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Sounded it like he was in denial, I'd appologize to Jim R. but he would probably just repost post 95724. It's amazing Jim Rh is a moderator in here the way he curses as preople.

This will not bode well.  Please use the ignore feature from now to save yourself and all of us the fallout.

This is a little more than just a request at this time.

Excuse me? I didn't curse, I didn't call anyone a name, I just stated documented facts.

You have a strange definition of "facts".

"Sounded like he was in denial" is an opinion.
"He would probably" cannot start anything BUT an opinion.
"It's amazing"... ditto.

Noe is being polite, but you need to heed his message of the ignore function.  It's there for a reason.

[JimR]

Mike or Hunter or whatever the hell your name is, WFW to you.

[JaneDoe]

Mikey: Please read: Manifesto, Forum Guidelines, and Board FAQ

The Rules

The TZ is an open forum for Zone-dwellers to discuss the Astros and baseball in general. Posting in the TZ is a privilege offered by OWA, not a sacred right. The following posting standards should be observed:


Spamming/Solicitation. The TZ is not a bazaar for selling Viagra, mortgages or your crappy sports Web site. If you want to unload an extra ticket for a game, fine. But the TZ is not a general forum for solicitation.

Harassment. The TZ is a rough-and-tumble world, but personal attacks and stalking will not be tolerated. This includes attempts to provoke and taunt other posters, or "ankle-biting."

Threats. Serious threats of any kind -- such as threats of physical violence or threats to release personal information -- are grounds for expulsion from the TZ.

Vulgarity and Profanity. The TZ is not a place for kids, and most content will be tolerated within reason. Posts that cross the line, in the sole discretion of OWA, may be deleted.

Flaming. The TZ has a long tradition of tolerating fans of other teams seeking intelligent baseball discussion. Trolls simply seeking to pick fights or antagonize other posters should expect to get run.

Copyright Infringement. Posting copyrighted material on the TZ is illegal, and such posts will be removed or edited. Quoting brief passages and posting links are acceptable.

Subject Matter. While non-baseball conversations will be tolerated to an extent, repeated use of the TZ to discuss non-baseball matters will be regulated.

[No? in Austin]

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Mike or Hunter or whatever the hell your name is, WFW to you.

This is now officially on PM, so no need to continue with this on the TZ.  I don't want to close yet another thread, I hate doing that.  And Lord help us all if I have to write yet another tome about the wonders of the ignore feature that the OWA bought and paid for all of you to use to avoid having to whine all over the board about the meanies that exist in this forum.

Hell, there many TZers who can't stand me and I rarely curse at anybody.  THAT IS WHAT THE IGNORE FEATURE IS ALL ABOUT!

Use it.

End of story, no discussion will be had nor heard if you want to complain in the TZ about some other poster being your least favorite.  It is totally unecessary.  Ask the many who use the ignore feature how wonderful it works for those who have had run-ins with others (and not just Jim R, who isn't the issue at this point... the issue the lack of usage of the ignore feature at this point).

If complaints continue on the TZ, they will be considered ankle-biting or trolling and you don't want that.

[pravata]

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Mikey: Please read: Manifesto, Forum Guidelines, and Board FAQ

The Rules

The TZ is an open forum for Zone-dwellers to discuss the Astros and baseball in general. Posting in the TZ is a privilege offered by OWA, not a sacred right. The following posting standards should be observed:


Spamming/Solicitation. The TZ is not a bazaar for selling Viagra, mortgages or your crappy sports Web site. If you want to unload an extra ticket for a game, fine. But the TZ is not a general forum for solicitation.

Harassment. The TZ is a rough-and-tumble world, but personal attacks and stalking will not be tolerated. This includes attempts to provoke and taunt other posters, or "ankle-biting."

Threats. Serious threats of any kind -- such as threats of physical violence or threats to release personal information -- are grounds for expulsion from the TZ.

Vulgarity and Profanity. The TZ is not a place for kids, and most content will be tolerated within reason. Posts that cross the line, in the sole discretion of OWA, may be deleted.

Flaming. The TZ has a long tradition of tolerating fans of other teams seeking intelligent baseball discussion. Trolls simply seeking to pick fights or antagonize other posters should expect to get run.

Copyright Infringement. Posting copyrighted material on the TZ is illegal, and such posts will be removed or edited. Quoting brief passages and posting links are acceptable.

Subject Matter. While non-baseball conversations will be tolerated to an extent, repeated use of the TZ to discuss non-baseball matters will be regulated.

Also, please notice the huge ass "NO WHINING" sign in neon blinking letters right on the entrance.  It's Rule 1 of the OWA TZ...wha?  Damn thing, somebody jiggle the cord....bzzzttt  NO WHINING There, that's better.

[BudGirl]

Same shit, new year.

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The TZ is an open forum for Zone-dwellers to discuss the Astros and baseball in general. Posting in the TZ is a privilege offered by OWA, not a sacred right. The following posting standards should be observed:


Spamming/Solicitation. The TZ is not a bazaar for selling Viagra, mortgages or your crappy sports Web site. If you want to unload an extra ticket for a game, fine. But the TZ is not a general forum for solicitation.

Harassment. The TZ is a rough-and-tumble world, but personal attacks and stalking will not be tolerated. This includes attempts to provoke and taunt other posters, or "ankle-biting."

Threats. Serious threats of any kind -- such as threats of physical violence or threats to release personal information -- are grounds for expulsion from the TZ.

Vulgarity and Profanity. The TZ is not a place for kids, and most content will be tolerated within reason. Posts that cross the line, in the sole discretion of OWA, may be deleted.

Flaming. The TZ has a long tradition of tolerating fans of other teams seeking intelligent baseball discussion. Trolls simply seeking to pick fights or antagonize other posters should expect to get run.

Copyright Infringement. Posting copyrighted material on the TZ is illegal, and such posts will be removed or edited. Quoting brief passages and posting links are acceptable.

Subject Matter. While non-baseball conversations will be tolerated to an extent, repeated use of the TZ to discuss non-baseball matters will be regulated.

Also, please notice the huge ass "NO WHINING" sign in neon blinking letters right on the entrance.  It's Rule 1 of the OWA TZ...wha?  Damn thing, somebody jiggle the cord....bzzzttt  NO WHINING There, that's better.

My response was a follow up to a quote in the post I mentioned where Jim R. broke two of the rules the Harassment- the post he said was a personal attack and vulgarity and profanity. I went to the administrator with this. His response was I could ignore him. So that is it.

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Yes, it is.  No more of this on the TZ, we have baseball to talk about! (*Phew* can we officially say the Void is over?)

[Mike]

And I think if Clemens signs with someone else or retires that means the Astros have lost all there free agents.

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Craig Biggio.

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Craig Biggio.

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Craig Biggio.

Biggio is a free agent? According to FOX sports he isn't listed as one and he is listed on the Astros roster. Either way I'm sure he will be with Astros next year being 70 hits away from 3,000

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Craig Biggio.

Biggio is a free agent? According to FOX sports he isn't listed as one and he is listed on the Astros roster. Either way I'm sure he will be with Astros next year being 70 hits away from 3,000

No, he's signed to avoid losing him to free agency.  I was merely pointing out that the fact in your statement was flawed.  However, I understand the spirit of your statement and my response would be this: that is what free agency is all about... freedom to choose on the player's part.

You are not allowed to put a gun to the head of a free agent and force them to sign with you.  It's against the CBA... ahum... I think.

Throwing obscene money at them would be akin to putting a gun to your own head as well.

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Not any more, he signed.

[Mike]

I guess Fox isn't that reliable as far as who was a free agent, they only had Bagwell, Clemens, Huff, Pettitt and Springer as the Astros free agents. Is there a better site for checking that stuff? I will say it is kind of nice to be able to see what teams the F/A sign with and how much.

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Ahum, those are players who *filed* for free agency.  So technically speaking, they are the official free agents in paper, but Biggio was a free agent to be but was signed prior to the filing date.

[JimR]

WFW

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Ahum, those are players who *filed* for free agency.  So technically speaking, they are the official free agents in paper, but Biggio was a free agent to be but was signed prior to the filing date.

That's what I thought when you posted your response but then the second player was named.

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That's what I thought when you posted your response but then the second player was named.

You do understand that all players become free agents when they are no longer under contract with a team the minute after the last World Series pitch is thrown.  However, all those players are under exclusive negotiation rights with their former team and cannot file for league wide negotiation rights until that term is over.  That is when the player has unrestricted rights to negotiate with any team they wish for.  And that is when most media will select the names of filers and deemed them free agents.  Those free agents are then put on tracking databases for most media outlets like ESPN or FoxSports (as you mentioned).

However, the point remains that Craig Biggio was a free agent, but he signed during the exclusive negotiation period so he never had a need to file.

Now, let me ask you (be honest): are you trying to indict the Houston Astros with your remark about the free agents?  If you are, just come out and say what you mean clearly.  Do you think Tim Purpura sucks?  Drayton McLane is a penny-pincher?  Tal Smith smells funny?  All of the above?

[S.P. Rodriguez]

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I guess Fox isn't that reliable as far as who was a free agent, they only had Bagwell, Clemens, Huff, Pettitt and Springer as the Astros free agents. Is there a better site for checking that stuff? I will say it is kind of nice to be able to see what teams the F/A sign with and how much.

I found  this  useful.

[Mike]

Now, let me ask you (be honest): are you trying to indict the Houston Astros with your remark about the free agents?  If you are, just come out and say what you mean clearly.  Do you think Tim Purpura sucks?  Drayton McLane is a penny-pincher?  Tal Smith smells funny?  All of the above?



Honestly, just steering it back to baseball..It is interesting that they all same to be going else where. In my opinion I was a little disappointed in Huff. The tade worked out best for Zobrist so far, he went from AA, to a short stop at AAA and then played 52 games for the D-Rays(starting most of them!) I don't think Purpura sucks, I disagree the way he handled Hunter's arrest, I think he has a done a good job filling holes, he sames to make good moves mid-season for the last to years the Astros have rallied to get in the hunt, I think the Astros will need to be better than 82-80 to be in the chase year in and year out. Drayton Mclane probably has budget to work within like most business people and owners. He did pay alot for Carlos
Lee. As far as Tal Smith smelling funny, I really don't know..

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Now, let me ask you (be honest): are you trying to indict the Houston Astros with your remark about the free agents?  If you are, just come out and say what you mean clearly.  Do you think Tim Purpura sucks?  Drayton McLane is a penny-pincher?  Tal Smith smells funny?  All of the above?

Honestly, just steering it back to baseball..It is interesting that they all same to be going else where. In my opinion I was a little disappointed in Huff. The tade worked out best for Zobrist so far, he went from AA, to a short stop at AAA and then played 52 games for the D-Rays(starting most of them!) I don't think Purpura sucks, I disagree the way he handled Hunter's arrest, I think he has a done a good job filling holes, he sames to make good moves mid-season for the last to years the Astros have rallied to get in the hunt, I think the Astros will need to be better than 82-80 to be in the chase year in and year out. Drayton Mclane probably has budget to work within like most business people and owners. He did pay alot for Carlos
Lee. As far as Tal Smith smelling funny, I really don't know..

The question you might want to consider is, if the Astros have the money (as demonstrated by Lee's signing), why aren't they trying to keep those players around?  

I like Huff, and still think he was a better bet to solidify offense more than any player they chose to keep.  However, I also recognize that if they had signed Huff, they would have to dump Ensberg or Scott to give him regular PT.  He was looking to start, not play part time.  

Pettitte - They tried, but I would be the last person to complain about McLane and Purpura thinking a 2 yr 36million dollar contract for Pettitte being a bad idea.  And I liked Pettitte as an Astro too.  

Springer - The team's needs no longer aligned with his ability.  He can't go do back to back days or multiple innings.  St. Louis, despite winning the World Series, needed more 1 inning guys with experience.  

Bagwell - That one speaks for itself, Personal Service association with Houston.

And last but not least, Clemens - That's still up in the air and by all indications, he's going to make this a real-life drama.  I hope he pitches for Houston, because I like the rotation of Oswalt, Clemens, Jennings, and Williams.  But as someone else said, you can't hold a gun to his head.  Keep in mind, McLane paid him 13million for 4 months, equal to 22 million for the entire year.  If the Yankees throw out even more money on top of 22mil/yr, I don't see how that reflects on Purpura or McLane.

edited to change "Won the Bullpen" to "Won the World Series"

[Taras Bulba]

Trading a guy (Zobrist) who was never going to see the light of day as an Astro, in order to rent Huff was a helluva deal-- even with Huff somewhat underperfoming.

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In my opinion I was a little disappointed in Huff. The tade worked out best for Zobrist so far, he went from AA, to a short stop at AAA and then played 52 games for the D-Rays(starting most of them!)

You're pining for Ben Zobrist?  At best, he is a mid-level prospect if that.  Brooks Conrad is a better prospect than Zobrist.  Much better and Brooks has a hard enough time cracking the lineup.  Be that as it may, the deal that sent Zobrist away is not a deal that should be seen as a drawback.  The Rays can use Ben moreso than the Astros.  So they had a match.  No bid deal.

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I don't think Purpura sucks, I disagree the way he handled Hunter's arrest, I think he has a done a good job filling holes, he sames to make good moves mid-season for the last to years the Astros have rallied to get in the hunt, I think the Astros will need to be better than 82-80 to be in the chase year in and year out.

Whoa, that is a lot to keep up with and I like the way you slip in Pence once again, after you were told enough was enough.  Obsessive perhaps?

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He didn't pay a ton for a Gary Matthew Jr. but everything is relative.  Better it be Lee than GMJ in that scheme.

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Neither do I, but most fans think they know everything.  Just checking.

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He didn't pay a ton for a Gary Matthew Jr. but everything is relative.  Better it be Lee than GMJ in that scheme.

Carlos Lee is underrated in my opinion.   Now that doesn't mean he is a franchise talent like Berkman, he's not.   But people forget how athletic the guy is.    He steals 15-20 bases a year for a man of his size. Yet people act like 2 years from now he will look like eddie murphy in the nutty professor.  It makes no sense.  Some people are just husky, believe it or not, sportswriters of america.   It reminds of Billy Beane talking about catcher jeremy brown in moneyball.   I don't care how he looks in a pair of jeans(talking about his weight issues in college).

However, and this is a rare trait.  He hits both RHP/LHP well.    For a non franchise type hitter that is a special trait.   It saves you from having to platoon him.

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In my opinion I was a little disappointed in Huff. The tade worked out best for Zobrist so far, he went from AA, to a short stop at AAA and then played 52 games for the D-Rays(starting most of them!)

You're pining for Ben Zobrist?  At best, he is a mid-level prospect if that.  Brooks Conrad is a better prospect than Zobrist.  Much better and Brooks has a hard enough time cracking the lineup.  Be that as it may, the deal that sent Zobrist away is not a deal that should be seen as a drawback.  The Rays can use Ben moreso than the Astros.  So they had a match.  No bid deal.

And, Purpura was just fine including Zobrist in the deal.  It was Talbot Purp wanted to keep and for good reason.

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In my opinion I was a little disappointed in Huff. The tade worked out best for Zobrist so far, he went from AA, to a short stop at AAA and then played 52 games for the D-Rays(starting most of them!)

You're pining for Ben Zobrist?  At best, he is a mid-level prospect if that.  Brooks Conrad is a better prospect than Zobrist.  Much better and Brooks has a hard enough time cracking the lineup.  Be that as it may, the deal that sent Zobrist away is not a deal that should be seen as a drawback.  The Rays can use Ben moreso than the Astros.  So they had a match.  No bid deal.

And, Purpura was just fine including Zobrist in the deal.  It was Talbot Purp wanted to keep and for good reason.

Yup, a case of giving something up to get something back.

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Honestly, just steering it back to baseball..It is interesting that they all same to be going else where.

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In my opinion I was a little disappointed in Huff. The tade worked out best for Zobrist so far, he went from AA, to a short stop at AAA and then played 52 games for the D-Rays(starting most of them!)

You're pining for Ben Zobrist?  At best, he is a mid-level prospect if that.  Brooks Conrad is a better prospect than Zobrist.  Much better and Brooks has a hard enough time cracking the lineup.  Be that as it may, the deal that sent Zobrist away is not a deal that should be seen as a drawback.  The Rays can use Ben moreso than the Astros.  So they had a match.  No bid deal.

I'm not pinning for Zobrist, I think he is a great guy. MILB.com had him ranked pretty high as a prospect. He was hitting really well in CC, and moved really fast thru Durham. But really there was no place for him on the Astros, nor do I think he would have helped the Astros as much as Huff did down the stretch. Ben only hit .225. But right now he is slated to be the D-Rays starter this season coming up. I would think he would need to show improvement to keep it.

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I don't think Purpura sucks, I disagree the way he handled Hunter's arrest, I think he has a done a good job filling holes, he sames to make good moves mid-season for the last to years the Astros have rallied to get in the hunt, I think the Astros will need to be better than 82-80 to be in the chase year in and year out.

Whoa, that is a lot to keep up with and I like the way you slip in Pence once again, after you were told enough was enough.  Obsessive perhaps?

You trolled for my opinion on Purp, I gave it to you. I don't think is obsessive, and I was told that was enough about the issue with the other member. Pence I think is fair to talk about, especially since he is regarded as one of the top prospects in the Astros organization, and possibly a trading block. I still think he has been great at filling holes. And his job is even more difficult without knowing when and/or if Roger is coming back

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Drayton Mclane probably has budget to work within like most business people and owners. He did pay alot for Carlos Lee.

He didn't pay a ton for a Gary Matthew Jr. but everything is relative.  Better it be Lee than GMJ in that scheme.

No he didn't pay for Gary Mathews Jr, and I agree it is better on Lee

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As far as Tal Smith smelling funny, I really don't know..

Neither do I, but most fans think they know everything.  Just checking.

Never claimed to know everything

[No? in Austin]

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I was referring to the free agents who are going else where and there was a good response to that a couple of posts a head of you.

I know what you were referring to, I asked *why* it is so interesting.  I think it's boring myself.  But that's just me.

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I'm not pinning for Zobrist, I think he is a great guy.

You say some strange things.

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MILB.com had him ranked pretty high as a prospect. He was hitting really well in CC, and moved really fast thru Durham. But really there was no place for him on the Astros, nor do I think he would have helped the Astros as much as Huff did down the stretch. Ben only hit .225. But right now he is slated to be the D-Rays starter this season coming up. I would think he would need to show improvement to keep it.

My head is spinning.

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You trolled for my opinion on Purp,

Oh fuck no!  Ooops, sorry, you don't like obsenity, I forgot.  Oh heck no Charlie Brown, you have absolutely no clue what you're saying here.

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I gave it to you. I don't think is obsessive, and I was told that was enough about the issue with the other member. Pence I think is fair to talk about, especially since he is regarded as one of the top prospects in the Astros organization, and possibly a trading block.

Talk about Pence and talk about Pence's DUI is two different things.  You want to talk about the prospect, knock yourself out.  We asked you to drop the inflamatory remarks but you're trying to bait for more fights and then whine when you get it.

Stop it now.  That is the last time you talk about the DUI any more until the court system takes care of it.

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I still think he has been great at filling holes. And his job is even more difficult without knowing when and/or if Roger is coming back

He just doesn't know how to hold free agents hostage!

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Never claimed to know everything

Hey!  We agree on something!  Woo-hoo!

[Mike]

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I was referring to the free agents who are going else where and there was a good response to that a couple of posts a head of you.

I know what you were referring to, I asked *why* it is so interesting.  I think it's boring myself.  But that's just me.
Roger's decision would make it alot more exciting I would think.

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I'm not pinning for Zobrist, I think he is a great guy.

You say some strange things. Sorry you think it's strange that I think the trade that sent Zobrist to the D-Rays  was incredible for him.

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MILB.com had him ranked pretty high as a prospect. He was hitting really well in CC, and moved really fast thru Durham. But really there was no place for him on the Astros, nor do I think he would have helped the Astros as much as Huff did down the stretch. Ben only hit .225. But right now he is slated to be the D-Rays starter this season coming up. I would think he would need to show improvement to keep it.

My head is spinning.

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You trolled for my opinion on Purp,

Oh fuck no!  Ooops, sorry, you don't like obsenity, I forgot.  Oh heck no Charlie Brown, you have absolutely no clue what you're saying here.

Well you did ask me what I thought of him and you asked for my honesty.

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I gave it to you. I don't think is obsessive, and I was told that was enough about the issue with the other member. Pence I think is fair to talk about, especially since he is regarded as one of the top prospects in the Astros organization, and possibly a trading block.

Talk about Pence and talk about Pence's DUI is two different things.  You want to talk about the prospect, knock yourself out.  We asked you to drop the inflamatory remarks but you're trying to bait for more fights and then whine when you get it.
I'm actually trying to stick to baseball. You asked me what I thought of Purp, I said I disagree with the way he handled "a top prospects" arrest, I've addressed that in a previous post and didn't and don't want to go into it. Maybe Purp doesn't stand by his players and maybe that is why free agents are leaving? I think Andy had made some comments... If you took that as inflamatory or looking for a fight your mistaken on its intent.(and now I just brought up Andy-some might consider him inflamatory)could clearly see  Per your request we agreed to drop the " whine issue" I percieve it more as a complaint.so be it, I thought we were dropping this and talking baseball.

Stop it now.  That is the last time you talk about the DUI any more until the court system takes care of it.

The only reason I brought it up was you asked my honest thoughts on the GM, I didn't like the way he handled that, per his management style how he runs an organization.

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I still think he has been great at filling holes. And his job is even more difficult without knowing when and/or if Roger is coming back

He just doesn't know how to hold free agents hostage!
Or maybe he doesn't know how to get them to want to come back, but he can attract new ones.

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Never claimed to know everything

Hey!  We agree on something!  Woo-hoo!

We probably agree on alot of things, and others we probably disagree on.

[JimR]

he's not going to stay within the boundaries you defined. he only registered on the TZ to defend Pence and to make excuses for his arrest.

good luck, and you have the patience of Job.

[strosrays]

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Biggio is a free agent?

Not any more, he signed.

OK, possibly OT, but they are the Official Punk Rock Band Of The OWA? and all. . .

When I was in school in Austin, The Clash played there in 1979, I think.  At the AWC, which is only a hazy memory, but I believe it is actually documented on the LP cover you are using as an avatar.  And I know I was still there when they shot the video for "Rock The Casbah" somewhere out around Bastrop.  It was rumored at the time the band liked Austin and hanging out there.  It was also rumored Mick Jones got the idea for "Lost In The Supermarket" (your signature) whilst wandering around a local HEB or something, probably looking for blood sausage, or bangers and mash.

Just thought I'd tie the loose ends in this thread together, is all.

[Arky Vaughan]

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he's not going to stay within the boundaries you defined. he only registered on the TZ to defend Pence and to make excuses for his arrest.

good luck, and you have the patience of Job.

I'd put him on ignore.

[No? in Austin]

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Roger's decision would make it alot more exciting I would think.

Exciting?  We differ on opinion as to exciting when it comes to baseball.  To each his own.

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Sorry you think it's strange that I think the trade that sent Zobrist to the D-Rays  was incredible for him.

No problem.  I guess I could pick out guys like Saul Torres and his chance to play for the Rochester Doo Hickeys in the  Northeast Forest League and go on and on and on and on...*yawn*, I'm sorry, what was I saying?  

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Well you did ask me what I thought of him and you asked for my honesty.

*ASK* and *TROLL* are two very different things.  I'll ask you this in all honesty: Are you really this big of an asshole in person?  Just wondering.

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I'm actually trying to stick to baseball. You asked me what I thought of Purp, I said I disagree with the way he handled "a top prospects" arrest, I've addressed that in a previous post and didn't and don't want to go into it.

Yeah and this is my first day in this forum and how things work, blah, blah, blah.  Do you *really* think I was born yesterday?  Do you *really* think I wouldn't know baiting tatics by someone who is itching for a fight?  Come on, give me credit for knowing a little sumptin' sumptin'.  This isn't the first turnip truck of a forum I've fallen off of.

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Maybe Purp doesn't stand by his players and maybe that is why free agents are leaving?

Odd, that the man credited for *stading by* the players he had in 2005 when all the media clamored that the team was dead in the water (even posted a tombstone for the team) and that changes needed to be made is now accused by you as being a man who *doesn't* stand by players.  Totally assine and really biased because of your man-love for Pence.

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I think Andy had made some comments...

'nuff said, next!

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If you took that as inflamatory or looking for a fight your mistaken on its intent.(and now I just brought up Andy-some might consider him inflamatory)could clearly see  Per your request we agreed to drop the " whine issue" I percieve it more as a complaint.so be it, I thought we were dropping this and talking baseball.

I wanted to know why the erroneous free agent smack is all.   You brought it back to Pence and really, you think I'm stupid, don't you?  Okay, why not call me a bushneck lackey and be done with it too.  That always goes well in here!

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The only reason I brought it up was you asked my honest thoughts on the GM, I didn't like the way he handled that, per his management style how he runs an organization.

OH COME ON!  You really, really, really think I'm stupid, don't you.  Of all the things you could choose to remark on Tim Purpura's competencies, you backdoor your way to Hunter Pence yet again.  You're itching to fight with someone and that is all you want to do here.

Look, it's not going to happen, so let it go... or just go!
 

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Or maybe he doesn't know how to get them to want to come back, but he can attract new ones.

Craig Biggio. Jeff Bagwell.

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We probably agree on alot of things, and others we probably disagree on.

So let it written, so let it be done!

[No? in Austin]

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he's not going to stay within the boundaries you defined. he only registered on the TZ to defend Pence and to make excuses for his arrest.

good luck, and you have the patience of Job.

I'd put him on ignore.

PM me, we need to talk more.

[Arky Vaughan]

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PM me, we need to talk more.

Sent one a few minutes ago.

[No? in Austin]

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PM me, we need to talk more.

Sent one a few minutes ago.

See the reply.  Thanks.

[HudsonHawk]

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It was also rumored Mick Jones got the idea for "Lost In The Supermarket" (your signature) whilst wandering around a local HEB or something,

Actually, my signature line is from Rudi Can't Fail.  But I'm sure you really know that.  I've heard of the Clash's fondness for Austin back in the day, as they didn't really care for the LA  or NY scenes.  So when he hung out in the US, it was Austin.  Another reason to be sad the cool Austin is gone.

[Taras Bulba]

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It was also rumored Mick Jones got the idea for "Lost In The Supermarket" (your signature) whilst wandering around a local HEB or something,

Actually, my signature line is from Rudi Can't Fail.  But I'm sure you really know that.  I've heard of the Clash's fondness for Austin back in the day, as they didn't really care for the LA  or NY scenes.  So when he hung out in the US, it was Austin.  Another reason to be sad the cool Austin is gone.

They also thought the border was cool and went down to Laredo and played a gig at a drive in.