Author Topic: Ok, Let's Talk About A-Rod (Read 9052 times)

Alkie · « **on:** October 07, 2006, 10:49:38 pm »

I don't give a flying fuck what he's done in the postseason. Those are bogus, small sample numbers.

I didn't realize the Rangers are paying $10m a year of his outrageous salary. If you could get the Yankees to take Morgan Ensberg, Brad Lidge, and let's say Taylor Buchholz (this isn't about getting rid of Buchholz; the Yankees aren't giving ARod away) and they agreed to pay $5m a year of his salary, making his Astros salary $10m a year....would you do the deal?

I would. Leaves enough money for Lee, possibly Schmidt, and a couple middle relievers.

C - Ausmus, Gimenez?
1B - Lance
2B - Craig
SS - Adam
3B - ARod
LF - Lee
CF - Willy
RF - Huff?

Zan · « **Reply #1 on:** October 08, 2006, 12:22:56 am »

I don't think there's a chance the Yankees would accept that trade even if they kept $0 of his contract on their books. And if the Yankees would accept that trade, I'm guessing a few teams would line up to offer that much or more.

Frobie · « **Reply #2 on:** October 08, 2006, 01:16:06 am »

I generally stay out of "You're the GM!" discussions because I've *been* the GM.

(Well, in Strat-O-Matic draft leagues, anyway, and I'm really terrible at it.)

That being said...

I'd do A-Rod for $10 million.

Wait, no, that's not what I meant.

If they could work out a deal to get him here and pay "only" that much, I'd be for it. (Hear that, Purpura?) My question is, Houston would presumably NOT be the only team that would be vying for his services. So since the Yanks would want to get as much in return for him as possible (well, theoretically), what would other teams be offering? Are there teams out there that would pay the whole $15 mil to sign him?

Froback · « **Reply #3 on:** October 08, 2006, 02:49:40 am »

I thought A-Rod was pretty decent at SS, and then the team could keep Huff and play him at 3B...

I understand nobody is as good as AE at SS, but that would solve line-up issues with A-Rod replacing Everett, and then adding Lee to play LF and then I guess Scott in RF.

Line-up of something like this:
Taveras
Biggio/Burke
Berkman
A-Rod
Lee
Scott
Huff
Ausmus/Other
Pitcher

Just a thought.

CarolinaStro · « **Reply #4 on:** October 08, 2006, 10:04:06 am »

Quote:

I thought A-Rod was pretty decent at SS, and then the team could keep Huff and play him at 3B...

I understand nobody is as good as AE at SS, but that would solve line-up issues with A-Rod replacing Everett, and then adding Lee to play LF and then I guess Scott in RF.

Line-up of something like this:
Taveras
Biggio/Burke
Berkman
A-Rod
Lee
Scott
Huff
Ausmus/Other
Pitcher

Just a thought.

I heard he no longer has the range to play SS based on his play this year at 3B. Anyways, the Stros have a bigger problems at 3B than SS. In the dreamland where ARod is playing in a Astro uni, he would definitely being doing it at 3B. ARod only looks good at SS in fantasy BB which ironically is what the Yanks seem to be playing and failing at lately.

JimR · « **Reply #6 on:** October 08, 2006, 01:42:47 pm »

hell, yes. no-brainer.

Alkie · « **Reply #7 on:** October 08, 2006, 04:08:58 pm »

Ok, Ensberg, Lidge, some Yankee top prospect, and Buchholz to Florida, D-Train and Cabrera to Yanks, A-Rod to Astros?

Alkie · « **Reply #9 on:** October 08, 2006, 04:28:41 pm »

So...

ARod to Angels. Weaver, Shields, Lidge and Buchholz to Yankees. D-Train and Cabrera to Astros. Pence, Ensberg, Mathis, and Izturis to Fish?

I think we need more teams.

homer · « **Reply #10 on:** October 08, 2006, 04:34:09 pm »

Why can't the Astros deal with the Fish directly? Let the Yankees go do their own thing.

Alkie · « **Reply #11 on:** October 08, 2006, 04:37:34 pm »

Because this is about trading A-Rod.

Why in the world would the Fish deal Cabrera and D-Train for ANY group of unprovens?

Cabrera and D-Train for Oswalt and Berkman, if I'm the Fish. Even if I'm owned by Loria.

homer · « **Reply #12 on:** October 08, 2006, 04:40:56 pm »

Payroll. Even under club control, those two might make more than the rest of the team.

Alkie · « **Reply #13 on:** October 08, 2006, 05:02:43 pm »

When are those guys arb eligible?

juliogotay · « **Reply #14 on:** October 08, 2006, 10:27:49 pm »

I'll be the dissenting voice. I don't know what kind of teammate he was in Seattle or in NY but when he was in Arlington his reputation was that of aloof, a loner, did absolutely nothing in the community and his hits/homers were in meaningless situations when the game was decided. This team has had a great clubhouse for years and I'm not sure this guy wouldn't bring it down. There was chatter here a while back that the Astros needed leadership. If you spend this kind of money, you should get some leadership as part of the package.

Alkie · « **Reply #15 on:** October 08, 2006, 10:34:57 pm »

That's cool. Let me disagree entirely with your post.

I can honestly say that I don't care if a baseball player is "part of the community" or if he goes straight home at night and sets cats on fire.

I don't care if he's a leader in the clubhouse or if he'd rather wander around with a g-string on with thousand dollar bills folded lengthwise sticking out so he can show off how much he made per out that night.

I don't buy that his hits/HRs come in meaningless times. I'd like some proof of that. Sounds like unsubstantiated bullshit to me.

If we paid him $10-$12m per, it's to drive in runs, not be team chaplain. The Astros don't need a "leader" they need someone who can drive in some fucking runs.

toddthebod · « **Reply #16 on:** October 08, 2006, 10:45:47 pm »

I would do the A-Rod deal in a second. But there is some real doubt that he wants to be traded. He has a no-trade clause and he has said many times that he wants to retire as a Yankee. There is some reason to this madness. If he accepts a trade, it means that Yankee stadium has beaten him and that he could not play in the limelight. For someone who believes himself to be the greatest player in baseball, it is impossible for him to accept this failure.

As for where he would play, I would stick him at SS. And maybe that's the draw that the Astros can use to bring him back to Texas.

juliogotay · « **Reply #17 on:** October 09, 2006, 12:58:15 am »

OK but you know good and well the Yanks aren't trading ARod for our flops. Nor is McLane likely to deal with Boras. But go ahead and enjoy your little dream sequence.

Houston · « **Reply #19 on:** October 09, 2006, 10:22:58 am »

Let's just add some numbers that probably don't mean much, but are interesting to consider.

This year in Yankees Stadium -- amid the boos and NY media -- A-Rod hit .311 with 20 HR and 66 RBI. His OPS was .970 at "home".

One of the Astros biggest problems in recent years has been getting runners home from third with less than 2 outs. In those situations in the last three years, Rodriguez hits .294 with 5 HR and 80 RBI in 102 AB. He also has hit .383 with the bases loaded in that time with 55 RBI in 47 AB.

By comparison, Lance Berkman hits .308 with a runner on third and less than 2 outs with 5 HR and 71 RBI in 78 AB. He has also hit .343 with 38 RBI in 35 AB.

Alkie · « **Reply #21 on:** October 09, 2006, 10:35:41 am »

Preston Wilson?

Browneye · « **Reply #22 on:** October 09, 2006, 02:54:40 pm »

Oh, but dont you want to know what pinwheel thinks?

The Link

Browneye · « **Reply #23 on:** October 09, 2006, 02:58:51 pm »

The best response to pinwheel's article blasting A-ROD.

"Anyone would have to be nuts to want A-ROD. Yeah, right.

All the bum did this year was hit 35 home runs, knock in 121 bat .290 with a .390 obp.

What a distraction those numbers would be for the Astros.

Can you imagine Ausmus, Bruntlett, Taveras, Palmeiro, Ensberg, Quintero, and Lane having to cope with a teammate like A-ROD? Might cause Garner's whole team to mutiny."

Nice.

CarolinaStro · « **Reply #27 on:** October 09, 2006, 05:09:32 pm »

You guys are being awful rough (ARod is worse to team than Bonds?) on a 1st ballot HOFer who still has a decade of ball left in him. His contract is definitely a burden for him. Is he a potential distraction in Houston? Sure, but so is Clemens. ARod contributed to very strong offenses in both Texas and NY as he would in Houston. The playoff performance is BS. Under that logic, we should have run Bags and Biggio out of town a long time ago. Pitching and timely hitting wins in the playoffs. The media punishes him because of the $252 million and I am not feeling sorry for him because it comes with the territory but I would root for him in the mud-n-blood (especially in Alkie's scenario for Morgan, Lidge, and Buchholz).

CarolinaStro · « **Reply #28 on:** October 09, 2006, 05:23:10 pm »

"A-Rod may be the kind of guy Tim Purpura would want, but I'm guessing the best GMs--Billy Beane, Gerry Hunsicker, Pat Gillick, etc.--wouldn't touch him."

Damn, what is the dig on Purp all about? The prick compares ARod to T.O.? Give me a break. Nobody compares to Owens. Not Bonds, not Moss, not Artest, and sure as hell not ARod.

Browneye · « **Reply #30 on:** October 09, 2006, 09:22:54 pm »

I think in any other clubhouse he may be a distraction, but not in the Astros. Atleast not for what he is a distraction for in New York. Yeah, so he isnt a big community guy, well thats not for you and me to judge. I cant think of a game I went to see just because we had a star community guy playing.

In New York he was a distraction for being in a slump and not fitting in with a bunch of premo's. I just love the bitchin Giambi was doing. Like this idiot has room to complain about anybody. That guy is a distraction.

If Clemons can be there or not be there when he is getting paid 22 mil, than who is complaining about a guy who would NOT be getting paid the most, well, atleast not from Drayton.

No matter how you cut it, ARod would be a great bat in this lineup and he is a proven hitter year after year. I'll take him and take my chances.

Bob Sakamano · « **Reply #31 on:** October 09, 2006, 10:32:22 pm »

Here's a quality case for A-Rod... with a large sampling of Richard Justice bashing to go along with it. A good read.

The Link

Hilarious stuff.

JimR · « **Reply #33 on:** October 10, 2006, 10:43:17 am »

my best source says the Yankees will move ARod for the right deal.

austro · « **Reply #34 on:** October 10, 2006, 11:01:17 am »

The Astros would probably move Oswalt or Berkman, too, for the right deal. But I don't think any of us are ready to stomach the Yankee's idea of an A-Rod "right deal". In fact, it probably involves Oswalt or Berkman.

toddthebod · « **Reply #35 on:** October 10, 2006, 11:03:37 am »

Is your source the New York tabloids or does your source just listen to WFAN? Everyone believes that the Yankees will move A-Rod, particularly if the Yankees decide to keep Torre around. But it doesn't make a difference if the Yankees want to move A-Rod since he has a no-trade clause in his contract. And to this point, A-Rod has said nothing to indicate that he wants to be traded despite the way he is treated by the fans.

JimR · « **Reply #43 on:** October 10, 2006, 01:23:30 pm »

my source is inside baseball, wiseass, and he negotiates trades for his team. believe what you want.

S.P. Rodriguez · « **Reply #48 on:** October 10, 2006, 04:08:41 pm »

For what it's worth, this release should change absolutely nothing about the A-Rod speculation. Story

toddthebod · « **Reply #51 on:** October 10, 2006, 05:49:12 pm »

Jim. I believe your source. He's just not really giving you earth-shattering information this time.

Browneye · « **Reply #53 on:** October 10, 2006, 07:15:39 pm »

I agree with Tom... Jim, you should give ole Buford T a call. He could use some help with reliable sources.

DVauthrin · « **Reply #54 on:** October 10, 2006, 08:03:30 pm »

The whole reason we are having this conversation is because of the idiotic group think that is new york yankee fans/ local media. If they just left A-Rod alone, he would perform better, but instead every time he messes up, they boo or have the worst media in the world write nasty/controversial articles about why A-Rod had an off night. But they don't do that towards Jeter or Posada, etc.

A-Rod could break the homerun record, win another MVP, and if they didn't win the WS, they would demand his head on a silver platter. It's ridiculous. They don't deserve what they receive every year in terms of putting a good baseball team on the field. If I was a player, I wouldn't want to play there. Consider the treatment of Joe Torre. He has 4 WS rings, and has made the postseason for the past decade, yet his head was almost on the chopping block. Give me a break. Your team lost because your bullpen outside of Rivera blows, and your starting pitching was slightly above average at best, George. Not because Joe Torre pushed wrong buttons.

And Derek Jeter is most overrated player in baseball today, and perhaps ever.

DVauthrin · « **Reply #55 on:** October 10, 2006, 08:03:33 pm »

The whole reason we are having this conversation is because of the idiotic group think that is new york yankee fans/ local media. If they just left A-Rod alone, he would perform better, but instead every time he messes up, they boo or have the worst media in the world write nasty/controversial articles about why A-Rod had an off night. But they don't do that towards Jeter or Posada, etc.

A-Rod could break the homerun record, win another MVP, and if they didn't win the WS, they would demand his head on a silver platter. It's ridiculous. They don't deserve what they receive every year in terms of putting a good baseball team on the field. If I was a player, I wouldn't want to play there. Consider the treatment of Joe Torre. He has 4 WS rings, and has made the postseason for the past decade, yet his head was almost on the chopping block. Give me a break. Your team lost because your bullpen outside of Rivera blows, and your starting pitching was slightly above average at best, George. Not because Joe Torre pushed wrong buttons.

And Derek Jeter is most overrated player in baseball today, and perhaps ever. I agree if he just steps up and tells the fans/press, lay off Rodriguez, it makes the situation much easier/better. Furthermore, it's a joke that he might win AL MVP this year. His numbers do not match up to Morneau or Ortiz.

I'm sick of the whole yankee fan mentality, which is it is our birthright to play/win world series. That attitude, the unbalanced media coverage towards the yankees and steinbrenner's spending is part of what is wrong with baseball.

The yankee fans don't really deserve to have a great player like A-Rod to cheer for with the way they act towards him. And I'd trade/welcome him as an Astro in a heartbeat, and it would be best for A-Rod to leave NY imho.

DVauthrin · « **Reply #57 on:** October 10, 2006, 09:00:46 pm »

Don't forget about the Jaret Wright signing. You could add pavano as well, but he got hurt as soon as he arrived there. And, I think Mike Greenberg said it well this morning on mike/mike when he said just picture what happens next year if the yankees go on a long losing streak. The calls for piniella or somebody else will be loud esp considering torre is in a lame duck position.

Outlawscotty · « **Reply #58 on:** October 10, 2006, 11:44:25 pm »

It is simply amazing what the fans in the NY area expect. Yesterday on XM (Charlie Steiner I think,) there was a female caller who claimed to go to several/many Yankee games a year and couldn't string together two sentences fo a reason as to why Torre/A-Rod should stay or go. She was obviously upset, but obviously had NO clue as to what she was talking about. The scoreboard/trophy case was her guide. Spoiled fans--spoiled city. Winning championships is the ultimate goal for most teams, but the standard for the Yankmees. Steinbrenner would be a fool to part with either piece in question, regardless of what the 'die-hards' think. The talent pool that is free agency is very shallow as well as their minor league affiliates (I assume.) The time is approaching when there will be very few players that will deal with Steinbrenner, the media spotlight, the overwhelming expectations, and the un-forgiving fans in the Bronx market. Other teams will use this fodder to keep their players much to the NY'ers shagrin. Maybe I'm wrong, but with A-Rod guaranteed his salary for the next however many years, he wouldn't mind playing somewhere besides the pressure cooker in NY. If not, his ego outweighs his pride.

DVauthrin · « **Reply #66 on:** October 11, 2006, 11:04:13 pm »

1) There is a distinct difference between that treatment and the way A-Rod is treated. It's not just the postseason with A-Rod. If he makes an error, they boo. If he goes 0-4, they boo. If jeter does those things, it's he's Derek Jeter, worlds greatest shortstop, he deserves the benefit of the doubt to work his way out of it. When Giambi first signed in NY, he got the A-Rod treatment the first month while in NY. He started hitting and they stopped. But even though A-Rod hits, they don't stop. They expect perfection from the 252 million dollar man. Every night, and if they don't get it, the fans complain and the media writes scathing articles in return.

2) David Ortiz vs Derek Jeter

BA: .287 vs .343=jeter
HR: 54 vs 14=ortiz
runs: 115 vs 118=wash, you have to consider where they bat in the order
RBI: 137 vs 97=ortiz, but it's closer than the numbers indicate because he bats 3rd to jeter's 2nd
OBP: .413 vs .417=essentially another wash
SLG: .636 vs .483=ortiz in a landslide

Does jeter playing in the field at an average level or so and a .343 BA plus 34 steals take away a 40 hr gap and almost 150 points in SLG percentage, along with ortiz's slight advantage in rbi. Not to me it doesn't. I know people will point to one made the playoffs the other didn't, but I don't feel mvp's should only go to players on playoff teams.

If you do Jeter vs Morneau

BA: .343 to .321=jeter
runs: 118 to 97=jeter(this wipes out morneau's rbi advantage because of where they bat in their orders)
HR: 14 to 34=morneau
RBI: 97 to 130=slight edge morneau considering batting order spot
OBP: .417 vs .375=jeter
SLG: .483 vs .559=morneau
SB'S: 34 to 3=jeter

If you take away steals it's a dead heat between morneau and Jeter. But what usually has people voting for jeter is how he kept the yankees together when Matsui and Sheffield got hurt. Without Justin Morneau think about where the twins offense would be. And as I stated in my predictions, I would vote for Ortiz as AL MVP, and it's not really close in my mind.

3) Listen to a FOX or ESPN broadcast of a yankees game, Derek Jeter is bulletproof. He can do no wrong. When he makes an error, it was somebody else's fault, when he gets on virtue of an error, it was his hustle that forced the error. And let's not forget if he is mr. intangible/mr.october than why doesn't he take the heat for the yankee postseason failure right now. If he is the team leader than why isn't it ever on him? Let's also not forget than A-Rod was the better player at SS when he was traded to new york but jeter demanded to stay at the position. You can be a good player, which jeter is, and be completely overrated. People actually think the guy is the best player in MLB. It's just laughable. He's an average to below average defensive shortstop with 20-25 hr power who hits for a high average and can steal bases. And that is worthy of the best player status? Please.

S.P. Rodriguez · « **Reply #68 on:** October 13, 2006, 10:43:16 am »

Read this article this morning and something caught my attention.

"Soriano's agent, Diego Bentz,...."

I thought Soriano was represented by Boras?

ETA: Not sure why I thought that but Soriano is not on this list.

das · « **Reply #69 on:** October 13, 2006, 10:46:51 am »

Nope. It's that Bentz guy. I sat next to him at RFK earlier in the year. Pretty funny guy. He got up and left in the 6th inning though.

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