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[JJxvi]

On the final play tonight...

Cirillo could have gotten a double play simply by tagging Berkman and then touching the bag right (even though Berkman was inexplicably standing on first base), right?

[Duke]

Only if Berkman was off the bag.  With Berkman on the bag, the only DP was to touch first and then throw home for the tag.

[JJxvi]

I dont think the bag you are forced from offers you a safe base. I think he could have been tagged out while on the base and then Huff forced at first. Anybody else agree, or actually know?

[BudGirl]

I thought he could have tagged first to get Huff out and then thrown to second to force Berkman out at 2nd.

[VirtualBob]

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I thought he could have tagged first to get Huff out and then thrown to second to force Berkman out at 2nd.

Nope.  Once he tagged first, all forces were off.

[homer]

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I thought he could have tagged first to get Huff out and then thrown to second to force Berkman out at 2nd.

once he tags first, all other forces are unavailable.

[HudsonHawk]

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I dont think the bag you are forced from offers you a safe base. I think he could have been tagged out while on the base and then Huff forced at first. Anybody else agree, or actually know?

Correct.  Berkman is forced until Huff was put out at 1B.  Even if Berkman's standing on the 1B bag, Cirillo could have tagged Berkman then touched 1B for a double play.

[BudGirl]

Did not realize that.

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I dont think the bag you are forced from offers you a safe base. I think he could have been tagged out while on the base and then Huff forced at first. Anybody else agree, or actually know?

Correct.  Berkman is forced until Huff was put out at 1B.  Even if Berkman's standing on the 1B bag, Cirillo could have tagged Berkman then touched 1B for a double play.

So, Cirillo screwed up?

[mihoba]

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Correct.  Berkman is forced until Huff was put out at 1B.  Even if Berkman's standing on the 1B bag, Cirillo could have tagged Berkman then touched 1B for a double play.

Cirillo was laying on the base when he caught the ball, so the force was off immediately in that case. Miller is the one who didn't realize the situation.

[HudsonHawk]

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Cirillo was laying on the base when he caught the ball, so the force was off immediately in that case. Miller is the one who didn't realize the situation.

It looked to me too like he was touching it when he caught the ball, but I couldn't tell for sure.  He defintitely reached back and touched it afterwards though.  

Still, the basic premise is correct.  Until Huff is forced, Berkman is forced and can be tagged out even if he's touching 1B.  As for why Berkman went back to 1B, I think he thought the ball may have been caught in the air.  Huff said after the game that *he* thought it had been, and he wasn't sure what happened until someone explained it to him after the game.

[HudsonHawk]

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I dont think the bag you are forced from offers you a safe base. I think he could have been tagged out while on the base and then Huff forced at first. Anybody else agree, or actually know?

Correct.  Berkman is forced until Huff was put out at 1B.  Even if Berkman's standing on the 1B bag, Cirillo could have tagged Berkman then touched 1B for a double play.

So, Cirillo screwed up?

I wouldn't say he screwed up.  He had to assume Berkman was running and had three choices there...

1.  Throw immediately home.  But as mihoba points out, he may have been touching 1B when he caught the ball, so there wasn't much he could do there.  Miller has to realize it's a tag play.

2.  Throw to 2B to try to get a very difficult 1-6-1 double play, or

3.  Do what he did...tag 1B and throw home to try to get the force out.

I don't think you can expect him to try and tag Berkman there.  Besides, all Berkman has to do is run halfway and the run scores anyway.

[mihoba]

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Huff said after the game that *he* thought it had been, and he wasn't sure what happened until someone explained it to him after the game.

Garner said (tongue in cheek) that everyone thinks Berkman is goofy out there, but he was actually a distraction to Cirillo. He had him completely confused.

I like to think Berkman knew what he was doing.

[HudsonHawk]

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I like to think Berkman knew what he was doing.

I'd like to think so too, but the truth is, Berkman screwed up.  He should have run halfway then stopped.

[mihoba]

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I like to think Berkman knew what he was doing.

I'd like to think so too, but the truth is, Berkman screwed up.  He should have run halfway then stopped.

A strange play compounded if Cirillo did indeed catch it on the fly. No time to react in either case, so staying on the base forced Cirillo to try to throw home for the DP.

[pravata]

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I dont think the bag you are forced from offers you a safe base. I think he could have been tagged out while on the base and then Huff forced at first. Anybody else agree, or actually know?

Correct.  Berkman is forced until Huff was put out at 1B.  Even if Berkman's standing on the 1B bag, Cirillo could have tagged Berkman then touched 1B for a double play.

Jeff Bagwell once made that very play.

[HudsonHawk]

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Jeff Bagwell once made that very play.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Bagwell did it on a popped up bunt, didn't he?  Heads up for sure.  But I can't fault Cirillo here tonight.  He had to assume that Berkman was running.

[pravata]

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Jeff Bagwell once made that very play.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Bagwell did it on a popped up bunt, didn't he?  Heads up for sure.  But I can't fault Cirillo here tonight.  He had to assume that Berkman was running.

Dont remember the circumstances but I do recall Bagwell knew to touch the runner before touching the bag.  I want to say Pujols was the runner. An arcane play to be sure. I enjoyed tonight because the game was decided completely on defensive plays.  Watching Baseball Tonight, they are flummoxed on how to cover it, even with Clemens pitching.

[Navin R Johnson]

 

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Watching Baseball Tonight, they are flummoxed on how to cover it, even with Clemens pitching.  

Just back from the game, didnt see baseball tonight, but per chacne did they say.... well if the Drayton cared about BASEBALL, he would have traded Roger to Boston and then we wouldnt be discussing such mundane things like rules and shitty 1-0 games?

[pravata]

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Watching Baseball Tonight, they are flummoxed on how to cover it, even with Clemens pitching.  

Just back from the game, didnt see baseball tonight, but per chacne did they say.... well if the Drayton cared about BASEBALL, he would have traded Roger to Boston and then we wouldnt be discussing such mundane things like rules and shitty 1-0 games?

They were befuddled and didnt say anything about that.  Shitty?

[Navin R Johnson]

 

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Shitty?  

Sorry, sometimes the tubes on the internet dont get my message across clearly.

I enjoy them, 1-0 games that is.

I was meaning that the Baseball Tonight crowd doesnt, since they dont get to show their screaming baseball graphic as much during those types of games.   Plus a 1-0 game at the "juicebox" doesnt let them fall back to their worn out jokes about MMPUS being a bandbox.

[astrojo]

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I like to think Berkman knew what he was doing.

I'd like to think so too, but the truth is, Berkman screwed up.  He should have run halfway then stopped.

A strange play compounded if Cirillo did indeed catch it on the fly. No time to react in either case, so staying on the base forced Cirillo to try to throw home for the DP.

Ok, for the record, I don't think he caught it on the fly because if he had, Cirillo surely would have known that he could throw to 3rd base to double up Lamb (because it would have been ruled that he left early on the tag).  Therefore, the run would not have scored.  He also seemed to be on the bag as he fielded the ground ball which, as already noted, immediately forced Huff at first and required a tag of the runner at home.

[ValpoCory]

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I dont think the bag you are forced from offers you a safe base. I think he could have been tagged out while on the base and then Huff forced at first. Anybody else agree, or actually know?

Correct.  Berkman is forced until Huff was put out at 1B.  Even if Berkman's standing on the 1B bag, Cirillo could have tagged Berkman then touched 1B for a double play.

Yep.  I immediately thought to myself, "thank goodness Bagwell was not playing first for the Brewers ... we'd be headed to the 10th inning".  I remember when he pulled the trick at Wrigley Field.  It was dubbed the "cerebral double play" at the time.

As pravata linked:

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[ValpoCory]

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I like to think Berkman knew what he was doing.

I'd like to think so too, but the truth is, Berkman screwed up.  He should have run halfway then stopped.

A strange play compounded if Cirillo did indeed catch it on the fly. No time to react in either case, so staying on the base forced Cirillo to try to throw home for the DP.

Ok, for the record, I don't think he caught it on the fly because if he had, Cirillo surely would have known that he could throw to 3rd base to double up Lamb (because it would have been ruled that he left early on the tag).  Therefore, the run would not have scored.  He also seemed to be on the bag as he fielded the ground ball which, as already noted, immediately forced Huff at first and required a tag of the runner at home.

Where Cirillo erred was when he went back and touched first base with his glove.  Falling on first is one thing, but not understanding the rule, and intentionally touching the bag with your glove, is un-Bagwellian.

[ValpoCory]

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I like to think Berkman knew what he was doing.

I'd like to think so too, but the truth is, Berkman screwed up.  He should have run halfway then stopped.

Agreed.  That's what he should have done.

He says he thought Cirillo caught it on a line.so I guess if that is his reasoning ....

[ValpoCory]

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Jeff Bagwell once made that very play.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Bagwell did it on a popped up bunt, didn't he?  Heads up for sure.  But I can't fault Cirillo here tonight.  He had to assume that Berkman was running.

No, you're right.  A popped up bunt at Wrigley Field.  He fielded the dtopped bunt and ran back to the first base area, tagged the runner, then the bag.

He outsmarted a couple people that night.

Kevin Eschenfelder made it obvious that he didn't understand the rule on Astros Live.

Of course, it slightly appeared that Garner didn't grasp it either.

He mentioned that if a double play had taken place, with Berkman and Huff being out, then "we would have had to have an argument over whether the runner had crossed home plate first".

Hmmm.

[Limey]

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I'd like to think so too, but the truth is, Berkman screwed up.  He should have run halfway then stopped.

Garner opened his PC with the line that they've been working on that play in training...the walk-off ground-out with Berkman running interference on 1st base.

[Limey]

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Ok, for the record, I don't think he caught it on the fly because if he had, Cirillo surely would have known that he could throw to 3rd base to double up Lamb (because it would have been ruled that he left early on the tag).  Therefore, the run would not have scored.  He also seemed to be on the bag as he fielded the ground ball which, as already noted, immediately forced Huff at first and required a tag of the runner at home.

For what it's worth, the 1B Ump didn't call Huff out until Cirillo re-tagged the bag with his glove.  He may not have called Huff out just on Cirillo's dive.

[Limey]

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No, you're right.  A popped up bunt at Wrigley Field.  He fielded the dtopped bunt and ran back to the first base area, tagged the runner, then the bag.

He outsmarted a couple people that night.

He nearly outsmarted the 4 most important people in that situation: the Umps.  They had an uncomfortably long conflab before deciding that Baggy Johnson was right.

[EasTexAstro]

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No, you're right.  A popped up bunt at Wrigley Field.  He fielded the dtopped bunt and ran back to the first base area, tagged the runner, then the bag.

He outsmarted a couple people that night.

He nearly outsmarted the 4 most important people in that situation: the Umps.  They had an uncomfortably long conflab before deciding that Baggy Johnson was right.

Never question Bagwell when rules are involved. You irritate Jeff and make yourself look like a fool.

[astrojo]

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Ok, for the record, I don't think he caught it on the fly because if he had, Cirillo surely would have known that he could throw to 3rd base to double up Lamb (because it would have been ruled that he left early on the tag).  Therefore, the run would not have scored.  He also seemed to be on the bag as he fielded the ground ball which, as already noted, immediately forced Huff at first and required a tag of the runner at home.

For what it's worth, the 1B Ump didn't call Huff out until Cirillo re-tagged the bag with his glove.  He may not have called Huff out just on Cirillo's dive.

Yes, I watched the replay and I did see that.  It was difficult to tell whether a part of his leg was touching the bag as he fielded the ball.  He must not have thought he was on the bag since he made the turn and tag of the bag with his glove before throwing home.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

Wasn't someone questioning, the other day, what Bagwell was like in his prime?  I believe this person might have been too young to have seen any of these years in person.  Anyway, this, right here, is a perfect example.  Bagwell would have had the DP.  I thought that last night and I'm still convinced.  I like to think I appreciated what he did at 1B before he retired but as the saying goes, you really don't know what you have until it's gone.

[No? in Austin]

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I'd like to think so too, but the truth is, Berkman screwed up.  He should have run halfway then stopped.

Garner opened his PC with the line that they've been working on that play in training...the walk-off ground-out with Berkman running interference on 1st base.

I'm just glad I got home in time to *watch* the play instead of listening to Milo call it.  I don't think I would've liked to hear his call on that one.

"Smaaaaash... Cirillo spears it... tags the bag... ohhhh... what is Berkman doi... LAMB SCORES... ASTROS WIN!"

Whaaa?

[Bench]

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I'd like to think so too, but the truth is, Berkman screwed up.  He should have run halfway then stopped.

Garner opened his PC with the line that they've been working on that play in training...the walk-off ground-out with Berkman running interference on 1st base.

I'm just glad I got home in time to *watch* the play instead of listening to Milo call it.  I don't think I would've liked to hear his call on that one.

"Smaaaaash... Cirillo spears it... tags the bag... ohhhh... what is Berkman doi... LAMB SCORES... ASTROS WIN!"

Whaaa?

Far too many individual words for an actual Milo call.

[MRaup]

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I'd like to think so too, but the truth is, Berkman screwed up.  He should have run halfway then stopped.

Garner opened his PC with the line that they've been working on that play in training...the walk-off ground-out with Berkman running interference on 1st base.

I'm just glad I got home in time to *watch* the play instead of listening to Milo call it.  I don't think I would've liked to hear his call on that one.

"Smaaaaash... Cirillo spears it... tags the bag... ohhhh... what is Berkman doi... LAMB SCORES... ASTROS WIN!"

Whaaa?

Far too many individual words for an actual Milo call.

It actually went...

SMASH! FIRST BASE SPEARS........ WOAH! OUT!.......... THROW HOME!......HES SAFE! ASTROS WIN!

Followed by Dolan trying to explain what happened, and Milo the Schill blaming his complete lack of sight on the umpires instead of actually admitting he didn't see it/understand it.

[Andyzipp]

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I'd like to think so too, but the truth is, Berkman screwed up.  He should have run halfway then stopped.

Garner opened his PC with the line that they've been working on that play in training...the walk-off ground-out with Berkman running interference on 1st base.

I'm just glad I got home in time to *watch* the play instead of listening to Milo call it.  I don't think I would've liked to hear his call on that one.

"Smaaaaash... Cirillo spears it... tags the bag... ohhhh... what is Berkman doi... LAMB SCORES... ASTROS WIN!"

Whaaa?

Far too many individual words for an actual Milo call.

Absolutely.

It was probably more like.

Huff hits whoaoaoaoaoaoaoaoa.  Thanks to Mike the Loose Cannon.

[Limey]

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Wasn't someone questioning, the other day, what Bagwell was like in his prime?  I believe this person might have been too young to have seen any of these years in person.  Anyway, this, right here, is a perfect example.  Bagwell would have had the DP.  I thought that last night and I'm still convinced.  I like to think I appreciated what he did at 1B before he retired but as the saying goes, you really don't know what you have until it's gone.

To be fair to Cirillo, and in no way impugning Baggy, Cirillo was making an amazing diving stop while Baggy was ruminating as a lazy bloop drifted his way.  Bags had much more thinking time.

[JaneDoe]

Actually the call was even worse than that.  I was in the car listening to the game and had to call home to get my 9 yr old to tell me what happened.

[ValpoCory]

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Actually the call was even worse than that.  I was in the car listening to the game and had to call home to get my 9 yr old to tell me what happened.

Does anyone know Milo's retirement plans?

[Limey]

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Yes, I watched the replay and I did see that.  It was difficult to tell whether a part of his leg was touching the bag as he fielded the ball.  He must not have thought he was on the bag since he made the turn and tag of the bag with his glove before throwing home.

Not that MHO matters on the field, but it didn't even occur to me that Cirillo had touched the bag while making the stop.  Maybe he felt himself hit the bag, but re-tagged it anyway because the Ump didn't make the call.  He probably thought he was out of options.

However, his first priority had to be stopping the run from scoring.  His only thought should've been the throw to home. If he gets only one (which he did), he had to keep the winning run at 3rd.

[ValpoCory]

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Yes, I watched the replay and I did see that.  It was difficult to tell whether a part of his leg was touching the bag as he fielded the ball.  He must not have thought he was on the bag since he made the turn and tag of the bag with his glove before throwing home.

Not that MHO matters on the field, but it didn't even occur to me that Cirillo had touched the bag while making the stop.  Maybe he felt himself hit the bag, but re-tagged it anyway because the Ump didn't make the call.  He probably thought he was out of options.

However, his first priority had to be stopping the run from scoring.  His only thought should've been the throw to home. If he gets only one (which he did), he had to keep the winning run at 3rd.

Couldn't agree more.  His priority should have home if he didn't realize the easy tag Berkman and then the base double play option.

Why couldn't Walt Weiss make the same mistake?

[Phil_in_CS]

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Why couldn't Walt Weiss make the same mistake?

Do not speak that name

[Limey]

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Why couldn't Walt Weiss make the same mistake?

Because Walt Weiss is the devil.

[Ty in Tampa]

Aw, man. You just fucked up my morning.

[Ty in Tampa]

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They had an uncomfortably long conflab before deciding that Baggy Johnson was right.

"REHRIN'"

[JimR]

after Cirillo touched first, Berkman can return to it.

Garner was correct in the post-game. if Cirillo touched the bag and then threw to second to get a running Berkman, they would have had to tag Berkman before Lamb touched the plate to prevent the run from scoring.

[ValpoCory]

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after Cirillo touched first, Berkman can return to it.

Garner was correct in the post-game. if Cirillo touched the bag and then threw to second to get a running Berkman, they would have had to tag Berkman before Lamb touched the plate to prevent the run from scoring.

Garner, in that post-game PC, said Cirillo "could have swiped and tagged Barkman, and then we'd have a discussion on whether the run crossed home plate first".

[Limey]

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after Cirillo touched first, Berkman can return to it.

Garner was correct in the post-game. if Cirillo touched the bag and then threw to second to get a running Berkman, they would have had to tag Berkman before Lamb touched the plate to prevent the run from scoring.

Just for sake of good order, as I don't believe it changed a thing, Berkman was standing on 1st when Cirillo tagged it.  Cirillo could've tagged Berkman and then stepped on the bag, a la Bagwell, if he'd had the smrts.

[JimR]

no way to be that smart the way that play developed, imo. it happened too fast, it required a dive and the winning run was steaming home. the best play would have been an immediate throw home for the force. then, there would have been two native Texans occupying first, which is one too many.

[Limey]

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Garner, in that post-game PC, said Cirillo "could have swiped and tagged Barkman, and then we'd have a discussion on whether the run crossed home plate first".

I think Garner was basing this on his belief that Cirillo had touched the bag as he made the diving stop.  The replays clearly show that the Ump didn't call Huff out until Cirillo "re" tagged the bag with his glove.  Berkman was planted back at 1st when Cirillo came up with the ball (because he thought it might have been caught) so once the force was off Berkman was safe as houses.

[Limey]

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no way to be that smart the way that play developed, imo. it happened too fast, it required a dive and the winning run was steaming home. the best play would have been an immediate throw home for the force. then, there would have been two native Texans occupying first, which is one too many.

Thanks, and (just ftr) I have said as much above just a lot less succinctly.  Cirillo should've been thinking "home" all the way, regardless of where anyone else was.  He brainfucked it when he tried to get 2 (with an assist from Miller who should've been camped on the plate to stop the runner crossing).

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no way to be that smart the way that play developed, imo. it happened too fast, it required a dive and the winning run was steaming home. the best play would have been an immediate throw home for the force. then, there would have been two native Texans occupying first, which is one too many.

Thanks, and (just ftr) I have said as much above just a lot less succinctly.  Cirillo should've been thinking "home" all the way, regardless of where anyone else was.  He brainfucked it when he tried to get 2 (with an assist from Miller who should've been camped on the plate to stop the runner crossing).

Cirillo *knew* he didn't catch in on the fly, so he doesn't have to wait for the umpire to make a call.  He needs to get back on his feet and fire home.  After that, it's all gravy if they get a DP.  But the objective is to keep the winning run off the board.  Why Cirillo took the force out at home away is the mystery part.  It is as if he didn't tell himself prior to the play "Ground ball back to me, fire home... get the force out".  Usually, you tell yourself what you're going to do if a ball is hit to you.  You play out the situation in your head.

Heck, some guys I played with used to scream out what they were going to do (when I was catcher) "Hey catch... ground ball to me, I'm COMING HOME WITH IT!".

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no way to be that smart the way that play developed, imo. it happened too fast, it required a dive and the winning run was steaming home. the best play would have been an immediate throw home for the force. then, there would have been two native Texans occupying first, which is one too many.

Thanks, and (just ftr) I have said as much above just a lot less succinctly.  Cirillo should've been thinking "home" all the way, regardless of where anyone else was.  He brainfucked it when he tried to get 2 (with an assist from Miller who should've been camped on the plate to stop the runner crossing).

A Lamb vs. Miller collision at home plate... Yikes. That would've been ugly.

[Navin R Johnson]

 

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no way to be that smart the way that play developed, imo. it happened too fast, it required a dive and the winning run was steaming home. the best play would have been an immediate throw home for the force. then, there would have been two native Texans occupying first, which is one too many.

Thanks, and (just ftr) I have said as much above just a lot less succinctly.  Cirillo should've been thinking "home" all the way, regardless of where anyone else was.  He brainfucked it when he tried to get 2 (with an assist from Miller who should've been camped on the plate to stop the runner crossing).

Cirillo *knew* he didn't catch in on the fly, so he doesn't have to wait for the umpire to make a call.  He needs to get back on his feet and fire home.  After that, it's all gravy if they get a DP.  But the objective is to keep the winning run off the board.  Why Cirillo took the force out at home away is the mystery part.  It is as if he didn't tell himself prior to the play "Ground ball back to me, fire home... get the force out".  Usually, you tell yourself what you're going to do if a ball is hit to you.  You play out the situation in your head.

Heck, some guys I played with used to scream out what they were going to do (when I was catcher) "Hey catch... ground ball to me, I'm COMING HOME WITH IT!".

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"I'm 1 inch from the base and I thought it was a foul ball," Cirillo said. "I thought I dove across the line to catch it."

"Even when I tagged the base, I thought I had a shot at Lamb (on a tag play). I guess he's a better runner than I thought. I don't know what else to say."

Though Miller thought it was a force at the plate, he said he didn't think there was time to tag Lamb in any event.
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[Arky Vaughan]

Milo's call wasn't even as accurate as it's been portrayed above. It took about five or ten seconds for him to figure out that the Astros had won the game, and then he mentioned is as if to say, "oh, look, my shoes are untied."

[Limey]

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A Lamb vs. Miller collision at home plate... Yikes. That would've been ugly.

And Miller just back from a concussion.

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I'd like to think so too, but the truth is, Berkman screwed up.  He should have run halfway then stopped.

Garner opened his PC with the line that they've been working on that play in training...the walk-off ground-out with Berkman running interference on 1st base.

I'm just glad I got home in time to *watch* the play instead of listening to Milo call it.  I don't think I would've liked to hear his call on that one.

"Smaaaaash... Cirillo spears it... tags the bag... ohhhh... what is Berkman doi... LAMB SCORES... ASTROS WIN!"

Whaaa?

Milo didn't sound that confused; he just called it like a routine grounder in the 4th inning that might be fair or foul -- it was that tone of voice.

Transcribed from the archived audio:
"Swinging... and a ball, speared by the... first baseman, throws to the plate, safe... [double pause here] And we have won this game. [period, not exclamation point here] The first baseman speared it, that's an out, but across the plate is Lamb, and you've won this game one to nothing."

None of his usual yelling or anything. The other guy (I still can't keep them straight) then came on and explained what happened with a more appropriate amount of incredulousness in his voice.

[JimR]

he made it sound--and it reads--like a line drive out. he totally missed the play and then made his usual excuses.

[Fredia]

please do not use berkman and reasoning in the same sentence.. things are already pretty strange out there

[ValpoCory]

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he made it sound--and it reads--like a line drive out. he totally missed the play and then made his usual excuses.

Exactly what I was thinking.  And it made no sense for the game to be over if if was a lineout.

"Speared by the first baseman, that's an out".

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he made it sound--and it reads--like a line drive out. he totally missed the play and then made his usual excuses.

He's not the only who missed the play. JDJO's recap article, including the byline  A heady move by Lance Berkman proved crucial as the Astros beat the Milwaukee Brewers 1-0 in the bottom of the ninth Wednesday night on Aubrey Huff's walk-off groundout to first.

Here was his summary of Berkman's actions/nonactions on the play:

 

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Berkman reacted quickly and returned to first without being tagged.  

Not quite an accurate assesment.

[JimR]

i just watched it again. LB returned to the bag immediately. has he commented on the play? he must have thought--to the extent he ever thinks--that Cirillo caught the ball on a line.

[ValpoCory]

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he made it sound--and it reads--like a line drive out. he totally missed the play and then made his usual excuses.

He's not the only who missed the play. JDJO's recap article, including the byline  A heady move by Lance Berkman proved crucial as the Astros beat the Milwaukee Brewers 1-0 in the bottom of the ninth Wednesday night on Aubrey Huff's walk-off groundout to first.

Here was his summary of Berkman's actions/nonactions on the play:

 

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Berkman reacted quickly and returned to first without being tagged.  

Not quite an accurate assesment.

JDJO has a screw loose.  I watched Astros Live after the game, and it was blatantly obvious when JDJO was asking a question.  1) I fell asleep, and 2) it took longer for him to speak 10 words than it took Clemens to give him a 50 word response.

Clemens looked at him like, "Oh, not you again ... hurry up already".

[Bench]

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i just watched it again. LB returned to the bag immediately. has he commented on the play? he must have thought--to the extent he ever thinks--that Cirillo caught the ball on a line.

It certainly seemed that way from the quotes in NYCU.

 

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"It's worse if he hits a line drive and I don't get back," Berkman responded.

"He didn't hit a line drive," Bagwell chimed back.
 

From that and other comments, it certainly seemed that Lance assumed it was caught on the fly.

[Limey]

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From that and other comments, it certainly seemed that Lance assumed it was caught on the fly.

Proving the adage that when you assume, you make an ass out of you and Jeff Cirillo.

[HudsonHawk]

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he made it sound--and it reads--like a line drive out. he totally missed the play and then made his usual excuses.

He's not the only who missed the play. JDJO's recap article, including the byline  A heady move by Lance Berkman proved crucial as the Astros beat the Milwaukee Brewers 1-0 in the bottom of the ninth Wednesday night on Aubrey Huff's walk-off groundout to first.

Here was his summary of Berkman's actions/nonactions on the play:

 

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Berkman reacted quickly and returned to first without being tagged.  

Not quite an accurate assesment.

JDJO don't know shit from shinola when it comes to baseball.  The last place Berkman should have been was standing on 1B where he could easily been tagged for a double play.  I think he though the ball was caught in the air, but damn, it's right in front of him, he has to know better.

[MusicMan]

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JDJO don't know shit from shinola, period.

Fixed it for you.

[Andyzipp]

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JDJO don't know shit from shinola, period.

Fixed it for you.

Please don't let this become a FIFY board.  I hate FIFY.

[JackAstro]

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Please let this become a FIFY board!!!  I heart FIFY!!!!!!

Fixed it for you.

[Andyzipp]

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Please let this become a FIFY board!!!  I heart FIFY!!!!!!

Fixed it for you.

Fuckers.