Justice on 610

[JGrave]

Justice will be on 610 tomorrow at 8 AM for his weekly interview.  The promo says, "Drayton says he never ordered Purpura to trade Lidge.  Richard is standing by his story."  Might be somewhat interesting.

[jaklewein]

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Justice will be on 610 tomorrow at 8 AM for his weekly interview.  The promo says, "Drayton says he never ordered Purpura to trade Lidge.  Richard is standing by his story."  Might be somewhat interesting.

How interesting could it be.  Lidge is still with the team.  Either Drayton's a liar, or Purpura should be fired.  Pretty cut and dry if you ask me.

[pravata]

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Justice will be on 610 tomorrow at 8 AM for his weekly interview.  The promo says, "Drayton says he never ordered Purpura to trade Lidge.  Richard is standing by his story."  Might be somewhat interesting.

Finding out which story will be the interesting part.  He had a chance to stand by his story yesterday on ESPN, he avoided that.

[CJM]

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Justice will be on 610 tomorrow at 8 AM for his weekly interview.  The promo says, "Drayton says he never ordered Purpura to trade Lidge.  Richard is standing by his story."  Might be somewhat interesting.

How interesting could it be.  Lidge is still with the team.  Either Drayton's a liar, or Purpura should be fired.  Pretty cut and dry if you ask me.

Because there is no way Justice just likes to make up shit- he's never done that before...

[MusicMan]

How do you figure?  If Drayton said "See what kind of offers are out there", then he's not a liar and there's no reason for Purp to be fired.

[jaklewein]

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How do you figure?  If Drayton said "See what kind of offers are out there", then he's not a liar and there's no reason for Purp to be fired.

The report is that he "demanded" that Lidge be traded...not "see what you can get and get back to me."  If Justice is right then Lidge is gone...or Pup ignored his boss.

...or of course the obvious...Justice reported bullshit, again.  DING, DING, DING...BINGO, LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A WINNER!

[BudGirl]

So, is anyone going to call and ask him anything?

[Froback]

Anyone else hoping he has his credential taken away... would love to see his or JJDO pulled citing reasons of erroneous reporting.  Would love to see how they try to spin that!  And then how they try to find a job at something else with that track record.  A team pulls your cred because you wrote false articles claiming to be true.

Didn't a NY writer (although I think News not sports) lose his gig over something like that?

[JGrave]

I sent an email asking them to ask him if he means to call Drayton a liar.

[pravata]

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Anyone else hoping he has his credential taken away... would love to see his or JJDO pulled citing reasons of erroneous reporting.  Would love to see how they try to spin that!  And then how they try to find a job at something else with that track record.  A team pulls your cred because you wrote false articles claiming to be true.

Didn't a NY writer (although I think News not sports) lose his gig over something like that?

The Royals pulled 2 writers for asking difficult questions recently.  They didnt like their attitude.  Whether the Astros do or not he's toast.  Milo was on the radio this morning at 7:45.  He said he called Mclane a half an hour before to ask him about the Lidge story.  Milo didnt so much say "Richard Justice" as spit it.

[Limey]

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The Royals pulled 2 writers for asking difficult questions recently.  They didnt like their attitude.  Whether the Astros do or not he's toast.  Milo was on the radio this morning at 7:45.  He said he called Mclane a half an hour before to ask him about the Lidge story.  Milo didnt so much say "Richard Justice" as spit it.

Being crap at his job is one thing, but when Pinwheel destabilises the club's star pitcher, that's a whole nother thing entirely.

If I were Drayton, I'd get Justice in a room with Oswalt, have Justice explain exactly from which orifice the "shopping" story was pulled, and then banish Justice from the kingdom of the Astros.

[MusicMan]

This is asw easy as it gets for an interviewer:

"Richard, there are only two posibilities:
1.  Your story was wrong.
2.  Your story was correct, and Tim Purpura directly disobeyed Drayton McLane's order.
Which is it?"

Who thinks Granato will actually be that direct?

[BudGirl]

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I sent an email asking them to ask him if he means to call Drayton a liar.

Justice and Ortiz are laughing because there are so many stupid people out there believing them.  They have stirred up shit with the players and management just to get some kind of story.  

I think someone needs to ask him if Ausmus really doesn't talk to him.

[Limey]

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Who thinks Granato will actually be that direct?

Yours is a very simple premise.  It's still beyond Granato's ability to comprehend.  If there's any joy to be had, it's in the hands of the callers, and they can be screened/dropped*.

* Like when I try to call Rush Limbaugh to explain to him that, if he cut out all the parts of the Bible where Jesus talks about peace, love and understanding, he'd have a really good place to hide his drugs.

[pravata]

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The Royals pulled 2 writers for asking difficult questions recently.  They didnt like their attitude.  Whether the Astros do or not he's toast.  Milo was on the radio this morning at 7:45.  He said he called Mclane a half an hour before to ask him about the Lidge story.  Milo didnt so much say "Richard Justice" as spit it.

Being crap at his job is one thing, but when Pinwheel destabilises the club's star pitcher, that's a whole nother thing entirely.

If I were Drayton, I'd get Justice in a room with Oswalt, have Justice explain exactly from which orifice the "shopping" story was pulled, and then banish Justice from the kingdom of the Astros.

He's already crabbing on that one.  He doesn't "believe" Purpura would really trade Oswalt.

"Turns out, it wasn't one casual conversation with the Orioles. At least two other teams believed they were close to acquiring Roy Oswalt.

I still believe he wouldn't have traded him, that he was only judging the market. But the facts say otherwise. If he wasn't going to trade him, why was he floating his names with so many teams."

For the answer to that one, Pinwheel, you just needed to do a little homework, The Link

"... I think they were considering all the possibilities. Having said that, it's clear there were significant conversations with several clubs regarding Oswalt. I may be completely wrong, ..."

Crabbed, crawfished, pinwheeling.

[Navin R Johnson]

I hope someone Dale Rovertsons SportsJustice and/or JDJO.

I also hope it is caught on tape and can be played over and over on youtube while drinking beers and laughing at him/them.

[astro pete]

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This is asw easy as it gets for an interviewer:

"Richard, there are only two posibilities:
1.  Your story was wrong.
2.  Your story was correct, and Tim Purpura directly

3. Your story was correct, but once you revealed to the world what a lying, back-stabbing bastard Drayton McLane was, he rescinded the demand in an effort to save face.  Thanks, Dick, for making things right.

[cougar]

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Who thinks Granato will actually be that direct?

Yours is a very simple premise.  It's still beyond Granato's ability to comprehend.  If there's any joy to be had, it's in the hands of the callers, and they can be screened/dropped*.

* Like when I try to call Rush Limbaugh to explain to him that, if he cut out all the parts of the Bible where Jesus talks about peace, love and understanding, he'd have a really good place to hide his drugs.

Or like when someone with a sane opinion tries to call anyone on Air America?

[MusicMan]

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This is asw easy as it gets for an interviewer:

"Richard, there are only two posibilities:
1.  Your story was wrong.
2.  Your story was correct, and Tim Purpura directly

3. Your story was correct, but once you revealed to the world what a lying, back-stabbing bastard Drayton McLane was, he rescinded the demand in an effort to save face.  Thanks, Dick, for making things right.

Good lord, I just had a vision of the future.

[Limey]

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* Like when I try to call Rush Limbaugh to explain to him that, if he cut out all the parts of the Bible where Jesus talks about peace, love and understanding, he'd have a really good place to hide his drugs.

Or like when someone with a sane opinion tries to call anyone on Air America?

I think my joke was funnier.

[Golden Sombrero]

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* Like when I try to call Rush Limbaugh to explain to him that, if he cut out all the parts of the Bible where Jesus talks about peace, love and understanding, he'd have a really good place to hide his drugs.

Or like when someone with a sane opinion tries to call anyone on Air America?

I think my joke was funnier.

Especially since I'm not even sure Err America is still around.  Or if it is, it's limited to Ham Radio.

[cougar]

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* Like when I try to call Rush Limbaugh to explain to him that, if he cut out all the parts of the Bible where Jesus talks about peace, love and understanding, he'd have a really good place to hide his drugs.

Or like when someone with a sane opinion tries to call anyone on Air America?

I think my joke was funnier.

I could get mean here, but I'll think back fondly to our talks over soccer (of all things) during the Zidane Headbutt Spectacular and just walk away.

[No? in Austin]

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"Turns out, it wasn't one casual conversation with the Orioles. At least two other teams believed they were close to acquiring Roy Oswalt.

The Baltimore Sun reported that the two other teams were the Mets and Boston... but they wer talking to the Orioles!  See the Orioles thought that Houston would get back to them by Sunday with the offer they wanted: Oswalt/Ensberg/Everett.  *THEY* (the Orioles) called the Mets and Boston to create a market for Oswalt's services.  Boston got really excited, as did the Mets.  Because they thought the Orioles really had Oswalt in the bag.

But, it was not so... Houston never called back once they were told to consider throwing Oswalt into the mix.  As of Sunday night, Angelos was still waiting for a call from Houston so he could turn around and call Boston or New York.  When it was apparent Houston was not stupid, Angelos came up with the excuse for the media that Houston was scared that Baltimore would trade Oswalt to *TEXAS* and make McLane a villian like in the days of Nolan Ryan.

It's the same bullshit Tracy Rigolsby reported, only the fact is that McLane wasn't the owner when Ryan went to Texas, Doc McMullen was.  Angelos, the media, everyone is spinning this story to make McLane a bad guy and Purpura a nincompop.  It is disgusting to read, hear and watch.

People should be fired for some of this.

[No? in Austin]

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This is asw easy as it gets for an interviewer:

"Richard, there are only two posibilities:
1.  Your story was wrong.
2.  Your story was correct, and Tim Purpura directly

3. Your story was correct, but once you revealed to the world what a lying, back-stabbing bastard Drayton McLane was, he rescinded the demand in an effort to save face.  Thanks, Dick, for making things right.

Make it easy: Pinwheel, you're calling McLane a liar?

[Alkie]

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I think my joke was funnier.

I thought your joke was funnier when Al Franken made it in his book 5 months ago.

[pravata]

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"Turns out, it wasn't one casual conversation with the Orioles. At least two other teams believed they were close to acquiring Roy Oswalt.

The Baltimore Sun reported that the two other teams were the Mets and Boston... but they wer talking to the Orioles!  See the Orioles thought that Houston would get back to them by Sunday with the offer they wanted: Oswalt/Ensberg/Everett.  *THEY* (the Orioles) called the Mets and Boston to create a market for Oswalt's services.  Boston got really excited, as did the Mets.  Because they thought the Orioles really had Oswalt in the bag.

But, it was not so... Houston never called back once they were told to consider throwing Oswalt into the mix.  As of Sunday night, Angelos was still waiting for a call from Houston so he could turn around and call Boston or New York.  When it was apparent Houston was not stupid, Angelos came up with the excuse for the media that Houston was scared that Baltimore would trade Oswalt to *TEXAS* and make McLane a villian like in the days of Nolan Ryan.

It's the same bullshit Tracy Rigolsby reported, only the fact is that McLane wasn't the owner when Ryan went to Texas, Doc McMullen was.  Angelos, the media, everyone is spinning this story to make McLane a bad guy and Purpura a nincompop.  It is disgusting to read, hear and watch.

People should be fired for some of this.

If only people actually read inbred bloggers.  It wasn't the Astros that were shopping Oswalt, it was the Orioles.  You hear that Roy! THE ORIOLES!

[The Spleen]

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If only people actually read inbred bloggers.  It wasn't the Astros that were shopping Oswalt, it was the Orioles.  You hear that Roy! THE ORIOLES!

You're assuming that Oswalt cares about the truth and isn't just interested in using this mess as an excuse to distance himself from a team he has grown tired of...

The problem with meatheads like Justice is that they don't just pander to clueless fans... they're all too happy to egg on a player, manager or owner who's looking for a fight... and then get paid for writing column after anguished column about the bloodletting that ensues...

[pravata]

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If only people actually read inbred bloggers.  It wasn't the Astros that were shopping Oswalt, it was the Orioles.  You hear that Roy! THE ORIOLES!

You're assuming that Oswalt cares about the truth and isn't just interested in using this mess as an excuse to distance himself from a team he has grown tired of...

The problem with meatheads like Justice is that they don't just pander to clueless fans... they're all too happy to egg on a player, manager or owner who's looking for a fight... and then get paid for writing column after anguished column about the bloodletting that ensues...

You know what? Don't care. If Oswalt takes off because of something a reporter wrote, good riddance to him.  May he lose 3 mph on his fastball, his curve flatten out and may he play in New York.  If that's who he is he's not part of a team I want to pay attention to.  I just listened to 20 minutes of Jeffrey Robert Bagwell.  That's the Astros I follow. And they're quickly becoming not that team.

[Lefty]

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I just listened to 20 minutes of Jeffrey Robert Bagwell.  That's the Astros I follow. And they're quickly becoming not that team.

Great interview, huh?  Miss that guy.

Dalati did say that he talked to Roy's agent & agent said Roy loves Houston, wants to stay in Houston, sure they'll work something out, all that jazz.

[The Third Man]

I could get mean here, too, and mention that the side with less drug addicts, traitors, chickenhawks, male prostitutes, warmongers, constitution shredders, budget busters and religious freaks on the payroll has more credibilty but that would get in the way of a good Richard Justice thread.

[guitarcec]

ya know, lost in all this "he said/she said" crap is the fact that the proposed trade by the orioles to the astros would have been a really bad trade for the stros. a significant downgrade in defense for a significant upgrade in offense. and that's not to mention that we just drop one of the best pitchers in the game, oswalt, on top of it. and if ensberg comes back with a little newfound confidence and mashes like we all know he's capable of, who the hell needs tejada? what a load of crap. stupid media...

[Limey]

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I thought your joke was funnier when Al Franken made it in his book 5 months ago.

Al is a fucking thief.

[Limey]

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If only people actually read inbred bloggers.  It wasn't the Astros that were shopping Oswalt, it was the Orioles.  You hear that Roy! THE ORIOLES!

Brownie took a barely veiled swipe at Pinwheel last night.  Basically called those who "blog" this stuff as bullshitters.

[BudGirl]

Justice pretty much said this morning that Drayton has to lie at this point about what happened.  So, I guess he is sticking by his shit.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

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Justice pretty much said this morning that Drayton has to lie at this point about what happened.  So, I guess he is sticking by his shit.

Thanks for the update.

[No? in Austin]

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Justice pretty much said this morning that Drayton has to lie at this point about what happened.  So, I guess he is sticking by his shit.

What is that old lawyer trick: Keep asking them a question that they cannot answer?

"So, tell me Mr. McLane, when is did you stop beating your wife?"

If he says he doesn't beat his wife, you claim: "What, did you expect him to confess he actually beats his wife?  Of course he's going to deny it!"

See, the real situation here is that Pinwheel's credibility is on the line, not McLane.  Drayton doesn't have to defend himself against Pinwheel's innuendo and rumor mongering.  It is Richard Justice who the media and fans should ask: "So Mr. Justice, when did you stop beating your wife?"

He made up the rumor, not McLane.  He wrote it in his "blog" without need for research, editor clearance, even spell checking... no accountability whatsoever.  And it is McLane who needs to have his credibility in his denial questioned?  No-freaking-way!

I bet Sports610 went easy on him too.

[pravata]

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Justice pretty much said this morning that Drayton has to lie at this point about what happened.  So, I guess he is sticking by his shit.

What is that old lawyer trick: Keep asking them a question that they cannot answer?

"So, tell me Mr. McLane, when is did you stop beating your wife?"

If he says he doesn't beat his wife, you claim: "What, did you expect him to confess he actually beats his wife?  Of course he's going to deny it!"

See, the real situation here is that Pinwheel's credibility is on the line, not McLane.  Drayton doesn't have to defend himself against Pinwheel's innuendo and rumor mongering.  It is Richard Justice who the media and fans should ask: "So Mr. Justice, when did you stop beating your wife?"

He made up the rumor, not McLane.  He wrote it in his "blog" without need for research, editor clearance, even spell checking... no accountability whatsoever.  And it is McLane who needs to have his credibility in his denial questioned?  No-freaking-way!

I bet Sports610 went easy on him too.

Yes, they did. In addition, I only heard one caller, and he wanted to talk about Kirby Puckett.

Here's the pinwheel I heard.  Justice said he heard the story from 4 people, 2 on the MLB masthead, 1, "if I said his name you'd know who it was".  They heard that Mclane said this. Justice says this, "they heard Mclane say it he may not have said it to Purpura, but he said it."  Did anyone else hear this slime?  How does Mclane order Purpura to do something if he never said it to him?

[JGrave]

Granato really pussed out this morning.  He had several chances to ask him a meaningful question and simply failed.  There was a point where Granato asks him, "so have you talked to Drayton?"  Justice said, "Yeah, I talked after my whole day flight from Newark to here yesterday."  Then, Granato went on to ask him about the Hall of Fame.  It was really remarkable.

[MusicMan]

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Here's the pinwheel I heard.  Justice said he heard the story from 4 people, 2 on the MLB masthead, 1, "if I said his name you'd know who it was".  They heard that Mclane said this. Justice says this, "they heard Mclane say it he may not have said it to Purpura, but he said it."  Did anyone else hear this slime?  How does Mclane order Purpura to do something if he never said it to him?

Not only that, but he also went on to say that he holds is blog to "journalistic standards", but that "bloggers" are "fat guys in their underwear".

He's quickly moving from the "amusing distraction" category to "despicable".

[Limey]

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he also went on to say that he holds is blog to "journalistic standards"

Whose?  His?  BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[pravata]

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Here's the pinwheel I heard.  Justice said he heard the story from 4 people, 2 on the MLB masthead, 1, "if I said his name you'd know who it was".  They heard that Mclane said this. Justice says this, "they heard Mclane say it he may not have said it to Purpura, but he said it."  Did anyone else hear this slime?  How does Mclane order Purpura to do something if he never said it to him?

Not only that, but he also went on to say that he holds is blog to "journalistic standards", but that "bloggers" are "fat guys in their underwear".

He's quickly moving from the "amusing distraction" category to "despicable".

He is despicable and would be ignorable but because of his crap Purpura had to have private conversations with Oswalt, Clemens, and Lidge yesterday.  I'd ignore him but he's having an effect on the team.  He's not only an incompetent journalist, he's now taking to insulting his audience.

[Houston]

No real reporter would have a "blog" at the same time. Likewise, no real blogger would want the restraints and the bogus deadlines of a reporter.

Why in the world would the Houston Chronicle create a blog to have its writers think out loud (and be accountable for that) when their jobs are to objectively report what they see and hear? Columns are for sharing a writer's opinions.  

I had a journalism professor call reporting "the second-oldest profession." Richard Justice shows why that's the reputation.

He put himself in this position when he chose to write a blog at the same time he was employed as a reporter. He blurred the lines in his own profession and now he doesn't know how to unblur them.

[ASTROCREEP]

I hate Justice just as much as the next guy, I hate people who think they are way more important than they actually are. BUT, why is it so hard to believe Drayton said "you must trade Lidge" then deny it. Ofcourse he has to deny it now, Lidge is still on the team.

I am inclined to believe in the players. I truly believe Oswalt just wants to stay in Houston and be paid like an ace as he should.

[pravata]

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I hate Justice just as much as the next guy, I hate people who think they are way more important than they actually are. BUT, why is it so hard to believe Drayton said "you must trade Lidge" then deny it. Ofcourse he has to deny it now, Lidge is still on the team.

I am inclined to believe in the players. I truly believe Oswalt just wants to stay in Houston and be paid like an ace as he should.

That's some good circular logic you got there.  What if Mclane didn't say it?  The guy who wrote that he said it now says that maybe he didn't say it to his General Manager but to a bunch of reporters at MLB.

[MusicMan]

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why is it so hard to believe Drayton said "you must trade Lidge" then deny it. Ofcourse he has to deny it now, Lidge is still on the team.

So did Purpura activvely disobey McLane?

Not to rehash, but one of three things happened:
1.  Justice and his source were wrong.
2.  McLane lied, and Purpura failed to get ANYTHING offered for Lidge.
3.  McLane lied, AND turned around and told Purpura, "never mind - don't trade him", but in a scenario that Justice's source - who HEARD the previous order - did not hear.

Occam's razor - which one of these is the simplest, and most likely?

[ASTROCREEP]

or Mclane told "someone", but never gave Pup the official "go get it done"

Mclane said he never said it period. As he should Lidge is still on the team.

[BudGirl]

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BUT, why is it so hard to believe Drayton said "you must trade Lidge" then deny it. Ofcourse he has to deny it now, Lidge is still on the team.

Why is it so hard to believe Justice didn't just make it up?

Why is it so hard to believe McLane has nothing to deny?

Why is it so hard to believe Lidge is still on the team because there were no trades worth making?

Personally, I think the two jackasses at the Chron wanted to stir up a pot of shit and they did.

[jasonact]

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Why is it so hard to believe Justice didn't just make it up?
Why is it so hard to believe McLane has nothing to deny?
Why is it so hard to believe Lidge is still on the team because there were no trades worth making?
Personally, I think the two jackasses at the Chron wanted to stir up a pot of shit and they did.

Exactly. The point is that Oswalt, Lidge, Everett, Ensberg, and everyone else is still on the team. Of course things can still happen if they pass through waivers, but this is our team.

I think the main priority now becomes signing Oswalt past 2007, which may have already been the main priority. Look to upgrade the offense in the off season, but get Oswalt on board ASAP.

[davek]

All those dipsticks at the Comical have "blogs" now...

Not that it makes The Dick any less accountable but that turd Jose d? Jesus is just as despicable...

Earlier this week on 610 he was relating how he was in the locker room and overheard Lidge mutter some not so kind remarks about starting pitching in general and Oswalt in particular...

Worried that Roy didn't catch the remarks JdJ takes it upon himself to run over and say "Hey Roy, didya hear what Lidge just said?"...

He was so proud of himself stirring the crap up...

What a punk...

[No? in Austin]

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No real reporter would have a "blog" at the same time. Likewise, no real blogger would want the restraints and the bogus deadlines of a reporter.

*DING, DING, DING*  These Chron guys are in waaaaay over their head on this one.  They have no clue what blogging is about and to ascribe "journalistic standards" to it is laughable if not insulting to anyone with a modicum of common sense of what blogs are all about.

It's all about the internet version of reality television.  Imagine "The Real World" being categorized as similar standards as the famed "Hallmark Presents" drama series of old?

Somewhere Grantland Rice just rolled over in his grave.

[pravata]

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why is it so hard to believe Drayton said "you must trade Lidge" then deny it. Ofcourse he has to deny it now, Lidge is still on the team.

So did Purpura activvely disobey McLane?

Not to rehash, but one of three things happened:
1.  Justice and his source were wrong.
2.  McLane lied, and Purpura failed to get ANYTHING offered for Lidge.
3.  McLane lied, AND turned around and told Purpura, "never mind - don't trade him", but in a scenario that Justice's source - who HEARD the previous order - did not hear.

Occam's razor - which one of these is the simplest, and most likely?

Number 2 is demonstrably wrong.  Purpura had many offers for Lidge.  Had he been "ordered" to trade him, he could have done so in 10 minutes.  If anyone in the Astros office still knows how to fill out that paper work.

[ASTROCREEP]

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BUT, why is it so hard to believe Drayton said "you must trade Lidge" then deny it. Ofcourse he has to deny it now, Lidge is still on the team.

Why is it so hard to believe Justice didn't just make it up?

Why is it so hard to believe McLane has nothing to deny?

Why is it so hard to believe Lidge is still on the team because there were no trades worth making?

Personally, I think the two jackasses at the Chron wanted to stir up a pot of shit and they did.

"Why is it so hard to believe Lidge is still on the team because there were no trades worth making?"

Bingo!

This is what I think actually happened. And I believe Justice is a jackass and needs to stay out of Astros
business. And Drayton is capible of lying, it's part of business.

[Limey]

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I hate Justice just as much as the next guy, I hate people who think they are way more important than they actually are. BUT, why is it so hard to believe Drayton said "you must trade Lidge" then deny it. Ofcourse he has to deny it now, Lidge is still on the team.

Other people have answered this directly but, just to pile on, don't forget that Justice's credibility has been severely eroded on other issues around this trade deadline and in the past.  If Justice had the reputation of scoopmeister Mark Berman, then you'd be inclided to believe him.  But Justice has shown time and time again that he will go off half, or even no, cocked, then try to dig his way out of a hole with bullshit and obfuscation.

The name Pinwheel says it all.

[Browneye]

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All those dipsticks at the Comical have "blogs" now...

Not that it makes The Dick any less accountable but that turd Jose d? Jesus is just as despicable...

Earlier this week on 610 he was relating how he was in the locker room and overheard Lidge mutter some not so kind remarks about starting pitching in general and Oswalt in particular...

Worried that Roy didn't catch the remarks JdJ takes it upon himself to run over and say "Hey Roy, didya hear what Lidge just said?"...

He was so proud of himself stirring the crap up...

What a punk...

Yep, that dude strikes me as the kind of guy who got his ass kicked by the guys who got their ass kicked in high school.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

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I hate Justice just as much as the next guy, I hate people who think they are way more important than they actually are. BUT, why is it so hard to believe Drayton said "you must trade Lidge" then deny it. Ofcourse he has to deny it now, Lidge is still on the team.

I am inclined to believe in the players. I truly believe Oswalt just wants to stay in Houston and be paid like an ace as he should.

Because there were available deals for Lidge.  So, if there were available deals and McLane mandated a trade, Purpura's only choice was to pick the best deal.  That did not happen, as you pointed out.  That has led to all this speculation, among the other unsubstantiated reports of deals for Oswalt and Clemens, that maybe, just maybe, the two writers originating these reports (JDJO and Justice) made it up or got a little too jumpy about what they "thought" they heard.  

Sports writers don't even know how to be honest, let alone factual.  Read the articles and you will find obvious breakdowns in timelines, logic, and assertions.  None of the trades proposed for Oswalt make sense for Houston.  Not even if Oswalt had come out publicly stating there was no way he'd re-sign with Houston.  Regarding Lidge, when is the last time Houston sold low on a player after 1 bad season?  Especially a player of Lidge's accomplishments.  The Clemens story makes no sense to any outside Boston.  First, Clemens did not sign with Boston when he had the chance.  Second, McLane would never sell his top box office draw and concede a lost season.  It's not in his nature, based on any decision I've seen or read about.  Last, two differing quotes:

``If Drayton would have said yes to a trade, it would have been some story," said Randy Hendricks, Clemens's agent. ``My only regret is that the whole plan was to get Roger on a mound healthy in October. Now, he will be healthy in October, but probably not on any mound."


Randy Hendricks opted to remain mum on the issue.
"I don't have any comment on what may or may not have gone on," he said via email. "The trade deadline is past."

The first quote is from early yesterday, the second late yesterday.  Sounds to me like a bit of back-pedaling on an agents part.  And as a parting gift:

Clemens, who is not scheduled to pitch in San Diego but accompanied the team on this leg of the West Coast trip, doesn't know how far the talks progressed, if at all. He had not heard anything from his agents, Randy and Alan Hendricks, that would suggest so.

"I don't know if there were players offered, if they had it in that cocoon or if someone had to say yes or no," Clemens said.
 clemens trade article

So, either Clemens, McLane, and Purpura are lying or Justice, ESPN, and one sports agent are full of shit?  Feel free to reach whatever conclusion you choose, to me, it's fairly obvious there wasn't much substance to any of these reports.

[No? in Austin]

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Mclane said he never said it period. As he should Lidge is still on the team.

Okay, let's take what you're saying for it's face value:

*Drayton McLane, then, never ordered Tim Purpura to get rid of Lidge* - this is what was reported and made national news and radio.  Pinwheel even showed up on national radio and had a chance to clarify what he wrote in his blog "McLane *ordered* Purpura to trade Lidge", and he didn't.

Now the story is supposedly different.  Now the story is similar to me walking into the bathroom, having McLane in the stall next to me and me hearing him mumble to himself after watching Lidge give up a monster homerun to Connor Jackson in the ninth "Durn it, Purpura should try to get rid of Lidge... *sigh*".  Is *THAT* newsworthy?  Is *THAT* was then got distorted into a news report out of a blog?

We've talked about restraint in here in the last few days because it is a standard that used to be ascribed to by journalist, especially sports journalist.  Babe Ruth may of had a few situations in his life that reporters knew happened but they never put that in the papers.  It was not newsworthy because it did not pass muster in the restraint meter.

But we live in the reality show society nowadays, so we allow Pinwheel and others to function without regard to restraint.  We get what we ask for from our media and that's kind of sad.

[JimR]

because he said he did not. you think he is a liar. i do not.

[Limey]

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because he said he did not. you think he is a liar. i do not.

Even if you think that Drayton might lie about something like this, for PR purposes perhaps, you have to look at the other side of the equation.  On the other side sits a no-talent, limelight-seeking, jock-sniffer who's been shunned by the team for a while now.

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BUT, why is it so hard to believe Drayton said "you must trade Lidge" then deny it. Ofcourse he has to deny it now, Lidge is still on the team.

Why is it so hard to believe Justice didn't just make it up?

Why is it so hard to believe McLane has nothing to deny?

Why is it so hard to believe Lidge is still on the team because there were no trades worth making?

Personally, I think the two jackasses at the Chron wanted to stir up a pot of shit and they did.

"Why is it so hard to believe Lidge is still on the team because there were no trades worth making?"

Bingo!

This is what I think actually happened. And I believe Justice is a jackass and needs to stay out of Astros
business. And Drayton is capible of lying, it's part of business.

We have many many examples of Justice saying one thing one day, and the opposite the next.  He revels in it.  Here's what he said about Mclane re Lidge

"I'm told Drayton McLane ordered Purpura to trade Brad Lidge. I got this information from an official with another team. I would expect the Astros to deny it."
 
"I was also told the Astros are frantic to make a trade after Roger Clemens urged McLane to do something. McLane, perhaps overreacting, practically ordered Purpura to do something."

"Did Drayton McLane order him traded? I was told he had. McLane has flatly denied this."

(If I were you, I'd believe me, but that's just me.)
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Notice how many outs he gives himself in these statements.  Today he says it was people at MLB who told him they heard about this.  Today he says maybe Mclane didn't actually say this to Purpura.  OK, McLane is a businessman.  He's automatically suspect.  But, he's not pretending he has any other concern than his business.  What's Justice's excuse?

[BudGirl]

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or Mclane told "someone", but never gave Pup the official "go get it done"

Mclane said he never said it period. As he should Lidge is still on the team.

Okay, let's take what you're saying for it's face value:

*Drayton McLane, then, never ordered Tim Purpura to get rid of Lidge* - this is what was reported and made national news and radio.  Pinwheel even showed up on national radio and had a chance to clarify what he wrote in his blog "McLane *ordered* Purpura to trade Lidge", and he didn't.

Now the story is supposedly different.  Now the story is similar to me walking into the bathroom, having McLane in the stall next to me and me hearing him mumble to himself after watching Lidge give up a monster homerun to Connor Jackson in the ninth "Durn it, Purpura should try to get rid of Lidge... *sigh*".  Is *THAT* newsworthy?  Is *THAT* was then got distorted into a news report out of a blog?

We've talked about restraint in here in the last few days because it is a standard that used to be ascribed to by journalist, especially sports journalist.  Babe Ruth may of had a few situations in his life that reporters knew happened but they never put that in the papers.  It was not newsworthy because it did not pass muster in the restraint meter.

But we live in the reality show society nowadays, so we allow Pinwheel and others to function without regard to restraint.  We get what we ask for from our media and that's kind of sad.

I have decided that McLane was talking to Biggio's mouse.

[MusicMan]

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Damn that mouse... no cheese for a week!

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I hate Justice just as much as the next guy, I hate people who think they are way more important than they actually are. BUT, why is it so hard to believe Drayton said "you must trade Lidge" then deny it. Ofcourse he has to deny it now, Lidge is still on the team.

Other people have answered this directly but, just to pile on, don't forget that Justice's credibility has been severely eroded on other issues around this trade deadline and in the past.  If Justice had the reputation of scoopmeister Mark Berman, then you'd be inclided to believe him.  But Justice has shown time and time again that he will go off half, or even no, cocked, then try to dig his way out of a hole with bullshit and obfuscation.

The name Pinwheel says it all.

Justice reminds me of that journalist who tried to be the first one to report the US Supreme Courts decision on the Bush/Gore count/recount fight. She camped in front of the court in Washington, and when it was released, she only read like the first page of this 100 page document and quickly went on the air to say that the count would start again and that it was a huge defeat for Bush, sealing the presidency for Gore. I have not seen her since. These people try to make a name for themselves by being the first with the scoop when emotions are high and end up makeing a total ass out of themselves. Maybe if we can get some 70's stache, we can make Justice the Geraldo of the sports world.

If they would just do a little research, and not fly off with some BS so they can get on the Dan Patrick Show, maybe this type of crap wouldnt happen.

[No? in Austin]

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because he said he did not. you think he is a liar. i do not.

I love the way you bottomline everything.  It is ultimately about calling a man a liar in public.  So now the chronicle has in the last ten years said this about Drayton McLane:

* "McLane is no better than a highway robber" - Fran Blinebury

* "Where there is smoke, there is fire.  Drayton McLane is a racist of the worst kind" - John Lopez

* "Drayton McLane ordered Tim Purpura to trade Brad Lidge" - Richard Justice.  After McLane issued his denial, "What did you expect him to say?" - Richard Justice

You know, I don't know why it's important to tear down a man's character all in the name of sports.  I really don't.  Who are they pandering to?  Me?  I don't want this sort of half-baked, gossipy, old biddy, paranoya induced bullshit.  I never asked for it and I never will.  In fact, if you come to my door with this sort of crap, I'd ask you to leave politely the first time and slam the door in your face the second time.

So who is left for them to talk to like this?  It's fun to tear down a man's integrity in public?  Is this the nuevo stocks to mock the sinner in the public square and Pinwheel and his ilk are the new puritans?

Oh my goodness!

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BUT, why is it so hard to believe Drayton said "you must trade Lidge" then deny it. Ofcourse he has to deny it now, Lidge is still on the team.

Why is it so hard to believe Justice didn't just make it up?

Why is it so hard to believe McLane has nothing to deny?

Why is it so hard to believe Lidge is still on the team because there were no trades worth making?

Personally, I think the two jackasses at the Chron wanted to stir up a pot of shit and they did.

"Why is it so hard to believe Lidge is still on the team because there were no trades worth making?"

Bingo!

This is what I think actually happened. And I believe Justice is a jackass and needs to stay out of Astros
business. And Drayton is capible of lying, it's part of business.

We have many many examples of Justice saying one thing one day, and the opposite the next.  He revels in it.  Here's what he said about Mclane re Lidge

"I'm told Drayton McLane ordered Purpura to trade Brad Lidge. I got this information from an official with another team. I would expect the Astros to deny it."
 
"I was also told the Astros are frantic to make a trade after Roger Clemens urged McLane to do something. McLane, perhaps overreacting, practically ordered Purpura to do something."

"Did Drayton McLane order him traded? I was told he had. McLane has flatly denied this."

(If I were you, I'd believe me, but that's just me.)
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Notice how many outs he gives himself in these statements.  Today he says it was people at MLB who told him they heard about this.  Today he says maybe Mclane didn't actually say this to Purpura.  OK, McLane is a businessman.  He's automatically suspect.  But, he's not pretending he has any other concern than his business.  What's Justice's excuse?

And then throws out there, "well, if I told you something about this person who I heard it from, you would know who it was."  It's total bullshit.  Is that supposed to impress us somehow?

Oh, well son of a bitch Dick, why didn't you say so?  When you put it like that, of course we believe you.

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because he said he did not. you think he is a liar. i do not.

I love the way you bottomline everything.  It is ultimately about calling a man a liar in public.  So now the chronicle has in the last ten years said this about Drayton McLane:

* "McLane is no better than a highway robber" - Fran Blinebury

* "Where there is smoke, there is fire.  Drayton McLane is a racist of the worst kind" - John Lopez

* "Drayton McLane ordered Tim Purpura to trade Brad Lidge" - Richard Justice.  After McLane issued his denial, "What did you expect him to say?" - Richard Justice

You know, I don't know why it's important to tear down a man's character all in the name of sports.  I really don't.  Who are they pandering to?  Me?  I don't want this sort of half-baked, gossipy, old biddy, paranoya induced bullshit.  I never asked for it and I never will.  In fact, if you come to my door with this sort of crap, I'd ask you to leave politely the first time and slam the door in your face the second time.

So who is left for them to talk to like this?  It's fun to tear down a man's integrity in public?  Is this the nuevo stocks to mock the sinner in the public square and Pinwheel and his ilk are the new puritans?

Oh my goodness!

The unfortunate thing is that he's having an affect on the team.  If not for that, he'd be easily ignorable.  Especially from now on.  Who in their right mind is going to believe he has any access?  He's now in the same boat as the rest of us, in our underpants, sitting in front of computers.  That's what he thinks of his readers.

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And then throws out there, "well, if I told you something about this person who I heard it from, you would know who it was."

Everyone knows who Bob Watson is, so what?  Is this supposed to impress me somehow that Bob Watson has an opinion like anyone else?

[Limey]

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And then throws out there, "well, if I told you something about this person who I heard it from, you would know who it was."  It's total bullshit.  Is that supposed to impress us somehow?

It's supposed to imply that the source is credible, but it says nothing.  I know who many people are, from the Queen of England to Mel Gibson to Osama bin Laden.  Doesn't make 'em a good source for this rumour.

[Ty in Tampa]

Justice is not a reporter in the journalistic sense. He may "report" things but he is employed as a columnist at the Houston Chronicle. He is paid to give his opinion, not necessarily facts. A blog seems like just another outlet to spew forth his blather.

[MusicMan]

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He's now in the same boat as the rest of us, in our underpants, sitting in front of computers.  That's what he thinks of his readers.

And boy, is my boss going to be pissed when he sees that's what I wore to work today!

[No? in Austin]

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The unfortunate thing is that he's having an affect on the team.  If not for that, he'd be easily ignorable.  Especially from now on.  Who in their right mind is going to believe he has any access?  He's now in the same boat as the rest of us, in our underpants, sitting in front of computers.  That's what he thinks of his readers.

Eggsxactly!

It's one thing to pander to the least common denominator called the sports fanatic, who at their best are looking for escape from the drudgery of everyday life and want to enjoy some sports entertainment.  Rational, smashtional... just gimme my sports!  They're easy prey for a puritan nowadays I suppose.

But this went beyond that in that it made national news for some unknown reason and now actual players were having to address non-issues.  Luckily Brad Lidge is not an irrational sports fan prone to having his chain yanked by the puritans.  He thought it through and politely called "Bullshit" on the whole matter.

I think more of the Brad Lidge-like people exist in sports now than Pinwheel and others understand, so the in a way it's sad for them that they have to try to put a man on public display for humilation and only a handful of idiots show up for their party.

[Houston]

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Justice is not a reporter in the journalistic sense. He may "report" things but he is employed as a columnist at the Houston Chronicle. He is paid to give his opinion, not necessarily facts.

That's generally true, but not entirely. He is paid to give his opinions in his columns, but if the opinions aren't based in fact, they are just speculation. He is paid to write a fact-based opinion sports-related piece. His blog undermines his credibility, assuming he ever had any.

[Outlawscotty]

Has anyone heard from the oppressed Mike Flanagan?  Would they cover this up as well?  How about any official from the Rangers?  Mariners?  Red Sox? in an interview?  This is an attempt to undermine the home team.  JdJO is obviously a NY homer from his previous days.  Justice's head is larger than Bonds because of his TV deals.  He is creating news for the sake of a story.  Just like Stephen Glass.  'FIRED', should be the parting words.

[Ty in Tampa]

I personally don't associate credibility with columnists. Unfortunately, much of the population does.

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I personally don't associate credibility with columnists. Unfortunately, much of the population does.

Much of the population is merely fodder for ridicule.  Lidge and Oswalt is who concerns me.

[Limey]

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I personally don't associate credibility with columnists. Unfortunately, much of the population does.

Punditry has replaced reporting in almost all aspects of the news.  Why should sports news be any different?

[Gizzmonic]

Do you suppose Roy is talking this thing up to put pressure on the front office, hoping to be assuaged with an AJ Burnett-like deal?  Because it seems like he's popping off just a little too much be completely on the up-and-up.

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I personally don't associate credibility with columnists. Unfortunately, much of the population does.

Much of the population is merely fodder for ridicule.  Lidge and Oswalt is who concerns me.

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Do you suppose Roy is talking this thing up to put pressure on the front office, hoping to be assuaged with an AJ Burnett-like deal?  Because it seems like he's popping off just a little too much be completely on the up-and-up.

Roy has not changed his tune one bit from before the season.  He's saying what he's always said.  Ortiz especially has an agenda, he wants a story of bad blood. He blew the All Star pick out of proportion, now this.  I'm not saying that Oswalt isn't going where the money is, he hasn't been coy about that.  I'm saying this is nothing new.  Another factor involved in some of his public comments earlier is that there was talk from management about a month ago that they wanted veterans to step up and be more vocal, show some leaderhip.  Oswalt may have been responding to that.  However, it's difficult for a pitcher to lead a baseball team.  He doesn't have the same effect as Bagwell's "traveling horse shit show".

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Do you suppose Roy is talking this thing up to put pressure on the front office, hoping to be assuaged with an AJ Burnett-like deal?  Because it seems like he's popping off just a little too much be completely on the up-and-up.

Yes.  Roy Oswalt has an agent and by proxy they're paid to do anything they have to do to get the team to the negotiation table when the timing is right.  You don't give *time* to the other side in a negotiation.  Time changes things.  So you float things out there like "I may test the free agent waters" and such.  The players mouth is moving, but it's the agent's words coming out of it.

Not that it's bad, it is what it is.  The problem with Roy's outspoken ways lately is that his filter is out of whack... he's talking about everything... including other players and that last part is not good.

I wish they would give him a contract extention offer that had a proviso in it: Shut the fuck up and pitch!

[JimR]

he sounds more like Billy Wagner every day. that also is not good.

[Gizzmonic]

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Do you suppose Roy is talking this thing up to put pressure on the front office, hoping to be assuaged with an AJ Burnett-like deal?  Because it seems like he's popping off just a little too much be completely on the up-and-up.

Yes.  Roy Oswalt has an agent and by proxy they're paid to do anything they have to do to get the team to the negotiation table when the timing is right.  You don't give *time* to the other side in a negotiation.  Time changes things.  So you float things out there like "I may test the free agent waters" and such.  The players mouth is moving, but it's the agent's words coming out of it.

Not that it's bad, it is what it is.  The problem with Roy's outspoken ways lately is that his filter is out of whack... he's talking about everything... including other players and that last part is not good.

I wish they would give him a contract extention offer that had a proviso in it: Shut the fuck up and pitch!

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It's supposed to imply that the source is credible, but it says nothing.  I know who many people are, from the Queen of England to Mel Gibson to Osama bin Laden.  Doesn't make 'em a good source for this rumour.

I think that's supposed to be from the Queen of England to the hounds of Hell, not Mel Gibson or bin Laden or... um, well, never mind.

[No? in Austin]

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Has Justice become a Tool of Roy?

Or is he just a tool?

I don't know about Pinwheel and Oswalt, but there is something to be said about he quasi-relationship of JDJO and Roy.  Let's set some things straight before we go any further:

Justice isn't well liked nor respected in the Astros clubhouse.  Jeff Kent wanted to beat the crap out of him and then just settled on no talking to him any more.  Brad Aumsus is supposedly very sarcastic around Pinwheel because he knows Pinwheel will just write whatever the hell he wants any way.  I don't think Richard Justices cares one bit about making friends or enemies of the players.  He cares about Richard Justice or Richard Justice's career (national level and local).  He is out for himself and a player is just fodder for that gain, positive or negative.

Now on to Jose Jesus De Ortiz De La Mancha, the man who would slay the windmills of injustice as it were.  JDJO is wanting to get involved in a player's life.  He is a writer that is prone towards the "inside, what makes a player tick" type of writer.  Sort of the Roy Firestone, I don't want to cry when I come on your show, type of writer.  He digs deep and badgers his way into the life of these players.  Players family, friends, relatives, pastors, anybody associated with them is fair game for him to pester to get to the real man.  So it stands to reason he gets close to a guy like Roy Oswalt (or a Billy Wagner) and feeds the feeling these guys can get when upset.  

"You're right man, they're out to get you... so tell me... how does that make you feel?"

All for the love of the story.

He's not a very good reporter in many ways because he's sloppy with facts.  They get in the way of the real story, the inside story, the way a player feels, the emotion of it all.  He's a pest in some people's eyes because he's always around trying to get in there and burrow his way into the life of these guys.  His book about last year's rise to the WS (actually more about the last two years) is the compiled notes he took while working as a beat reporter.  He spent time with the Oswalt family getting their perspective on things and some other players too.

So he's coming across as a tool for Roy, but it's not true necessarily.  He's going along for the ride so he can get the lowdown dirt from the outspoken one (Oswalt).  Something has to fill his void now that Billy Wagner is gone.

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Has Justice become a Tool of Roy?

Or is he just a tool?

I don't know about Pinwheel and Oswalt, but there is something to be said about he quasi-relationship of JDJO and Roy.  Let's set some things straight before we go any further:

Justice isn't well liked nor respected in the Astros clubhouse.  Jeff Kent wanted to beat the crap out of him and then just settled on no talking to him any more.  Brad Aumsus is supposedly very sarcastic around Pinwheel because he knows Pinwheel will just write whatever the hell he wants any way.  I don't think Richard Justices cares one bit about making friends or enemies of the players.  He cares about Richard Justice or Richard Justice's career (national level and local).  He is out for himself and a player is just fodder for that gain, positive or negative.

Now on to Jose Jesus De Ortiz De La Mancha, the man who would slay the windmills of injustice as it were.  JDJO is wanting to get involved in a player's life.  He is a writer that is prone towards the "inside, what makes a player tick" type of writer.  Sort of the Roy Firestone, I don't want to cry when I come on your show, type of writer.  He digs deep and badgers his way into the life of these players.  Players family, friends, relatives, pastors, anybody associated with them is fair game for him to pester to get to the real man.  So it stands to reason he gets close to a guy like Roy Oswalt (or a Billy Wagner) and feeds the feeling these guys can get when upset.  

"You're right man, they're out to get you... so tell me... how does that make you feel?"

All for the love of the story.

He's not a very good reporter in many ways because he's sloppy with facts.  They get in the way of the real story, the inside story, the way a player feels, the emotion of it all.  He's a pest in some people's eyes because he's always around trying to get in there and burrow his way into the life of these guys.  His book about last year's rise to the WS (actually more about the last two years) is the compiled notes he took while working as a beat reporter.  He spent time with the Oswalt family getting their perspective on things and some other players too.

So he's coming across as a tool for Roy, but it's not true necessarily.  He's going along for the ride so he can get the lowdown dirt from the outspoken one (Oswalt).  Something has to fill his void now that Billy Wagner is gone.

JdeJO even tried to make something of the Pettitte or Oswalt pinch hitting choice earlier in the season.

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Has Justice become a Tool of Roy?

Or is he just a tool?

I don't know about Pinwheel and Oswalt, but there is something to be said about he quasi-relationship of JDJO and Roy.  Let's set some things straight before we go any further:

Justice isn't well liked nor respected in the Astros clubhouse.  Jeff Kent wanted to beat the crap out of him and then just settled on no talking to him any more.  Brad Aumsus is supposedly very sarcastic around Pinwheel because he knows Pinwheel will just write whatever the hell he wants any way.  I don't think Richard Justices cares one bit about making friends or enemies of the players.  He cares about Richard Justice or Richard Justice's career (national level and local).  He is out for himself and a player is just fodder for that gain, positive or negative.

Now on to Jose Jesus De Ortiz De La Mancha, the man who would slay the windmills of injustice as it were.  JDJO is wanting to get involved in a player's life.  He is a writer that is prone towards the "inside, what makes a player tick" type of writer.  Sort of the Roy Firestone, I don't want to cry when I come on your show, type of writer.  He digs deep and badgers his way into the life of these players.  Players family, friends, relatives, pastors, anybody associated with them is fair game for him to pester to get to the real man.  So it stands to reason he gets close to a guy like Roy Oswalt (or a Billy Wagner) and feeds the feeling these guys can get when upset.  

"You're right man, they're out to get you... so tell me... how does that make you feel?"

All for the love of the story.

He's not a very good reporter in many ways because he's sloppy with facts.  They get in the way of the real story, the inside story, the way a player feels, the emotion of it all.  He's a pest in some people's eyes because he's always around trying to get in there and burrow his way into the life of these guys.  His book about last year's rise to the WS (actually more about the last two years) is the compiled notes he took while working as a beat reporter.  He spent time with the Oswalt family getting their perspective on things and some other players too.

So he's coming across as a tool for Roy, but it's not true necessarily.  He's going along for the ride so he can get the lowdown dirt from the outspoken one (Oswalt).  Something has to fill his void now that Billy Wagner is gone.

Is Justice really worth this long paragraph.

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The windmills Sancho, the WINDMILLS!!!