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« on: July 30, 2006, 05:53:52 pm »
Crap.  And we could have had Wilkerson for him last night.

Now, I bet we can't even have season tickets to Six Flags.
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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2006, 05:55:05 pm »
From one of the top 2 closers in the game to a bad joke in less than a year.  Wow.
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2006, 05:57:24 pm »
I would kill to find out what exactly happpened.  How did he go from literally unhittable to literally useless in a matter of months?
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2006, 06:01:59 pm »
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I would kill to find out what exactly happpened.  How did he go from literally unhittable to literally useless in a matter of months?



No idea.  All I know is he will soon be forgotten everywhere except for his association with Albert Pujols.  You will not be able to think of Lidge without Pujols or Pujols without Lidge.  Lidge's legacy: "Hey, isn't he the guy Pujols hit that ballistic blast off in the playoffs?".  He'll be lucky to be a trivial pursuit question.

I'm not even saying that Pujols is what happened to him.  Lidge was on the decline by the time he faced Pujols (the blown save to the cubs, the gritty innings in the playoffs to that point).  But that, my friends, is what he will be remembered for.

Edited to add: oh, and also for the walk-off homer to Podsednik in Game 2.  
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2006, 06:21:16 pm »
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I would kill to find out what exactly happpened.  How did he go from literally unhittable to literally useless in a matter of months?



No idea.  All I know is he will soon be forgotten everywhere except for his association with Albert Pujols.  You will not be able to think of Lidge without Pujols or Pujols without Lidge.  Lidge's legacy: "Hey, isn't he the guy Pujols hit that ballistic blast off in the playoffs?".  He'll be lucky to be a trivial pursuit question.

I'm not even saying that Pujols is what happened to him.  Lidge was on the decline by the time he faced Pujols (the blown save to the cubs, the gritty innings in the playoffs to that point).  But that, my friends, is what he will be remembered for.

Edited to add: oh, and also for the walk-off homer to Podsednik in Game 2.  

That may be his legacy, and that would be fair if he doesn't turn it around and lead some team to a World Series championship, a la Eckersley.  Yeah, he's connected with Kirk Gibson forever, but I think he sleeps ok at night.

What I can't abide are the idiots - mostly made up of lazy reporters/pundits/talk-show hosts, who would rather pyschoanalyze than do any research - who are convinced the Pujols bomb *changed* him instantaneously.  If anyone would care to look back at the final clinching series against the Cubs, they'd see that he was already headed downhill.  He gave up his first save in 3 months in the last week of the regular season and looked pretty mortal against the likes of Michael Barrett and Matt Murton.  I think he was fairly shaky in the Braves series as well.  Pujols just exposed him for what he was turning into during that final stretch of appearances.
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2006, 06:23:07 pm »
I don't think it's fair to say that that will be all he will be remembered for, especially in Houston. The bandwagon fans may hate him forever, but if even if he never does a good thing for this team again, I'll remember his part in the 6-pitcher no-no, him striking out 150+ batters in one season, him saving nearly half the wins in 2005, etc. etc.
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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2006, 06:33:27 pm »
are you fucking kidding me? I went to the HEB to get some BBQ supplies thinking this was an easy Astros win before the big deal goes down. I return to Big Bad Brad giving up another game-winning homer.

So what was it this time? Flying open again? Bad location? Or did he throw his pitch and just get beat by Conor Jackson?
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« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2006, 06:37:36 pm »
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are you fucking kidding me? I went to the HEB to get some BBQ supplies thinking this was an easy Astros win before the big deal goes down. I return to Big Bad Brad giving up another game-winning homer.

So what was it this time? Flying open again? Bad location? Or did he throw his pitch and just get beat by Conor Jackson?



Fastball up and in that Jackson tomahawked into the first couple of rows down the left field line.  The pitch wasn't bad.
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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2006, 06:40:25 pm »
Well....shitfuckcocksuck.

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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2006, 06:45:05 pm »
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are you fucking kidding me? I went to the HEB to get some BBQ supplies thinking this was an easy Astros win before the big deal goes down. I return to Big Bad Brad giving up another game-winning homer.

So what was it this time? Flying open again? Bad location? Or did he throw his pitch and just get beat by Conor Jackson?



Fastball up and in that Jackson tomahawked into the first couple of rows down the left field line.  The pitch wasn't bad.

Fact is, though, hitters just don't seem bamboozled and intimidated by the threat of the *nasty* slider anymore.  Most right handers sit fastball and ignore anything that breaks outside.  And lefties are feasting on the once-unhittable pitch that too often breaks right into the inner half.  Even if he is *fixed* he may need a third pitch, as batters have adjusted their overall approach to the slider, trying to take it out of the equation.
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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2006, 09:13:04 pm »
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are you fucking kidding me? I went to the HEB to get some BBQ supplies thinking this was an easy Astros win before the big deal goes down. I return to Big Bad Brad giving up another game-winning homer.

So what was it this time? Flying open again? Bad location? Or did he throw his pitch and just get beat by Conor Jackson?



Fastball up and in that Jackson tomahawked into the first couple of rows down the left field line.  The pitch wasn't bad.



Not bad, just predictable and a little more over the meat of the plate than intended from what I saw.  The guy still has to hit it and that's exactly what Jackson did.  Although, I'd say he did more than tomahawk that pitch.
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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2006, 09:28:04 pm »
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Crap.  And we could have had Wilkerson for him last night.



Was that seriously an option? If so, why did we pass that up?
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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2006, 09:29:50 pm »
That was seriously an option and you'll have to wait for the Astros brass to start posting to know why.
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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2006, 09:48:22 pm »
Talk about selling low.  Lidge for Wilkerson? No.Freaking.Way.
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« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2006, 09:53:04 pm »
Because as-is, Brad Lidge is worth, what?
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« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2006, 10:00:26 pm »
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Because as-is, Brad Lidge is worth, what?

I have no idea.  But I'd rather keep him and have him SUCK the rest of the season than give him up for a glorified utility player.  I'd take my chances that in the meantime he can work out his mechanical/control issues and maybe work on that cut-fastball, or whatever it is he tried against Griffey.

He's far more likely to carry greater value than Brad Wilkerson over the next two to three years, either in trade or retained in the Stros relief corps.
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« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2006, 10:14:30 pm »
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Because as-is, Brad Lidge is worth, what?



I'm sure you could find a team in the offseason willing to give up more than their version of Preston Wilson. If Brad Lidge is worth Brad Wilkerson then we should keep him until he's worth more than Brad Wilkerson. Just start using Lidge in less important situations.
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« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2006, 10:16:38 pm »
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He's far more likely to carry greater value than Brad Wilkerson over the next two to three years, either in trade or retained in the Stros relief corps.



What do you base this off of?   I'm being quite serious.
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« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2006, 10:38:16 pm »
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He's far more likely to carry greater value than Brad Wilkerson over the next two to three years, either in trade or retained in the Stros relief corps.



What do you base this off of?   I'm being quite serious.

Nothing other than personal opinion based on their histories and what I perceive to be their potential over the next several years.  I think Lidge is more likely to be The Lidge again.  If Wilkerson maximizes his potential he'll never be The Wilkerson.  But he is a very good hitter, no denying that, and has demonstrated success over a longer period than has Lidge.
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« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2006, 10:41:09 pm »
Yeah, I don't share your enthusiasm.

Can someone with better records than me please show us Lidge's history of incredible arm injuries and problems?
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« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2006, 10:45:31 pm »
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Yeah, I don't share your enthusiasm.

Can someone with better records than me please show us Lidge's history of incredible arm injuries and problems?

Granted, but when was the last time he was hurt?  Or do you think he's hiding some sort of injury now and his compensating for it is leading to such bad results?  He's been a rock, but maybe with his awkward motion he's headed for a major reconstructive surgery.  If that's the general consensus I wonder why other teams would covet him?
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« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2006, 10:49:07 pm »
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are you fucking kidding me? I went to the HEB to get some BBQ supplies thinking this was an easy Astros win before the big deal goes down. I return to Big Bad Brad giving up another game-winning homer.

So what was it this time? Flying open again? Bad location? Or did he throw his pitch and just get beat by Conor Jackson?



Lidge should never have been in that position.  Astros were up 5 to 1 in the 8th, when Qualls gave up 4 runs.  True, Lidge did not do his job, but to pin this loss on him is BS.
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« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2006, 10:53:51 pm »
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are you fucking kidding me? I went to the HEB to get some BBQ supplies thinking this was an easy Astros win before the big deal goes down. I return to Big Bad Brad giving up another game-winning homer.

So what was it this time? Flying open again? Bad location? Or did he throw his pitch and just get beat by Conor Jackson?



Lidge should never have been in that position.  Astros were up 5 to 1 in the 8th, when Qualls gave up 4 runs.  True, Lidge did not do his job, but to pin this loss on him is BS.



He played a part in it even if the pitch Jackson took out wasn't all that bad of a pitch. You can't ignore the part Lidge played in the loss. I don't think you can continue to rely on him in non mop-up situations.
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« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2006, 10:56:27 pm »
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are you fucking kidding me? I went to the HEB to get some BBQ supplies thinking this was an easy Astros win before the big deal goes down. I return to Big Bad Brad giving up another game-winning homer.

So what was it this time? Flying open again? Bad location? Or did he throw his pitch and just get beat by Conor Jackson?



Lidge should never have been in that position.  Astros were up 5 to 1 in the 8th, when Qualls gave up 4 runs.  True, Lidge did not do his job, but to pin this loss on him is BS.



He played a part in it even if the pitch Jackson took out wasn't all that bad of a pitch. You can't ignore the part Lidge played in the loss. I don't think you can continue to rely on him in non mop-up situations.  



Was Saturday night a mop-up situation?
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« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2006, 11:15:59 pm »
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are you fucking kidding me? I went to the HEB to get some BBQ supplies thinking this was an easy Astros win before the big deal goes down. I return to Big Bad Brad giving up another game-winning homer.

So what was it this time? Flying open again? Bad location? Or did he throw his pitch and just get beat by Conor Jackson?



Lidge should never have been in that position.  Astros were up 5 to 1 in the 8th, when Qualls gave up 4 runs.  True, Lidge did not do his job, but to pin this loss on him is BS.



He played a part in it even if the pitch Jackson took out wasn't all that bad of a pitch. You can't ignore the part Lidge played in the loss. I don't think you can continue to rely on him in non mop-up situations.  



Was Saturday night a mop-up situation?



Are you telling me you have confidence in Brad Lidge in close situations right now because he pitched well Saturday? I don't think Brad Lidge is a lost cause, but right now I would consider using some other guys in late inning situations.
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are you fucking kidding me? I went to the HEB to get some BBQ supplies thinking this was an easy Astros win before the big deal goes down. I return to Big Bad Brad giving up another game-winning homer.

So what was it this time? Flying open again? Bad location? Or did he throw his pitch and just get beat by Conor Jackson?



Lidge should never have been in that position.  Astros were up 5 to 1 in the 8th, when Qualls gave up 4 runs.  True, Lidge did not do his job, but to pin this loss on him is BS.



He played a part in it even if the pitch Jackson took out wasn't all that bad of a pitch. You can't ignore the part Lidge played in the loss. I don't think you can continue to rely on him in non mop-up situations.  



Was Saturday night a mop-up situation?



Are you telling me you have confidence in Brad Lidge in close situations right now because he pitched well Saturday? I don't think Brad Lidge is a lost cause, but right now I would consider using some other guys in late inning situations.



You do realize that Saturday was yesterday?
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« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2006, 11:20:39 pm »
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Lidge should never have been in that position.  Astros were up 5 to 1 in the 8th, when Qualls gave up 4 runs.  True, Lidge did not do his job, but to pin this loss on him is BS.


Officially, Revert Miller got the loss.  A little harsh to give it to him alone.  And...yes...this is how bad things are when I'm defending Trever Fucking Miller in the TZ.
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« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2006, 11:21:20 pm »
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You do realize that Saturday was yesterday?



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« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2006, 11:24:28 pm »
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Do you?



Absolutely. Glad to see we're on the same page.
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« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2006, 11:26:08 pm »
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Lidge should never have been in that position.  Astros were up 5 to 1 in the 8th, when Qualls gave up 4 runs.  True, Lidge did not do his job, but to pin this loss on him is BS.


Officially, Revert Miller got the loss.  A little harsh to give it to him alone.  And...yes...this is how bad things are when I'm defending Trever Fucking Miller in the TZ.

Wait, he's was going to be my next choice as closer!

Oh well, Qualls then.  Let's see, he was given what almost amounted to mopup duty this afternoon and coughed it up, although he was able to get an out prior to doing so.  And of course Friday night he hangs one to the EyeBlack Acrobat.  Wheeler, maybe?  He would be my choice right now if Lidge is gone by tomorrow.  Or if Lidge is still here on Tuesday, I'd have to wait and see the matchups if I'm Gar.
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« Reply #30 on: July 30, 2006, 11:52:33 pm »
of course you can, and you must
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« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2006, 12:30:16 am »
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No idea.  All I know is he will soon be forgotten everywhere except for his association with Albert Pujols.  You will not be able to think of Lidge without Pujols or Pujols without Lidge.  Lidge's legacy: "Hey, isn't he the guy Pujols hit that ballistic blast off in the playoffs?".  He'll be lucky to be a trivial pursuit question.



That's simply absurd.  That was a meaningless HR.  The only people who keep bringing it up are Jake fans looking to take their mind of the fact that the Astros punked them to get to the World Series.
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« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2006, 01:21:50 am »
exactly. that whole story line is so fucking stupid.
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« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2006, 02:35:55 am »
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No idea.  All I know is he will soon be forgotten everywhere except for his association with Albert Pujols.  You will not be able to think of Lidge without Pujols or Pujols without Lidge.  Lidge's legacy: "Hey, isn't he the guy Pujols hit that ballistic blast off in the playoffs?".  He'll be lucky to be a trivial pursuit question.



That's simply absurd.  That was a meaningless HR.  The only people who keep bringing it up are Jake fans looking to take their mind of the fact that the Astros punked them to get to the World Series.



Actually...it's not just Jake fans. It's fans all across MLB, and a good number of Astros fans as well.
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« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2006, 11:23:49 am »
and it is wrong, no matter who is saying it.
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« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2006, 11:25:00 am »
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Actually...it's not just Jake fans. It's fans all across MLB, and a good number of Astros fans as well.




Then they're fucking idiots.
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« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2006, 11:52:18 am »
No, no. LOTS of people are saying it.  On places like message boards and talk radio.

LOTS of people.
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« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2006, 03:30:19 pm »
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?I told Omar, just put (Lidge) out there with me,? Wagner, the Mets' closer, said via phone Monday morning. ?I?ll get him straightened out.?




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« Reply #38 on: July 31, 2006, 03:38:21 pm »
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I would kill to find out what exactly happpened.  How did he go from literally unhittable to literally useless in a matter of months?



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« Reply #39 on: July 31, 2006, 03:54:35 pm »
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Then they're fucking idiots.



Amen.  Those same people probably think Eckersley was never the same after Kirk Gibson.  Eight postseason appearances later, including two WS's, he finally bowed out of the limelight.  

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Then they're fucking idiots.



Never said anything to the contrary. Most sports fans [people] are idiots.
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« Reply #41 on: August 01, 2006, 02:41:59 am »
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