Author Topic: Nieve optioned out (Read 6039 times)

Bench · « **on:** July 21, 2006, 11:51:06 pm »

to make room for Backe, according to Garner during the post-game.

stubbyc · « **Reply #1 on:** July 22, 2006, 12:30:33 am »

Quote:

to make room for Backe, according to Garner during the post-game.

why?

Alkie · « **Reply #3 on:** July 22, 2006, 09:41:59 am »

Uhhh...Buchholz?

StargateSG1 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 22, 2006, 09:49:23 am »

I'd like to reiterate Stubbyc's question. Why? Nieve is 3-3 with a 4.32 ERA and coming off a good performance against the Mets. I vehemently disagree with this move.

And I'm also wondering why the Astros called up Albers from AA who has no major league experience. I'd rather have Nieve in the pen than Albers.

JimR · « **Reply #5 on:** July 22, 2006, 09:54:19 am »

oh, boy, another clark with questions. here we go again.

call Purpura. he'll be glad to answer them.

just curious, clarksie--did you get on some board and question the Astros when they brought Carlos Hernandez up from AA? perhaps they think Albers is ready?

juliogotay · « **Reply #6 on:** July 22, 2006, 11:01:40 am »

I don't think that's what he's asking. I think he wants to know why Nieve is going down more than why Albers is coming up and why Albers is such a option than Nieve. I'd like to know why Boroski, who Garner doesn't seem to have much confidence in, is a better option than Nieve.

StargateSG1 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 22, 2006, 12:17:26 pm »

Give me Tim's cell# and I'd be happy to call him. But it seems no one on this board can answer a question (that another more "experienced" poster asked).

A friend of mine advised that this board was an excellent place to discuss the Astros. I guess he was wrong....you seem more interested in insults than a good baseball discussion.

StargateSG1 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 22, 2006, 12:30:22 pm »

Or Chris Sampson for that matter. He's doing well at AAA and has a 1-0 record with a 3.52 ERA in 15.1 IP in the big leagues. Chris can start and relieve.

I'm not opposed to the Astros bringing a player up from AA to the big leagues to help. I'm just curious to know why Albers was a better option than Nieve and Sampson who both have big league experience. Their numbers aren't that bad either.

StargateSG1 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 22, 2006, 12:33:10 pm »

LHP Mike Gallo has cleared waivers. He has been removed from the 40 man roster.

StargateSG1 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 22, 2006, 12:39:01 pm »

Yet another wise guy. I hang around because I'm interested in Astros baseball. Duh! And no, I've been a fan of the Astros for 30+ years. Not about to leave them now.

Isn't this a baseball discussion. Anyone care to talk about the Astros without cursing, sarcasm. etc.

AllyDStros · « **Reply #15 on:** July 22, 2006, 01:10:04 pm »

Mike Gallo.

the link

Note that it's buried in all the stuff about Nieve being optioned.

StargateSG1 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 22, 2006, 01:11:12 pm »

I'm somewhat surprised. My wife (A huge Cubs fan - what can they say opposites attract I guess) joined a board similar to this one and the discussion was on point, no insults or cursing. I join an Astros board and the very first response to my post from a Texan (the "friendly" state) is a response I would expect out of my nephew. I just was curious to see someone answer a question another more experienced poster asked. But I'm the one who gets "attacked".

And no I'm not running to the Cubs site to "hold hands" and sing some 70s flower child Liberal peace song. I expected insightful discussions on baseball but it seems that some posters on this board are not interested in that.

StargateSG1 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 22, 2006, 01:27:54 pm »

I've got pretty thick skin and I don't intend to change anyone. I'll leave that to God.

Well, it's getting closer to game time. Time to kick my Cubs loving wife off the big screen, grab a few beers, and watch the Astros!

AllyDStros · « **Reply #19 on:** July 22, 2006, 01:29:56 pm »

You're being 'insulted' because you're coming in here and acting like you own the place. This is considered bad form *ANYWHERE* on the net, much less in a long-established community such as this.

You'll find when you come into communities like this that bonds (whether loving or hateful or otherwise) will have long since been established, so it's like moving into a block in a new neighborhood where everyone else has been neighbors for 25 years: You can either act in such a way where you endear yourself to the community and they pull you into their group, or you can act in such a way where you offend and alienate the community.

You did the latter. Is it any shock that the community reacted to you w/ sarcasm and suspicion? And it's not like they're out to specifically get YOU or something. This is standard operating procedure for trolls and your behavior doesn't distinguish you from them.

Be a little more respectful towards those you try to have conversations w/ (like, for instance, cut the 'you're insulting me, wah, wah' bullshit and just put your opinions out there.

And be prepared for people to shoot you down and to back yourself up. It's an adult discussion forum not a freakin' playdate. When someone challenges what you say, just back up your opinion w/ examples. If your opinion is inane or thoughtless, expect it to get shot down.

A lot of people don't abide by what they find to be bullshit here. If that doesn't appeal to you, maybe you should look elsewhere for your 'Stros discussion.

If it does, then just discuss and don't make having your opinion shot down personal because then you REALLY won't enjoy the experience.

(((jumps off GoodClark soapbox)))

AllyDStros · « **Reply #21 on:** July 22, 2006, 01:47:27 pm »

1) I think it's obvious that they made the decision a while ago that Taylor (whether it was potential or whatever) would be the 5th starter.

2) I have no idea why Borkowski didn't get sent down as infrequently as he's used. Maybe it's his ability to throw his pitches for strikes w/ regularity. Otherwise I'm clueless.

3) I think they wanted Wandy down (whether because of performance or attitude I haven't the slightest clue.) I think thye also wanted a hard thrower up in his place.

4) Nieve has options. That was the gist of Purpura's argument on the discussion.

5) With respect to why Albers and not just leaving Nieve up or bringing Sampson back up, well maybe, just maybe (like Jim R. said), he's ready. Maybe they wanted a power pitcher type up instead of a soft thrower. Maybe they wanted to infuse new blood into the pen.

Maybe they wanted to reward Albers for getting his shit together. Maybe they think he's a better overall fit for the bullpen than either Nieve or Sampson (or Wandy for that matter).

Or maybe it's a combination of all of the above. Something tells me, too, that they didn't really want to promote anyone from AAA. Maybe this was Jason Hirsh's spot if he doesn't start experiencing shoulder tenderness. Who knows.

StargateSG1 · « **Reply #26 on:** July 22, 2006, 03:13:47 pm »

Brav-O! I've seen Albers pitch twice this season. He does have a power arm. Just hope he doesn't turn out like Tim Redding, who was 10-2 with a 2.18 ERA at AA before he went to AAA. He wound up 14-3 for the year.

The big leagues is a lot different than AA. We'll see how he does.

The Astros sent Nieve down and seem to be interested in his progress as relief pitcher.

JimR · « **Reply #28 on:** July 22, 2006, 03:41:07 pm »

nah, Ally, he's just one more of the Clarks who started to invest the board this spring and early summer. a bunch of them were related. Spack will investigate who he is, and chances are he'll be gone soon like the others. they all have the same mantra. WFW to his and his Cubbie "wife."

good post re the pitching decision, btw.

AllyDStros · « **Reply #29 on:** July 22, 2006, 04:00:04 pm »

hence the adage TNSTAPP--There's no such thing as a pitching prospect.

Doesn't mean you don't give him a try when all else fails...and I think it's pretty darn close to that point right about now.

Arky Vaughan · « **Reply #30 on:** July 22, 2006, 06:52:12 pm »

Spack says the new guy checks out. Not every Clark is a troll. But we sure have a lot of hall monitors in here today just to make sure.

StargateSG1 · « **Reply #31 on:** July 23, 2006, 10:35:32 am »

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Spack McGrimm · « **Reply #32 on:** July 23, 2006, 12:56:16 pm »

This is a final warning: any more pissing and moaning about how to post, what to post, how the board works, and this thread gets nuked.

Have thick skin, talk baseball, be prepared to back it up. Period.

Thunderecho · « **Reply #33 on:** July 23, 2006, 05:01:23 pm »

I normally don't post here (although I visit frequently since is this a GREAT site with a plethora of information) but your posts were right on the money. Damn good job.

ybbodeus · « **Reply #34 on:** July 24, 2006, 01:08:35 pm »

Wow! This can be a tough room! Limey & Taras Bulba advised me a long while back to post minimally but read often. I think I shall follow those two sages' advice more closely in the future.

JimR · « **Reply #35 on:** July 24, 2006, 01:53:37 pm »

Spack was warning Stargate, our one day troll. you're fine.

StargateSG1 · « **Reply #36 on:** July 24, 2006, 03:34:49 pm »

Sounds like good advice. I messed up the first day and didn't exactly jump out on the right foot (hence the "troll" tag) so no one to blame but myself there. I got some really good advice by a couple of other posters on this board so I'm very appreciative of that and will walk a straight line as to avoid getting banned (which would stink). This is by far the best Astros fan website I've come across with an exceptional minor league forum and some really good moderators.

Look forward to reading more of your posts.