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106 million dollar team
« on: July 13, 2006, 12:30:45 pm »
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third only behind the yankee and red sox. this is truly frigtning.. is this just over hype and a two big payroll or can this band of ballplayers make it all worth the price. not to jinx it but just posing a question.. if all does not cometogether can you see the ax chopping up the team at the end of the season
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2006, 12:35:53 pm »
With Roger, Jeff, and Andy all having huge salaries coming off the payroll next year, I think it is more of just a timing issue. That payroll isn't a long term thing.
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Re: 106 million dollar team
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2006, 12:54:45 pm »
I believe those 3 account for approximately $42mil.  Just to quantify...
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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2006, 12:59:30 pm »
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I believe those 3 account for approximately $42mil.  Just to quantify...



And another reason you absolutely, positively do not trade Patton, Hirsh or Pence this season.  Any more talk about high priced rentals like Tejada in here will make my head explode!
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2006, 01:02:34 pm »
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I believe those 3 account for approximately $42mil.  Just to quantify...



And another reason you absolutely, positively do not trade Patton, Hirsh or Pence this season.  Any more talk about high priced rentals like Tejada in here will make my head explode!



No kidding.  I just hope they can re-sign Huff, assuming he plays well.  I hope that doesn't lead to any unexpected rapid cranial expansion.
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Re: 106 million dollar team
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2006, 01:06:08 pm »
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With Roger, Jeff, and Andy all having huge salaries coming off the payroll next year, I think it is more of just a timing issue. That payroll isn't a long term thing.



I know that Bagwell's contract ends this year, but I believe that Drayton will be paying him next year not much less than what he's paying him this year with the buy-out and deferred money.

I don't think Andy has much, if any, deferred money and I'm pretty sure Clemens has none (other than whatever his personal services contract is).
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2006, 01:15:03 pm »
I don't think you have to account for deferred money really - if so, then isn't some of the money on the payroll this year actually deferred?
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2006, 04:10:21 pm »
Yikes. Knowing the Grocer, someone high-priced could be on the way out. Ensberg?

Still, gotta hand it to the guy, this has to be the highest payroll the Astros ever had.

The Astros offseason this year will be the most interesting in years with Rocket, Petitte, Bagwell (option?) and maybe Biggio (I know - he wants 3000 hits) riding off into the sunset.
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2006, 04:12:37 pm »
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Yikes. Knowing the Grocer, someone high-priced could be on the way out. Ensberg?

Still, gotta hand it to the guy, this has to be the highest payroll the Astros ever had.

The Astros offseason this year will be the most interesting in years with Rocket, Petitte, Bagwell (option?) and maybe Biggio (I know - he wants 3000 hits) riding off into the sunset.



Biggio will be back.  Bagwell will not. I think Petitte will be back if he wants to continue to pitch.  Who the hell knows with Clemens.  Maybe in 2007, he can pitch every other month.
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2006, 04:13:14 pm »
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Yikes. Knowing the Grocer, someone high-priced could be on the way out. Ensberg?

Still, gotta hand it to the guy, this has to be the highest payroll the Astros ever had.

The Astros offseason this year will be the most interesting in years with Rocket, Petitte, Bagwell (option?) and maybe Biggio (I know - he wants 3000 hits) riding off into the sunset.



Where do you start with this one?
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2006, 04:15:33 pm »
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Yikes. Knowing the Grocer, someone high-priced could be on the way out. Ensberg?

Still, gotta hand it to the guy, this has to be the highest payroll the Astros ever had.

The Astros offseason this year will be the most interesting in years with Rocket, Petitte, Bagwell (option?) and maybe Biggio (I know - he wants 3000 hits) riding off into the sunset.



Where do you start with this one?



I started by ignoring the contradictory statements made by someone who very obviously follows the Astros as a second favorite team.
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Re: 106 million dollar team
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2006, 04:16:24 pm »
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Yikes. Knowing the Grocer, someone high-priced could be on the way out. Ensberg?



Is this another claim about Drayton being cheap? If so, I'm tired of that. The Astros may not spend money like it's water (the Evil Empire being the only team that really does that, although the steM are starting to come close), but they do a great job of paying the money when they find the right players to invest in.
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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2006, 04:27:26 pm »
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I started by ignoring the contradictory statements made by someone who very obviously follows the Astros as a second favorite team.



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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2006, 04:30:04 pm »
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I started by ignoring the contradictory statements made by someone who very obviously follows the Astros as a second favorite team.



And who lists his location as Chicago but then bristles when someone has temerity to call him a yankee...
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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2006, 04:43:59 pm »
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I don't think you have to account for deferred money really - if so, then isn't some of the money on the payroll this year actually deferred?



I'm no expert, but I'm  pretty sure that the 106 mil does not include deferred money.  Which means that the payroll this year is high, and that some of the players that are "disappearing" will still be pulling some checks.

I am more than open to being proven wrong.
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« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2006, 04:53:59 pm »
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I'm no expert, but I'm  pretty sure that the 106 mil does not include deferred money.  Which means that the payroll this year is high, and that some of the players that are "disappearing" will still be pulling some checks.

I am more than open to being proven wrong.


If the deferred money is moved forward, it has to show up in the later years' money.  If so, the $106mm figure is partly made up of money deferred from the early years of Bagwell's contract.

USA Today has the Astros' 2006 payroll, pre-Huff trade, at $92.5mm, which includes $19.4mm for Jeff Bagwell.  Looking at the build-up of Jeff's paycheck, USA Today at least is including previously deferred amounts in the 2006 year.
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2006, 05:51:31 pm »
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I'm no expert, but I'm  pretty sure that the 106 mil does not include deferred money.  Which means that the payroll this year is high, and that some of the players that are "disappearing" will still be pulling some checks.

I am more than open to being proven wrong.


If the deferred money is moved forward, it has to show up in the later years' money.  If so, the $106mm figure is partly made up of money deferred from the early years of Bagwell's contract.

USA Today has the Astros' 2006 payroll, pre-Huff trade, at $92.5mm, which includes $19.4mm for Jeff Bagwell.  Looking at the build-up of Jeff's paycheck, USA Today at least is including previously deferred amounts in the 2006 year.



In fact, the Bobby Bonilla's salary is  still on the Mets' payroll.
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« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2006, 05:54:56 pm »
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In fact, the Bobby Bonilla's salary is  still on the Mets' payroll.



I could be wrong, but I think this is the first year since he retired that Albert Belle isn't on Baltimore's payroll.
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Re: 106 million dollar team
« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2006, 02:07:20 am »
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And another reason you absolutely, positively do not trade Patton, Hirsh or Pence this season. Any more talk about high priced rentals like Tejada in here will make my head explode!



Exactly.  You add the perfect piece to give the current roster a real chance to make a real run, but you don't gamble away your future in case they continue playing poorly.
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« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2006, 11:53:05 am »
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And another reason you absolutely, positively do not trade Patton, Hirsh or Pence this season. Any more talk about high priced rentals like Tejada in here will make my head explode!



Exactly.  You add the perfect piece to give the current roster a real chance to make a real run, but you don't gamble away your future in case they continue playing poorly.



Not that I'm hoping for it one way or the other, but doesn't Tejada have a long-term contract? I thinking we can all mostly agree that mortgaging the future for any half-season rentals is not the right approach this year. But I wouldn't see anything wrong with the club making a move that deals away top prospects in exchange for a high-caliber player that's signed for a few years.
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« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2006, 11:58:13 am »
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Not that I'm hoping for it one way or the other, but doesn't Tejada have a long-term contract? I thinking we can all mostly agree that mortgaging the future for any half-season rentals is not the right approach this year. But I wouldn't see anything wrong with the club making a move that deals away top prospects in exchange for a high-caliber player that's signed for a few years.



Blame the CBA.  Tejada like any vet not under club control, if traded in the middle of his contract has the right to demand a trade if he so chooses after completing the season.  Sometimes it results in a renegotiation (like with Moises Alou a few years back).
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« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2006, 11:59:58 am »
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And another reason you absolutely, positively do not trade Patton, Hirsh or Pence this season. Any more talk about high priced rentals like Tejada in here will make my head explode!



Exactly.  You add the perfect piece to give the current roster a real chance to make a real run, but you don't gamble away your future in case they continue playing poorly.



Not that I'm hoping for it one way or the other, but doesn't Tejada have a long-term contract? I thinking we can all mostly agree that mortgaging the future for any half-season rentals is not the right approach this year. But I wouldn't see anything wrong with the club making a move that deals away top prospects in exchange for a high-caliber player that's signed for a few years.



At this stage in his career Tejada can request a trade at the end of the season from the team he is traded to.  The Astros wanted him to sign away this clause, he didn't and, from what I've read, this is one of the reasons the deal wasn't done in ST.
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« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2006, 12:02:46 pm »
Got it. Thanks, gents.
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« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2006, 12:30:16 pm »
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And another reason you absolutely, positively do not trade Patton, Hirsh or Pence this season. Any more talk about high priced rentals like Tejada in here will make my head explode!



Exactly.  You add the perfect piece to give the current roster a real chance to make a real run, but you don't gamble away your future in case they continue playing poorly.



Not that I'm hoping for it one way or the other, but doesn't Tejada have a long-term contract? I thinking we can all mostly agree that mortgaging the future for any half-season rentals is not the right approach this year. But I wouldn't see anything wrong with the club making a move that deals away top prospects in exchange for a high-caliber player that's signed for a few years.



Because of his tenure in the league and being traded in the middle of a long term contract, he can demand a trade (a demand Houston is required to honor) at the end of the season.  It would still end up being a rental if he were to do so.  That's why the original deal fell thru...
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« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2006, 12:38:18 pm »
USA payroll figures does not include Clemens either.
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