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2005/2006
« on: April 19, 2006, 08:49:55 am »
2005 through 14 games:


AB  478
runs 55
hits 127
rbi  55
bb 48
so  100
lob 176
wins 7 (1 road, 6 home)
losses 7 (5road, 2 home)

2006 through 14 games

ab 484
r  86
h  140
rbi  84
bb  52
so  92
lob  217
wins 10 (7 home, 3 road)
losses 4 (2 home, 2 road)

I wish I could format this as a table, but it's beyond me.
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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2006, 09:48:52 am »
In only 10 extra plate appearances, we've scored 31 extra runs and left an additional 41 men on base?

That just seems counterintuitively wrong to me.  Did we play that many extra inning games early in the season last year?
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2006, 10:12:00 am »
I was more surprised with only 13 more hits.

I took these off of box scores, so compilation errors are mighty likely.
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2006, 10:13:01 am »
Anyone else think the idea that we've left more men on base than the total of hits and walks for the 14 games seem a "little counterintuitive"?...
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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2006, 10:50:08 am »
Ny guess is we've hit many more HRs this year, considering Berkman was out the first part of last year and Baggy's shoulder was ground beef.
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2006, 11:04:18 am »
kindofan absurdity, isn't it.  The hits and bb are easy.  The Link

lob I came up with off box scores, so I'll try again.  This time I came up with 222.  Here's the list

4/18  17
4/17  21
4/16  22
4/15  16
4/14  7
4/13  8
4/13  22
4/10  18
4/9  20
4/8  16
4/7  14
4/5  12
4/4  13
4/4  16

What am I missing?
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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2006, 11:08:49 am »
errors, I guess.  And hbp.  Answering my own question, sorry.
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2006, 11:11:05 am »
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kindofan absurdity, isn't it.  The hits and bb are easy.  The Link

lob I came up with off box scores, so I'll try again.  This time I came up with 222.  Here's the list

4/18  17
4/17  21
4/16  22
4/15  16
4/14  7
4/13  8
4/13  22
4/10  18
4/9  20
4/8  16
4/7  14
4/5  12
4/4  13
4/4  16

What am I missing?



The difference between Team LOB and individual LOB.  You are using individual LOB which double counts runners.
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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2006, 11:11:57 am »
Ah.  I would have done the same thing for 2005.
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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2006, 11:12:40 am »
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kindofan absurdity, isn't it.  The hits and bb are easy.  The Link

lob I came up with off box scores, so I'll try again.  This time I came up with 222.  Here's the list

4/18  17
4/17  21
4/16  22
4/15  16
4/14  7
4/13  8
4/13  22
4/10  18
4/9  20
4/8  16
4/7  14
4/5  12
4/4  13
4/4  16

What am I missing?



Something wrong, the Astros had 8 lob last night.
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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2006, 11:13:44 am »
I'd be interested in the difference in HRs.  It might account for the higher scoring with only 13 more hits and might fit into a general increase in HRs across MLB thus far.  What were there, like 20 homers hit in the game last night?

There was an article in the Chicago Tribune last week on this.  It's a collection of denials that the ball is "juiced", but at the end we find (this was only through last tuesday's games):

Average major-league home runs per game, by season

1997: 2.05
1998: 2.08
1999: 2.28
2000: 2.34
2001: 2.25
2002: 2.09
2003: 2.14
2004: 2.25
2005: 2.06
2006: 2.53

Average major-league home runs per game, for the month of April

1997: 1.89
1998: 1.96
1999: 2.22
2000: 2.56
2001: 2.34
2002: 1.91
2003: 2.09
2004: 2.17
2005: 1.89
2006: 2.53

I believe this was written in response to the White Sox announcer who already claimed definitively (after a few games, mind you) that the ball is juiced because of "how quickly it gets through the infield", or some such thing; i can't remember the exact quote.  Personally, I think it's too soon to support or deny the trend.

Wow, all these quotes out of Chicago...I think I hear the Troll Patrol warming up their engines...
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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2006, 11:13:51 am »
Foghorn explains, I think.
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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2006, 11:15:29 am »
Yeah, that's it. Use the team LOB.

Individual LOB includes all at bats of all players. For instance: Based loaded, players K's, 3 lob. Next batter K's, 3 more lob.
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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2006, 11:15:54 am »
I think you have to look at the "Team LOB" stat in the box score, which is the total number of runners actually left on base.  The "LOB" stat on each player's line is the number of runners that player left on, so there's "double-counting" going on when, for example, Ausmus and Everett whiff on big roundhouse curves in successive at-bats.  If you're just adding up the individual LOB numbers from the box score, you'll be off by quite a bit.
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2006, 11:18:23 am »
I'm not sure how I'd find team lob through a particular date for last year.  Hmm.  I guess the best way would go back through individual LOB and cancel out numbers that are the same.

Yech.  who cares about LOB anyway?
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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2006, 11:21:43 am »
Team LOB should be in every box score.
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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2006, 11:24:05 am »
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I'm not sure how I'd find team lob through a particular date for last year.  Hmm.  I guess the best way would go back through individual LOB and cancel out numbers that are the same.


It's in the boxscore.
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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2006, 11:30:03 am »
Right.  In the mlb.com box scores, it's at the bottom of the batting summary.  Last night's game had 5 LOB for MIL and 8 LOB for HOU, while the totals from the player lines were 12 and 17, respectively.
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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2006, 11:31:50 am »
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Right.  In the mlb.com box scores, it's at the bottom of the batting summary.  Last night's game had 5 LOB for MIL and 8 LOB for HOU, while the totals from the player lines were 12 and 17, respectively.



C'mon guys!  Maybe you need a refresher course.  Its all ball bearings nowadays.
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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2006, 11:35:06 am »
yep.  There it is.  So if I go back through, I get

4/18 8
4/17 9
4/16 10
4/15 5
4/14 5
4/13 10
4/13 10
4/10 10
4/9 8
4/8 8
4/7 6
4/5 8
4/4 7
4/4 9

For a total of 113.  Much better.
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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2006, 12:23:55 pm »
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Right.  In the mlb.com box scores, it's at the bottom of the batting summary.  Last night's game had 5 LOB for MIL and 8 LOB for HOU, while the totals from the player lines were 12 and 17, respectively.



C'mon guys!  Maybe you need a refresher course.  Its all ball bearings nowadays.


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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2006, 12:37:02 pm »
You haven't missed anything...

Been a lot of manure spread around here this morning too...

Same old, same old...
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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2006, 01:00:41 pm »
If only they could bat .289 all season.
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« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2006, 01:52:54 pm »
Those numbers are hopefully a lot more interesting a month from now.
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