Problem with base running signs?

[pravata]

Last nights base running issues,

The disaster in the 3rd; Berkman leads off with a double, next up Ensberg squibs one to the pitcher, Berkman didnt move off second, good thing too or he'd been dead.  But after the play they show him standing on 2nd with the palms up, "What?" signal to Mansolino.  Then, inexplicably, he gets picked off trying to steal 3rd.  

Ausmus singles in the 6th, then through two pitches to Everett, he's signalling to Mansolino to redo the signs.  

Is there a communications problem?

[JimR]

Mansolino is signalling in Italian.

[homer]

There was also a moment in the game where Garner was going through the signs more than once.

I also seem to remember another point where someone (Ensberg?, Lane?) was looking into the dugout (as opposed to 3rd) for signs while at the plate.

[David in Jackson]

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Last nights base running issues,

The disaster in the 3rd; Berkman leads off with a double, next up Ensberg squibs one to the pitcher, Berkman didnt move off second, good thing too or he'd been dead.  But after the play they show him standing on 2nd with the palms up, "What?" signal to Mansolino.  Then, inexplicably, he gets picked off trying to steal 3rd.  

Ausmus singles in the 6th, then through two pitches to Everett, he's signalling to Mansolino to redo the signs.  

Is there a communications problem?

I heard about that but didn't see it.  I thought it might have been another Lance out to lunch moment

[pravata]

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Mansolino is signalling in Italian.

After Lance got thrown out at 3rd, I bet he was.

[HudsonHawk]

Signs should not be complicated.  Just remember:

Sally's Big Titties Hang down to her Belt.

[mihoba]

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Signs should not be complicated.  Just remember:

Sally's Big Titties Hang down to her Belt.

Man, it's been years.

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[HudsonHawk]

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Signs should not be complicated.  Just remember:

Sally's Big Titties Hang down to her Belt.

Man, it's been years.

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Belt is the indicator.

[mihoba]

My HS coach when I was a sophomore was an idiot. He often asked me for strategic advice and to explain the rules. The seniors on the team called me coach. His system of signs were non-existance, so we made up our own.

We won district, and he though he was something.

I should have know, swing away is default.

[Fredia]

maybe they should bring in Jimmy the ruin the team Williamns to  explain the signals if i remember correctly his signs where about as clear as some of my post

[JimR]

what Astros manager had different signs for each player on his team?

[Fredia]

i honestly dont  know . give me some help oh mighty posters of great knowledge.

[HudsonHawk]

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There was also a moment in the game where Garner was going through the signs more than once.

I also seem to remember another point where someone (Ensberg?, Lane?) was looking into the dugout (as opposed to 3rd) for signs while at the plate.

Don't know the specifics of the other night, and I don't know if they were trying to do this with the hitter and runner, but it's pretty common that in certain siutations, multiple coaches will give signs simultaneously, to make it more difficult to steal them.

[doran's mullet]

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i just remember in little league that arms folded meant take and hands on hips meant swing away.  that was just for the off-chance that one of us was actually watching.

[CrawfordBoxes]

You can't get on Mansalino with Lance on the base paths. Lance is always out to lunch on the base paths. But where my seats our at MMPUS I could see the play develop where Lance attempted to steal. & it wasn't as bad as it looked. He got a hell of a jump and if Bush would have went into his wind up Lance would have easily swiped the bag. But Bush kind of stood with the ball for a second longer than he had been and Lance was just barely off with the timing.

[Taras Bulba]

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My HS coach when I was a sophomore was an idiot. He often asked me for strategic advice and to explain the rules. The seniors on the team called me coach. His system of signs were non-existance, so we made up our own.

We won district, and he though he was something.

I should have know, swing away is default.

And all this time, I thought Jim R. was one helluva coach.

[JimR]

hey, i coached Mark, not mihoba. wait till he posts in this to judge me.

[Holly]

OK and how do those translate into signs?

[MRaup]

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hey, i coached Mark, not mihoba. wait till he posts in this to judge me.

The old man's take sign was the ol' staredown. Which was fine and dandy, as long as you could keep a straight face with Treaty Oak glaring down the 3rd base line at you.

[pravata]

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You can't get on Mansalino with Lance on the base paths. Lance is always out to lunch on the base paths. But where my seats our at MMPUS I could see the play develop where Lance attempted to steal. & it wasn't as bad as it looked. He got a hell of a jump and if Bush would have went into his wind up Lance would have easily swiped the bag. But Bush kind of stood with the ball for a second longer than he had been and Lance was just barely off with the timing.

That's what JD said too.  Bush was giving him one look and going home.  But then he goes on to ask why was Lance trying to steal 3rd with one out?  How many times has he done that?  DeShaies speculated that he was somehow trying to make amends for not advancing on Ensberg's squib.  And by Berkman's hand signals right after that play, he looked like he was confused and missed something.

[homer]

 

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But then he goes on to ask why was Lance trying to steal 3rd with one out?

I don't/didn't understand this comment. What is wrong with stealing third with one out? I know you don't want to make your first or third out at third, but 1 out seems to be a good time. Also, if I remember correctly, the next out was a flyball that would had scored the run had Lance successfully swiped the bag...

[pravata]

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But then he goes on to ask why was Lance trying to steal 3rd with one out?

I don't/didn't understand this comment. What is wrong with stealing third with one out? I know you don't want to make your first or third out at third, but 1 out seems to be a good time. Also, if I remember correctly, the next out was a flyball that would had scored the run had Lance successfully swiped the bag...

Yeah, but what are the odds?  He doesnt ever do it.  Does he know how to steal 3rd? I think he felt forced.  Bush was paying more attention to him than he realized.  It wasn't luck that he was caught.

[Ty in Tampa]

Yeah, when I think of stealing third with one out, I don't think Lance Berkman.

[homer]

Another missed sign... Bottom of the 2nd tonite... Ausmus takes off during Oswalt's at bat expecting a bunt, but Oswalt pulled back and took the pitch. Only a poor throw by Miller saved B-Rod.

It would be difficult to accuse Oswalt or B-Rod of pulling a Lance (though not impossible). Mansolino seems a better candidate for finger pointing.

[HudsonHawk]

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Another missed sign... Bottom of the 2nd tonite... Ausmus takes off during Oswalt's at bat expecting a bunt, but Oswalt pulled back and took the pitch. Only a poor throw by Miller saved B-Rod.

It would be difficult to accuse Oswalt or B-Rod of pulling a Lance (though not impossible). Mansolino seems a better candidate for finger pointing.

Why do you think someone missed a sign?

[homer]

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Another missed sign... Bottom of the 2nd tonite... Ausmus takes off during Oswalt's at bat expecting a bunt, but Oswalt pulled back and took the pitch. Only a poor throw by Miller saved B-Rod.

It would be difficult to accuse Oswalt or B-Rod of pulling a Lance (though not impossible). Mansolino seems a better candidate for finger pointing.

Why do you think someone missed a sign?

Because B-Rod was running and Oswalt pulled back on the bunt.

[HudsonHawk]

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Another missed sign... Bottom of the 2nd tonite... Ausmus takes off during Oswalt's at bat expecting a bunt, but Oswalt pulled back and took the pitch. Only a poor throw by Miller saved B-Rod.

It would be difficult to accuse Oswalt or B-Rod of pulling a Lance (though not impossible). Mansolino seems a better candidate for finger pointing.

Why do you think someone missed a sign?

Because B-Rod was running and Oswalt pulled back on the bunt.

Again, why do you think that means one of them missed a sign?

[homer]

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Another missed sign... Bottom of the 2nd tonite... Ausmus takes off during Oswalt's at bat expecting a bunt, but Oswalt pulled back and took the pitch. Only a poor throw by Miller saved B-Rod.

It would be difficult to accuse Oswalt or B-Rod of pulling a Lance (though not impossible). Mansolino seems a better candidate for finger pointing.

Why do you think someone missed a sign?

Because B-Rod was running and Oswalt pulled back on the bunt.

Again, why do you think that means one of them missed a sign?

B-Rod wasn't running like he was stealing, he was running like he was expecting a bunt... hit and run type of deal. Am I missing something?

[HudsonHawk]

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Another missed sign... Bottom of the 2nd tonite... Ausmus takes off during Oswalt's at bat expecting a bunt, but Oswalt pulled back and took the pitch. Only a poor throw by Miller saved B-Rod.

It would be difficult to accuse Oswalt or B-Rod of pulling a Lance (though not impossible). Mansolino seems a better candidate for finger pointing.

Why do you think someone missed a sign?

Because B-Rod was running and Oswalt pulled back on the bunt.

Again, why do you think that means one of them missed a sign?

B-Rod wasn't running like he was stealing, he was running like he was expecting a bunt... hit and run type of deal. Am I missing something?

You could be missing a lot of things.  It could have been a brain fart by either Ausmus or Oswalt.  It could have been a "run and bunt" scenario.  Just because Ausmus ran doesn't mean Mansolino fucked up or that a sign was missed.

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Another missed sign... Bottom of the 2nd tonite... Ausmus takes off during Oswalt's at bat expecting a bunt, but Oswalt pulled back and took the pitch. Only a poor throw by Miller saved B-Rod.

It would be difficult to accuse Oswalt or B-Rod of pulling a Lance (though not impossible). Mansolino seems a better candidate for finger pointing.

Why do you think someone missed a sign?

Because B-Rod was running and Oswalt pulled back on the bunt.

Again, why do you think that means one of them missed a sign?

B-Rod wasn't running like he was stealing, he was running like he was expecting a bunt... hit and run type of deal. Am I missing something?

You could be missing a lot of things.  It could have been a brain fart by either Ausmus or Oswalt.  It could have been a "run and bunt" scenario.  Just because Ausmus ran doesn't mean Mansolino fucked up or that a sign was missed.

Sure, could be any of those things. In fact, I discussed each of them as possibilities in previous posts.

I was pointing out that for the second night in a row there is a snafu on the basepaths, both indicative of a missed sign. Mansolino is the commonality, so it leads me to believe he could be the cause.

[homer]

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But then he goes on to ask why was Lance trying to steal 3rd with one out?

I don't/didn't understand this comment. What is wrong with stealing third with one out? I know you don't want to make your first or third out at third, but 1 out seems to be a good time. Also, if I remember correctly, the next out was a flyball that would had scored the run had Lance successfully swiped the bag...

Yeah, but what are the odds?  He doesnt ever do it.  Does he know how to steal 3rd? I think he felt forced.  Bush was paying more attention to him than he realized.  It wasn't luck that he was caught.

Another sign miscue. Bottom 8, this time Wilson is having trouble receiving the signs from Mansolino (making hand gestures as if he doesn't understand) and nearly gets picked off. Another poor throw advances him to second.

[Arky Vaughan]

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I was pointing out that for the second night in a row there is a snafu on the basepaths, both indicative of a missed sign. Mansolino is the commonality, so it leads me to believe he could be the cause.

I've noticed that there's always grass on the field whenever there's a baserunning mishap, so maybe the commonality is that the smell of the grass makes the players daydream.

And they always seem to be wearing caps when there's a baserunning blunder. The commonality might be that caps make it harder to see the signs.

And then there are all those fans in the stands that seem to be present when a baserunning error happens. I think there is some commonality with the noise the fans make, distracting the baserunners.

Since Mansolino is the third-base coach, barring him missing a game due to illness, family emergency, etc., he will always be out there when a baserunning mishap occurs. Ergo, you can always deduce that he was the common element leading to the snafu.

[homer]

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I was pointing out that for the second night in a row there is a snafu on the basepaths, both indicative of a missed sign. Mansolino is the commonality, so it leads me to believe he could be the cause.

I've noticed that there's always grass on the field whenever there's a baserunning mishap, so maybe the commonality is that the smell of the grass makes the players daydream.

And they always seem to be wearing caps when there's a baserunning blunder. The commonality might be that caps make it harder to see the signs.

And then there are all those fans in the stands that seem to be present when a baserunning error happens. I think there is some commonality with the noise the fans make, distracting the baserunners.

Since Mansolino is the third-base coach, barring him missing a game due to illness, family emergency, etc., he will always be out there when a baserunning mishap occurs. Ergo, you can always deduce that he was the common element leading to the snafu.

Fair enough, smartass. But, please explain the puzzled looks and funny hand gestures displayed by Franchise and Token during their mishaps. Is this expected behavior for a major league ball club?

[HudsonHawk]

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I was pointing out that for the second night in a row there is a snafu on the basepaths, both indicative of a missed sign.

This was not indicative of a missed sign.  Your point makes no sense.  Are you suggesting that Ausmus thought he got the steal sign or that Roy missed the bunt sign?  If it's the former, why was he not running as a steal?  If it's the latter, why did Roy square around to bunt?  Poor execution by the players does not equal a missed sign.

[CJM]

Wilson was making a gesture for the third base coach to go through the signs.  Happens all of the time.  The mistake was doing that while off the base.  I don't see any reason to blame the messenger.

[homer]

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I was pointing out that for the second night in a row there is a snafu on the basepaths, both indicative of a missed sign.

This was not indicative of a missed sign.  Your point makes no sense.  Are you suggesting that Ausmus thought he got the steal sign or that Roy missed the bunt sign?  If it's the former, why was he not running as a steal?  If it's the latter, why did Roy square around to bunt?  Poor execution by the players does not equal a missed sign.

Are you joking? Can you not concede the possibility of a missed sign? What if one of them missed the bunt-and-run/hit-and-run sign? That would lead to the exact fucking scenario that unfolded.

[HudsonHawk]

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Are you joking?

No, I'm not joking.  I'm pointing out how ridiculous your argument is.

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 Can you not concede the possibility of a missed sign?

Of course it's possible.  It's possible that Biggio missed a sign when he hit a home run in the first inning too.  It's also possible that Adam Everett missed a sign when he hit the two run double.  Why are you not giving Mansolino shit about that possibility?

So tell me, which sign do you think was missed and who missed it?

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 What if one of them missed the bunt-and-run/hit-and-run sign? That would lead to the exact fucking scenario that unfolded.

What if they missed the squeeze sign?  Would that lead to that scenario?

[pravata]

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I was pointing out that for the second night in a row there is a snafu on the basepaths, both indicative of a missed sign.

This was not indicative of a missed sign.  Your point makes no sense.  Are you suggesting that Ausmus thought he got the steal sign or that Roy missed the bunt sign?  If it's the former, why was he not running as a steal?  If it's the latter, why did Roy square around to bunt?  Poor execution by the players does not equal a missed sign.

Are you joking? Can you not concede the possibility of a missed sign? What if one of them missed the bunt-and-run/hit-and-run sign? That would lead to the exact fucking scenario that unfolded.

In 2 days what we definitely have is this.  Berkman, Ausmus and Wilson all confused by the signs.  That is irrefutable. Taveras making the 3rd out at 3rd and either Ausmus taking off on his own or Oswalt missing a bunt or either one of them missing a sign. Whatever happened there, had the Brewers caught Ausmus, the Astros likely would not have scored the subsequent runs that inning.   This isnt the end of the world as they've scored 21 runs in 2 games but it does suggest that some of them are having problems running the bases.

[Bench]

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Are you joking?

No, I'm not joking.  I'm pointing out how ridiculous your argument is.

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 Can you not concede the possibility of a missed sign?

Of course it's possible.  It's possible that Biggio missed a sign when he hit a home run in the first inning too.  It's also possible that Adam Everett missed a sign when he hit the two run double.  Why are you not giving Mansolino shit about that possibility?

So tell me, which sign do you think was missed and who missed it?

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 What if one of them missed the bunt-and-run/hit-and-run sign? That would lead to the exact fucking scenario that unfolded.

What if they missed the squeeze sign?  Would that lead to that scenario?

You don't get it HH. It's possible that he's right. Doesn't that mean that he's right?

Wait a second, I think I need to put my head back down on my desk.

[HudsonHawk]

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You don't get it HH. It's possible that he's right. Doesn't that mean that he's right?

Wait a second, I think I need to put my head back down on my desk.

He's using the ol' "HD logic" trick on me:

"My dog died the day after Lidge gave up a home run; therefore, Brad Lidge murdered my dog."  

Two ancillary events occuring in succession does not prove causality.

[HudsonHawk]

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OK and how do those translate into signs?

Steal
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Belt as the indicator.  

I don't get the question?

[BizidyDizidy]

She's asking what goes with what - what do you touch for steal, for example.

[HudsonHawk]

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She's asking what goes with what - what do you touch for steal, for example.

Anything.  One touch after the indicator is a steal.  Two touches is a bunt, etc.  It's not *what* you touch, it's how many times you touch and when.

[BizidyDizidy]

Gotcha. On the teams I played on, it was usually keyed to specific areas (after the indicator).

[HudsonHawk]

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Gotcha. On the teams I played on, it was usually keyed to specific areas (after the indicator).

At the higher levels, it's almost always the number of touches.  You can do it different ways such as "opening" and "closing" with the indicator, going "upstairs/downstairs" (only count the touches above/below the waiste), etc.  There're pretty much endless possibilities.

[BizidyDizidy]

Well, I certainly wasn't at the higher levels. Thanks for the info, HH.

[homer]

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Are you joking?

No, I'm not joking.  I'm pointing out how ridiculous your argument is.

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 Can you not concede the possibility of a missed sign?

Of course it's possible.  It's possible that Biggio missed a sign when he hit a home run in the first inning too.  It's also possible that Adam Everett missed a sign when he hit the two run double.  Why are you not giving Mansolino shit about that possibility?

So tell me, which sign do you think was missed and who missed it?

Why is it ridiculous? You concede the possibility, and in the instances that I point out it is highly probable that there was a miscue. Your examples are ridiculous and purposely designed to cloud the issue.

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 What if one of them missed the bunt-and-run/hit-and-run sign? That would lead to the exact fucking scenario that unfolded.

What if they missed the squeeze sign?  Would that lead to that scenario?

I am not even sure the point you are trying to make here.

[CJM]

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She's asking what goes with what - what do you touch for steal, for example.

Anything.  One touch after the indicator is a steal.  Two touches is a bunt, etc.  It's not *what* you touch, it's how many times you touch and when.

And skin wipes it off?

[HudsonHawk]

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Are you joking?

No, I'm not joking.  I'm pointing out how ridiculous your argument is.

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 Can you not concede the possibility of a missed sign?

Of course it's possible.  It's possible that Biggio missed a sign when he hit a home run in the first inning too.  It's also possible that Adam Everett missed a sign when he hit the two run double.  Why are you not giving Mansolino shit about that possibility?

So tell me, which sign do you think was missed and who missed it?

Why is it ridiculous? You concede the possibility, and in the instances that I point out it is highly probable that there was a miscue. Your examples are ridiculous and purposely designed to cloud the issue.

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 What if one of them missed the bunt-and-run/hit-and-run sign? That would lead to the exact fucking scenario that unfolded.

What if they missed the squeeze sign?  Would that lead to that scenario?

I am not even sure the point you are trying to make here.

Just answer the question.  What sign do you think was missed and by whom?

[HudsonHawk]

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And skin wipes it off?

Unless the roof is open and there are lots of mosquitoes to brush away.  Perhaps that's the problem.  Mansolino isn't giving signs, he's just shooing flies.

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Are you joking?

No, I'm not joking.  I'm pointing out how ridiculous your argument is.

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 Can you not concede the possibility of a missed sign?

Of course it's possible.  It's possible that Biggio missed a sign when he hit a home run in the first inning too.  It's also possible that Adam Everett missed a sign when he hit the two run double.  Why are you not giving Mansolino shit about that possibility?

So tell me, which sign do you think was missed and who missed it?

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 What if one of them missed the bunt-and-run/hit-and-run sign? That would lead to the exact fucking scenario that unfolded.

What if they missed the squeeze sign?  Would that lead to that scenario?

You don't get it HH. It's possible that he's right. Doesn't that mean that he's right?

Wait a second, I think I need to put my head back down on my desk.

Give me a fucking break. To HH, it's possible that I am wrong, so therefore I am wrong.

[HudsonHawk]

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Give me a fucking break. To HH, it's possible that I am wrong, so therefore I am wrong.

Actually, it's more like "you disagree with me; therefore, you're wrong".

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Are you joking?

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 Can you not concede the possibility of a missed sign?

Of course it's possible.  It's possible that Biggio missed a sign when he hit a home run in the first inning too.  It's also possible that Adam Everett missed a sign when he hit the two run double.  Why are you not giving Mansolino shit about that possibility?

So tell me, which sign do you think was missed and who missed it?

Why is it ridiculous? You concede the possibility, and in the instances that I point out it is highly probable that there was a miscue. Your examples are ridiculous and purposely designed to cloud the issue.

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 What if one of them missed the bunt-and-run/hit-and-run sign? That would lead to the exact fucking scenario that unfolded.

What if they missed the squeeze sign?  Would that lead to that scenario?

I am not even sure the point you are trying to make here.

Just answer the question.  What sign do you think was missed and by whom?

I already answered it. I thinks there was a miscue on the 'bunt-and-run'... Either:

it was on and Oswalt missed it

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it was off and B-Rod thought it was on.

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Give me a fucking break. To HH, it's possible that I am wrong, so therefore I am wrong.

Actually, it's more like "you disagree with me; therefore, you're wrong".

Right on. I wouldn't expect anything different.

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Give me a fucking break. To HH, it's possible that I am wrong, so therefore I am wrong.

Actually, it's more like "you disagree with me; therefore, you're wrong".

Right on. I wouldn't expect anything different.

I would hope everyone feels that way.

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I already answered it. I thinks there was a miscue on the 'bunt-and-run'... Either:

it was on and Oswalt missed it

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it was off and B-Rod thought it was on.

either of those would have had Brad running on the pitch and not stopping 20-30 feet off the bag, he would have been thrown out at second, not trying to get back into first.

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I already answered it. I thinks there was a miscue on the 'bunt-and-run'... Either:

it was on and Oswalt missed it

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it was off and B-Rod thought it was on.

either of those would have had Brad running on the pitch and not stopping 20-30 feet off the bag, he would have been thrown out at second, not trying to get back into first.

How many time in our lives have we seen the busted hit and run? How hard is it to believe that is what happened tonite? Ausmus was looking for contact, specifically the bunt, it didn't happen and he was hung out to dry. The fact that he ran back to first has no bearing on the initial miscue.

[CJM]

How about putting on a squeeze- signal to the batter (adjusting your cup is one very unoriginal squeeze sign), but he must signal you back a reply, then a verbal signal for the guy on third (maybe his last name followed by number of outs).

[HudsonHawk]

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How about putting on a squeeze- signal to the batter (adjusting your cup is one very unoriginal squeeze sign), but he must signal you back a reply, then a verbal signal for the guy on third (maybe his last name followed by number of outs).

Squeeze was always verbal.  And the batter and hitter had to acknowledge each other.

[BizidyDizidy]

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 And the batter and hitter had to acknowledge each other.

It's always a good sign of mental competence when the batter and the hitter are on the same page.

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 And the batter and hitter had to acknowledge each other.

It's always a good sign of mental competence when the batter and the hitter are on the same page.

D'oh!

[lc_db]

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In 2 days what we definitely have is this.  Berkman, Ausmus and Wilson all confused by the signs.  That is irrefutable. Taveras making the 3rd out at 3rd and either Ausmus taking off on his own or Oswalt missing a bunt or either one of them missing a sign. Whatever happened there, had the Brewers caught Ausmus, the Astros likely would not have scored the subsequent runs that inning.   This isnt the end of the world as they've scored 21 runs in 2 games but it does suggest that some of them are having problems running the bases.

My thoughts at the time were why Ausmus didn't slide going back into first??  OK...  he was obviously safe with the tag up around his thigh standing up, but it wouldn't have been close had he got down.

JD suggested it was as if he conceeded the blunder.

Again... not the end of the world but.....

[mihoba]

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hey, i coached Mark, not mihoba. wait till he posts in this to judge me.

If you were the coach, we would have won state. My coach was the OL coach for the AA state champion just a few months before (Rockdale, 1976), so he was basking in glory from that. The talent on the team was unquestionable.

He asked the players where they wanted to hit and play. Several had college football scholarships lined up, so baseball was like a vacation to them. It's funny looking back, a 15 year old suggesting that maybe we should put a fast guy at leadoff and the power hitters in the 3-4-5 spot.

[Holly]

OK, thanks.

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Fair enough, smartass. But, please explain the puzzled looks and funny hand gestures displayed by Franchise. Is this expected behavior for a major league ball club?

Berkman always looks like that, and he may very well have been daydreaming about Sha-Na-Na and the Hand Jive scene from Grease, which would of course, explain the gestures.

It's just as likely that Berkman forgot he was on second and instead remembered that slip-n-slides were cool.

[HudsonHawk]

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Berkman always looks like that, and he may very well have been daydreaming about Sha-Na-Na and the Hand Jive scene from Grease, which would of course, explain the gestures.

He was thinking "man that Cha Cha DiGregorio is hot!"

[Arky Vaughan]

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Fair enough, smartass. But, please explain the puzzled looks and funny hand gestures displayed by Franchise and Token during their mishaps. Is this expected behavior for a major league ball club?

It could be that Mansolino's signals weren't clear. It could be that the runner wasn't reading them right. It could be that the runner forgot. It could be something to keep them from being stolen.

This doesn't change the fact that since Mansolino is the full-time third-base coach, he's always going to be a "commonality" out there, so you can always blame it on him, even if it's in fact not his doing.

[Phil_in_CS]

Speaking of 3rd base coaches, did Willy T run through a stop sign or did the coach bring him over when he was out at third last night? I didn't see a replay that showed the coach and didn't have the sound on.

[JimR]

he ran on the throw, which was cut off.