Bag's odds...........

[Jose Cruz III]

The insurance claim is filed. Bagwell is apparently not happy about it. Wagner is certainly not, but then again his 10 cent mouth has always wrote checks that not even his million dollar arm could cash. Garner says he wants him in the lineup, and I believe him. McLane filed the claim but he and Purp publicly have stated that they hope he makes full recovery and is back to his old self. Astros fans, if they are Astros fans, would love nothing more than to see him put together a couple of years like Bonds did after he supposedly was "over the hill".

With all of that being said, here is my question. What are the chances that Bagwell is in an Astro uniform this year contributing to the team?

[Ryan in Houston]

70%

I find it highly unlikely that the insurance company will honor that claim...

[astro pete]

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With all of that being said, here is my question. What are the chances that Bagwell is in an Astro uniform this year contributing to the team?

Bonds has two things going for him that Bagwell doesn't: Bonds is better and Bonds used steroids.  So, I think it's very likely Bagwell is in an Astros' uniform, but not nearly as likely that Bagwell is contributing much.

[Fredia]

every astros fan wants to see baggy do well. that said with what all the docs have said and probably what will become evident in spring training.. dont think i will happen. he played though a lot of pain and all but i hope he doesnt become a shell of what he once was and if, i said if the fat lady sings and he is not even 50 per cent he will know how to let go.

[Andyzipp]

Based on nothing else than my gut, I think he's done.

[JimR]

me, too. it sure is not 70%. nor would i say that he did not use steroids.

[Golden Sombrero]

I think his chances of even coming back are slim.  If he does defy the odds and return to the lineup, I think it will hurt the team more than if he does not.  With an opinion formed with sangfroid, I think he should go quietly into that good night.  

I hope I'm wrong.  It wouldn't be the first time.

[astro pete]

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I think his chances of even coming back are slim.  If he does defy the odds and return to the lineup, I think it will hurt the team more than if he does not.  With an opinion formed with sangfroid, I think he should go quietly into that good night.  

I hope I'm wrong.  It wouldn't be the first time.

He's the focal point of spring training.  Nothing he does will be done quietly.

[Jacksonian]

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Based on nothing else than my gut, I think he's done.

I think he'll show enough to start the season.  But, sometime before July his shoulder will plague him to the point he'll have to hang it up.

[T. J.]

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I think his chances of even coming back are slim.  

Speaking of slim, check out skinny Bagwell on the front page of the Chronicle's website Chron

Not sure how long the picture will be there, but man, he looks like he weighs about 165 in that picture!

Edit:  Here's a better (and probably more permanently linked) picture:   Skinny Baggy

[Taras Bulba]

I just don't want to see Bagwell's appearance at spring training reduced to some pathetic side show of him shot putting throws from first to third.  BTW, the photo of him arriving at camp yesterday The Link shows what looks like the skinniest Jeff Bagwell ever.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think he retires if it looks like he can't be the everyday first baseman.

[pravata]

I don't see how this kind of speculation furthers an understanding of the situation.  I'm particularly amused by people assigning a percentage to the outcome.  I'm going to wait and watch what happens.

[Limey]

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I don't see how this kind of speculation furthers an understanding of the situation.  I'm particularly amused by people assigning a percentage to the outcome.  I'm going to wait and watch what happens.

Doctors say that Bagwell has a 50 - 50 chance of playing, though there's only a 10 percent chance of that.

[EasTexAstro]

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Based on nothing else than my gut, I think he's done.

I think he'll show enough to start the season.  But, sometime before July his shoulder will plague him to the point he'll have to hang it up.

I agree.

I have a picture in my head of him on the field at some point this year using his left hand to tip his cap to the fans as he walks off the field.

[Golden Sombrero]

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I think his chances of even coming back are slim.  If he does defy the odds and return to the lineup, I think it will hurt the team more than if he does not.  With an opinion formed with sangfroid, I think he should go quietly into that good night.  

I hope I'm wrong.  It wouldn't be the first time.

He's the focal point of spring training.  Nothing he does will be done quietly.

Okay, then he should rage, rage against the dying of the light.  Maybe.

[EasTexAstro]

 Pinwheel Pondering

Reading this was painful.

It does have a couple of quotes that could shed some light on the players' opinion of the "odds."

 

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"He'll hit this year and then he'll be back next year going for 500 (home runs)," Ausmus said. "This isn't the last of Jeff Bagwell."

 

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"Twenty-five to 30 home runs," Ausmus said. "And around 100 RBI."

Others agree.

"Absolutely," Berkman said. "Something around 30 home runs and 90-100 RBIs. I know the guy too well. I saw how he was swinging the bat at the end of last season. It was free and easy. He's going to be a huge part of our offense."

[HurricaneDavid]

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Speaking of slim, check out skinny Bagwell on the front page of the Chronicle's website Chron

Not sure how long the picture will be there, but man, he looks like he weighs about 165 in that picture!

Edit:  Here's a better (and probably more permanently linked) picture:   Skinny Baggy

Wow, what the hell?  Either those clothes are 5 sizes bigger than he needs, or he has lost a ton of weight.  Very strange.  And don't you wonder what's in that FedEx box?

[utastro]

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I think his chances of even coming back are slim.  

Speaking of slim, check out skinny Bagwell on the front page of the Chronicle's website Chron

Not sure how long the picture will be there, but man, he looks like he weighs about 165 in that picture!

Edit:  Here's a better (and probably more permanently linked) picture:   Skinny Baggy  

Check out the Astros Photo Gallery.  Why the f**k are the last 2 pictures (on page 2) of the White Sux at the White House included in the Astro's Photo Gallery?

The Link

[Golden Sombrero]

His teammates sure are supporting him.  Maybe he'll even believe them.  Those photos of the Skinny Bagwell sure do raise eyebrows.

[HurricaneDavid]

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I don't see how this kind of speculation furthers an understanding of the situation.

Of course it doesn't.  I don't think JCIII was looking for objective evidence from members of this board.

Most people have a gut feeling on the outcome of various situations.  I thought the Astros would lose in the World Series.  Then again, I also thought the Astros would lose in the NLCS.

Is this board the wrong place to discuss such gut feelings?

[HurricaneDavid]

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Check out the Astros Photo Gallery.  Why the f**k are the last 2 pictures (on page 2) of the White Sux at the White House included in the Astro's Photo Gallery?

The Link

I would bet that the photo gallery is formed based on keywords in the photo captions.

[pravata]

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I don't see how this kind of speculation furthers an understanding of the situation.

Of course it doesn't.  I don't think JCIII was looking for objective evidence from members of this board.

Most people have a gut feeling on the outcome of various situations.  I thought the Astros would lose in the World Series.  Then again, I also thought the Astros would lose in the NLCS.

Is this board the wrong place to discuss such gut feelings?

Go look up what objective means. Then, look up what evidence means. Our gut feelings mean nothing in this situation.  But if you feel better expressing them, how am I to stop you?  And how are you to stop me from making fun of you for babbling on about nothing?

[S.P. Rodriguez]

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I don't see how this kind of speculation furthers an understanding of the situation.

Of course it doesn't.  I don't think JCIII was looking for objective evidence from members of this board.

Most people have a gut feeling on the outcome of various situations.  I thought the Astros would lose in the World Series.  Then again, I also thought the Astros would lose in the NLCS.

Is this board the wrong place to discuss such gut feelings?

Go look up what objective means. Then, look up what evidence means. Our gut feelings mean nothing in this situation.  But if you feel better expressing them, how am I to stop you?  And how are you to stop me from making fun of you for babbling on about nothing?

Please, pinwheel never let objectivity or facts get in the way of one of his "gut" feelings.  Look where that approach got him?  He's writing for a prestigious media outlet, The Chronicle!

Seriously, I don't see the problem with gut feelings on how this will turn out.  What's getting tiresome is the speculation on How McLane/Purpura/Bagwell really feel on the issue.  I don't care.  I want to see if he can play, plain and simple.  

Personally, I am in line with several people who think he'll make it out of ST and break down early in the season.  It's a bad feeling I can't escape.  I hope I'm wrong and he does exactly as his teammates predict.  If he happens to use a perceived slight by mgmt to motivate himself, so be it.

[astro pete]

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Is this board the wrong place to discuss such gut feelings?

It's a fan message board; you can type whatever the fuck you want.  But, so can he.

[HurricaneDavid]

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Go look up what objective means. Then, look up what evidence means. Our gut feelings mean nothing in this situation.

I conceded as much already.  Everyone knows that a gut feeling is not always an accurate foreshadowing of the future.  I just don't get why you chose to pick on this thread.

[pravata]

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I don't see how this kind of speculation furthers an understanding of the situation.

Of course it doesn't.  I don't think JCIII was looking for objective evidence from members of this board.

Most people have a gut feeling on the outcome of various situations.  I thought the Astros would lose in the World Series.  Then again, I also thought the Astros would lose in the NLCS.

Is this board the wrong place to discuss such gut feelings?

Go look up what objective means. Then, look up what evidence means. Our gut feelings mean nothing in this situation.  But if you feel better expressing them, how am I to stop you?  And how are you to stop me from making fun of you for babbling on about nothing?

Please, pinwheel never let objectivity or facts get in the way of one of his "gut" feelings.  Look where that approach got him?  He's writing for a prestigious media outlet, The Chronicle!

Seriously, I don't see the problem with gut feelings on how this will turn out.  What's getting tiresome is the speculation on How McLane/Purpura/Bagwell really feel on the issue.  I don't care.  I want to see if he can play, plain and simple.  

Personally, I am in line with several people who think he'll make it out of ST and break down early in the season.  It's a bad feeling I can't escape.  I hope I'm wrong and he does exactly as his teammates predict.  If he happens to use a perceived slight by mgmt to motivate himself, so be it.

Yeah, and that turns into a whole deal about what the poster feels about how Mclane, Bagwell, and Skippy The Wonder Sock feel about each other.  If they actually knew anything that'd be one thing.  Not to mention their expert opinions on Lloyds insurance policies.  Far as I know we've got only one of those types of experts here.  Whatever happens is going to be a damn sight more interesting than what anyone writes about it here.

[utastro]

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Go look up what objective means. Then, look up what evidence means. Our gut feelings mean nothing in this situation.

I conceded as much already.  Everyone knows that a gut feeling is not always an accurate foreshadowing of the future.  I just don't get why you chose to pick on this thread.

My gut feeling is that this is not the last nit pick argument about gut feelings.

Bags: plays all year (the last half in pain without a word said).

[astro pete]

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Yeah, and that turns into a whole deal about what the poster feels about how Mclane, Bagwell, and Skippy The Wonder Sock feel about each other.  If they actually knew anything that'd be one thing.  Not to mention their expert opinions on Lloyds insurance policies.  Far as I know we've got only one of those types of experts here.  Whatever happens is going to be a damn sight more interesting than what anyone writes about it here.

It's a long since proven fact that posting here is a monumental waste of time.

[HurricaneDavid]

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It's a long since proven fact that posting here is a monumental waste of time.

Well, you have to waste time somehow.  Or, at least, *I* do.

[Jacksonian]

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Yeah, and that turns into a whole deal about what the poster feels about how Mclane, Bagwell, and Skippy The Wonder Sock feel about each other.  If they actually knew anything that'd be one thing.  Not to mention their expert opinions on Lloyds insurance policies.  Far as I know we've got only one of those types of experts here.  Whatever happens is going to be a damn sight more interesting than what anyone writes about it here.

It's a long since proven fact that posting here is a monumental waste of time.

I'm glad to know at least one person appreciates the work we do.

[pravata]

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Yeah, and that turns into a whole deal about what the poster feels about how Mclane, Bagwell, and Skippy The Wonder Sock feel about each other.  If they actually knew anything that'd be one thing.  Not to mention their expert opinions on Lloyds insurance policies.  Far as I know we've got only one of those types of experts here.  Whatever happens is going to be a damn sight more interesting than what anyone writes about it here.

It's a long since proven fact that posting here is a monumental waste of time.

Not proven at all.  In fact, the word "fact" rarely means what it seems to mean when posted in the TZ. To begin with you have to accept the premise that the Astros are worth paying attention to.  If not, the whole thing shuts down there.  But as we are obviously past that, then we come to the question of what would be worth paying attention to about the Astros.  For me, that would be being informed or being entertained.  The umpteenth repetition of the bare facts and personal prejudices regarding Bagwell and the Astros management is neither of those things.  So, I entertain myself by making fun of people who do find those things informative or entertaining.

[astro pete]

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It's a long since proven fact that posting here is a monumental waste of time.

I'm glad to know at least one person appreciates the work we do.



Oh, I appreciate the work you do, and have always enjoyed the site.  Doesn't change the fact that we're all at work posting our opinions about baseball.

[NeilT]

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I don't see how this kind of speculation furthers an understanding of the situation.

Of course it doesn't.  I don't think JCIII was looking for objective evidence from members of this board.

Most people have a gut feeling on the outcome of various situations.  I thought the Astros would lose in the World Series.  Then again, I also thought the Astros would lose in the NLCS.

Is this board the wrong place to discuss such gut feelings?

Of course not.  Next thing you know, people will be guessing how many wins the Astros will have during the season.  What possible value is that?

[utastro]

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I don't see how this kind of speculation furthers an understanding of the situation.

Of course it doesn't.  I don't think JCIII was looking for objective evidence from members of this board.

Most people have a gut feeling on the outcome of various situations.  I thought the Astros would lose in the World Series.  Then again, I also thought the Astros would lose in the NLCS.

Is this board the wrong place to discuss such gut feelings?

Of course not.  Next thing you know, people will be guessing how many wins the Astros will have during the season.  What possible value is that?

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[lc_db]

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...Next thing you know, people will be guessing how many wins the Astros will have during the season.  What possible value is that?

Might give Justice a new quote for his column.

[jaklewein]

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Pinwheel Pondering

Reading this was painful.

It does have a couple of quotes that could shed some light on the players' opinion of the "odds."

 

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"He'll hit this year and then he'll be back next year going for 500 (home runs)," Ausmus said. "This isn't the last of Jeff Bagwell."

 

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"Twenty-five to 30 home runs," Ausmus said. "And around 100 RBI."

Others agree.

"Absolutely," Berkman said. "Something around 30 home runs and 90-100 RBIs. I know the guy too well. I saw how he was swinging the bat at the end of last season. It was free and easy. He's going to be a huge part of our offense."

I thought these quotes were somewhat telling too.  Of course you always want to support a good friend.  That said, I wouldn't think that putting undue pressure and as a result, creating unattainable expectations for that same friend would be a very good idea.  That is, unless you really believe that he can do.  Ausmus is his best friend.  He's got to know quite a bit more than most about Bags status.  I take his comments as a postive for Bags chances of producing in '06.

[JimR]

nonsense. he could not reach the Crawford boxes in BP. if he hits 25-30 HRs, the doctor will be featured in each issue of the AMJ for the rest of his life.

[utastro]

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nonsense. he could not reach the Crawford boxes in BP. if he hits 25-30 HRs, the doctor will be featured in each issue of the AMJ for the rest of his life.

Bags has been lifting weights for the past 3 months.  I'm betting he is stronger than he has been in the past 3 years. The Crawford boxes should now be within his reach.

[pravata]

At another juncture in a three-hour workout, Lance Berkman imitated Bagwell's throwing motion by literally shot-putting a ball toward home plate. And Bagwell reported that he took the most abuse of all for arriving with hair that flowed well over his earlobes.

"Hey," he said, "it's better than talking about my arm."
The Link

check out Bagwell's range of motion at the end of the video, avoid Stark's commentary

apparently Footer did a bit for ESPN news on Bagwell and the legalities of the insurance claim, anyone have a link to this?

[HurricaneDavid]

His motion in that video looks pretty much the same as what I remember from the past couple years.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

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I don't see how this kind of speculation furthers an understanding of the situation.  I'm particularly amused by people assigning a percentage to the outcome.  I'm going to wait and watch what happens.

Thank you.

But just for the sake of speculation, I'm gonna say he'll come back and hit 40. 100% Believe it!

[BudGirl]

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At another juncture in a three-hour workout, Lance Berkman imitated Bagwell's throwing motion by literally shot-putting a ball toward home plate. And Bagwell reported that he took the most abuse of all for arriving with hair that flowed well over his earlobes.

"Hey," he said, "it's better than talking about my arm."
The Link

check out Bagwell's range of motion at the end of the video, avoid Stark's commentary

apparently Footer did a bit for ESPN news on Bagwell and the legalities of the insurance claim, anyone have a link to this?

The hair looked great at Fan Fest.

[LonghornCDR]

They've done studies.  60% of the time, it works every time.

[UpTooLate]

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I don't see how this kind of speculation furthers an understanding of the situation.  I'm particularly amused by people assigning a percentage to the outcome.  I'm going to wait and watch what happens.

Thank you.

But just for the sake of speculation, I'm gonna say he'll come back and hit 40. 100% Believe it!

Wow.  Call me a glass half empty type, but I'm gonna have to see him play a couple of games before I hitch my wagon to that prediction.  I'm in agreement with Jim that if Bags hits 20 his doctor is a miracle worker.

[hostros7]

If he plays, he'll hit at least 20.  count it.

[Bench]

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I don't see how this kind of speculation furthers an understanding of the situation.  I'm particularly amused by people assigning a percentage to the outcome.  I'm going to wait and watch what happens.

Thank you.

But just for the sake of speculation, I'm gonna say he'll come back and hit 40. 100% Believe it!

Wow.  Call me a glass half empty type, but I'm gonna have to see him play a couple of games before I hitch my wagon to that prediction.  I'm in agreement with Jim that if Bags hits 20 his doctor is a miracle worker.

It seems to me that the issue isn't the hitting, but the throwing. If he can throw, he can play. If he can play, he can hit. So if he hits 20 homers, the doctor is indeed a miracle worker in that he could throw well enough to play enough games to hit 20 homers, not so much in that he could physically hit 20 homers (which also would be quite an impressive achievement, but not as much as being able to throw).

[UpTooLate]

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It seems to me that the issue isn't the hitting, but the throwing. If he can throw, he can play. If he can play, he can hit. So if he hits 20 homers, the doctor is indeed a miracle worker in that he could throw well enough to play enough games to hit 20 homers, not so much in that he could physically hit 20 homers (which also would be quite an impressive achievement, but not as much as being able to throw).

You make a good point.  Don't get me wrong.  I hope that Bags has a great season.  I would even qualify that to include him becoming more of a "put the ball in play" type hitter instead of the power as in past years.

My prediction would be that IF he is able to play (throw), then he becomes more of a singles hitter.  He might swing for the fences but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him adjust his approach.  IF he can throw, pick up a few singles/doubles and bring in some baserunners, then it will have been one hell of a successful season for him.  Hopefully Moberg, Berkman, Wilson, and Lane can provide sufficient power hitting.

[Jose Cruz III]

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I don't see how this kind of speculation furthers an understanding of the situation.  I'm particularly amused by people assigning a percentage to the outcome.  I'm going to wait and watch what happens.

Just talking Astros baseball dude. We'll all have to wait and see what happens. I hear nothing where I am at except what ESPN and Whitey says about it. And somehow I just can't bank on what they say. I was just gauging Houstonians that is more around the situation to hopefully get a better idea of how he was responding to treatment.No offense meant.

[jaklewein]

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nonsense. he could not reach the Crawford boxes in BP. if he hits 25-30 HRs, the doctor will be featured in each issue of the AMJ for the rest of his life.

Really?  Wasn't that after rushing back from surgery?  The guy'd only had like 3-4 months to rehab.  Now he's had more than double that.  Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Via the Houston Chronicle:

Bagwell swung the bat well Friday, even in a difficult circumstance. He faced Astros ace Roy Oswalt and hit a few line drives and ground balls to right field. Bagwell later sent two balls over the outfield wall during batting practice thrown by the coaching staff.

"I think I will be able to hit for some power," said Bagwell, the Astros' career leader in home runs (449) and RBIs (1,529). "Last year when I came back, every single day when I was swinging the bat I was having more and more success on hitting the ball farther and hitting the ball out of the ballpark.

"I know when the games come that I'll be able to do that. I don't hit many home runs at spring training."

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

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if he hits 25-30 HRs, the doctor will be featured in each issue of the AMJ for the rest of his life.

Really?  

Well, of course, that's what the AMJ is all about. Who cares about flus and viruses. Cancer is boring. Stem cells, ha, just a political talking point. What's really important is sports surgery.

[Russ99]

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[Check out the Astros Photo Gallery.  Why the f**k are the last 2 pictures (on page 2) of the White Sux at the White House included in the Astro's Photo Gallery?

Uh guys, last season is over. Way over. A new season has begun. One in which we all hope that the Astros finally win a World Series.

Can we please skip the "White Sux" references? You sound like a bunch of whiny Cub Fans.

[homer]

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[Check out the Astros Photo Gallery.  Why the f**k are the last 2 pictures (on page 2) of the White Sux at the White House included in the Astro's Photo Gallery?

Uh guys, last season is over. Way over. A new season has begun. One in which we all hope that the Astros finally win a World Series.

Can we please skip the "White Sux" references? You sound like a bunch of whiny Cub Fans.

Can we still call the ass-clowns from StL the turdinals?

[Russ99]

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[Can we still call the ass-clowns from StL the turdinals?

As you like it!

I don't think I ever heard that term from any Cubs fans, they just aren't clever enough. It's just the cubbieness of "White Sux" that I object to. I actually enjoy silly team nicknames.

"Dickities", for instance.  

[utastro]

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[Check out the Astros Photo Gallery.  Why the f**k are the last 2 pictures (on page 2) of the White Sux at the White House included in the Astro's Photo Gallery?

Uh guys, last season is over. Way over. A new season has begun. One in which we all hope that the Astros finally win a World Series.

Can we please skip the "White Sux" references? You sound like a bunch of whiny Cub Fans.

WFW

[hed]

i like baggs but i think he's done. getting to old..good ol' biggio still chuggin along though

[Andyzipp]

Hi. Welcome.

Bagwell's age has zero to do with his performance since 2001.  His chronically arthritic shoulder, however...

[Russ99]

I'd love for Bagwell to be able to play this and next year (at a highly reduced salary). That way Bidge and Bags can retire on the same day. That would be such a huge party, I may have to fly to Houston.

I guess it's sorta wishful thinking, though.

[astro pete]

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I'd love for Bagwell to be able to play this and next year (at a highly reduced salary). That way Bidge and Bags can retire on the same day. That would be such a huge party, I may have to fly to Houston.

I guess it's sorta wishful thinking, though.

Why do you care how much Bagwell is getting paid?  Why would he play for a highly reduced salary?

Edit: I re-read and realize you were talking about 2007.  Anyways, if he plays in '07, he's due about $17 million.

[Russ99]

If he can even play next year (God willing) is that 17 Mil for 2007 an option? They could play "Roger-Clemens-poker" on that one too.

Bags deserves every penny for this season, however.

[otterj]

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Bags deserves every penny for this season, however.

Didn't he do the organization a favor by heavily backloading his contract back when he signed it or did they re-structure it at the request of the front office?

[astro pete]

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If he can even play next year (God willing) is that 17 Mil for 2007 an option? They could play "Roger-Clemens-poker" on that one too.

Bags deserves every penny for this season, however.

He's under contract for 2007 for $17 or $18 million.  The Astros can buy out the remaining year of the contract for $7 million.  

Check it out at mlbcontracts.com

[hed]

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Hi. Welcome.

Bagwell's age has zero to do with his performance since 2001.  His chronically arthritic shoulder, however...

i know about his shoulder, but i'm saying it's going to be hard being that old to come back from that kind of problem

[utastro]

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I'd love for Bagwell to be able to play this and next year (at a highly reduced salary). That way Bidge and Bags can retire on the same day. That would be such a huge party, I may have to fly to Houston.

I guess it's sorta wishful thinking, though.

Why do you care how much Bagwell is getting paid?  Why would he play for a highly reduced salary?

Edit: I re-read and realize you were talking about 2007.  Anyways, if he plays in '07, he's due about $17 million.

He has a $7 million buyout so he could potentially play for $7 million and some change.  Anyone know what the league minimum is?

[Bench]

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Hi. Welcome.

Bagwell's age has zero to do with his performance since 2001.  His chronically arthritic shoulder, however...

i know about his shoulder, but i'm saying it's going to be hard being that old to come back from that kind of problem

It's a tough problem to come back from at any age.