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« on: February 13, 2006, 05:42:09 pm »
One manager in our Little League wants his team to be the Brewers.  Some of the board members are afraid this would be a bad thing--to have kids "endorsing" beer.  Opinions?
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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2006, 05:48:05 pm »
Yeah, my little league team was the "Brewers" and I can attest to no lingering effects, at least from alcohol...
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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2006, 05:49:58 pm »
Find a league not run by pussies.
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2006, 05:51:16 pm »
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One manager in our Little League wants his team to be the Brewers.  Some of the board members are afraid this would be a bad thing--to have kids "endorsing" beer.  Opinions?




Some people are offended by alcohol for themselves and their 11-year olds.  It's an ok name for adults from Milwaukee, it's stupid to create an issue with the devout Baptists and Muslims and Church of Christ in your little league.
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2006, 05:54:34 pm »
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One manager in our Little League wants his team to be the Brewers.  Some of the board members are afraid this would be a bad thing--to have kids "endorsing" beer.  Opinions?




Some people are offended by alcohol for themselves and their 11-year olds.  It's an ok name for adults from Milwaukee, it's stupid to create an issue with the devout Baptists and Muslims and Church of Christ in your little league.





Actually it is a 4 - 6 yr old T-ball team.  Therein lies the controversy.
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2006, 05:55:45 pm »
Corollary to above post: Find a league not run by Neil.

The idea that having the Brewers endorses beer is nuts. Does having the Pirates endorse piracy? Piracy should be far more offensive.
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One manager in our Little League wants his team to be the Brewers.  Some of the board members are afraid this would be a bad thing--to have kids "endorsing" beer.  Opinions?




Some people are offended by alcohol for themselves and their 11-year olds.  It's an ok name for adults from Milwaukee, it's stupid to create an issue with the devout Baptists and Muslims and Church of Christ in your little league.




Actually it is a 4 - 6 yr old T-ball team.  Therein lies the controversy.




Someone is going to be offended, maybe for religious reasons, maybe because advertising beer to 5 year olds just seems tasteless.  Personally, I would want my kid to remember his first baseball team as the Brewers.  He'll manage to drink enough beer on his own.  It's stupid.
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2006, 06:03:59 pm »
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Someone is going to be offended, maybe for religious reasons, maybe because advertising beer to 5 year olds just seems tasteless.  Personally, I would want my kid to remember his first baseball team as the Brewers.  He'll manage to drink enough beer on his own.  It's stupid.




How is that advertising Beer? How is it not more tasteless to advertise murder, rape, theft, and kidnapping (Pirates)?

You might not want to have the Athletics, because then the uncoordinated kids will feel bad. The Texas Ranger Division instigated a war against the Cherokee and the Comanche - Better hope there are no American Indian kids on that team. Nationals might offend any non-citizen playing. Hell, trolly dodger was a pejorative term for Brookyln residents. Better name the teams after teletubbies (but not that gay one)
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Someone is going to be offended, maybe for religious reasons, maybe because advertising beer to 5 year olds just seems tasteless.  Personally, I would want my kid to remember his first baseball team as the Brewers.  He'll manage to drink enough beer on his own.  It's stupid.




How is that advertising Beer? How is it not more tasteless to advertise murder, rape, theft, and kidnapping (Pirates)?

You might not want to have the Athletics, because then the uncoordinated kids will feel bad. The Texas Ranger Division instigated a war against the Cherokee and the Comanche - Better hope there are no American Indian kids on that team. Nationals might offend any non-citizen playing. Hell, trolly dodger was a pejorative term for Brookyln residents. Better name the teams after teletubbies (but not that gay one)





This sounds like something a sophomore in college would write.  Aren't you a junior?
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2006, 06:13:00 pm »
Senior actually, if you can believe it.

I still don't get why the Brewer's endorses beer. It's not tied to any beer company - the name goes back to Milwaukee teams since the 19th century.

Since your argument is pragmatic (I hope), let me just say the kind of people who get upset over this seem like the kind looking to get upset. You probably don't want them in your league.
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2006, 06:19:26 pm »
no, this sort of PC bs is what is stupid. the team is named after a MLB team, not alcohol.

i'm with you, BZ. it is incredibly stupid, and your Pirates analogy is perfect.
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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2006, 06:33:35 pm »
We got an argument, and that's my point exactly.  If it's controversial here, why do you want to throw it onto a little league board?  The whole point of little league is to introduce 8 year olds to baseball, not to argue whether Brewers is an appropriate name.  You got 3 muslims and 1 baptist who think alcohol is inappropriate, then it's inappropriate. It's not like there aren't a hundred other names.

You think you could name a high school team the Brewers?  Or a college team?
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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2006, 06:46:46 pm »
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We got an argument, and that's my point exactly.  If it's controversial here, why do you want to throw it onto a little league board?  The whole point of little league is to introduce 8 year olds to baseball, not to argue whether Brewers is an appropriate name.  You got 3 muslims and 1 baptist who think alcohol is inappropriate, then it's inappropriate.




Bizidy's analogy still holds up.  My guess it that those 3 muslims and 1 baptist would not approve of rape, murder, and theft (giving benefit of the doubt here), but it would be unlikely they would be offended by the name Pirate's.

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It's not like there aren't a hundred other names.





Might I suggest the Limp-wristed Candyasses

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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2006, 06:51:04 pm »
Boilermakers would be a better name.

Or perhaps screwdrivers.

Perhaps, the Brewers produce Root Beer or Ginger Beer.

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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2006, 06:52:59 pm »
or hot tea.

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« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2006, 06:56:52 pm »
Shoot, to some people, "Yankees" is even more offensive than "Pirates".

Here's an idea - suggest a nice, generic, non-offensive team name like "Fluffers".
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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2006, 07:12:28 pm »
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We got an argument, and that's my point exactly.  If it's controversial here, why do you want to throw it onto a little league board?  The whole point of little league is to introduce 8 year olds to baseball, not to argue whether Brewers is an appropriate name.  You got 3 muslims and 1 baptist who think alcohol is inappropriate, then it's inappropriate.




Bizidy's analogy still holds up.  My guess it that those 3 muslims and 1 baptist would not approve of rape, murder, and theft (giving benefit of the doubt here), but it would be unlikely they would be offended by the name Pirate's.

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Might I suggest the Limp-wristed Candyasses

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You think you could name a high school team the Brewers?  Or a college team?




Why not?  Just because they haven't doesn't mean they shouldn't or couldn't.





I don't think the analogy particularly holds up.  Pirates are cartoon figures, like Vikings. Find me a significant population who's offended by Vikings or pirates, we'll go from there.  If you want a better analogy, try Pornographers, or Distillers, or GayBarOwners.  It's an industry that a pretty significant sector would be just about equally offended by: Muslims, Mormons, Church of Christ, Southern Baptists, and at least one of those is a pretty significant part of the likely population in any given Texas little league.  Or on any given Texas school board.. . . If Jim is willing to go into one of his school board's and argue that Brewers is a completely appropriate name for the high school baseball team, well, he's happier with a donnybrook than I am.

I wouldn't name the team Candyasses, either.  Or Rebels.  Or Redskins.  Different populations offended, but they're also tasteless for a group of 4 year olds.  The point is to give kids a chance to play baseball, not to give the board a headache.  What's the point?  Stupid.
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I couldn't agree more.  It's amazing that there are more than two people in this country that would engage in hand wringing over whether naming a little league baseball team  after an existing MLB team  would be appropriate.
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I couldn't agree more.  It's amazing that there are more than two people in this country that would engage in hand wringing over whether naming a little league baseball team  after an existing MLB team  would be appropriate.





There's an existing NFL team called the Redskins, and I'd be willing to bet, for better or worse, you could raise hell in lots of places in this country if you wanted to name a youth football team that. The NCAA wouldn't let you name a college team that and still play in its tournaments.

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I couldn't agree more.  It's amazing that there are more than two people in this country that would engage in hand wringing over whether naming a little league baseball team  after an existing MLB team  would be appropriate.




I can assure you that there are little league southern baptist mothers in deer park who have no clue that there's an mlb team called the brewers.  I can also assure you that little league isn't major league baseball.  

Let's try a s'pose.  S'pose you are on a little league board in Salt Lake City, Utah, where the good Mormons don't drink beer, ginger beer, root beer, or iced tea.  A coach comes to you and says I'd like to name my little league team the brewers, because that's my favorite mlb team.  You are going to say, great idea, my Mormon community is going to embrace that heart and soul.

So s'pose you name that team the Brewers.  First parent who comes to you is the local Southern Baptist pastor--let's name him Preacher Pettite--and he says I'm devoutly Southern Baptist and we don't believe in Bernie Brewer and liquor and I'd like my child moved off that team.  So what are you going to do?  You've had your draft, the kids are assigned, and this parent, for good reasons, wants his child off that team. You going to say oh no, little Andy shouldn't play?  He's either on the brewers--cause they are, after all, a milwaukee mlb team--or he's out of the league.

This is just not a road that little league wants to go down.  It's not the Yankees, it's not the Pirates, it ain't the Rangers.  It is, for some people, the Redskins, and I wouldn't name a Pop Warner team the Redskins.
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« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2006, 09:31:12 pm »
It doesn't matter whether people should or should not be offended by it; if they are, they are.  There isn't much you can do about that.  And if someone does indeed find the name offensive, change it and move on.

Little League should be inclusive and if you could avoid offending someone, you should.  The are greater battlefields to fight the war against over zealous political cortectness than on the LIttle League diamond.

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« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2006, 09:37:23 pm »
We're obviously all bored.  I can't believe I read to the end of this thread.

But having done so, let me pose a question.  Does anybody out there seriously think that their problems as adults derive from something as silly as the name/mascot of their 8-year-old little league team?  C'mon!!
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I can assure you that there are little league southern baptist mothers in deer park who have no clue that there's an mlb team called the brewers.  I can also assure you that little league isn't major league baseball.  

Let's try a s'pose.  S'pose you are on a little league board in Salt Lake City, Utah, where the good Mormons don't drink beer, ginger beer, root beer, or iced tea.  A coach comes to you and says I'd like to name my little league team the brewers, because that's my favorite mlb team.  You are going to say, great idea, my Mormon community is going to embrace that heart and soul.

So s'pose you name that team the Brewers.  First parent who comes to you is the local Southern Baptist pastor--let's name him Preacher Pettite--and he says I'm devoutly Southern Baptist and we don't believe in Bernie Brewer and liquor and I'd like my child moved off that team.  So what are you going to do?  You've had your draft, the kids are assigned, and this parent, for good reasons, wants his child off that team. You going to say oh no, little Andy shouldn't play?  He's either on the brewers--cause they are, after all, a milwaukee mlb team--or he's out of the league.

This is just not a road that little league wants to go down.  It's not the Yankees, it's not the Pirates, it ain't the Rangers.  It is, for some people, the Redskins, and I wouldn't name a Pop Warner team the Redskins.





I get what you're saying Neil.  The issue for me is extreme political correctness which I personally find annoying.  There is always going to be something to everything that offends somebody.  At some point, you just ought to be able to say "get a friggin life".  What if the team is named the Browns and the father of the hispanic kid complains?  What then?  Change the name to the Reds?  Then the kid whose family is 1/20th Cherokee might be offended....it goes on and on.

When naming any sports team at any level the goal is to find a name that is "tough", defines the team/city character, and has some appeal to players/fans.  The problem is that not everyone will agree on a name.  EVER.  At some point, somebody just has to say our team will be called the Tigers...or whatever...and everybody that doesn't like it can jump in the lake.

Now in the case of this little league team, somebody with a set of stones could have said no to the name Brewers, thought of a better name, and moved on.  But instead they discussed, debated and created an issue.  My guess is that the hand wringing was to demonstrate what caring, compassionate, and thoughtful people they were by agonizing over whether their kids would be truamatized by being associated with the production of alcoholic beverages.
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« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2006, 10:01:33 pm »
Name the team the "Teetotalers."
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I don't think the analogy particularly holds up.  Pirates are cartoon figures, like Vikings.  




Unlike  Bernie Brewer who is plucked right out of the nearest alehouse.
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I wouldn't name the team Candyasses, either. Or Rebels. Or Redskins. Different populations offended, but they're also tasteless for a group of 4 year olds. The point is to give kids a chance to play baseball, not to give the board a headache. What's the point? Stupid.  




It's not tasteless for a group of 4 year olds, they could care less, it's their parents that are looking for a platform to announce their beliefs to the community, it's just a name, just shut-up and play ball. Besides, is beer the only thing that's brewed? Coffee? Nope, still offends the Mormons. Tea?
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« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2006, 10:03:02 am »
So Mikey, you know you're going to offend a group of people, you go out of your way to do it, and you expect them to shut up and not say anything? Mostly it doesn't work that way, and you've dumped an unecessary headache on the board they now have to deal with.  If the point is to play ball, then name the team something else, shut up, and play ball.  If the point is to prove your manliness and intellectual superiority by name a group of 4 year olds the Brewers, then go out an form a select team of superior 4 year old players and name them the Rollers of Big Cigars.  Don't do it in a community organization like Little League.
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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2006, 10:07:26 am »
 
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Why does he need to find a "significant population" when it is clear, in situations like this, that it justtakes one or a couple of folks who pseudu-offended to cause the dsipute.
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« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2006, 10:38:02 am »
Why not make everyone happy and name them the "Drunk Baptists." When I coached a bunch of four year olds they sure acted like a bunch of drunk baptists...peeing on the field, running in circles, hooting, hollering, having fun.
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« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2006, 11:42:16 am »
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So Mikey, you know you're going to offend a group of people, you go out of your way to do it, and you expect them to shut up and not say anything? Mostly it doesn't work that way, and you've dumped an unecessary headache on the board they now have to deal with.  If the point is to play ball, then name the team something else, shut up, and play ball.  If the point is to prove your manliness and intellectual superiority by name a group of 4 year olds the Brewers, then go out an form a select team of superior 4 year old players and name them the Rollers of Big Cigars.  Don't do it in a community organization like Little League.




Neil, I can understand the board's prudence in the matter by wanting to avoid offending someone(s) with the name Brewers. My problem is with the parents that are potentially offended by a t-ball team going by the same name as an existing MLB franchise. Their kids are not endorsing the consumption of beer, they are playing ball. It's about the kids and playing ball, not the parents and their fragile egos.
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Why does he need to find a "significant population" when it is clear, in situations like this, that it justtakes one or a couple of folks who pseudu-offended to cause the dsipute.





Cause you can blow off someone who's clearly got a problem that's not shared by a pretty good constituency.  In Texas, little league can't blow off the Baptists.  In Salt Lake City, little league can't blow off the Mormons.  Little Andy Pettite needs his place to play.
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« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2006, 12:00:54 pm »
Being offended isn't such a bad thing, it helps define levels of tolerance. Wait. Muslims?!?!?! You don't want to piss them off. A little league name ain't worth getting your head chopped off for.
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« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2006, 12:08:02 pm »
On a related P.C. note, and showing how taking offense can be taken too far:

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"Dudley Metropolitan Borough Council (Tory-controlled) has now announced that, following a complaint by a Muslim employee, all work pictures and knick-knacks of novelty pigs and "pig-related items" will be banned. Among the verboten items is one employee's box of tissues, because it features a representation of Winnie the Pooh and Piglet."

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"Burger King withdrew its ice-cream cones from its British restaurants because Mr Rashad Akhtar of High Wycombe, after a trip to the Park Royal branch, complained that the creamy swirl on the lid resembled the word "Allah" in Arabic script."

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« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2006, 12:09:32 pm »
i've been on LL boards. they should laugh their asses off and ignore it.
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Cause you can blow off someone who's clearly got a problem that's not shared by a pretty good constituency.  In Texas, little league can't blow off the Baptists.  In Salt Lake City, little league can't blow off the Mormons.  Little Andy Pettite needs his place to play.




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So Mikey, you know you're going to offend a group of people, you go out of your way to do it, and you expect them to shut up and not say anything? Mostly it doesn't work that way, and you've dumped an unecessary headache on the board they now have to deal with.  If the point is to play ball, then name the team something else, shut up, and play ball.  If the point is to prove your manliness and intellectual superiority by name a group of 4 year olds the Brewers, then go out an form a select team of superior 4 year old players and name them the Rollers of Big Cigars.  Don't do it in a community organization like Little League.




Neil, I can understand the board's prudence in the matter by wanting to avoid offending someone(s) with the name Brewers. My problem is with the parents that are potentially offended by a t-ball team going by the same name as an existing MLB franchise. Their kids are not endorsing the consumption of beer, they are playing ball. It's about the kids and playing ball, not the parents and their fragile egos.





Prudence is exactly the right word.  Parents with devout religious beliefs probably deserve the benefit of the doubt:  that they aren't complaining just because of their fragile egos, that the good Preacher Pettite really does have a fair gripe about associating little Andy with the brewing of beer. Whether MLB has accepted the Brewers has nothing to do with whether it's wise for a little league in Deer Park or Pasadena or Fort Bend County. Even if it is just Preacher Pettite's fragile ego, at least my experience of kids' sports--or school boards or boy scouts--is that parents' fragile egos is part of the playing field, and that part of the job of the board is to make the experience as good as possible for all of the community.

Let me suggest this to you, go to Deer Park.  Name one team of 4-year olds the brewers, name one team of 4-year olds the tadpoles.  Which team is going to play better ball? Which team is going to learn more about baseball?  Which team is likely to have a parent who doesn't want their child on the team for a legitimate reason?  Maybe it's not because the parent's a southern baptist, maybe it's because the parent's in AAA and he doesn't want to be reminded of beer every time he goes to a little league game.
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« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2006, 12:16:34 pm »
I think the first problem that needs to be addressed is why some manager wants to name the team after the fuckin' brewers.  What the fuck have they done in the last 20 years, other than build a shitty new stadium, move into the second division of the NL Central instead of the second division of the AL East, and have a bunch of pork products race around the infield while trying to avoid being hit by Randall Simon's bat?
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I think that goes to the question of whether this guy's really qualified to be coaching baseball at any level.  It's probably better than the Cubs, though.
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...maybe it's because the parent's in AAA and he doesn't want to be reminded of beer every time he goes to a little league game.




What does an Auto Club have to do with beer?  Does the AAA endorse drinking and driving?  Scandalous.

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What does an Auto Club have to do with beer?  Does the AAA endorse drinking and driving?  Scandalous.





Isn't it the American Alcoholics Association?  I know they sent me a card the same time I got my AARP card.
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congrats! a new standard for PC foolishness: "he doesn't want to be reminded of beer every time he goes to a little league game."
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I'm offended by such hyper-sensitivty. I just can't abide with such inflexabilty. Narrow-minded rigid fuckers piss me off. Sorry, but this is a two-way street, not some backwoods dark alley. Welcome to the real world, it's not fair and you can't always have your way. But you can learn from it. Can't we all just fuckin' get along, please. Still, I agree with Foghorn, the guy's an idiot who is just stirring shit up. Brewers my ass. He pushing buttons.
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no, this sort of PC bs is what is stupid. the team is named after a MLB team, not alcohol.





IMO, the problem isn't really the advent of PC.  It's the death of common courtesy.  Died sometime in the early '80's, R.I.P.  Now every little thing that comes up, from the namimg of a LL team to the cartoons in the goddamn newspaper, is a major confrontation, with hardened postions on both sides, more name-calling and sanctimony going on than any give-and-take.  How hard is it to understand you can't win every battle?  That you don't go out of your way to offend your neighbor, and you don't go out of your way to be offended by your neighbor, either?  The Golden Rule?

If I am old enough to remember a time when something like this would've been settled on the spot, more-or-less to the satisfaction of everyone involved, or at least something both sides could've lived with, long before it escalated to the point where it's in the news and everyone has got their feelings hurt and have hardened their positions, on whichever side, then I know you are.

What's stupid to me is not that someone is offended by the name 'Brewers', or that someone else feels their integrity or manhood or whatever is sufficiently threatened to fight for the name 'Brewers'.  It's that no one at that LL apparently could figure a way to resolve this before it became a big fucking deal.  Jesus.

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Actually, it has not even come to a fight.  The coach asked my husband, who asked a couple of board members 2 didnt care, 2 were afraid parents might care but didnt care themselves.  If the actual discussion ends up being anything like this thread I'll let you know.   I never expected anything like this dicussion.
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Thanks for the link Arky, i have no idea whether that story was true (it sounds bogus), but either way, this line from the OP/ED piece made me chuckle.

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Prudence is exactly the right word.  Parents with devout religious beliefs probably deserve the benefit of the doubt:  that they aren't complaining just because of their fragile egos, that the good Preacher Pettite really does have a fair gripe about associating little Andy with the brewing of beer. Whether MLB has accepted the Brewers has nothing to do with whether it's wise for a little league in Deer Park or Pasadena or Fort Bend County. Even if it is just Preacher Pettite's fragile ego, at least my experience of kids' sports--or school boards or boy scouts--is that parents' fragile egos is part of the playing field, and that part of the job of the board is to make the experience as good as possible for all of the community.

Let me suggest this to you, go to Deer Park.  Name one team of 4-year olds the brewers, name one team of 4-year olds the tadpoles.  Which team is going to play better ball? Which team is going to learn more about baseball?  Which team is likely to have a parent who doesn't want their child on the team for a legitimate reason?  Maybe it's not because the parent's a southern baptist, maybe it's because the parent's in AAA and he doesn't want to be reminded of beer every time he goes to a little league game.





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no, this sort of PC bs is what is stupid. the team is named after a MLB team, not alcohol.





IMO, the problem isn't really the advent of PC.  It's the death of common courtesy.  Died sometime in the early '80's, R.I.P.  Now every little thing that comes up, from the namimg of a LL team to the cartoons in the goddamn newspaper, is a major confrontation, with hardened postions on both sides, more name-calling and sanctimony going on than any give-and-take.  How hard is it to understand you can't win every battle?  That you don't go out of your way to offend your neighbor, and you don't go out of your way to be offended by your neighbor, either?  The Golden Rule?

If I am old enough to remember a time when something like this would've been settled on the spot, more-or-less to the satisfaction of everyone involved, or at least something both sides could've lived with, long before it escalated to the point where it's in the news and everyone has got their feelings hurt and have hardened their positions, on whichever side, then I know you are.

What's stupid to me is not that someone is offended by the name 'Brewers', or that someone else feels their integrity or manhood or whatever is sufficiently threatened to fight for the name 'Brewers'.  It's that no one at that LL apparently could figure a way to resolve this before it became a big fucking deal.  Jesus.





Possibly they were intimidated by the next two items on the agenda, does jumping around after a win constitute dancing?  And where is the proper spot to applique the teams logo on a burqa?

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congrats! a new standard for PC foolishness



tangential PC foolishness of the day:  

the new Houston MLS team (named Houston 1836 after the year the city was founded) will supposedly change its name due to pressure from the Mexican community (who don't want to be reminded that that was also the year of our state's independence from Mexico).
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Actually, it has not even come to a fight.  The coach asked my husband, who asked a couple of board members 2 didnt care, 2 were afraid parents might care but didnt care themselves.  If the actual discussion ends up being anything like this thread I'll let you know.   I never expected anything like this dicussion.




We're bored.  I'm from West Texas, where things like Baptists matter, and it may have warped my sense of proportion. I'd expect that lots of folks would think it was no big deal, some folks would.
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I dunno Jim, I think most kids I know work a whole lot harder than I ever did.  Most parents assume their kids are wimps prone to failure, not that the system's out to get their child.
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Actually, it has not even come to a fight.  The coach asked my husband, who asked a couple of board members 2 didnt care, 2 were afraid parents might care but didnt care themselves.  If the actual discussion ends up being anything like this thread I'll let you know.   I never expected anything like this dicussion.




We're bored.  I'm from West Texas, where things like Baptists matter, and it may have warped my sense of proportion. I'd expect that lots of folks would think it was no big deal, some folks would.






I shot my whole 'self-righteous' wad for... nothing.

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We're bored.  I'm from West Texas, where things like Baptists matter, and it may have warped my sense of proportion. I'd expect that lots of folks would think it was no big deal, some folks would.





I shot my whole 'self-righteous' wad for... nothing.

Damn.




I dunno, I thought courtesy just about summed it up.
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You think they're changing their name for political correctness?  How many season tickets have you bought?
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Sounds like a change for PC to me.  Granted the name sucks, but so what if pro soccer is your gig?  If Hawaii had a baseball club called the 1941's, it would be a strange name, but if you liked baseball, just buy the ticket.

I try to imagine Houston soccer fan sitting at home thinking "I would have bought a ticket to the game, but the team name is an insult to my heritage". Petty.  If the name were La Migra or The Slavetraders then common sense would dictate a name change.

1836??  I can't even tell you who was president in 1836 without looking it up, how can people be offended by a calender date 150+ years in the past?
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I believe it was Sam Houston.




Very clever.  Since we were on the topic I dug up a website on PC terms.  Link .  Some of them are really funny (especially the PC term for pregnant).
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I believe it was Sam Houston.




Very clever.  Since we were on the topic I dug up a website on PC terms.  Link .  Some of them are really funny (especially the PC term for pregnant).




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Sounds like a change for PC to me.  Granted the name sucks, but so what if pro soccer is your gig?  If Hawaii had a baseball club called the 1941's, it would be a strange name, but if you liked baseball, just buy the ticket.

I try to imagine Houston soccer fan sitting at home thinking "I would have bought a ticket to the game, but the team name is an insult to my heritage". Petty.  If the name were La Migra or The Slavetraders then common sense would dictate a name change.

1836??  I can't even tell you who was president in 1836 without looking it up, how can people be offended by a calender date 150+ years in the past?





Anschutz Entertainment didn't know enough Texas history to realize that 1836 was the year Texas defeated Mexico. A big part of their potential customers are Mexican nationals or of Mexican descent. Houston soccer's single biggest question is whether they're going to be able to attract fans of Mexican League Soccer to an American league.  If they do, soccer works, if they don't, you got a half dozen soccer dads like me buying season tickets and an empty stadium.  You guys throw around PC like you're Rush Limbaugh, but the soccer team's doing this because they're scared they won't sell tickets to a group they badly need to sell tickets to.  I don't know what PC is except an excuse for whatever behavior folks want to justify, but I do know money.  This is money.
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Anschutz Entertainment didn't know enough Texas history to realize that 1836 was the year Texas defeated Mexico. A big part of their potential customers are Mexican nationals or of Mexican descent. Houston soccer's single biggest question is whether they're going to be able to attract fans of Mexican League Soccer to an American league.  If they do, soccer works, if they don't, you got a half dozen soccer dads like me buying season tickets and an empty stadium.  You guys throw around PC like you're Rush Limbaugh, but the soccer team's doing this because they're scared they won't sell tickets to a group they badly need to sell tickets to.  I don't know what PC is except an excuse for whatever behavior folks want to justify, but I do know money.  This is money.





Absolutely.  I agree with you 100%.  If your target audience is pissed off enough to boycott, then you must take action.  Good business.

But c'mon... 1836?  Somebody that is taking a stand against that is looking for something to be offended by.  That's what makes this topic interesting.  It is indeed a slippery slope and once you give in to the offended group, then at what point do you stop?  Should they honor the Mexican culture by starting the games with the Mexican National Anthem and having bullfights during the halftime break?  After all, both of those things are part of Mexican culture.
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PC is all about money and fear.  As you say, it's also good business.  And the fear in most cases is fear of frivolous lawsuits, so the PC is designed to avoid a situation that could give rise to legal troubles.  That's what makes PC so systemic and difficult to avoid--it's a sound policy.  But that doesn't stop it from being annoying.
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The only people complaining are politicians.  I understand your point, and while I wouldn't claim to have spoken to millions of Mexicans or Mexican-Americans about this.  The 50 or so I have spoken with since the name was posted as an option on the website thought it was pretty cool, or at least had no problem with it.

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Absolutely.  I agree with you 100%.  If your target audience is pissed off enough to boycott, then you must take action.  Good business.

But c'mon... 1836?  Somebody that is taking a stand against that is looking for something to be offended by.  That's what makes this topic interesting.  It is indeed a slippery slope and once you give in to the offended group, then at what point do you stop?  Should they honor the Mexican culture by starting the games with the Mexican National Anthem and having bullfights during the halftime break?  After all, both of those things are part of Mexican culture.





They don't have to be offended, they just have to be indifferent enought to not buy tickets.   If they'd rather watch Chivas on Univision than go to watch a  team named after that time the Texicans whipped Mexico's butts, well, Houston MLB's kinda shot itself in the foot, hasn't it?  So yeah, there may not be bullfights, but you can bet the announcements will be in English and Spanish.  and it's not for political correctness.
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The only people complaining are politicians.  I understand your point, and while I wouldn't claim to have spoken to millions of Mexicans or Mexican-Americans about this.  The 50 or so I have spoken with since the name was posted as an option on the website thought it was pretty cool, or at least had no problem with it.





I thought the name was pretty cool, too.  And I will buy tickets, at least as long as they're not named the Brewers.  But there's plenty of competition for that soccer dollar--including the Astros--so why take the risk?  Maybe AEG's prime motive isn't just to to sell a bunch of tickets in the Mexican-American community, but I sholy would guess it's high on their list. A whole lot higher than honoring Houston's birthdate.
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Anschutz Entertainment didn't know enough Texas history to realize that 1836 was the year Texas defeated Mexico. A big part of their potential customers are Mexican nationals or of Mexican descent. Houston soccer's single biggest question is whether they're going to be able to attract fans of Mexican League Soccer to an American league.  If they do, soccer works, if they don't, you got a half dozen soccer dads like me buying season tickets and an empty stadium.  You guys throw around PC like you're Rush Limbaugh, but the soccer team's doing this because they're scared they won't sell tickets to a group they badly need to sell tickets to.  I don't know what PC is except an excuse for whatever behavior folks want to justify, but I do know money.  This is money.





The only people complaining are politicians.  I understand your point, and while I wouldn't claim to have spoken to millions of Mexicans or Mexican-Americans about this.  The 50 or so I have spoken with since the name was posted as an option on the website thought it was pretty cool, or at least had no problem with it.




I thought the name was pretty cool, too.  And I will buy tickets, at least as long as they're not named the Brewers.  But there's plenty of competition for that soccer dollar--including the Astros--so why take the risk?  Maybe AEG's prime motive isn't just to to sell a bunch of tickets in the Mexican-American community, but I sholy would guess it's high on their list. A whole lot higher than honoring Houston's birthdate.




Then name the team "Children"

If the kids were gonna be called "Beerdrinkers" you have a point. Brewers is just another one of those wah wah PC moments that is ruining this country. But if you choose to be that way here are some more names that need to be eliminated from your list.

Braves - Indians are insulted.
Phillies - Women may find this offensive
Marlins - All men named Marlin sees this as a slap.
Mets - Short for metropolitans which some folks don't like the Metropolitan.
Nationals - This might offend the foreign born players.
Astros - Could be misinterpreted as an expletive.
Cubs - Bears eat people. This will scare the kids.
Cardinals - Will offend Catholics worldwide.
Brewers & Pirates - Already discussed.
Reds - Will offend the communist that live in this country.
Dodgers - Does this mean draft dodgers?
Rockies - Used as a slogan on Coors.
Padres - Will offend any future monks on the team
Giants - They have feeling too.
Diamondbacks - Again will scare the kids.

Thats just the NL. The AL is filled with offensive teams also.

Did I just make a stupid post? Very much so. But no more stupid than disrupting an entire LL over a name like Brewers.
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Anschutz Entertainment didn't know enough Texas history to realize that 1836 was the year Texas defeated Mexico. A big part of their potential customers are Mexican nationals or of Mexican descent. Houston soccer's single biggest question is whether they're going to be able to attract fans of Mexican League Soccer to an American league.  If they do, soccer works, if they don't, you got a half dozen soccer dads like me buying season tickets and an empty stadium.  You guys throw around PC like you're Rush Limbaugh, but the soccer team's doing this because they're scared they won't sell tickets to a group they badly need to sell tickets to.  I don't know what PC is except an excuse for whatever behavior folks want to justify, but I do know money.  This is money.





The only people complaining are politicians.  I understand your point, and while I wouldn't claim to have spoken to millions of Mexicans or Mexican-Americans about this.  The 50 or so I have spoken with since the name was posted as an option on the website thought it was pretty cool, or at least had no problem with it.




I thought the name was pretty cool, too.  And I will buy tickets, at least as long as they're not named the Brewers.  But there's plenty of competition for that soccer dollar--including the Astros--so why take the risk?  Maybe AEG's prime motive isn't just to to sell a bunch of tickets in the Mexican-American community, but I sholy would guess it's high on their list. A whole lot higher than honoring Houston's birthdate.




Then name the team "Children"

If the kids were gonna be called "Beerdrinkers" you have a point. Brewers is just another one of those wah wah PC moments that is ruining this country. But if you choose to be that way here are some more names that need to be eliminated from your list.

Braves - Indians are insulted.
Phillies - Women may find this offensive
Marlins - All men named Marlin sees this as a slap.
Mets - Short for metropolitans which some folks don't like the Metropolitan.
Nationals - This might offend the foreign born players.
Astros - Could be misinterpreted as an expletive.
Cubs - Bears eat people. This will scare the kids.
Cardinals - Will offend Catholics worldwide.
Brewers & Pirates - Already discussed.
Reds - Will offend the communist that live in this country.
Dodgers - Does this mean draft dodgers?
Rockies - Used as a slogan on Coors.
Padres - Will offend any future monks on the team
Giants - They have feeling too.
Diamondbacks - Again will scare the kids.

Thats just the NL. The AL is filled with offensive teams also.

Did I just make a stupid post? Very much so. But no more stupid than disrupting an entire LL over a name like Brewers.




Like I said, you guys throw around PC like you're Rush Limbaugh on uppers.  You tell me what PC is, and maybe I'll agree it's somehow ruining the country.  I'd say that kind of crap--not worrying about whether your neighbors are offended--is a whole lot worse for the country than any harm being pc does, whatever that may be.

The only folks who tend to worry about whether something is pc are not are conservative demagogues who want to stifle debate with a meaningless catchphrase.  How in the world is worrying about whether a LL boards is going to be swamped with extraneous bs going to ruin the USA?
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« Reply #68 on: February 17, 2006, 12:22:05 pm »
"conservative demogogues" are the only folks who say PC is nonsense???????????????????????????????????????

puts you on the Moral High Ground doesn't it?

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puts you on the Moral High Ground doesn't it?

wimps, a nation of. mommy and daddy rush in to fix everything and protect the little darlings from any unpleasant, bad idea. pave the way from infancy all the way through college.





Ok, other kinds of demagogues as well.
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« Reply #70 on: February 17, 2006, 12:51:07 pm »
like those from Psychology Today?
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like those from Psychology Today?




Who say that our children are over-coddled and protected?  Go back 50 years and you'll find articles about how we're a nation of wimps with over-coddled children.  Go back 200 years and you'll find articles about how great britain is a nation of wimps that over-coddles it's children.  Children are always over-coddled.  They're children.
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« Reply #72 on: February 17, 2006, 01:23:06 pm »
Maybe PC can be defined as over-coddling those who are no longer children, but rather adults.  I would contend that the whole Brewers brouhaha is not about the kids but is instead about the parents.  It's the parents woh are offended, not the youngsters.  If you'll forgive the term, it's PC by proxy.
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« Reply #73 on: February 17, 2006, 01:57:19 pm »
I wonder how many kids, or adults for that matter, contemplate team names?  My first team name was "Polaris."  It was Houston and NASA was all the rage, so the league apparently thought it was a great idea to name the teams after aspects of the space program.  There were also the "Titans" and "Mercury" and other similar stuff.  I don't think I ever thought a minute about what the name meant or implied.  It was like the line in "Pulp Fiction:" ("It's just a name.  In America, names don't mean shit").
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I wonder how many kids, or adults for that matter, contemplate team names?  My first team name was "Polaris."  It was Houston and NASA was all the rage, so the league apparently thought it was a great idea to name the teams after aspects of the space program.  There were also the "Titans" and "Mercury" and other similar stuff.  I don't think I ever thought a minute about what the name meant or implied.  It was like the line in "Pulp Fiction:" ("It's just a name.  In America, names don't mean shit").




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« Reply #75 on: February 17, 2006, 02:43:29 pm »
I played 8 or 9 years of baseball growing up (through junior high -- no athlete am I), plus two seasons of soccer a year for about that long -- and I couldn't tell you the name of ONE of those teams.
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« Reply #76 on: February 17, 2006, 03:33:25 pm »
My LL team name was Vikings. Every night after the game I had the urge to gore someone with a horned helmet. I cannot tell where the bodies are buried.
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« Reply #77 on: February 17, 2006, 03:56:07 pm »
Now that we've beat this subject well beyond death, I will post the following, which is the single funniest little league email ever written.  The little league serves River Oaks and the Galleria area:

Dear Fall Ball Moms-

Pirates Fall Ball 2005 is coming to a close.  It's been a huge success, a lot of fun and I'd like to thank you on for keeping your player active in baseball during the off-season.  I am confident that the result of the efforts of everyone involved this fall will be better baseball from our boys and for our league this spring.

We are going to cap off our fall campaign by entering Pirate teams in two tournaments in February.  I am going to ask about your players' availability for those tournaments later in this message, but first I want to take this opportunity to address some things about the enjoyable experience I have had working with you.

The hundreds of emails (could it be a thousand?) that I
have received from you girls these past several months have afforded me tremendous personal growth.

I have acquiesced to the fact that it really does take you 4-6 paragraphs to answer a yes or no question.  I am no longer surprised that you have no idea what size your own son wears. I am much more understanding when I am inquiring about a particular weekend, that you need to tell me not only your plans for THAT weekend, but also the previous weekend, the following weekend, spring break, and if it's something especially exciting, this summer as well.  And I have increased awareness of all the injuries, ailments and medical maladies that visit themselves upon
our children.   Your illustrative descriptions of bumps, swellings, spots, dots, rashes and red things that present themselves on every part of the body imaginable, have been quite educational.  Although I could definitely have lived without the detailed tales of your husbands' bouts of intestinal distress.

And it doesn't even bother me anymore that with every
answer you give me, you are also compelled to provide
a lengthy explanation.  I often wonder if that habit formed back in college when some embarrassing dork used to keep asking you out and you were forced to continually come up with reasons why you couldn't go.

(Can you believe you ended up marrying that very same guy???)

I owe all the credit for this self-improvement to you ladies and am most appreciative.

Now back to baseball.  We would love to be able
to enter TWO Pirate teams in each of the two February tournaments and need to find out if there are going
to be enough players available to do that.   And, since
these tourneys require significant entry fees, I am
going to require a FIRM answer from you.  We don't want
to enter two teams and then end up with only enough
players for one.

So, based on my experience corresponding with you all, and
to make this fun, let's set a few ground rules.

Should your reply contain the words "maybe", "probably", "I think", "should be", "unless", "almost positive", or anything of that nature, I am going to send it back to you marked not accepted. I'm not talking about a 5 or 10 point deduction...I'm talkin' DQ'd.

Also, if your reply contains the word "if" as in...

If he gets his homework done
If the sty in his eye is gone
If his grandmother has left
If his sister's recital ends in time
If we're back from the lake, our ranch, our farm, our orchard or our island If my housekeeper is better If my husband is in town If the stitches are out or cast is off If I'm not pregnant If Dr. Mizell fixes his braces If we don't have to refuel on the way back from Gstaad

...the reply will be subject to immediate disqualification as well.

Now, before I give you girls the dates, please get out your blackberry's, treos, palm pilots, laptops and daytimers.

And just in case you forgot to enter something in your blackberry, treo, palm pilot, laptop or daytimer, go ahead and get your calendars out...your school calendar, social calendar, lunar calendar, charitable committee calendar, etc.

For the slim chance that you neglected to put something
on your calendar, let's go ahead and get all those schedules you moms have out too.  Your volunteer schedules, your carpool schedules (don't forget rotation days!), your hair, nail, wax and laser schedules, your workout and tennis schedule, your coffee, luncheon and supper club schedules,  your husband's travel schedule, your kids' basketball, gymnastics, ballet, softball, field hockey, lacrosse, music and choir schedules, scout and brownie schedules, tutor and private instructor schedules, teacher conference and vaccination schedules, as well as your bunko, mah-jong and menstrual schedules.

And just to be safe, go ahead and get out your checkbook register to see if you've written anything on it as well as all those little pieces of paper and receipts buried in the bottom of your purse that you've written things on.  Don't forget the ones in your car console, glove compartment, door pocket and above the sun visor.

Okay, here we go.  The dates for the tournaments are:

[dates omitted]

Is your player available to play?  Is he available for both, one, or none of the tournaments?  Is he available for the entire tourney or only specific days?  If it's specific weekend days, is it the entire day...or only the morning, afternoon or evening of those days?

Please let me know by no later than next Friday, Jan 27th.
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« Reply #78 on: February 17, 2006, 04:42:15 pm »
Hysterical.  I never knew Post Oak mothers to be so witty.

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It was the manager writing the mothers.  Very brave man.
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Corollary to above post: Find a league not run by Neil.

The idea that having the Brewers endorses beer is nuts. Does having the Pirates endorse piracy? Piracy should be far more offensive.




I think any team from anywhere should be allowed to call themselves "Pirates".  Unless they're from Butte, Montana, obviously.
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On a related P.C. note, and showing how taking offense can be taken too far:

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"Dudley Metropolitan Borough Council (Tory-controlled) has now announced that, following a complaint by a Muslim employee, all work pictures and knick-knacks of novelty pigs and "pig-related items" will be banned. Among the verboten items is one employee's box of tissues, because it features a representation of Winnie the Pooh and Piglet."

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"Burger King withdrew its ice-cream cones from its British restaurants because Mr Rashad Akhtar of High Wycombe, after a trip to the Park Royal branch, complained that the creamy swirl on the lid resembled the word "Allah" in Arabic script."




Please be aware that Dudley has long been considered a laughing-stock, long before it went PC-crazy.
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I'm offended by such hyper-sensitivty. I just can't abide with such inflexabilty. Narrow-minded rigid fuckers piss me off. Sorry, but this is a two-way street, not some backwoods dark alley. Welcome to the real world, it's not fair and you can't always have your way. But you can learn from it. Can't we all just fuckin' get along, please. Still, I agree with Foghorn, the guy's an idiot who is just stirring shit up. Brewers my ass. He pushing buttons.



I haven't looked up "tolerance" in the dictionary, but I'm pretty, damn sure it's what I deserve from other people, not the other way around.
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But c'mon... 1836?  Somebody that is taking a stand against that is looking for something to be offended by.  That's what makes this topic interesting.  It is indeed a slippery slope and once you give in to the offended group, then at what point do you stop?  Should they honor the Mexican culture by starting the games with the Mexican National Anthem and having bullfights during the halftime break?  After all, both of those things are part of Mexican culture.



This is so easily fixed.. All they need is to add a colon between the "18" and the "36", and it becomes the point during happy hour at which I become incoherent.  Where's the offense in that?
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Who say that our children are over-coddled and protected?  Go back 50 years and you'll find articles about how we're a nation of wimps with over-coddled children.  Go back 200 years and you'll find articles about how great britain is a nation of wimps that over-coddles it's children.  Children are always over-coddled.  They're children.



True, but we do over-coddle the upper classes.  Originally, they had endentured servants to tie their shoes because they could.  Now, it's a necessity.
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I was on the Longhorns when I was seven; name has haunted me ever since.





And will continue to for some time to come, I'm pretty sure.

In my high school (now defunct) I played football, for one thing. On offense, I was the left HB (Wishbone.)  And, oh yeah, we were called the Trojans.  And on some of our (rare) long pass plays, my job was to offer protection, usually from some attempt at deep, penetrating thrusts by the opposing defensive line into our enticing, yielding pocket.  Usually, I could hold up against all the wild, throbbing, pulsating pressure; but every once in awhile, I would break down and completely give way, don't you know.  And our quarterback would get creamed.

Boy, there was hell to pay then.



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And will continue to for some time to come, I'm pretty sure.

In my high school (now defunct) I played football, for one thing. On offense, I was the left HB (Wishbone.)  And, oh yeah, we were called the Trojans.  And on some of our (rare) long pass plays, my job was to offer protection, usually from some attempt at deep, penetrating thrusts by the opposing defensive line into our enticing, yielding pocket.  Usually, I could hold up against all the wild, throbbing, pulsating pressure; but every once in awhile, I would break down and completely give way, don't you know.  And our quarterback would get creamed.

Boy, there was hell to pay then.



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Who say that our children are over-coddled and protected?  Go back 50 years and you'll find articles about how we're a nation of wimps with over-coddled children.  Go back 200 years and you'll find articles about how great britain is a nation of wimps that over-coddles it's children.  Children are always over-coddled.  They're children.



True, but we do over-coddle the upper classes.  Originally, they had endentured servants to tie their shoes because they could.  Now, it's a necessity.





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« Reply #89 on: February 17, 2006, 07:34:58 pm »
Limey, I'm sorry that you have to occasionally be subjected to hearing the name, '76ers? That's got to be rough.
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And will continue to for some time to come, I'm pretty sure.

In my high school (now defunct) I played football, for one thing. On offense, I was the left HB (Wishbone.)  And, oh yeah, we were called the Trojans.  And on some of our (rare) long pass plays, my job was to offer protection, usually from some attempt at deep, penetrating thrusts by the opposing defensive line into our enticing, yielding pocket.  Usually, I could hold up against all the wild, throbbing, pulsating pressure; but every once in awhile, I would break down and completely give way, don't you know.  And our quarterback would get creamed.

Boy, there was hell to pay then.



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Priceless.  Now you're offending the Mycenae, though.
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Limey, I'm sorry that you have to occasionally be subjected to hearing the name, '76ers? That's got to be rough.




Egg-zactly!!  Great example.  Perhaps this is what drove Limey to the drink.  Poor guy.  His soul must be tortured by the humiliating defeat of the British 250+ years ago.

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I am writing the 76'ers an email pronto to demand that they change their name to something more sensitive and inclusive.




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PERFECT EXAMPLE!  I bet Limey has never yet bought a 76ers ticket.
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« Reply #94 on: February 18, 2006, 11:06:23 am »
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You think you could name a high school team the Brewers?  Or a college team?




In 92, when my High School played Shiner HS. Their team had the Shiner beer logo on thier helmets. Nobody cared... Whats next? People getting offended by indians on helmets?
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« Reply #95 on: February 18, 2006, 11:17:37 am »
Yeah, I was thinking Shiner might be the one.  Nathless, try it in Lubbock, or Abilene, or Deer Park.  And again, my point is not that I care one way or another, only that it's going to cause a good bit of extranneous BS that the board doesn't need.
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Re: Speaking of the Brewers
« Reply #96 on: February 18, 2006, 11:32:48 am »
My favorite is when a high school team from a US Army cavalry base plays a local team with an indian as a mascot. Makes for a good game.
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Re: Speaking of the Brewers
« Reply #97 on: February 18, 2006, 11:45:53 am »
Here you guys are worried about silly team mascots.  Meantime, I understand  these guys are trying to work the bomb into their offensive scheme.

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Re: Speaking of the Brewers
« Reply #98 on: February 18, 2006, 11:48:48 am »
Dude...Did you check out Amber? She is hot. I may have to dial ext 265...
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Re: Speaking of the Brewers
« Reply #99 on: February 19, 2006, 12:47:30 am »
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...your Pirates analogy is perfect.




Hmmm, the Pirates analogy seems to lack one similarity: Nobody's going to ask his mom what a Pirate is, get the response that it's someone who sailed in the ocean and robbed other boats, and respond: "Oh, you mean just like daddy?" Whereas there's a distinct possibility that some kid's dad struggles with overuse of the sauce.

I agree in principle that opposition to the name "Brewers" is lame. But my two thoughts are:

1) Even if it is lame, is it really worth fighting for? I mean, what is the upside of using the name "Brewers"? I say this under the assumption that, all else being equal, offending people is not preferable, even if those people are over-sensitive coddlers. I realize that many on this board don't share my preference not to offend.

2) Almost certainly, some kid's dad or close family member struggles with the sauce. That's just numbers. That being the case, doesn't it seem reasonable to cut that potentially offended (and albeit over-sensitive) family some slack?

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Re: Speaking of the Brewers
« Reply #100 on: February 19, 2006, 12:52:03 am »
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The 50 or so I have spoken with since the name was posted as an option on the website thought it was pretty cool, or at least had no problem with it.




Wow, that is a lot of conversations about the name of a soccer team.

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Re: Speaking of the Brewers
« Reply #101 on: February 19, 2006, 01:17:45 am »
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You tell me what PC is....




From Wiki:

Political correctness (also politically correct, P.C. or PC) is a term used in various countries to describe real or perceived attempts to impose limits on the acceptable language, terms, and viewpoints in public discussion. While it usually refers to a linguistic phenomenon, it is sometimes extended to cover political ideology or public behavior.

In several English-speaking nations, the term often has a pejorative or ironic meaning?typically connoting an excessive attempt by social or political liberals to alter language and culture. It is also sometimes used to describe attempts to respect marginalized groups (e.g., the Canadian Oxford Dictionary (Oxford University Press Canada 2001) defines political correctness as "the avoidance of forms of expression or action that exclude, marginalize, or insult certain racial or cultural groups" ).

According to predominantly conservative critics of what they call the "political correctness movement," PC involves censorship and social engineering, and has influenced popular culture, such as music, film, literature, arts and advertising.

Liberal and progressive commentators, however, argue that the term "political correctness" was hijacked by United States conservatives around 1980 and redefined as a way to reframe the political scene in the United States. They say that there never was a "Political Correctness movement" in the United States, and that many who use the term are attempting to distract attention from substantive debates over discrimination and unequal treatment based on race, class, and gender (Messer-Davidow 1993, 1994; Schultz 1993; Lauter 1995; Scatamburlo 1998).

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Re: Speaking of the Brewers
« Reply #102 on: February 19, 2006, 01:40:35 am »
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Someone is going to be offended, maybe for religious reasons, maybe because advertising beer to 5 year olds just seems tasteless.  Personally, I would want my kid to remember his first baseball team as the Brewers.  He'll manage to drink enough beer on his own.  It's stupid.




How is that advertising Beer? How is it not more tasteless to advertise murder, rape, theft, and kidnapping (Pirates)?

You might not want to have the Athletics, because then the uncoordinated kids will feel bad. The Texas Ranger Division instigated a war against the Cherokee and the Comanche - Better hope there are no American Indian kids on that team. Nationals might offend any non-citizen playing. Hell, trolly dodger was a pejorative term for Brookyln residents. Better name the teams after teletubbies (but not that gay one)




I don't buy that the mascot "Pirates" = rapists and kidnappers. Yes, I know pirates raped people. But in America circa 2006, people aren't going to hear the name Pirates and think about rape. Before you refute me, tell me: would you be okay actually calling a team "Rapists" then? Maybe you disagree with me, but I'm guessing 99% of people would make a distinction between "Pirates" & "Rapists." The term "Pirates" carries no cultural baggage or connotation. I think PC and non-PC alike would agree that Rapists would be a completely inappropriate mascot. So unless you're fine with the mascot "Rapists" or offended by the mascot "Pirates" your equivocation of "Pirates" and "Rapists" seems disingenuous to me.

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Re: Speaking of the Brewers
« Reply #103 on: February 19, 2006, 01:42:56 am »
And here I thought this was done.

Just so you're keeping up, my argument wasn't that pirates has those connotations but that brewers doesn't.
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Re: Speaking of the Brewers
« Reply #104 on: February 19, 2006, 10:42:48 am »
We don't actually work at work.

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Re: Speaking of the Brewers
« Reply #105 on: February 20, 2006, 11:23:41 am »
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We don't actually work at work.




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Re: Speaking of the Brewers
« Reply #106 on: February 20, 2006, 11:58:21 am »
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Re: Speaking of the Brewers
« Reply #107 on: February 20, 2006, 12:09:08 pm »
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Limey, I'm sorry that you have to occasionally be subjected to hearing the name, '76ers? That's got to be rough.



Not really.  At least it doesn't remind me of the debt of gratitude that I owe to the French.
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Re: Speaking of the Brewers
« Reply #108 on: February 20, 2006, 12:10:37 pm »
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Perhaps the Royals?



Something more patriotic.  The Gibsons?
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Re: Speaking of the Brewers
« Reply #109 on: February 21, 2006, 10:29:55 am »
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And here I thought this was done.

Just so you're keeping up, my argument wasn't that pirates has those connotations but that brewers doesn't.





Never thought you did. I just think you left the obvious component of connotation out of your Pirates = Rapists comparison.

I have Pittsburgh roots, so I guess that's why the comment interested me, in spite of being a Jonny-come-lately to it.