Author Topic: got $40 you can have lunch with milo/article bout new book (Read 3932 times)

Fredia · « **on:** February 09, 2006, 11:02:43 am »

The Link

might be an interesting read. tallks a lot bout dierker and his "managing" lack of style. odly that sseemd to be the emphasis of the article more than the stuff on milo

Taras Bulba · « **Reply #1 on:** February 09, 2006, 12:01:52 pm »

Per the Chronicle article, I thought Dierker's comments regarding Milo's criticism were fairly thoughtful. I think it's good having Dierker and Jim D. in the tv booth--I like hearing both of them.

WulawHorn · « **Reply #2 on:** February 09, 2006, 12:06:10 pm »

I love Dierk as a manager, even if there might be some truth about the playoffs and he did make some mistakes.

It surprises me not at all that he has a thoughtful and respectful way of dealing with criticism- he doesn't seem to me to be a big ego guy- at least from outsied looking in.

My take from reading his book is that his "style" was accountability and the guys making decisions on their own. He seemed almost sad that they didn't get further along then they did. What is funny is that I felt the collective IQ of his clubs baseball wise was pretty high. If he was disappointed some in them imagine what he would have felt for some of the more knuckleheaded teams in the game.

pravata · « **Reply #3 on:** February 09, 2006, 12:14:29 pm »

Hamilton's relationship with Caray and Dowdle reached its low point at the start of the 1982 season when he was hospitalized with a recurrence of leukemia. Dowdle visited him at Northwestern Memorial, ''almost as if he was dropping in to see if I was really that ill, if perhaps I was faking it,'' Hamilton writes. ''I could sense that from his body language. Can you imagine anyone being that inconsiderate?''
Caray's response to his illness, Hamilton says, was to say on the air that he never had missed any games and he ''couldn't understand how a guy can take time off during the season.'' Later, he boasted to a reporter that he never had missed an inning in his career, ''unlike some other broadcasters I know.''
''You can imagine the temptation for me later on, when that sonofabitch suffered a stroke in 1987, to say something bad about him,'' Hamilton writes. ''But I didn't. It's not in my nature.'
The Link

"...not in my nature..." ".... to say something bad about him." That's a relief

JimR · « **Reply #4 on:** February 09, 2006, 12:16:01 pm »

Milo Hamilton is a crazy sumbitch. wait till folks start writing about him.

Dierker was not a manager. he was a spectator with a very good seat. his ego knows no bounds, and i'm sure that a thoughtful reply to Milo took a great deal of restraint. they are not friends.

WulawHorn · « **Reply #5 on:** February 09, 2006, 12:28:54 pm »

I always have found dierk's chronicle pieces to be thoughtfull and well written- do you disagree jim? I think he's the best writer that the chronicle has on their staff (not saying much I know).

Don't know about the ego, just saying how it appears from the outside.

Also- is/was there something wrong with being a spectator for those particular Astros teams. I've always thought with the right amount of talent a manager/coach should more or less just roll the ball out there, as the chances of him screwing something up are greater than bringing something else to the table.

JimR · « **Reply #6 on:** February 09, 2006, 12:36:17 pm »

oh, brother. just roll the ball out there and pop the cork on the bubbly. anyone can do it.

i like his writing. he has a huge ego, drinks excessively and is difficult to get along with, or so i hear.

Taras Bulba · « **Reply #7 on:** February 09, 2006, 12:37:00 pm »

Jim R. wrote a great piece about this, pointing out what a manager needs to bring to the table, especially come playoff time. I don't know if it is still on the site or not, but read it if you can. I think it addresses Dierker and his shortcomings as a manger quite well.

otterj · « **Reply #8 on:** February 09, 2006, 12:43:51 pm »

Quote:

oh, brother. just roll the ball out there and pop the cork on the bubbly. anyone can do it.

i like his writing. he has a huge ego, drinks excessively and is difficult to get along with, or so i hear.

I've heard that he's a bit of a toker as well.

I like the guy though and he's good at his job.

WulawHorn · « **Reply #9 on:** February 09, 2006, 12:50:32 pm »

Jim- I'm not saying that rolling the ball out there is necessarily the best way to go about it, just that it can be less harmful given the right amount of talent then say the managerial approach of a Terry Collins. Disagree?

I would defer to your insider knowledge on Dierk's ego- just saying that Milo's ego drips through everywhere and Dierk seems to keep his under wraps. I think Dierk has a great baseball mind and valued what he did as an astros mangager. His predecessor and successor did not acheive the same results with similar talent. I really like Gar as well, and he has a different style than Dierk.

Have not you argued that Larussa's overmanaging hurts the Cards at times? This is the point I was trying to make, that sometimes rolling the ball out messes up a team less than some other styles.

Agreed that he's a good writer/broadcaster. If I found out he was a drunk or stoner that wouldn't surprise me in the least.

JimR · « **Reply #10 on:** February 09, 2006, 12:54:10 pm »

Dieker will tell you he has a great baseball mind, but i did not see it as a manager. i like him a lot as a writer and as a color analyst.

the Dierke style is 180 degrees from the LaRussa style. neither is good.

WulawHorn · « **Reply #12 on:** February 09, 2006, 01:44:52 pm »

ok jim- fair enough.

I think his undermanging helped the astros during his time more than a Tank Commanders overmanaging would have. I like Scaps the best though I think.

WulawHorn · « **Reply #15 on:** February 09, 2006, 02:15:23 pm »

Agreed that it was time for dierk to go. Just saying I liked what he did while here.

The last chapeter of his book read really disingenously to me (I loved the rest of it). It reminded me of that Simpson's where Bush 41 moved next door to Bart and was working on his memoirs. I believe he ended that book with the line, "and that's the reason I decided not to run for re-election"

Kinda surprised dierk hasn't been given another chance elsewhere- I'm guessing it was the seizure? He seemed like a different guy after that happened.

juliogotay · « **Reply #20 on:** February 10, 2006, 02:19:08 pm »

I bet Gino feels the same way towards Milo that Milo did towards Carey. I always suspected he power-played that ran a power-play on Elston to become "the voice of the Astros".

Cecil_Stud_Cantrell · « **Reply #23 on:** February 13, 2006, 03:44:51 am »

Jim R. -

I bow before your great baseball knowledge.
I learn much from your contributions to the TZ.

But, come on man, you have to admit, regarding big egos

JimR · « **Reply #24 on:** February 13, 2006, 12:12:48 pm »

really, Cecil? i've always said nice things about you, whoever you are.

fuck off.

HurricaneDavid · « **Reply #26 on:** February 14, 2006, 01:41:30 pm »

I was listening to games online for 5 years before I realized who she was. I always assumed Elizabeth was Milo's wife or daughter.

JimR · « **Reply #28 on:** February 14, 2006, 04:10:28 pm »

Milo be lyin'.

drew corleone · « **Reply #29 on:** February 14, 2006, 06:36:01 pm »

About graciously welcoming the two new guys to the booth?

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