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« on: January 13, 2006, 01:08:02 pm »
Aubrey Huff To Houston?
Got a good one today.  I admit I was skeptical at first, but an independent source verified the rumor.

It seems that Arizona, Houston, Los Angeles, and Tampa Bay have some sort of deal in the works.  It is known that Jayson Werth and Aubrey Huff are involved, but the other players have not yet been revealed.  Apparently Werth is headed to Tampa Bay or Arizona - my sources differ in opinion here.

Both sources indicated that Aubrey Huff will be joining the Astros.  Such a move would certainly cloud up the Astros' 1B/OF situation.  They'd have Lance Berkman, Jeff Bagwell, Jason Lane, Willy Taveras, Preston Wilson, and Huff.  We know that Bagwell may not be able to play, and Lane and Taveras are trade candidates.  Huff mainly played left field and first base for the Devil Rays this year.

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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2006, 01:15:20 pm »
So assuming Bagwell is done, Huff in Left, Berkman at 1st.

Assuming that Bagwell plays...Looks like Lane would be the man out.

Which, frankly is fine with me.

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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2006, 01:21:16 pm »
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So assuming Bagwell is done, Huff in Left, Berkman at 1st.

Assuming that Bagwell plays...Looks like Lane would be the man out.

Which, frankly is fine with me.





Umm, ok, if we had Huff, here are the issues:

1 1B, choose from: Bagwell, Berkman, Huff
1 3B, choose from: Ensberg, Huff
3 OF, choose from: Berkman, Taveras, Lane, Wilson, Huff

That is 7 people for 5 positions, even if Bagwell can't play, there are more people than positions, who gets squeezed?  Lane? Taveras?  Those look like the two most likely candidate.

IF this trade goes through, expect another trade to occur, likely for pitching help or 2-1 OF addition.

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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2006, 01:24:37 pm »
I'm not too familiar with Aubrey Huff but I looked at his stats and he doesn't look much better than Jason Lane.  I know stats don't mean *everything* so can someone talk about what kind of player he is and why he'd be an upgrade for us?

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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2006, 01:25:42 pm »
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Aubrey Huff To Houston?
Got a good one today.  I admit I was skeptical at first, but an independent source verified the rumor.

It seems that Arizona, Houston, Los Angeles, and Tampa Bay have some sort of deal in the works.  It is known that Jayson Werth and Aubrey Huff are involved, but the other players have not yet been revealed.  Apparently Werth is headed to Tampa Bay or Arizona - my sources differ in opinion here.

Both sources indicated that Aubrey Huff will be joining the Astros.  Such a move would certainly cloud up the Astros' 1B/OF situation.  They'd have Lance Berkman, Jeff Bagwell, Jason Lane, Willy Taveras, Preston Wilson, and Huff.  We know that Bagwell may not be able to play, and Lane and Taveras are trade candidates.  Huff mainly played left field and first base for the Devil Rays this year.





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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2006, 01:27:20 pm »
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2006, 01:33:14 pm »
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And if so, why is it so Cubs-oriented?? Are you a Cub fan posting on a Astros board??

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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2006, 01:33:27 pm »
Meanwhile Wednesday morning, one of the players who has been mentioned in trade rumors said: enough already. Aubrey Huff was a guest on the Cowhead Show on sister station 98 Rock, and expressed concern over the team's lack of major free agent signings. "If I had a chance to go to a contender it'd be great. I don't think with what we've done in the offseason we're going to be a contender. We haven't really made any moves, we haven't done anything," Huff said.
Huff added that he has never met the team's new owners. "If you want to trade me, trade me let's get it over with. If you wanna do it, do it, if not let's stop talking about it."

also, it sounds like Hunsicker is getting the band back together,

On Thursday a reliever much more familiar with the major leagues was added to the bullpen when the Devil Rays announced the signing of Dan Miceli to a two-year contract. Miceli, 35, ...
Also the team announced it has agreed to terms with 18 players, the majority of them pitchers, to minor-league deals. Not many would be familiar to even diehard baseball followers, with the most recognizable of the lot being pitchers Travis Driskill,Justin Miller and Wayne Franklin, infielders Luis Ordaz and Greg Norton and outfielder Darnell McDonald.
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Re: Trade brewing
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2006, 01:36:22 pm »
Presuming this rumor has any substance, it really depends on what Houston throws into the deal.  If Houston includes Lane in the mix, well, that clears up the situation.  The primary benefit I can see is that Huff is a lefty and adds more balance.  For the D'Rays, they get a comparable player, who can also play 1B, in Lane, with a far better price tag.  I don't see Tampa having any interest in Willy as they already have their own version in Gathright along with Baldelli and Crawford.  

Or, if Houston is throwing in pitching, I assume it would either be Zeke, Wandy, or Qualls.  At which point, as someone mentioned, Lane or Willy could be packaged for some pitching, if necessary.  

Or, it could be a package of players and Houston could have to deal with having too many decent hitters on the bench, oh the horror!

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I don't know how much substance there is to this rumor but I read the article on Huff earlier today and figured there would be rumors starting.  Huff hasn't been a happy camper since before last season.  His performance dropped off significantly last season and while it's been too long to find the articles I read at the time, I suspect Huff was pushing for a trade last season.  
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2006, 02:01:51 pm »
Not my blog - got it from:

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I agree that if this happened then it would just be a first to a second trade, there would have to be some sort of domino effect.  And Huff is better than Lane - hands down.  Last season was an off year for him, and they don't even mention that he could play third base also (he has in the past), just in case.

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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2006, 02:09:20 pm »
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I don't know how much substance there is to this rumor but I read the article on Huff earlier today and figured there would be rumors starting.  Huff hasn't been a happy camper since before last season.  His performance dropped off significantly last season and while it's been too long to find the articles I read at the time, I suspect Huff was pushing for a trade last season.  





Other way around.  Huff was happy enough with TB to sign a three-year deal avoiding arbitration a few years back, IIRC.  This was after his breakout season.  At the time, the club held him out as an example of a quality player who wouldn't flee St. Petersburg as soon as he was able.

Since then, the team has offered him (or has been rumored to have offered him) in all sorts of deals.  The rumors were at their apex last season.  Most people watching were almost sue Huff was gone.

I believe it was somewhere in there that Huff became disenchanted with the franchise.  I also believe he was injured last season.

Huff plays all the positions Lamb does, but with more skill.  3B is probably his natural spot, but he has done OK at 1B and in RF.  A solid MLB hitter, left-handed, with power and average and OK plate discipline who can and will play three positions adequately, and is relatively cheap -- those don't come available every day.  Keep in mind, too, Huff has put up the numbers he has in a home park much less hitter-friendly than MMPUS, playing for a crappy team and a screwed-up owner, with little support around him in the batting order.

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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2006, 02:13:34 pm »
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I don't know how much substance there is to this rumor but I read the article on Huff earlier today and figured there would be rumors starting.  Huff hasn't been a happy camper since before last season.  His performance dropped off significantly last season and while it's been too long to find the articles I read at the time, I suspect Huff was pushing for a trade last season.  




Other way around.  Huff was happy enough with TB to sign a three-year deal avoiding arbitration a few years back, IIRC.  This was after his breakout season.  At the time, the club held him out as an example of a quality player who wouldn't flee St. Petersburg as soon as he was able.

Since then, the team has offered him (or has been rumored to have offered him) in all sorts of deals.  The rumors were at their apex last season.  Most people watching were almost sue Huff was gone.

I believe it was somewhere in there that Huff became disenchanted with the franchise.  I also believe he was injured last season.

Huff plays all the positions Lamb does, but with more skill.  3B is probably his natural spot, but he has done OK at 1B and in RF.  A solid MLB hitter, left-handed, with power and average and OK plate discipline who can and will play three positions adequately, and is relatively cheap -- those don't come available every day.  Keep in mind, too, Huff has put up the numbers he has in a home park much less hitter-friendly than MMPUS, playing for a crappy team and a screwed-up owner, with little support around him in the batting order.





This is also the last year of his deal, I believe, so TB may be wanting to move him on the theory that they won't be in the playoffs this year.
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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2006, 02:33:46 pm »
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So assuming Bagwell is done, Huff in Left, Berkman at 1st.

Assuming that Bagwell plays...Looks like Lane would be the man out.

Which, frankly is fine with me.





Yep.  Seems to me that if this actually happened, and I don't think it will, the Astros would either park Bagwell on the DL or deal Lane.
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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2006, 02:57:52 pm »
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So assuming Bagwell is done, Huff in Left, Berkman at 1st.

Assuming that Bagwell plays...Looks like Lane would be the man out.

Which, frankly is fine with me.





Yep.  Seems to me that if this actually happened, and I don't think it will, the Astros would either park Bagwell on the DL or deal Lane.





And, who would the Astros be giving up?
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Meanwhile Wednesday morning, one of the players who has been mentioned in trade rumors said: enough already. Aubrey Huff was a guest on the Cowhead Show on sister station 98 Rock, and expressed concern over the team's lack of major free agent signings. "If I had a chance to go to a contender it'd be great. I don't think with what we've done in the offseason we're going to be a contender. We haven't really made any moves, we haven't done anything," Huff said.
Huff added that he has never met the team's new owners. "If you want to trade me, trade me let's get it over with. If you wanna do it, do it, if not let's stop talking about it."

also, it sounds like Hunsicker is getting the band back together,

On Thursday a reliever much more familiar with the major leagues was added to the bullpen when the Devil Rays announced the signing of Dan Miceli to a two-year contract. Miceli, 35, ...
Also the team announced it has agreed to terms with 18 players, the majority of them pitchers, to minor-league deals. Not many would be familiar to even diehard baseball followers, with the most recognizable of the lot being pitchers Travis Driskill,Justin Miller and Wayne Franklin, infielders Luis Ordaz and Greg Norton and outfielder Darnell McDonald.
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Ruddy Lugo and Mike Rose were two more former Astro farm-hands in the same list.
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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2006, 04:18:06 pm »
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So assuming Bagwell is done, Huff in Left, Berkman at 1st.

Assuming that Bagwell plays...Looks like Lane would be the man out.

Which, frankly is fine with me.





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It's Chris Burke.  Don't forget he can be traded.

(I'm all over the thought of Lane getting traded.)
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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2006, 04:27:08 pm »
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I never really understood your Lane hatred.

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So assuming Bagwell is done, Huff in Left, Berkman at 1st.

Assuming that Bagwell plays...Looks like Lane would be the man out.

Which, frankly is fine with me.





Knock, Knock

Who's there?

It's Chris Burke.  Don't forget he can be traded.

(I'm all over the thought of Lane getting traded.)





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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2006, 04:38:07 pm »
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I never really understood your Lane hatred.





Hatred is a strong word.  I just always thought he gets lazy in the field.  I just expect all Astros to play hard like Bagwell and Biggio all the time.  And don't mistake, I say mean things to Berkman, Ensberg, and some of their friends when they get lazy also.  It was one reason I didn't like Kent in '04.
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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2006, 05:14:55 pm »
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Hatred is a strong word.  I just always thought he gets lazy in the field.  I just expect all Astros to play hard like Bagwell and Biggio all the time.  And don't mistake, I say mean things to Berkman, Ensberg, and some of their friends when they get lazy also.  It was one reason I didn't like Kent in '04.




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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2006, 05:47:33 pm »
First some guy gets an email or two saying that so and so heard a deal with Aubrey Huff was brought up in a meeting that his friend overheard, possibly involving team A, etc.

Then said guy posts it as fact on his baseball rumor website, which probably has about slightly less credibility than a cheap tabloid. People see it, it gets posted as "news" on every message board imaginable, and sooner or later we've got "trade brewing" and "GM's working over-night trying to get Huff deal done."

Of course, this deal never happens, and the rumor site saves face by saying "oh, the D-Rays were asking for too much," etc. I love the internet.

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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2006, 06:18:10 pm »
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I never really understood your Lane hatred.





No kidding. Lane was a very solid producer for the club last year. The master of the 4th inning game-tying homerun. Not as flashy as walk-offs, but he was a well above-average contributer to the NL Champs team. No way the club goes as far as it did without him. He impressed me considerably.
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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2006, 06:22:22 pm »
Lane plays hard and is one of the most intense guys on the team. his problem is not relaxing enough.
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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2006, 06:31:15 pm »
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Lane plays hard and is one of the most intense guys on the team. his problem is not relaxing enough.





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« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2006, 07:36:03 pm »
The only way a Huff deal really makes sense is if the Astros think Preston Wilson or even Lane can man center full time and replace Willy's bat with Huff's(and it would have to outweigh any potential defensive downgrades), or if the Astros are debating dealing Lane.

Personally, while I wouldn't teach somebody to adopt Jason's swing mechanics at the plate, he settled in really well from June on last season.   I think he is fine as a number 5/6 hitter in any big league order.
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« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2006, 12:00:34 am »
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The only way a Huff deal really makes sense is if the Astros think Preston Wilson or even Lane can man center full time and replace Willy's bat with Huff's(and it would have to outweigh any potential defensive downgrades), or if the Astros are debating dealing Lane.

Personally, while I wouldn't teach somebody to adopt Jason's swing mechanics at the plate, he settled in really well from June on last season.   I think he is fine as a number 5/6 hitter in any big league order.





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« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2006, 07:41:36 am »
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The only way a Huff deal really makes sense is if the Astros think Preston Wilson or even Lane can man center full time and replace Willy's bat with Huff's(and it would have to outweigh any potential defensive downgrades), or if the Astros are debating dealing Lane.




The same website this rumor came from updated the rumor to only a 3 team deal.

"UPDATE: It now looks to be a three team deal with the Diamondbacks, Devil Rays, and Astros involved (Werth is out of the picture). Huff to the Astros is still the main piece, and the deal supposedly is contingent on Bagwell retiring and freeing up the insurance money.  That's all for now."

If the rumor is we are getting Huff, then we must be sending someone to the Diamondbacks.  They already have Shawn Green and Luis Gonzalez to play the corners and have Eric Byrnes listed as a center fielder.  I was reading they look at him as more of a 4th outfielder.  Chris Young is probably not quite ready.  It said they would probably still look for a center fieler.  I would guess that Taveras would be the one going, with Wilson playing center for us.  But, that same update says the deal wouldn't go through anyway unless the insurance policy kicked in.  If that is true, that seems like a long time for a deal to be on hold.  I don't think that the insurance policy will be settles anytime soon.  I don't know how much Huff makes, but I didn't think it was enough to slow a deal down.

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« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2006, 10:21:13 am »
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The same website this rumor came from updated the rumor to only a 3 team deal.

"UPDATE: It now looks to be a three team deal with the Diamondbacks, Devil Rays, and Astros involved (Werth is out of the picture).





Deals between two teams is hard enough, it gets more complicated when it is three teams.  When they originally had *four* teams involved, it was highly unlikely any major league general manager was involved in that one.  More likely a deal dreamed up in the head of one internet site or some sort that likes to throw crap on the wall to see if it sticks.  Run away when the deals are complicated and have more than two teams involved.  A competent major league general manager would never get himself entangled in such a mess.

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« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2006, 02:04:32 pm »
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Deals between two teams is hard enough, it gets more complicated when it is three teams.  When they originally had *four* teams involved, it was highly unlikely any major league general manager was involved in that one.  More likely a deal dreamed up in the head of one internet site or some sort that likes to throw crap on the wall to see if it sticks.  Run away when the deals are complicated and have more than two teams involved.  A competent major league general manager would never get himself entangled in such a mess.




That's right. I think most of the time when a three-team deal actually gets done, it's probably more appropriate to think of them as two two-team deals that happened back-to-back involving similar players. I think the Beltran deal in 2004 was like that. I may be mistaken, but I think Dotel was a Royal for an hour or so.
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