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Noe evokes Joe Niekro
« on: October 19, 2005, 12:16:57 pm »
And rightly so. Niekro is definitely the historical figure that I think it is important for Astros fans to remember in this situation. While Pettitte is a big reason why they're here, and his quote certainly sounds like something Niekro would say, Oswalt is the one that has the responsibility of "going Niekro" on the Co-ards. Knukzie always seemed huge for the Astros in the biggest games, much like we're needing The Man from Weir to do tonight. Because as great as Clemens is, from a cosmic perspective, I'm afraid he is the Nolan Ryan in all of this.

For those who might have been too young to remember Niekro's signature moment, it came at the end of the 1980 regular season. If you don't recall the exact situation, I refreshed myself on some of the details and thought I would share.

Oh, something else to consider - this is where all this crap started. While the first signs of the Astros making things extremely difficult on themselves had become evident during the 1979 stretch run, the final regular season series against the Dodgers in 1980 truly established the gutwrenching legacy in high-stakes baseball that has clung to the Astros to this day. And I agree, we don't need to hear anything else from the Red Sox and their people.

The situation on Friday, October 3, 1980 was this: the Astros go into Los Angeles with three games left in the season and a three game lead on the Dodgers. Win one, just one, and you're in.

Game One: Ken Forsch for Houston against Don Sutton. Fabulous pitchers duel. The Astros scratch out a 2-1 lead in the eighth on an Alan Ashby sac fly, but a Rafael Landestoy error sets the table for Ron Cey to tie it with two outs in the ninth on an RBI single. L.A. goes on to win in the tenth on a leadoff dong by Joe Ferguson off Forsch.

Game Two: Nolan Ryan starts for Houston. More fabulous pitching all around, but Steve Garvey's clout to lead off the fourth breaks a 1-1 tie. Jerry Reuss makes it hold up as he goes complete. The Blue Bastards pull to within a game with a 2-1 win.

Game Three: Vern Ruhle starts for Houston against Burt Hooton. Both are gone by the second inning. The Astros lead 3-2 late on the strength of classic Astrodome-era "little ball" and RBIs from Puhl, Ashby and Reynolds. But The Penguin strikes again, launching a 2-run bolt off Frank LaCorte in the eighth to give L.A. a 4-3 win and tie the NL West on the final day of the season.

To say that the momentum has swung at this point would be an understatement.

The Astros gather themselves for the one-game playoff Monday afternoon. Some of us stay home from school to watch it. Joe Niekro takes the ball and delivers one of the more dominating performances by a knuckleballer that you will see (provided of course that you're OK with "dominant" and "knuckleballer" in the same sentence), scattering six hits on the afternoon. Meanwhile, an Astros hitter finally steps up with RISP. Art Howe powers the offense, going 3-5 with a cracker and 4 RBIs, as the Astros torch Dave Goltz and Rick Sutcliffe early en route a 7-1 cakewalk. Niekro goes complete for his 20th win of the year, and Houston goes to its first postseason.

The moral of the story is that it is always difficult, but every now and then it ends well. The other thing about Niekro that you have to like is that his distaste for the Dodgers was out there for all to see. Aside from maybe LaCorte, no one on the team was more outspoken about how much they hated losing to "the $#!@ Dodgers." He's a big reason why a lot of us still see the Los Angeles Dodgers, and not the Braves or Co-ards, as the real enemy.

Niekro would build on his Dodger-killing and big game legacy in the strike-necessitated 1981 NLDS, when he threw eight shutout innings in the Astrodome before Ashby's monumental blast into the right field pavillion sent everyone home happy in the 11th.

So while Jayson Stark prefers to conjure the spectres of Bunghole Kim and Donnie Moore, I would humbly suggest to the Astros and their fans that there has never been a better time to appreciate and emulate Joe Niekro than right now. They also should've retired his damn number.

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Re: Noe evokes Joe Niekro
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2005, 12:26:01 pm »
i like the comparison. i watched with horror as that 1980 series unfolded and stayed home from work to watch the playoff game. for me, it was the first real success my team had since coming into the league in 1962. the 1979 fold like a "lead baloon," to quote Seaver, was all too fresh in my mind. Niekro's performance created euphoria.

the Game 5 loss was shocking in its suddenness, but i do not knopw why any Astros fan would expect the Cards to quit. it is a proud franchise and a proud team. the "we're up 3-2" talk is whistling past the graveyard, imo. the Cards are saying "so what" to that. we'd better be ready to play the game of the season tonight.
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2005, 12:40:13 pm »
Jim- before the astros- who did you root for in the previous 90 years organized baseball existed?

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Re: Noe evokes Joe Niekro
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2005, 12:42:42 pm »
Jim was too tied up in the War of Northern Agression to follow any of them.

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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2005, 12:43:07 pm »
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Jim- before the astros- who did you root for in the previous 90 years organized baseball existed?




Jim was a fan of the Providence Greys back in the day.  Before that, he was a blacksmith.
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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2005, 12:45:33 pm »
Blacksmith?  Was that before or after being a chimney sweep and a bootblack?

Actually, I've always wondered about Jim's career as a towncrier.

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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2005, 12:47:10 pm »
everyone is a fucking comedian--can't wait for Mark to weigh in on this.

i was a Brooklyn Dodger fan until they jilted me by moving to LA. i rooted for the Pittsburgh Pirates next, primarily because of Roy Face and his 18-1 year. in 1960, the Pirates were my team, and that season and the WS still is my favorite season ever. in 1962, i switched to the Colt .45s.

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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2005, 12:51:15 pm »
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everyone is a fucking comedian--can't wait for Mark to weigh in on this.

i was a Brooklyn Dodger fan until they jilted me by moving to LA. i rooted for the Pittsburgh Pirates next, primarily because of Roy Face and his 18-1 year. in 1960, the Pirates were my team, and that season and the WS still is my favorite season ever. in 1962, i switched to the Colt .45s.

i am a monogamous baseball fan--only one team, and always an NL team.





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Re: Noe evokes Joe Niekro
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2005, 12:53:16 pm »
On second thought...

Here's the website of the old man's favorite team...

Thats him on the top left.

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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2005, 12:53:55 pm »
did you recognize anything on the high road or was that your first time there?
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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2005, 12:54:38 pm »
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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2005, 12:54:55 pm »
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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2005, 12:55:24 pm »
Immediately after reading this I was momentarily blinded.  In that moment a string of words ran through my head followed by a few notes of music.  I don't know if the walk down early 80's memory lane has caused me brain damage, I was a teen then so it's possible, but here is the song that invaded my mind:

(WARNING: Proceed at your own risk if you don't care for early 80's rock music being stuck in your head.)



Everyone's watchin' to see what you will do
Everyone's lookin' at you, Oh
Everyone's wonderin' will you come out tonight
Everyone's tryin' to get it right, get it right

Everybody's workin' for the weekend
Everybody wants a new romance
Everybody's goin' off the deep end
Everybody needs a second chance, Oh

You want a piece of my heart
you better start from the start
you wanna be in the show
c'mon baby let's go

Everyone's lookin' to see if it was you
Everyone wants you to come through
Everyone's hopin' it'll all work out
Everyone's waiting to hold you out

Everybody's workin' for the weekend
Everybody wants a new romance, hey yeah
Everybody's goin' off the deep end
Everybody needs a second chance, Oh

You want a piece of my heart
you better start from the start
you wanna be in the show
c'mon baby let's go

Hey

You want a piece of my heart
you better start from the start
you wanna be in the show
c'mon baby let's go

You want a piece of my heart
you better start from the start
you wanna be in the show
c'mon baby let's go
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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2005, 01:22:23 pm »
Hile Jacksonian, official thread KILLAH!

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Immediately after reading this I was momentarily blinded.  In that moment a string of words ran through my head followed by a few notes of music.  I don't know if the walk down early 80's memory lane has caused me brain damage, I was a teen then so it's possible, but here is the song that invaded my mind:

(WARNING: Proceed at your own risk if you don't care for early 80's rock music being stuck in your head.)



Everyone's watchin' to see what you will do
Everyone's lookin' at you, Oh
Everyone's wonderin' will you come out tonight
Everyone's tryin' to get it right, get it right

Everybody's workin' for the weekend
Everybody wants a new romance
Everybody's goin' off the deep end
Everybody needs a second chance, Oh

You want a piece of my heart
you better start from the start
you wanna be in the show
c'mon baby let's go

Everyone's lookin' to see if it was you
Everyone wants you to come through
Everyone's hopin' it'll all work out
Everyone's waiting to hold you out

Everybody's workin' for the weekend
Everybody wants a new romance, hey yeah
Everybody's goin' off the deep end
Everybody needs a second chance, Oh

You want a piece of my heart
you better start from the start
you wanna be in the show
c'mon baby let's go

Hey

You want a piece of my heart
you better start from the start
you wanna be in the show
c'mon baby let's go

You want a piece of my heart
you better start from the start
you wanna be in the show
c'mon baby let's go



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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2005, 02:12:33 pm »
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everyone is a fucking comedian--can't wait for Mark to weigh in on this.

i was a Brooklyn Dodger fan until they jilted me by moving to LA. i rooted for the Pittsburgh Pirates next, primarily because of Roy Face and his 18-1 year. in 1960, the Pirates were my team, and that season and the WS still is my favorite season ever. in 1962, i switched to the Colt .45s.

i am a monogamous baseball fan--only one team, and always an NL team.





Wow!  An alter ego.  I grew up a Pirates fan and Elroy Face was my idol ... at least partly because it was fun to make fun of my grandmother who lived in Pittsburgh and called him "Little Leroy".  I tried to learn how to throw a fork ball, but if there had been radar guns then I would have had trouble reaching double figures, so it never really worked out for me.  THE homerun in 1960 is still my favorite baseball moment ... especially because it was against the Yankees.  Moving to Texas just after the Colts settled in was the start of my transition from Pirate fan to Astros fan.
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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2005, 03:29:13 pm »
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The moral of the story is that it is always difficult, but every now and then it ends well. The other thing about Niekro that you have to like is that his distaste for the Dodgers was out there for all to see. Aside from maybe LaCorte, no one on the team was more outspoken about how much they hated losing to "the $#!@ Dodgers." He's a big reason why a lot of us still see the Los Angeles Dodgers, and not the Braves or Co-ards, as the real enemy.




For me, it's the Mets.  I was too young to remember anything clearly from 1980.  However, I can still see Charlie Kerfeld waving his arms in the dugout after Hatcher's homerun in 1986.  To this day, one of my teammates who's a New York fan gives me shit for that series.  Case in point: First ever road trip with the rugby team and we've just gotten into the hotel in Chicago.  Said teammate starts flipping through the channels and ESPN classic is replaying Game 6.  He watches the whole damn thing.  I get up and leave the room.  Lousy steM.
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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2005, 05:42:54 pm »
But I evoke Johnny Podres and talk about gut wrenching; this isn't gut wrenching - the '55 series was gut wrenching. It was played against a four year backdrop of futility and squandered opportunities by a truly talented team. First the '51 collapse, then two straight series losses to the despised Yankees and another season finishing behind the equally despised Giants.
The '55 series was approached by most Dodger fans (and certainly by me) with nothing but a sense of dread. The Yankees had also missed the series the year before but were confident and hitting on all cylinders when the regular season ended.
Robinson stole home in the first game but the Yankees won anyway. The Dodgers were down 2-0 when Podres took the mound and gave a good enough effort for a Dodger win. Podres got the start again in game 7. He was still a kid in his early twenties and had had a very mediocre season . There wasn't much hope that he could handle the Yankees two games in a row. The game was a gut wrenching blur as I remember it. Back and forth with the powerful Campanella laying down a bunt, moving up runners in the middle of a rally, Amoros' improbable catch of Berra's looping, slicing fly toward the foul pole and then the end with PeeWee throwing to Hodges. Still hard to believe it really happened.
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