Author Topic: Astros @ Blue Jays August 30, 2019 (Read 7985 times)

HudsonHawk · « **on:** August 30, 2019, 06:15:10 pm »

T1:

Springer flies out F9 on the first pitch
Altuve...0-2...strikes out swinging at a bouncing slider
Brantley...0-2...grounds out 3U

Astros see 7 pitches, hack at every one of them. No score

Lefty · « **Reply #1 on:** August 30, 2019, 06:18:19 pm »

Brantley did look at strike one, but your point stands.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #2 on:** August 30, 2019, 06:22:50 pm »

B1:

Bichette...full count...flies out F8
Biggio...full count...walks
Biggio picked off of 1B before the next pitch
Guerrero walks
Grichuk strikes out swinging

No score

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #3 on:** August 30, 2019, 06:32:14 pm »

T2:

Bregman singles to LCF
Alvarez...0-2...1-2...2-2...fouling off pitches...strikes out swinging
Gurriel strikes out swinging..tried to check but couldn’t hold up
Diaz grounds into FC, Bregman out 5-4

No score

astrojo · « **Reply #4 on:** August 30, 2019, 06:37:21 pm »

25 pitch 1st for Miley and inning 2 isn’t looking much better

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #5 on:** August 30, 2019, 06:39:28 pm »

Miley struggling with command. He’s faced six batters and walked four of them

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #6 on:** August 30, 2019, 06:44:52 pm »

Miley walks the bases loaded, one out

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #7 on:** August 30, 2019, 06:47:50 pm »

Catcher’s interference plates a run...1-0 Blue Jays

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #8 on:** August 30, 2019, 06:48:36 pm »

Gonna be a long night for the pen.

astrojo · « **Reply #9 on:** August 30, 2019, 06:51:08 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 30, 2019, 06:48:36 pm

Gonna be a long night for the pen.

And Framber tomorrow.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #10 on:** August 30, 2019, 06:51:43 pm »

B2:

Hernandez...full count...walks
Smoak...full count...walks, Hernandez to 2B
Drury...0-2...1-2...strikes out swinging
Fisher...full count...walks, Hernandez to 3B, Smoak to 2B
McGuire...0-2...1-2...2-2...reaches on catcher’s interference, Hernandez scores, Smoak to 3B, Fisher to 2B
Bichette strikes out swinging
Biggio...0-2...1-2...2-2...strikes out looking

Jays get a run without putting a ball in play. Lead 1-0

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #11 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:00:09 pm »

T3:

Chirinos grounds out 6-3
Reddick...full count...grounds out 5-3 behind 2B
Springer strikes out swinging

1-0 Jays

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #12 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:07:42 pm »

B3:

Guerrero...0-2...1-2...grounds out 5-3
Grichuk pops out F3
Hernandez...3-2...lines a single off of Bregman’s glove for the Jay’s first hit
Smoak flies out F7

1-0 Jays

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #13 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:08:19 pm »

Someone grab PBP

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #14 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:14:04 pm »

Altuve punches out on ball seven. He just will not be denied.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #15 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:18:07 pm »

Astros have made up their minds...if the pitch isn’t in the dugout, they’re hacking.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #16 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:21:39 pm »

Kalas: THERE’S A BALL DRILLED DEEEEEP TO CENTERFIELD...AND YORDAN DID NOT GET ALL OF THAT ONE!!!” As the ball is caught 20 feet in front of the track.

geezerdonk · « **Reply #17 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:31:07 pm »

Great shot of Hinch in the dugout shaking his head. He knows what he has in the bullpen.

JimR · « **Reply #18 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:34:42 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 30, 2019, 07:21:39 pm

Kalas: THERE’S A BALL DRILLED DEEEEEP TO CENTERFIELD...AND YORDAN DID NOT GET ALL OF THAT ONE!!!” As the ball is caught 20 feet in front of the track.

I thought it was gone too with the launch angle he had. He must have gotten slightly jammed.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #19 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:36:46 pm »

Quote from: JimR on August 30, 2019, 07:34:42 pm

I thought it was gone too with the launch angle he had. He must have gotten slightly jammed.

Big swing, but I think he was out in front and hit off the end of the bat a little.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #20 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:37:55 pm »

Yuli reaches on an error to leadoff the 5th...come on boys, make em pay!

JimR · « **Reply #21 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:38:54 pm »

Would be really nice if we stopped chasing bad pitches.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #22 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:39:34 pm »

Quote from: JimR on August 30, 2019, 07:38:54 pm

Would be really nice if we stopped chasing bad pitches.

Swing early and often if the motto tonight

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #23 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:39:54 pm »

Chirinos with a double...Astros at 2B and 3B, one out...

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #24 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:40:43 pm »

Red Dawg with an RBI knock!!!

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #25 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:42:39 pm »

Springer Dinger!!!

4-1 Astros

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #26 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:43:36 pm »

Blummer quoting Rush songs. Awesome.

astrojo · « **Reply #27 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:46:08 pm »

Thanks for the play by play can only follow on here and gameday

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #28 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:47:17 pm »

Middle of the 5th...Astros up 4-1

Lefty · « **Reply #29 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:47:38 pm »

463 feet at 112 mph on Springer's bomb

Lefty · « **Reply #30 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:50:04 pm »

Kalas crying yard on another fly ball 30 feet short of the wall

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #31 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:55:03 pm »

Biagini in for the Astros...

JimR · « **Reply #32 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:57:19 pm »

Good inning.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #33 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:58:05 pm »

Quote from: JimR on August 30, 2019, 07:57:19 pm

Good inning.

Biagini throws up a clean 0 after the Astros' big inning. Good to see.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #34 on:** August 30, 2019, 07:59:38 pm »

Extreme shift on Alvarez...all 7 fielder are on the right side of the field.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #35 on:** August 30, 2019, 08:02:22 pm »

Alvarez beat the shift with hard hit ball to deep....ummm...second base, I guess...SS fielded it in shallow RF

Yuli follows with a double to send Yordan to 3B...nobody out.

Texifornia · « **Reply #36 on:** August 30, 2019, 08:04:25 pm »

Yuli is a bat-slingin' hit machine.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #37 on:** August 30, 2019, 08:04:35 pm »

Diaz with a sac fly to plate Alvarez, Yuli to 3B...one out...

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #38 on:** August 30, 2019, 08:07:03 pm »

Chirinos pops out behind the plate...actually that ball came really close to coming back fair as Chirinos stood at the plate and watched it.

Texifornia · « **Reply #39 on:** August 30, 2019, 08:07:54 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 30, 2019, 08:04:35 pm

Diaz with a sac fly to plate Alvarez, Yuli to 3B...one out...

That makes me so happy. Not only does Diaz do his job by getting the ball into the outfield, he puts into right field so he also gets the runner at second over to third.

ETA: Chirinos' pop out notwithstanding.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #40 on:** August 30, 2019, 08:08:33 pm »

Runners on the corners, two out for Springer...

JimR · « **Reply #41 on:** August 30, 2019, 08:10:38 pm »

Los Cubanos: single, double, SF

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #42 on:** August 30, 2019, 08:10:56 pm »

Springer punches a double right over 1B...Yuli scores, Reddick to 3B...

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #43 on:** August 30, 2019, 08:12:26 pm »

Middle of 6....Astros up 6-1

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #44 on:** August 30, 2019, 08:13:37 pm »

Quote from: JimR on August 30, 2019, 08:10:38 pm

Los Cubanos: single, double, SF

I'd make myself a cortadito in their honor, but we all know what happened the last time I got jacked up on Cuban espresso....

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #45 on:** August 30, 2019, 08:16:10 pm »

Smoak smokes one off of Yuli's glove for a leadoff single...good glove work held him to a single and keeps the twin killing in play...

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #46 on:** August 30, 2019, 08:17:46 pm »

And Drury grounds into the ol' 6-4-3...give Yuli an "attaboy" for that one.

Lefty · « **Reply #47 on:** August 30, 2019, 08:18:56 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 30, 2019, 08:16:10 pm

Smoak smokes one off of Yuli's glove for a leadoff single...good glove work held him to a single and keeps the twin killing in play...

...and there ya go. Textbook DP

geezerdonk · « **Reply #48 on:** August 30, 2019, 08:26:08 pm »

Nice step up by Biagini. They really needed those two innings.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #49 on:** August 30, 2019, 08:34:52 pm »

Bases drunk for Chirinos...two away...

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #50 on:** August 30, 2019, 08:37:01 pm »

Chirinos in hack mode...flies out F7 without seeing a strike

At the stretch...6-1 Astros

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #51 on:** August 30, 2019, 08:40:03 pm »

Rondon in for the Astros, and the first pitch he throws is drilled out of the yard...6-2 now...

geezerdonk · « **Reply #52 on:** August 30, 2019, 08:44:34 pm »

6 runs enough? Iffy.

austro · « **Reply #53 on:** August 30, 2019, 08:44:38 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 30, 2019, 08:40:03 pm

Rondon in for the Astros, and the first pitch he throws is drilled out of the yard...6-2 now...

At least you know what you're going to get out of him.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #54 on:** August 30, 2019, 08:49:54 pm »

Rondon with a couple of walks, two on, two out...

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #55 on:** August 30, 2019, 08:52:36 pm »

Rondon gets the third out...6-2 Astros

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #56 on:** August 30, 2019, 08:56:05 pm »

Blummer correctly rejecting the poutine.

austro · « **Reply #57 on:** August 30, 2019, 09:01:31 pm »

Buffalo cauliflower poutine? Somebody is trying too hard.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #58 on:** August 30, 2019, 09:03:15 pm »

Bregman with an infield RBI single

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #59 on:** August 30, 2019, 09:06:45 pm »

Middle of 8...7-2 Astros

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #60 on:** August 30, 2019, 09:08:52 pm »

I've never had poutine. I've been to Canada half a dozen times or more.

Texifornia · « **Reply #61 on:** August 30, 2019, 09:10:12 pm »

Devo seeking redemption...and a possible October roster spot.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #62 on:** August 30, 2019, 09:13:10 pm »

2-out home run by Derek Fisher makes it 7-3

austro · « **Reply #63 on:** August 30, 2019, 09:16:40 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 30, 2019, 09:13:10 pm

2-out home run by Derek Fisher makes it 7-3

Solo shot, I think. Run #2 was a homer off Rondon.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #64 on:** August 30, 2019, 09:16:57 pm »

Devo gets a punch out to end the 8th...7-3 Astros

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #65 on:** August 30, 2019, 09:17:34 pm »

Quote from: austro on August 30, 2019, 09:16:40 pm

Solo shot, I think. Run #2 was a homer off Rondon.

Nothing gets by you, boss.

JimR · « **Reply #66 on:** August 30, 2019, 09:19:14 pm »

Alvarez was not streaky in AAA. He is here. So many Ks lately.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #67 on:** August 30, 2019, 09:26:33 pm »

To the bottom of the 9th...Will Harris will try for the non-save.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #68 on:** August 30, 2019, 09:29:04 pm »

Biggio leads off the 9th with another home run...7-4 now...

Texifornia · « **Reply #69 on:** August 30, 2019, 09:29:55 pm »

They must be baking cookies in the Astros' bullpen.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #70 on:** August 30, 2019, 09:32:25 pm »

Astros win!!!

7-4 is the final.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #71 on:** August 30, 2019, 09:34:18 pm »

How the fuck does McHugh get the win and not Biagini?

austro · « **Reply #72 on:** August 30, 2019, 09:35:35 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 30, 2019, 09:34:18 pm

How the fuck does McHugh get the win and not Biagini?

No idea. He faced two batters and got one of them out, right?

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #73 on:** August 30, 2019, 09:36:15 pm »

Quote from: austro on August 30, 2019, 09:35:35 pm

No idea. He faced two batters and got one of them out, right?

And gave up a double to the other one.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #74 on:** August 30, 2019, 09:46:57 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 30, 2019, 09:36:15 pm

And gave up a double to the other one.

I'm not necessarily advocating for it and it would fuck up historical records but I think what qualifies as the winning pitcher might need to be reconsidered. I even think the 5 innings for a starter is a bit archaic in today's game.

austro · « **Reply #75 on:** August 30, 2019, 09:51:14 pm »

I don't see how anybody could argue that Biagini wasn't the most effective pitcher tonight.

VirtualBob · « **Reply #76 on:** August 31, 2019, 06:19:53 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 30, 2019, 09:34:18 pm

How the fuck does McHugh get the win and not Biagini?

Because the default scorer's judgment is "first guy after the starter" ... or maybe with luck, "first guy to record an out after the starter".

Not a whole lot of "judgment" involved.

Snuffy · « **Reply #77 on:** August 31, 2019, 09:17:20 am »

Quote from: VirtualBob on August 31, 2019, 06:19:53 am

Because the default scorer's judgment is "first guy after the starter" ... or maybe with luck, "first guy to record an out after the starter".

Not a whole lot of "judgment" involved.

I'm far from an expert, but...

Weren't the go ahead runs scored b/f Biagini threw his 1st pitch?
McHugh came into the game w/ the Jays leading 1-0, 2 outs, and a runner on 1st.
He stopped them.
Tho he gave up a 2B and there were runners @ 2nd & 3rd, the score was still 1-0 Jays when he got the 3rd out.
Seems like the only Biagini could get from this was a hold since he inherited the lead.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #78 on:** August 31, 2019, 09:25:40 am »

Quote from: Snuffy on August 31, 2019, 09:17:20 am

I'm far from an expert, but...

Weren't the go ahead runs scored b/f Biagini threw his 1st pitch?
McHugh came into the game w/ the Jays leading 1-0, 2 outs, and a runner on 1st.
He stopped them.
Tho he gave up a 2B and there were runners @ 2nd & 3rd, the score was still 1-0 Jays when he got the 3rd out.
Seems like the only Biagini could get from this was a hold since he inherited the lead.

I thought McHugh came in the bottom of the 5th....let's go to the box score....nope, it was the 4th. So you are absolutely correct. McHugh was the pitcher of record when the Astros took the lead. McHugh gets the win. I was thinking Miley came out after the Astros scored in the 5th, but obviously my mind is failing.

A "harrumph" for Snuffy!

Lefty · « **Reply #79 on:** August 31, 2019, 09:31:39 am »

From mlb.com:

A pitcher receives a win when he is the pitcher of record when his team takes the lead for good -- with a couple rare exceptions. First, a starting pitcher must pitch at least five innings (in a traditional game of nine innings or longer) to qualify for the win. If he does not, the official scorer awards the win to the most effective relief pitcher.

There is also a rarely used clause where an official scorer can deem a relief pitcher's appearance "brief and ineffective." (For example, if a reliever relinquished a one-run lead by allowing three runs, but was still in line for a win after his team scored four runs in the following inning -- that may qualify.) If that's the case, the scorer can award the win to a pitcher who followed that "brief and ineffective" pitcher. Which relief pitcher earns the win specifically is also up to the judgment of the official scorer.

I don't think I've ever seen the 2nd paragraph come into play, didn't know that possibility existed actually.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #80 on:** August 31, 2019, 09:34:53 am »

Quote from: Lefty on August 31, 2019, 09:31:39 am

From mlb.com:

A pitcher receives a win when he is the pitcher of record when his team takes the lead for good -- with a couple rare exceptions. First, a starting pitcher must pitch at least five innings (in a traditional game of nine innings or longer) to qualify for the win. If he does not, the official scorer awards the win to the most effective relief pitcher.

There is also a rarely used clause where an official scorer can deem a relief pitcher's appearance "brief and ineffective." (For example, if a reliever relinquished a one-run lead by allowing three runs, but was still in line for a win after his team scored four runs in the following inning -- that may qualify.) If that's the case, the scorer can award the win to a pitcher who followed that "brief and ineffective" pitcher. Which relief pitcher earns the win specifically is also up to the judgment of the official scorer.

I don't think I've ever seen the 2nd paragraph come into play, didn't know that possibility existed actually.

I may have seen that invoked a time or two, but it's pretty obscure. Obviously that was not the case with McHugh last night, as the Astros were already behind, and he did not give up a run, even though his appearance was brief. He was rightly the "pitcher of record" when the Astros took the lead for good.

Snuffy · « **Reply #81 on:** August 31, 2019, 09:49:43 am »

Quote from: Lefty on August 31, 2019, 09:31:39 am

From mlb.com:

A pitcher receives a win when he is the pitcher of record when his team takes the lead for good -- with a couple rare exceptions. First, a starting pitcher must pitch at least five innings (in a traditional game of nine innings or longer) to qualify for the win. If he does not, the official scorer awards the win to the most effective relief pitcher.

There is also a rarely used clause where an official scorer can deem a relief pitcher's appearance "brief and ineffective." ....

I don't think I've ever seen the 2nd paragraph come into play, didn't know that possibility existed actually.

He did give up a 2B, but he threw 11 strikes out of 14 pitches, including 8 of 10 strikes to K Biggio for the 3rd out - it was a battle!.

The OS must have called that "effective", especially after seeing Milley take 95 pitches to get 52 strikes....

Lefty · « **Reply #82 on:** August 31, 2019, 09:54:41 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 31, 2019, 09:34:53 am

I may have seen that invoked a time or two, but it's pretty obscure. Obviously that was not the case with McHugh last night, as the Astros were already behind, and he did not give up a run, even though his appearance was brief. He was rightly the "pitcher of record" when the Astros took the lead for good.

Doesn't the first paragraph say it's up to the scorer since Miley didn't go 5?

JimR · « **Reply #83 on:** August 31, 2019, 10:11:22 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 31, 2019, 09:25:40 am

I thought McHugh came in the bottom of the 5th....let's go to the box score....nope, it was the 4th. So you are absolutely correct. McHugh was the pitcher of record when the Astros took the lead. McHugh gets the win. I was thinking Miley came out after the Astros scored in the 5th, but obviously my mind is failing.

A "harrumph" for Snuffy!

I think/thought if the starter does not go five it is scorer’s discretion as to who pitched most effectively, not who was pitching when the winning team took the lead. Is that wrong?

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #84 on:** August 31, 2019, 10:27:20 am »

I declare Joe Biagini the Official OWA Certified Winning Pitcher of last night's game.*

*Not redeemable for an actual win in any meaningful statistical accounting, but we appreciate the performance; in addition cash reward for anyone who can produce an effective bullpen arm or three for the stretch run

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #85 on:** August 31, 2019, 10:51:33 am »

Quote from: JimR on August 31, 2019, 10:11:22 am

I think/thought if the starter does not go five it is scorer’s discretion as to who pitched most effectively, not who was pitching when the winning team took the lead. Is that wrong?

I think that's only if there is no other pitcher of record, and the starter does not qualify. The rule book says:

"The official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher that pitcher whose team assumes a lead while such pitcher is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which such pitcher is removed from the game, and does not relinquish such lead"

The exception to this rule is the starting pitcher who leaves with a lead but does not pitch enough innings to qualify, in which case the "most effective reliever" rules apply. But if reliever enters when his team is trailing, and leaves with the lead, he is the pitcher of record, and if his team maintains the lead, he is the winning pitcher. This is the case last night with McHugh.

Snuffy · « **Reply #86 on:** August 31, 2019, 12:09:21 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 31, 2019, 10:51:33 am

I think that's only if there is no other pitcher of record, and the starter does not qualify. The rule book says:

"The official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher that pitcher whose team assumes a lead while such pitcher is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which such pitcher is removed from the game, and does not relinquish such lead"

The exception to this rule is the starting pitcher who leaves with a lead but does not pitch enough innings to qualify, in which case the "most effective reliever" rules apply. But if reliever enters when his team is trailing, and leaves with the lead, he is the pitcher of record, and if his team maintains the lead, he is the winning pitcher. This is the case last night with McHugh.

Thanks, guys, for turning the Game Day thread into a Baseball #101 lesson.
No time for an after action analysis during the game, but after....
Much obliged.

JimR · « **Reply #87 on:** August 31, 2019, 12:19:13 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 31, 2019, 10:51:33 am

I think that's only if there is no other pitcher of record, and the starter does not qualify. The rule book says:

"The official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher that pitcher whose team assumes a lead while such pitcher is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which such pitcher is removed from the game, and does not relinquish such lead"

The exception to this rule is the starting pitcher who leaves with a lead but does not pitch enough innings to qualify, in which case the "most effective reliever" rules apply. But if reliever enters when his team is trailing, and leaves with the lead, he is the pitcher of record, and if his team maintains the lead, he is the winning pitcher. This is the case last night with McHugh.

Ok. Logical.