Astros @ Mariners, August 21, 2018

[HudsonHawk]

Still no Springer, Altuve back

[WVastro]

I have 10pm start time discomfort.

[HudsonHawk]

T1:

Bregman flies out F7
Altuve...0-2...reaches out at a pitch 3-ft off the plate and grounds out 3U
Correa 0-2...singles to LF
Marwin...3-1...pops out F5

No score

[Astros Fan in Big D]

I have 10pm start time discomfort.

It's brutal.

When California floats off into the Pacific it'll be even worse.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Nellie Cruz out with a back issue.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Nice play by Yuli that probably doesn't get made by White.

[HudsonHawk]

B1:

Haniger strikes out looking
Cano...0-2...1-2...grounds out 3-1 on a diving stop by Gurriel...that’s a hit with White at 1B
Segura rips a single to LF on the first pitch
Span...who looks like Grady Wilson from Sanford and Son, grounds out 3U

No score

[HudsonHawk]

Nice play by Yuli that probably doesn't get made by White.

There’s no fucking way White makes that play.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

B1:

Haniger strikes out looking
Cano...0-2...1-2...grounds out 3-1 on a diving stop by Gurriel...that’s a hit with White at 1B
Segura rips a single to LF on the first pitch
Span...who looks like Grady Wilson from Sanford and Son, grounds out 3U

No score

Perfect.

[hostros7]

I have 10pm start time discomfort.

Wait until after there is a total of 12 pitching changes.


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[VirtualBob]

There’s no fucking way White makes that play.

tru dat.  He finds a way to hit, but he is playing his natural position tonight.

[VirtualBob]

Nellie Cruz out with a back issue.

How do you spell Schadenfreude?

[HudsonHawk]

T2:

White...0-2...strikes out swinging at a pitch over his head
Gurriel flies out F7 on the first pitch
Reddick...3-0...3-1...walks
Stassi lines one off of Vincent who runs it down and flips to 1B

No score

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Ouch.

That ball rolled a long way after bouncing off his shin.

[Snuffy]

Ouch.

That ball rolled a long way after bouncing off his shin.

Will he be able to return?

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Will he be able to return?

He was probably done for the night anyway.

[WVastro]

Will he be able to return?

He wasn’t going to anyway.

[HudsonHawk]

They just cannot stop talking about the Astros winning the division. The fucking Stro poll has it as a fucking given.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

What the hell kind of question of the day is that?!

[Snuffy]

Including Valdez and Tucker, have any other Astros made their ML debut this year?

[VirtualBob]

They just cannot stop talking about the Astros winning the division. The fucking Stro poll has it as a fucking given.

Would it be too much to ask them to simply talk about the GAME?  Dead air is not a disaster but all this nonsense is.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Including Valdez and Tucker, have any other Astros made their ML debut this year?

Perez

[WVastro]

What was this question of the day? Missed it...

[Astros Fan in Big D]

What was this question of the day? Missed it...

Who is ther biggest threat in the division race

[WVastro]

Who is ther biggest threat in the division race

Fuck....

[HudsonHawk]

Peacock just couldn’t put guys away.

[WVastro]

Who is ther biggest threat in the division race

I choose option E which is “YES”.

[VirtualBob]

Peacock just couldn’t put guys away.

And its Framber time.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Who is ther biggest threat in the division race

Themselves

[HudsonHawk]

B2:

Seager...3-2...grounds out 6-3 in the shift
Healy...0-2...1-2...2-2...singles to CF
Gamel...0-2...1-2...2-2...3-2...strikes out looking, bitches about it
Herrmann...0-2...singles to RF, Healy to 2B

That’s all for Peacock...Valdez in

Gordon...0-2...flies out F9

No score.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

This has to be the first Framber in MLB history.

[VirtualBob]

Themselves

+1 ... followed closely by the booth team and the BBGs.

[WVastro]

I like it. Start your mlb career with 3 nasty hooks. We should call that a “Framber”.

[Texifornia]

Three straight consecutive curve balls from the Framberlator.

[Texifornia]

Presumably Stassi has experience framing Framber.

[VirtualBob]

Presumably Stassi has experience framing Framber.

I doubt it ... Valdez has been in AA until the last couple of weeks.

[WVastro]

Hey Kalas... “7 innings of 1 hit baseball” is not “almost a no-hitter”. Just sayin.

[Snuffy]

Perez

Thanks

[Astros Fan in Big D]

I doubt it ... Valdez has been in AA until the last couple of weeks.

So your saying that was a fraudulent Framber framing phrase?

[WVastro]

Wait wait wait. A walk and a single with nobody out... there might be a thing starting.

[VirtualBob]

Wait wait wait. A walk and a single with nobody out... there might be a thing starting.

Also, Altuve took 2 pitches in 1 AB.

[WVastro]

I like that Altuve is hacking on his return. See the ball hit the ball.

[Snuffy]

How about a win in Valdez's debut?
How great it is to see Altuve at the plate with two on....

[HudsonHawk]

Astros with the bases juiced...nobody out...

[hostros7]

Don’t pop it up to first on the first pitch.


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[Astros Fan in Big D]

Altuve works a walk to load them up.

[Snuffy]

19 pitches and no outs.

[WVastro]

I’ll take that.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

On the board.

Let's keep the pressure up.

[Snuffy]

Altuve's back, 1st RBI for Correa.
Coincidence?

[WVastro]

There’s the dp!

[HudsonHawk]

T3:

Detwiler, who was pitching Independent League ball early this year, in

Kemp...0-2...1-2...2-2...3-2...fouling off pitches...walks
Bregman singles to LF, Kemp to 2B
Altuve...full up...walks, Kemp to 3B, Bregman to 2B
Correa flies out F7 on the first pitch, Kemp scores on the sac fly
Marwin...0-2...grounds into 5U-3 double play...like swallows to Capistrano...

1-0 Astros

[Astros Fan in Big D]

And there's the gidp.

From our best hitter this month no less.

[HudsonHawk]

Going to bed

[doyce7]

Wait until after there is a total of 12 pitching changes.


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I'll take the over

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[VirtualBob]

I'll take the over

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Good on ye.

[VirtualBob]

That hook looks even better on TV than when I saw him in person.  Maybe it has improved?

[WVastro]

That curve is legit.

[Jacksonian]

That hook looks even better on TV than when I saw him in person.  Maybe it has improved?

How many times did you see him?

[WVastro]

Well, the next couple ab’s could mean the difference between a great night’s sleep and super shitty one.

[Snuffy]

Yep.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Catch the fucking ball,  Stassi.

Strikeout, run scored,  everybody safe,  bases still juiced.

[WVastro]

I agree. That was a passed ball.

[HudsonHawk]

Catch the fucking ball,  Stassi.

Strikeout, run scored,  everybody safe,  bases still juiced.

Seager is out on  the strike out.

[Snuffy]

Not bad for the bases loaded w/ 1 out.

[VirtualBob]

Live by the hook; die by the hook.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Seager is out on  the strike out.

Yep,  forgot first base occupied.

[Snuffy]

FWIW The run is unearned.

[VirtualBob]

How many times did you see him?

Twice.  Corpus earlier this year when the family was at the beach, and his one start at Lancaster a couple of years ago when I was in LA on business.

[WVastro]

Sweet. Another dp!

[Jacksonian]

Twice.  Corpus earlier this year when the family was at the beach, and his one start at Lancaster a couple of years ago when I was in LA on business.

No doubt it’s improved since Lancaster.  I wonder if the time at Corpus was just an off day for him.

[Jacksonian]

Reddick!

[WVastro]

119 double plays in 125+ games.

Reddick!!

[Snuffy]

Sweet. Another dp!

That was a characteristic of when they were rolling - lots of runners on base, runs scored, and dp.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

He hit that one a little didn't he?

[VirtualBob]

No doubt it’s improved since Lancaster.  I wonder if the time at Corpus was just an off day for him.

Could be.  He was good then, I just don't think it was as sharp as it is tonight.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Top 4

White singles to left
Yuli 6-4-3 gidp, replay review upholds the call
Reddick homers deep to right
Stassi 6-3

Mid 4
Astros 2
Mariners 1

[WVastro]

That was a characteristic of when they were rolling - lots of runners on base, runs scored, and dp.

Yup. And it was also a preview as to why this team is struggling this year. It was a problem then and it’s a problem now.

[Aussie Astro]

He hit that one a little didn't he?

Yeah, that was not too pretty bad.

[Snuffy]

Valdez looks unfazed by 2nd HBP.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Bottom 4

Valdez back out there

Gamel F7
Hermann Ks swinging on 3 pitches
Gordon hbp
Haniger goes 1-2, Gordon steals 2nd, then looks at a nice curve for strike 3

End 4
Astros 2
Mariners 1

[WVastro]

That hook has potential.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

That hook has potential.

Purty.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Meanwhile rangers down 4-0 in Oakland.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

ANOTHER GIDP!!

3 straight innings.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

This guy hasn't pitched in the bigs since 2016.

And we're gifting him outs.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Top 5

Kemp dumps one off his hands into left for a single
Bregman 5-4-3 gidp
Altuve 6-3

Mid 5
Astros 2
Mariners 1

[TerryPuhl21]

ANOTHER GIDP!!

3 straight innings.

I’m convinced that one of the reasons we are hitting into so many double plays is because we are so passive on the bases. We are on a pace to steal 22 less bases this year compared to last year. At the current pace we will steal our fewest bases as a team since 2007.

Now, we may not have a team built to run as much as last year and I understand that, but when you play station to station ball expect numerous double plays.


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[Astros Fan in Big D]

Bottom 5

Cano 6-3 on a nice backhand stop/ strong throw by CC
Segura F8 nice running play by Sipp
Span grounds out 3-1

End 5
Astros 2
Mariners 1

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Top 6

Correa safe on an infield single up the middle
Gonzalez singles to left,  Correa to 3rd
White goes 2-0 then 2-1,  3-1, 3-2, Ks swinging on a curve
Gurriel bounces one thru the middle,  Correa scores,  Marwin to 2nd
Reddick gidp (4th consecutive inning they've done that)

Mid 6
Astros 3
Mariners 1

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Question to the MLB savvy who read this Wednesday morning or who may be with us tonight:

The gidp hh's to be a point of emphasis with the hitting coach,  right?  Know the situation,  what the opponent wants to do,  have a plan etc ...

[WVastro]

Question to the MLB savvy who read this Wednesday morning or who may be with us tonight:

The gidp hh's to be a point of emphasis with the hitting coach,  right?  Know the situation,  what the opponent wants to do,  have a plan etc ...

For me and what I’m seeing... it’s more that they are swinging too often at “pitchers pitches” and watching fresh meat sail on by. They make contact for sure and that’s nice and all, but their pitch selection is garbage.

[MRaup]

For me and what I’m seeing... it’s more that they are swinging too often at “pitchers pitches” and watching fresh meat sail on by. They make contact for sure and that’s nice and all, but their pitch selection is garbage.

Taking hittable fastballs and swinging at shit. It's been a problem all season.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Bottom 6

Seager 3-1
Healy 6-3
Gamel goes to 3-2, walks on a checked swing
Hermann 0-2, Ks swinging on a perfect curve

End 6
Astros 3
Mariners 1

[WVastro]

Framber!!

(Auto-correct already has this one. That must mean something.)

[doyce7]

What a fucking debut for valdez

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[WVastro]

What a fucking debut for valdez

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If it were me I’d give him another inning. I’m glad it’s not me.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

We're letting this slop thrower off the hook.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Top 7

Detwiler still in

Stassi Ks looking,  non-competitive AB
Kemp F7
Bregman pops out F4

Mid 7
Astros 3
Mariners 1

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Bottom 5

Cano 6-3 on a nice backhand stop/ strong throw by CC
Segura F8 nice running play by Sipp Kemp
Span grounds out 3-1

End 5
Astros 2
Mariners 1

FIFY

[Astros Fan in Big D]

FIFY

Dammit.   That's 2 nights in a row.

It's because they're both named Tony.   That's the only reason.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Good job for Framber!

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Dammit.   That's 2 nights in a row.

It's because they're both named Tony.   That's the only reason.

You do good work. I appreciate it. Keep it up.

[MusicMan]

Framber did a man's work tonight.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Good job for Framber!

Absolutely.

[WVastro]

You do good work. I appreciate it. Keep Kemp it up.

FIFY

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

I got to admit, I'm not always sure what a balk is. I'm just glad one wasn't called and Gordon was out.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

FIFY

Kempin ain't easy

[WVastro]

Framber did a man's work tonight.

I like the fact that he hit a few people with that hook. He didn’t show any fear tonight.

[Jacksonian]

I got to admit, I'm not always sure what a balk is. I'm just glad one wasn't called and Gordon was out.

Rest assured if it was a balk this fine umpiring crew would have called it.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Bottom 7

Framber coming back out


Gordon HBP again
That's it for Framber, Joe Smith comes in for the top of the order
Haniger takes a strike, Gordon gets picked off 1st on a completely legal play so move along nothing to see here, Haniger Ks swinging
Canó lines a single to right
Segura 0-2, 1-2, grounds out 5-3

End 7
Astros 3
Mariners 1

[Astros Fan in Big D]

I like the fact that he hit a few people with that hook. He didn’t show any fear tonight.

The pitch Seager bailed on was a strike. Not called,  but it was a strike.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

I like the fact that he hit a few people with that hook. He didn’t show any fear tonight.

He wasn't sorry about hitting them... shit happens.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Wonder what insurance rates are in Seattle.

[WVastro]

It’s moments like that when I realize I don’t know shit about the balk even though I think I do.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Top 8

Detwiler still in

Altuve lines out sharply to Gordon at 2nd
Correa singles down the RF line
Gonzalez 5-4-3 gipd

Mid 8
Astros 3
Mariners 1

[TerryPuhl21]

Ok, I’ve got to go to bed. Staying up for the duration last night didn’t help so hopefully my turning in will.

One thing before I call it a night. Valdez was VERY impressive. Great breaking ball and he was very calm on the mound with his demeanor, even when he got into the bases loaded trouble. The situation did not look too big for him. I would say that we could be looking at one of the early favorites to replace Keuchel in the rotation next season.


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[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

is Carlos Correa finding his groove?

[Texifornia]

My God, it's an avalanche of goddamn gidps!

[WVastro]

I think they’re trying to be nice to us east coasters by hitting in to 73 double plays tonight.

[Aussie Astro]

Fuck ol' Ireland, the double plays are beyond ridiculous.

[chuck]

I'd rather have seen Carlos thrown out at second by 20 feet than that bullshit.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

5 gidp in this game.

It would be unbelievable if it weren't the freaking theme of the offense this year.

#neversettle
#neverdon'tgidp

[WVastro]

Osuna in the 8th....

[Snuffy]

is Carlos Correa finding his groove?

Altuve returns and Correa 3 for 3. 
Coincidence?

[Astros Fan in Big D]

is Carlos Correa finding his groove?

Very nice night.

[WVastro]

Altuve returns and Correa 3 for 3. 
Coincidence?

Yes.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

There's been more DPs than a Rocco Siffredi porn video. Or so I have heard.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

5 gidp ties the club record set in 1962.

That's right.  The defending WS Champions tied the expansion .45s.

[WVastro]

5 gidp ties the club record set in 1962.

That's right.  The defending WS Champions tied the expansion .45s.

Still time to set a new record!

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Larry Andersen was also nails out of the pen in the late 80s.

They sold him short in that blurb.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Still time to set a new record!

Well, that's worth staying up for.

[astrojo]

Osuna having trouble putting hitters away after 2strikes

[MusicMan]

GODDAMNSEEINGEYEBALL


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[Texifornia]

Osuna having trouble putting hitters away after 2strikes

He's having a hard time missing bats.

[WVastro]

He's having a hard time missing bats.

Who? Giles?

[astrojo]

This isn’t going to end well, is it?

[WVastro]

This isn’t going to end well, is it?

Nope.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Bottom 8

Osuna in

Span singles to center
Seager Ks swinging
Healy battles,  hits a shot that short hops past Bregman,  Span to 3rd
Romine runs for Healy
Gamel hits a bouncing ball over the drawn in Gurriel, Span scores,  Romine to 3rd
Cruz hits for Hermann, misses a FB 0-1, misses a slider 0-2, lays off another 1-2, Ks swinging on a slider in the dirt
AJ resets with the infield in the mound
Gordon fouls one back 0-1, fouls another 0-2, Ks swinging on high cheese

End 8
Astros 3
Mariners 2

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Holy crap I'm a mess now.

[MusicMan]

This isn’t going to end well, is it?

Well done


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[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Somebody call State Farm, Allstate, Liberty, Progressive, Gieco, hell, the General!

[doyce7]

If I'm Duke I walk yuli so I can get a dp on my next pitch

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[WVastro]

We need a walk to set up the dp.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

I love Yuli with all my baseball heart.

But with runner on 2nd, no outs,  that was a shitburger AB.

[astrojo]

We need a walk to set up the dp.

You shut your whore mouth!

[Texifornia]

Reddick walks to set up the record try...

[doyce7]

If I'm Duke I walk yuli so I can get a dp on my next pitch

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Goddamn guys I'm sorry it backfired

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[WVastro]

They did it!!!

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Top 9

Duke (LHP)

White doubles sharply into the LF corner
Gurriel 5-3, White stays put
Reddick walks
Gattis hits for Kemp, promptly goes 6-4-3 gidp setting the team record for dps in a game

Mid 9
Astros 3
Mariners 2

[Texifornia]

12 of 27

Holy shit!

12 of 27

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Goddamn guys I'm sorry it backfired

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You took a swing.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

I'm so glad I got to see the Astros set an all time team record.

[WVastro]

You shut your whore mouth!

My ex called me a slut once. I was proud of that.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Rondon needs to be a manly man.

[astrojo]

Not sure why Hinch didn’t stay with Kemp anyway. With Gattis up, that was a foregone conclusion.

Edited to add that I just realized he PH for Stassi

[doyce7]

And breathe

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[WVastro]

Nice work by Framber and the bullpen tonight.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Bottom 9

Rondón on the bump, Machete behind the plate

Hanover 0-2, grounds out 5-3
Canó fouls 0-1, takes an outside FB 1-1, misses 99 mph gas 1-2, takes just outside 2-2, flies out F8
Segura grounds out 6-3

Final
Astros 3
Mariners 2

WP: Framber Valdez (1-0)

[doyce7]

Not sure why Hinch didn’t stay with Kemp anyway. With Gattis up, that was a foregone conclusion.

If you're going to have both pinch hit, I'd rather see Springer be the first one

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[Texifornia]

Hosefreakin'anna!

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Biggest win of the season!

[astrojo]

Rondon with the save, Happy that Framber Valdez will be awarded his 1st Major League W

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Nice work by Framber and the bullpen tonight.

Huge job.  Huge win.

One of the runs was unearned.  The second came after voodoo balls kept avoiding our gloves in the 8th.

[astrojo]

If you're going to have both pinch hit, I'd rather see Springer be the first one

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I thought he was PH for Kemp, but it was for Stassi there.  Springer may well have hit for Kemp if Gattis had only grounded into a single out.

[doyce7]

I thought he was PH for Kemp, but it was for Stassi there.  Springer may well have hit for Kemp if Gattis had only grounded into a single out.

Springer being *less* likely to gidp is the reason I would have had him hit first. Doesnt affect the defense the next inning either way. If he does gidp then Maldonado replaces Springer instead of gattis. If he doesnt then gattis hits for Kemp and you bring in Maldonado for gattis with Springer going to center.

Doesnt matter now as the game was won anyway. Just my 2 cents on how I would have handled it.

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[Astros Fan in Big D]

Late night recap:

Correa 3 hits and a sac fly rbi; definitely looked better

Altuve hitless but had a walk in a very patient AB that set up the sac fly

The gidps allowed Detwiler to stay in and rest their pen

If you missed it,  check out the Flamber highlights; the dude has a sweet curve and his FB was around 93

White had another extra base hit

Osuna pitched the 8th but threw a lot of pitches, Rondón had a 9 pitch save

Finally: ASTROS WIN!

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Springer being *less* likely to gidp is the reason I would have had him hit first. Doesnt affect the defense the next inning either way. If he does gidp then Maldonado replaces Springer instead of gattis. If he doesnt then gattis hits for Kemp and you bring in Maldonado for gattis with Springer going to center.

Doesnt matter now as the game was won anyway. Just my 2 cents on how I would have handled it.

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Agree.  But I'm guessing AJ's preference was to not have Springer play at all.

[Tom Servo]

I had to miss the last two games due to being on the east coast and having to go to bed early. I just want to say thanks to everyone that does the PBP. It really helps in these situations. And to all the commentary as well.

Big win for the good guys. I’ll have to check out the highlights of Framber later. Sounds like a great debut.


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[Astros Fan in Big D]

Baseball reference confirms it.

Framber Valdez is the only player in MLB history named Framber.

He joins Marwin and Yuli in that club.
(ETA: The Unique Appellation Club; Marwin and Yuli, like all big leaguers before them,  are also not named Framber)

(There have been just 14 Valdez's's's in the bigs)

[BudGirl]

I’m convinced that one of the reasons we are hitting into so many double plays is because we are so passive on the bases. We are on a pace to steal 22 less bases this year compared to last year. At the current pace we will steal our fewest bases as a team since 2007.

Now, we may not have a team built to run as much as last year and I understand that, but when you play station to station ball expect numerous double plays.


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Sparks on the radio last night said he thought they need to be more aggressive on the bases and maybe that would eliminate some of the double plays.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Sparks on the radio last night said he thought they need to be more aggressive on the bases and maybe that would eliminate some of the double plays.

Bregman not taking 3rd on the Correa fly ball was mentioned a few times on the broadcast.   Things may have changed,  but that could have put him on 3rd with 1 out.  If the same groundball is they would have had to go around the horn to turn it and it wasn't exactly smoked.

I like the concept of not swinging at pitcher's pitches early in ABs.

[Knoxbanedoodle]

I had to miss the last two games due to being on the east coast and having to go to bed early. I just want to say thanks to everyone that does the PBP. It really helps in these situations. And to all the commentary as well.

Big win for the good guys. I’ll have to check out the highlights of Framber later. Sounds like a great debut.


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Ditto on all counts.

[JimR]

Nice play by Yuli that probably doesn't get made by White.

That statement covers anything not hit directly to White.

[JimR]

Peacock just couldn’t put guys away.

He pitched Saturday and Sunday before his Tuesday start. Kudos to him for trying.

[JimR]

I’m convinced that one of the reasons we are hitting into so many double plays is because we are so passive on the bases. We are on a pace to steal 22 less bases this year compared to last year. At the current pace we will steal our fewest bases as a team since 2007.

Now, we may not have a team built to run as much as last year and I understand that, but when you play station to station ball expect numerous double plays.


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Here you go again. No!

You are a broken fucking record on a infinite fucking loop.

[TerryPuhl21]

Here you go again. No!

You are a broken fucking record on a infinite fucking loop.

Jim, what is your problem? Do you just have an ax to grind with anyone who doesn’t subscribe to your point of view? I’ve never said a cross word to you on this board. I value your opinion as an Astros fan and GENERALLY enjoy your contributions. I posted something a few weeks ago about how I thought we should hit and run more. It was just an opinion and I was labeled by you and MRaup as panicking. Why my suggestion of a hit and run was more of a panic post compared to all of the posts in here nightly about how this team is falling apart is a mystery to me. AJ himself said on the radio about a week after my comment that perhaps he should start runners more to generate some offense. I almost posted something about that but let it go. It was water under the bridge to me.....until today.

What is your fucking problem with me? My post above simply tried to give an explanation as to why we may be hitting into so many double plays. I didn’t suggest a course of action. I even said how we may not be built steal this year compared to last. I simply tried to convey an observation about why we hit into such an extraordinary amount of double plays. And for that I have to deal with your vitriol??

Save that shit for Rangers fans. We should treat each other better my friend.


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[TerryPuhl21]

He pitched Saturday and Sunday before his Tuesday start. Kudos to him for trying.

Agree. I thought he did a good job.

Valdez was impressive. The camera angle may have been exaggerating the break but that curve ball was wicked. The Mariners’ hitters would probably agree as many were ducking for cover. Not sure I’ve seen a breaking ball that good since Bert Blyleven.


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[MRaup]

Jim, what is your problem? Do you just have an ax to grind with anyone who doesn’t subscribe to your point of view? I’ve never said a cross word to you on this board. I value your opinion as an Astros fan and GENERALLY enjoy your contributions. I posted something a few weeks ago about how I thought we should hit and run more. It was just an opinion and I was labeled by you and MRaup as panicking. Why my suggestion of a hit and run was more of a panic post compared to all of the posts in here nightly about how this team is falling apart is a mystery to me. AJ himself said on the radio about a week after my comment that perhaps he should start runners more to generate some offense. I almost posted something about that but let it go. It was water under the bridge to me.....until today.

What is your fucking problem with me? My post above simply tried to give an explanation as to why we may be hitting into so many double plays. I didn’t suggest a course of action. I even said how we may not be built steal this year compared to last. I simply tried to convey an observation about why we hit into such an extraordinary amount of double plays. And for that I have to deal with your vitriol??

Save that shit for Rangers fans. We should treat each other better my friend.


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His problem isn't with you, and neither is mine.

The problem is you're making a suggestion that is pretty much nonsensical. Starting the runners is great on paper, but starting the runners also makes a lot of assumptions about hitters that clearly AJ Hinch and the braintrust feel isn't going to help, or they'd already be doing it.

Also, starting a runner at first isn't nearly as useful against a shifted infield, as there is still going to be a guy in that hole that the 2nd baseman/shortstop usually is not occupying anymore because he'd be going to cover the bag.

The long and short of it is that most of the double plays are happening because hitters are bringing a shitty approach to the plate, not because the runners aren't moving.

[juliogotay]

His problem isn't with you, and neither is mine.

The problem is you're making a suggestion that is pretty much nonsensical. Starting the runners is great on paper, but starting the runners also makes a lot of assumptions about hitters that clearly AJ Hinch and the braintrust feel isn't going to help, or they'd already be doing it.

Also, starting a runner at first isn't nearly as useful against a shifted infield, as there is still going to be a guy in that hole that the 2nd baseman/shortstop usually is not occupying anymore because he'd be going to cover the bag.

The long and short of it is that most of the double plays are happening because hitters are bringing a shitty approach to the plate, not because the runners aren't moving.

Good post, Mark.

[JimR]

His problem isn't with you, and neither is mine.

The problem is you're making a suggestion that is pretty much nonsensical. Starting the runners is great on paper, but starting the runners also makes a lot of assumptions about hitters that clearly AJ Hinch and the braintrust feel isn't going to help, or they'd already be doing it.

Also, starting a runner at first isn't nearly as useful against a shifted infield, as there is still going to be a guy in that hole that the 2nd baseman/shortstop usually is not occupying anymore because he'd be going to cover the bag.

The long and short of it is that most of the double plays are happening because hitters are bringing a shitty approach to the plate, not because the runners aren't moving.

Outstanding post. My reply likely would have been more long-winded and too analytical about when you start runners and why. Good job.

[TerryPuhl21]

His problem isn't with you, and neither is mine.

The problem is you're making a suggestion that is pretty much nonsensical. Starting the runners is great on paper, but starting the runners also makes a lot of assumptions about hitters that clearly AJ Hinch and the braintrust feel isn't going to help, or they'd already be doing it.

Also, starting a runner at first isn't nearly as useful against a shifted infield, as there is still going to be a guy in that hole that the 2nd baseman/shortstop usually is not occupying anymore because he'd be going to cover the bag.

The long and short of it is that most of the double plays are happening because hitters are bringing a shitty approach to the plate, not because the runners aren't moving.

It doesn’t matter to me if you agree or disagree with what I post. We all have opinions and they are right or wrong in the eyes of different people. That is one of the things this forum is for. Debate and discussion about the team we love. My only issue was being labeled and cussed at because of an opinion, an opinion by the way that AJ himself a week later said “we probably need to look at starting runners more often to try and generate some offense.”

I just believe in treating people with dignity and respect, which is real old fashion in this day an age when you can type whatever you want on a forum with no real fear physical repercussions. I will always do that to each of you whether I agree with your opinion or not.......and I’ll try to develop a thicker skin in the process. [emoji12]


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[JimR]

It doesn’t matter to me if you agree or disagree with what I post. We all have opinions and they are right or wrong in the eyes of different people. That is one of the things this forum is for. Debate and discussion about the team we love. My only issue was being labeled and cussed at because of an opinion, an opinion by the way that AJ himself a week later said “we probably need to look at starting runners more often to try and generate some offense.”

I just believe in treating people with dignity and respect, which is real old fashion in this day an age when you can type whatever you want on a forum with no real fear physical repercussions. I will always do that to each of you whether I agree with your opinion or not.......and I’ll try to develop a thicker skin in the process. [emoji12]


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You watch baseball, but you do not understand it. You call your lack of understandinh opinions. Fine, but Mark tried to help you. No surprise you did not learn anything.

[MRaup]

It doesn’t matter to me if you agree or disagree with what I post. We all have opinions and they are right or wrong in the eyes of different people. That is one of the things this forum is for. Debate and discussion about the team we love. My only issue was being labeled and cussed at because of an opinion, an opinion by the way that AJ himself a week later said “we probably need to look at starting runners more often to try and generate some offense.”

I just believe in treating people with dignity and respect, which is real old fashion in this day an age when you can type whatever you want on a forum with no real fear physical repercussions. I will always do that to each of you whether I agree with your opinion or not.......and I’ll try to develop a thicker skin in the process. [emoji12]


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See the bold.

Generating offense, not stay out of double plays. Double plays, AGAIN, aren't because the runners aren't moving. Double plays are happening because Astros hitters are swinging at pitches that lead to double plays  instead of jumping on pitches to drive. If you take two fastballs in the zone then swing at a junkball off the outside corner, there's a much better chance you're going to roll over on it and hit in to a double play than if you swing at a thigh high fastball down the middle.

If starting runners was a viable way to routinely prevent double plays, wouldn't managers be starting runners all the time? You are more than allowed to have an opinion. But if your opinion is nonsense, it shall be addressed as such.

[TerryPuhl21]

You watch baseball, but you do not understand it. You call your lack of understandinh opinions. Fine, but Mark tried to help you. No surprise you did not learn anything.

And you read posts and infer from them things that were not actually said. No surprise there either, but that is fine. We will all survive. Let’s win this game today.


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[MRaup]

And you read posts and infer from them things that were not actually said. No surprise there either, but that is fine. We will all survive. Let’s win this game today.


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Bravo, perfect non-response Mr. President.

[hostros7]

I just believe in treating people with dignity and respect, which is real old fashion in this day an age when you can type whatever you want on a forum with no real fear physical repercussions. I will always do that to each of you whether I agree with your opinion or not.......and I’ll try to develop a thicker skin in the process. [emoji12]


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since you’re so “old fashion,” please stop using emojis in the forum.


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[Ty in Tampa]

That is one of the things this forum is for. Debate and discussion about the team we love. My only issue was being labeled and cussed at because of an opinion, an opinion by the way that AJ himself a week later said “we probably need to look at starting runners more often to try and generate some offense.”

I just believe in treating people with dignity and respect, which is real old fashion in this day an age when you can type whatever you want on a forum with no real fear physical repercussions. I will always do that to each of you whether I agree with your opinion or not.......and I’ll try to develop a thicker skin in the process.

This place has a long history of beating posters down for their opinions. You should really be grateful that you have been given as much rope as you have and that Jim is the only one cussing at you.

[TerryPuhl21]

See the bold.

Generating offense, not stay out of double plays. Double plays, AGAIN, aren't because the runners aren't moving. Double plays are happening because Astros hitters are swinging at pitches that lead to double plays  instead of jumping on pitches to drive. If you take two fastballs in the zone then swing at a junkball off the outside corner, there's a much better chance you're going to roll over on it and hit in to a double play than if you swing at a thigh high fastball down the middle.

If starting runners was a viable way to routinely prevent double plays, wouldn't managers be starting runners all the time? You are more than allowed to have an opinion. But if your opinion is nonsense, it shall be addressed as such.

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[TerryPuhl21]

since you’re so “old fashion,” please stop using emojis in the forum.


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LOL!!

Will do!


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[TerryPuhl21]

This place has a long history of beating posters down for their opinions. You should really be grateful that you have been given as much rope as you have and that Jim is the only one cussing at you.

I hear you.


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[JimR]

I hear you.


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If only that were true.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

since you’re so “old fashion,” please stop using emojis in the forum.


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I'll use god damn emojis if I want to.