Trade Deadline(s) 2018

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Getting close,  thought we might like to consolidate topic to one thread.

Curious what other offers were on the table from other teams (or under the table from FTY) for the O's to send Britton to the Evil Empire several days ahead of the deadline.

Does Giles have any trade value other than as an add in?

[Texifornia]

On one hand: Britton is off the market and with McHugh and Rondon pitching well the Astros don't necessarily need bullpen help.
On the other hand: Astros could use a left hander who can get outs.
On the other hand: Tony Sipp has pitched well all season.
On the other hand: There are ML ready players stacking up like cord wood in Fresno and should be good trade material to add a bat to the lineup.
On the other hand: Correa looks to be back soon and Marwin has started to hit again. Plus, Bregman and Yuli are hitting better than last year and Springer is getting hot again. Not to mention Tony Kemp can hit.

So the obvious answer to the question "What will the Astros do before the trade deadline?" is: _______________

[Nate Colbert]

Getting close,  thought we might like to consolidate topic to one thread.

About fucking time. Thank you.

[Jacksonian]

On one hand: Britton is off the market and with McHugh and Rondon pitching well the Astros don't necessarily need bullpen help.
On the other hand: Astros could use a left hander who can get outs.
On the other hand: Tony Sipp has pitched well all season.
On the other hand: There are ML ready players stacking up like cord wood in Fresno and should be good trade material to add a bat to the lineup.
On the other hand: Correa looks to be back soon and Marwin has started to hit again. Plus, Bregman and Yuli are hitting better than last year and Springer is getting hot again. Not to mention Tony Kemp can hit.

So the obvious answer to the question "What will the Astros do before the trade deadline?" is: _______________

The same thing they did in 2016.

[JimR]

The same thing they did in 2016.

Jacksonian, cold water on a hot day.

Luhnow obviously thinks the team needs bullpen help. The problem with a bat is where to play him. DH? The OF with Kemp and Tucker is crowded.

Stand pat? Maybe, but i’ll bet the GM is on the phone.

[Jacksonian]

Jacksonian, cold water on a hot day.

Luhnow obviously thins the team needs bullpen help. The problem with a bat is where to play him. DH? The OF with Kemp and Tucker is crowded.

Stand pat? Maybe, but i’ll bet the GM is on the phone.

This is what was going on 2 years ago.  He was looking but didn't like any deal.  I believe that's what's going on now.  Anyone he thinks would be an upgrade and a good fit is costing too much for his tastes.

Hinch has already DH'd Kemp.  If Tucker is going to hit I can't see any reason why Hinch wouldn't see Kemp as a regular DH, taking time from Gattis, and playing Kemp in the field on occasion.

[JimR]

This is what was going on 2 years ago.  He was looking but didn't like any deal.  I believe that's what's going on now.  Anyone he thinks would be an upgrade and a good fit is costing too much for his tastes.

Hinch has already DH'd Kemp.  If Tucker is going to hit I can't see any reason why Hinch wouldn't see Kemp as a regular DH, taking time from Gattis, and playing Kemp in the field on occasion.

I do not disagree with any of this, but he is chasing a repeat this year, and he was not in 2016. I think he will press harder for a deal. Catcher remains something of a question mark.

Talk about two extremes! TTB is trading for Harper, and Jacksonian ain’t doing anything.

The cordwood in AAA is an issue also.

[Jacksonian]

I do not disagree with any of this, but he is chasing a repeat this year, and he was not in 2016. I think he will press harder for a deal. Catcher remains something of a question mark.

Talk about two extremes! TTB is trading for Harper, and Jacksonian ain’t doing anything.

The cordwood in AAA is an issue also.

I don't expect Luhnow to address the catcher situation.  McCann will return in September. 

He is chasing a repeat, but he's been pretty clear in the past that he also wants to care for the future. 

AAA is stacking up.  But there aren't a lot of the better guys there that have to be moved or facing losing.  By my count (Nate will correct me if I'm wrong) only Kemp, White, and Boshers are out of options after this season.  Either Luhnow moves them are keeps them on the 25-man roster.  It looks like only Kemp will stay.  There are guys who will be or are Rule 5 eligible this winter who'll have to be on the 40-man are risk being taken in the Rule 5 draft.  IMO there are only 4-5 that Luhnow will be eyeing to add to the 40-man from that group.  So to make the long story short I'm not sure he's too worried about AAA getting overstocked.

The Astros have the equivalent of what the Yankees gave up for Britton.  If Luhnow was in the talks then he wasn't willing to give that much up.  I really think he's not going to overpay.  Is there a reliever or hitting version of Verlander out there, other than Harper?

[TerryPuhl21]

I don't expect Luhnow to address the catcher situation.  McCann will return in September. 

He is chasing a repeat, but he's been pretty clear in the past that he also wants to care for the future. 

AAA is stacking up.  But there aren't a lot of the better guys there that have to be moved or facing losing.  By my count (Nate will correct me if I'm wrong) only Kemp, White, and Boshers are out of options after this season.  Either Luhnow moves them are keeps them on the 25-man roster.  It looks like only Kemp will stay.  There are guys who will be or are Rule 5 eligible this winter who'll have to be on the 40-man are risk being taken in the Rule 5 draft.  IMO there are only 4-5 that Luhnow will be eyeing to add to the 40-man from that group.  So to make the long story short I'm not sure he's too worried about AAA getting overstocked.

The Astros have the equivalent of what the Yankees gave up for Britton.  If Luhnow was in the talks then he wasn't willing to give that much up.  I really think he's not going to overpay.  Is there a reliever or hitting version of Verlander out there, other than Harper?

Good take. Regarding Britton, pretty clear from the deal that what the Orioles wanted was pitching and pitching only. Jeff may have been willing to give up an arm but may have balked at the quantity. I could see him offering some of those players like Tyler White but that may not have worked for Baltimore. I don’t see a pitching or hitting version of Verlander out there unless it is Iglesias or Vazquez and they will cost top 10 in organization. Don’t expect to see that happen.


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[MusicMan]

That’s the thing- I don’t see any player nearly as impactful as Verlander on the market. If Realmuto is available then he’s the closest I see.


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[jaklewein]

RE:  BAL wanting pitching because that's what they received in the deal for Britton.  I read somewhere that the Yankees had an overstock of pitching in the upper minors and would have lost some if not traded.  That may be why they were willing to part with what they did.

[JimR]

RE:  BAL wanting pitching because that's what they received in the deal for Britton.  I read somewhere that the Yankees had an overstock of pitching in the upper minors and would have lost some if not traded.  That may be why they were willing to part with what they did.

Perez and Alvarez are still Astros. Yay.

[Lefty]

RE:  BAL wanting pitching because that's what they received in the deal for Britton.  I read somewhere that the Yankees had an overstock of pitching in the upper minors and would have lost some if not traded.  That may be why they were willing to part with what they did.

The Yankees have an overstock of pitching in the upper minors and shit for a major league rotation.

[TerryPuhl21]

Perez and Alvarez are still Astros. Yay.

Yes Jim, BIG YAY!!

I want to see Perez gradually eased into some pressure situations. Power arms generally play well in the playoffs. If he can handle the jump, his 95-97 mph fastball could come in handy situationally come October.


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[Reuben]

Josh Donaldson might be the highest-profile guy who would be a plausible August trade candidate. Not that the Astros would be very interested in a 3B, but some team probably will.

[jbm]

That's an interesting name, if Correa was to be out.  Is he still good?

[jbm]

Never mind, looks as if he's damaged goods.

[BUWebguy]

Never mind, looks as if he's damaged goods.

Yep -- 32 years old, batting .234/.333/.423, and on the DL until sometime next month. Has only appeared in 36 games this year (and just 113 last year). Oh, and making $23 million this year in the final year of his contract.

[toddthebod]

In terms of relievers, I'm wondering if anyone has seen Seunghwan Oh pitch this season.  His numbers are pretty good and he does have closer experience.  And he's controllable for next season (if that's of interest to Luhnow).

I can't believe that the Jays would demand that much in return. 

[doyce7]

I for one would not be apposed to betting on Donaldson not being done just yet, for the right price of course. I doubt the money is really a concern for the last 2 months of the season and the injury could maybe let you have him at a low cost.

ETA - I would mostly DH him to lower the chance of reinjury

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[Reuben]

Yep -- 32 years old, batting .234/.333/.423, and on the DL until sometime next month. Has only appeared in 36 games this year (and just 113 last year). Oh, and making $23 million this year in the final year of his contract.

Hence why he would pass through waivers in August, and thus be available to a contender via trade. The Jays would probably pick up some salary in exchange for a sweeter prospect package.

But yeah, first he has to make it back on the field and show something.

[Nate Colbert]

In terms of relievers, I'm wondering if anyone has seen Seunghwan Oh pitch this season.  His numbers are pretty good and he does have closer experience.  And he's controllable for next season (if that's of interest to Luhnow).

I can't believe that the Jays would demand that much in return.

Just traded to the Rockies apparently.

[Nate Colbert]

JA Happ to the Yankees.

[BlownRanger]

JA Happ to the Yankees.

Why do I think this has Sonny Gray Redux written all over it?

[moriartp]

Why do I think this has Sonny Gray Redux written all over it?

From your lips to the BBGs' ears.

[doyce7]

The Nats are expected to decide whether to sell or not by the end of the weekend. If I was luhnow I'd take a hard look at Kelvin Herrera. He'd be a really good addition to the pen, has postseason experience and can close.

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[JimR]

The Nats are expected to decide whether to sell or not by the end of the weekend. If I was luhnow I'd take a hard look at Kelvin Herrera. He'd be a really good addition to the pen, has postseason experience and can close.

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Yes, please

[hostros7]

Why do I think this has Sonny Gray Redux written all over it?

JA beat the Astros in his only start against them this season.


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[JimR]

JA beat the Astros in his only start against them this season.


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Did he or did the pen implode with a lead? My memory is fuzzy.

[BUWebguy]

Did he or did the pen implode with a lead? My memory is fuzzy.

Happ vs. Astros on June 25: 6 IP, 7 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 4 K.

Got the win when Toronto scratched across a 4th run off Verlander in the top of the 7th. Harris then gave up 2 more runs in the 8th to make it a 6-3 loss.

[Lefty]

Did he or did the pen implode with a lead? My memory is fuzzy.

He left after 6 in a 3-3 game.  Verlander gave up a solo shot with 2 outs in the top 7 and Harris a 2-out 2-run HR in the 8th.  6-3 final.

[Jacksonian]

If Luhnow adds a bat I'm betting it's McCutchen.

[Sambito Redux]

Besides the whole fracus with the redbirds, any shot at guy like Matt Carpenter?

[jbm]

If Luhnow adds a bat I'm betting it's McCutchen.

McCutchen?  Always liked the guy, but isn't SF still sort of in the hunt?

[Jacksonian]

McCutchen?  Always liked the guy, but isn't SF still sort of in the hunt?

They’re a .500 team.  Are their chances realistic for either their division or the wildcard?  There’s a lot of teams to pass.

[JimR]

Can we get Herrera? Please.

[geezerdonk]

I'm all for Herrera to replace Harris. He has a strong playoff record. Washington is a playoff long shot. I would think that he is available.   

[jaklewein]

Herrera plus Doolittle please.  I know the latter is on the shelf but he should be fine by September.

[homer]

Hamels to the Cubs

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Hamels to the Cubs

It'll be interesting to see if change of scenery does anything.  He's been lit up lately.

Hope he's glad he nixed the trade to Houston in 2015.

[austro]

Hope he's glad he nixed the trade to Houston in 2015.

I don't know if he is, but I am. He seems like a bit of a prick.

[juliogotay]

I don't know if he is, but I am. He seems like a bit of a prick.

I don't think he is a prick. He chose Arlington because his wife has a life-long friend there and preferred it. And then there is this   https://www.mlb.com/news/rangers-cole-hamels-donates-house-to-charity/c-263734826

[Knoxbanedoodle]

Herrera plus Doolittle please.  I know the latter is on the shelf but he should be fine by September.

I have a man-crush on Doolittle.

[Nate Colbert]

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 30 minutes ago
Virtually every contender expressing trade interest in #Twins RH reliever Ryan Pressly, compelling MIN to at least listen, sources tell The Athletic. Pressly earning $1.6M, under control thru ‘19. Second-highest spin rate in majors (min 50 PAs), 69Ks, 19 BBs, 3.40 ERA, 47.2 IP.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

How about Pirate lefty Felipe Vazquez?

[jaklewein]

How about Pirate lefty Felipe Vazquez?

Yeah, I saw him too.  Controllable through 2022 so will probably cost a lot, NTTAWWT.  Also, PIT is still in the WC race and given that they just got done sending McCutchen and Cole packing, not sure they'd want to go there again with the fan base. 

[HudsonHawk]

I don't think he is a prick. He chose Arlington because his wife has a life-long friend there and preferred it. And then there is this   https://www.mlb.com/news/rangers-cole-hamels-donates-house-to-charity/c-263734826

Fuck Hamels. He said he didn’t think the Astros would be contenders in the next few years (2016-2020) and didn’t want to suffer such a losing organization. Not saying that makes him a prick, but...

[JimR]

How about Pirate lefty Felipe Vazquez?

I thought about him too after seeing him in the ASG, but I know absolutely nothing about him. My hope #1 is Luhnow’s getting Herrera when/if Washington decides to be a seller.

[BudGirl]

Fuck Hamels. He said he didn’t think the Astros would be contenders in the next few years (2016-2020) and didn’t want to suffer such a losing organization. Not saying that makes him a prick, but...

Hamels was right though.  The Astros weren't contenders - they are winners.

[Snuffy]

Hamels was right though.  The Astros weren't contenders - they are winners.

+1

[Astros Fan in Big D]

I don't think he is a prick. He chose Arlington because his wife has a life-long friend there and preferred it. And then there is this   https://www.mlb.com/news/rangers-cole-hamels-donates-house-to-charity/c-263734826

That decision was all Mr. Hamels, not Mrs. Hamels.  There was something he didn't like about the Astros, and he nixed it. Maybe he was one of the union guys who didn't like that totally unfair,  lowball contract the Astros forced Singleton to sign (poor guy, thinking for himself).  Maybe he's afraid of math.  But the Astros were in first when he blocked the trade,  so I don't buy the contender angle either.

I usually think of him when I read baseball people praising the  organization in general and the pitching program in particular.

Anyway,  glad he is charitable,  but as a fan screw him.

[Reuben]

I thought about him too after seeing him in the ASG, but I know absolutely nothing about him. My hope #1 is Luhnow’s getting Herrera when/if Washington decides to be a seller.

I feel like if they really wanted Herrera they would’ve made KC a better offer than the Nats did.

[HudsonHawk]

...But the Astros were in first when he blocked the trade,  so I don't buy the contender angle either.

He said something to the effect of “yeah, the Astros are in first place now, but it’s not about just this season, I want to be with a team committed to winning over the next five seasons not just one . The Rangers have proven they’re  an organization committed to winning long-term”.

Looking back I’m so glad they didn’t land that twat.

[Jacksonian]

I feel like if they really wanted Herrera they would’ve made KC a better offer than the Nats did.

Not if Luhnow didn’t think he was worth the price.  Perhaps Washington would sell for less in Luhnow’s eyes.

[doyce7]

I feel like if they really wanted Herrera they would’ve made KC a better offer than the Nats did.

The nats were desperate when they made that trade. If they decide to sell, they'll be desperate to move him.

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[hostros7]

Per Passan, Brett Phillips is moved in a deal for Moustakas:

Source confirms that Mike Moustakas is headed to Milwaukee for Brett Phillips and Jorge Lopez. A big price for the Brewers to pay and quite a haul for Kansas City.


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[MusicMan]

Per Passan, Brett Phillips is moved in a deal for Moustakas:

Source confirms that Mike Moustakas is headed to Milwaukee for Brett Phillips and Jorge Lopez. A big price for the Brewers to pay and quite a haul for Kansas City.


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Now THIS is an overpay.


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[TerryPuhl21]

Now THIS is an overpay.


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You could say that. Then again, the Brewers have too many outfielders and I just read something about how Lopez has really taken a step backwards in their system. If true, they gave up an extra OF that will have a hard time getting regular playing time for a pretty good bat which they need. Probably a good deal for the Brewers but they need a pitcher as well. Look for them to perhaps get Kyle Gibson from the Twins, who just shutdown Boston in Fenway 2 nights ago.


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[Astros Fan in Big D]

Saw this stat on Twitter, found it kind blowing:

In 1077 plate appearances, Joey Gallo has zero career sac flies.

Supposedly Cleveland and Atlanta have made inquiries about him.

[Reuben]

You could say that. Then again, the Brewers have too many outfielders and I just read something about how Lopez has really taken a step backwards in their system. If true, they gave up an extra OF that will have a hard time getting regular playing time for a pretty good bat which they need. Probably a good deal for the Brewers but they need a pitcher as well. Look for them to perhaps get Kyle Gibson from the Twins, who just shutdown Boston in Fenway 2 nights ago.


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It seems like an overpay because a) Mousse Tacos ain’t all that, and b) as a result, they will move their regular 3B, Shaw, to 2B where he has never played professionally.

[JimR]

Anybody want to speculate about available bats? Ideally, he would be a LH or switch hitter.

[TerryPuhl21]

It seems like an overpay because a) Mousse Tacos ain’t all that, and b) as a result, they will move their regular 3B, Shaw, to 2B where he has never played professionally.

The move of Shaw to second would concern me too if I was a Brewers fan. Will be interesting to see how that plays out. As for Moustakas, well, a guy hitting .250 with 20 HR’s and 62 RBI’s in today’s game of swing and miss isn’t too bad and he is going to a very hitter friendly park. That, along with decent bats in the lineup to protect him and he could end up pretty close to the 38 HR total from last year. They still need a pitcher but hard to see how this doesn’t help them, at least offensively.


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[TerryPuhl21]

Anybody want to speculate about available bats? Ideally, he would be a LH or switch hitter.

Well, it seems to me as though there aren’t many good ones available. Here are some I looked at that are intriguing. But the cost would be very high in some cases.

Wil Myers
Adam Jones
Jose Abreu
Eddie Rosario
Nick Castellanos
Derek Dietrich
Matt Adams
Matt Carpenter

Now I’m not saying I want all of those so don’t kill me for that list. Just some guys I looked at who MAY be available. Of course not all of them are outfielders.

I really like Rosario but doubt you could pry him away. He’s cheap and has many years of control. If I were the Twins I would want at least Alvarez and 2 more very good prospects.


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[JimR]

Well, it seems to me as though there aren’t many good ones available. Here are some I looked at that are intriguing. But the cost would be very high in some cases.

Wil Myers
Adam Jones
Jose Abreu
Eddie Rosario
Derek Dietrich
Matt Adams
Matt Carpenter

Now I’m not saying I want all of those so don’t kill me for that list. Just some guys I looked at who MAY be available. Of course not all of them are outfielders.

I really like Rosario but doubt you could pry him away. He’s cheap and has many years of control. If I were the Twins I would want at least Alvarez and 2 more very good prospects.


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We know the Astros have liked Abreu for a very long time. No comment about the rest of them simply because I am clueless.

ETA: I do not want to help the Rangers, but Choo would help our offense, imo.

[doyce7]

Well, it seems to me as though there aren’t many good ones available. Here are some I looked at that are intriguing. But the cost would be very high in some cases.

Wil Myers
Adam Jones
Jose Abreu
Eddie Rosario
Nick Castellanos
Derek Dietrich
Matt Adams
Matt Carpenter

Now I’m not saying I want all of those so don’t kill me for that list. Just some guys I looked at who MAY be available. Of course not all of them are outfielders.

I really like Rosario but doubt you could pry him away. He’s cheap and has many years of control. If I were the Twins I would want at least Alvarez and 2 more very good prospects.


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I would take matt carpenter in a heartbeat but he certainly wouldn't come cheap

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[TerryPuhl21]

Well, it seems to me as though there aren’t many good ones available. Here are some I looked at that are intriguing. But the cost would be very high in some cases.

Wil Myers
Adam Jones
Jose Abreu
Eddie Rosario
Nick Castellanos
Derek Dietrich
Matt Adams
Matt Carpenter

Now I’m not saying I want all of those so don’t kill me for that list. Just some guys I looked at who MAY be available. Of course not all of them are outfielders.

I really like Rosario but doubt you could pry him away. He’s cheap and has many years of control. If I were the Twins I would want at least Alvarez and 2 more very good prospects.


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I will amend this and add one more name.

Joe Mauer

His best days are behind him and there is no pop in his bat anymore. Just 3 HR’s this year but hitting in MMP might get him a few more. Overall he is having a good year and puts the ball in play. Strikeout rate is only 14%. You would sacrifice home runs but if you put him at DH instead of Gattis he will put the ball in play a whole lot more and I like that he bats lefty. He also would be very cheap since he is in walk year and if you picked up the rest of his salary, you might get him for a dozen balls. I really like him and another contact hitter in the lineup would help.


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[JimR]

I will amend this and add one more name.

Joe Mauer

His best days are behind him and there is no pop in his bat anymore. Just 3 HR’s this year but hitting in MMP might get him a few more. Overall he is having a good year and puts the ball in play. Strikeout rate is only 14%. You would sacrifice home runs but if you put him at DH instead of Gattis he will put the ball in play a whole lot more and I like that he bats lefty. He also would be very cheap since he is in walk year and if you picked up the rest of his salary, you might get him for a dozen balls. I really like him and another contact hitter in the lineup would help.


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The first sentence disqualifies him for me.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Choo would be a very nice addition.  But I agree that the odds of the 2 front offices exchanging anything other than prank calls is low.

[TerryPuhl21]

The first sentence disqualifies him for me.

Understandable.......just a thought. I don’t think anyone we acquire will be a long term piece because of what it would take to acquire them. If you are looking for someone who’s cheap and who can hit you could do a lot worse than Mauer. In fact, we have a few performing worse the Mauer now. But of course there are better options out there potentially.


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[JimR]

Choo would be a very nice addition.  But I agree that the odds of the 2 front offices exchanging anything other than prank calls is low.

The Astros tried very hard to sign him in his FA year so they liked him once. I don’t want to make them better, though. Three way trade with a team which can get him?

[HudsonHawk]

I would take matt carpenter in a heartbeat but he certainly wouldn't come cheap

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Cardinal fans are ready to move him, don’t know about front office though. Speculation is it would take Giles and an outfielder...Fisher maybe, and we’d have to take Bud Norris off their hands too. I’d do that deal in a heartbeat.

[JimR]

Cardinal fans are ready to move him, don’t know about f not office though. Speculation is it would take Giles and an outfielder...Fisher maybe, and we’d have to take Bud Norris off their hands too. I’d do that deal in a heartbeat.

If we did that deal, someone will need to tell Norris to STFU. Giles and Fisher for them would be great.

[HudsonHawk]

If we did that deal, someone will need to tell Norris to STFU. Giles and Fisher for them would be great.

Yeah, Norris ould have to play well with others, but if he did he could be a solid bullpen guy. I’m fine losing Giles and Fisher is a guy who’s getting squeezed out anyway. Carpenter could be that spare infield bat the Astros really need for the stretch.

[TerryPuhl21]

If we did that deal, someone will need to tell Norris to STFU. Giles and Fisher for them would be great.

JV could get him in line....


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[doyce7]

Cardinal fans are ready to move him, don’t know about front office though. Speculation is it would take Giles and an outfielder...Fisher maybe, and we’d have to take Bud Norris off their hands too. I’d do that deal in a heartbeat.

Bud Norris would LOVE that

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[JimR]

Of course, the Yankees now are in on Archer. Fuck them.

[moriartp]

Saw this stat on Twitter, found it kind blowing:

In 1077 plate appearances, Joey Gallo has zero career sac flies.

Supposedly Cleveland and Atlanta have made inquiries about him.

As much as he hits the ball in the air, that is astounding.

[geezerdonk]

Giles had a very poor outing last night.

[Jacksonian]

Yeah, Norris ould have to play well with others, but if he did he could be a solid bullpen guy. I’m fine losing Giles and Fisher is a guy who’s getting squeezed out anyway. Carpenter could be that spare infield bat the Astros really need for the stretch.

That still doesn’t address the gaping hole in left field.

[DVauthrin]

Well, it seems to me as though there aren’t many good ones available. Here are some I looked at that are intriguing. But the cost would be very high in some cases.

Wil Myers
Adam Jones
Jose Abreu
Eddie Rosario
Nick Castellanos
Derek Dietrich
Matt Adams
Matt Carpenter

Now I’m not saying I want all of those so don’t kill me for that list. Just some guys I looked at who MAY be available. Of course not all of them are outfielders.

I really like Rosario but doubt you could pry him away. He’s cheap and has many years of control. If I were the Twins I would want at least Alvarez and 2 more very good prospects.


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Don’t forget about Jose Martinez in St. Louis.  He’s a very good hitter that needs to be on an American League team where he can DH.  Also, he’s controllable through the 2023 season, and the Cardinals have phased him out of their lineup due to his poor defense at first and the outfield.

[austro]

That still doesn’t address the gaping hole in left field.

I was wondering about Alex Gordon, who would definitely let them put a plus defensive outfield out there. But he's hitting much worse than I realized (.233 BA,  .642 OPS), he's 34, and worst, he's getting $18M/yr through 2019. KC might let him go relatively cheaply if you're willing to eat the contract, but it doesn't seem like the production is there anymore. I have a soft spot for him for the way he and the rest of the KC team just kept applying pressure to opposing defenses during their WS years.

[DVauthrin]

I was wondering about Alex Gordon, who would definitely let them put a plus defensive outfield out there. But he's hitting much worse than I realized (.233 BA,  .642 OPS), he's 34, and worst, he's getting $18M/yr through 2019. KC might let him go relatively cheaply if you're willing to eat the contract, but it doesn't seem like the production is there anymore. I have a soft spot for him for the way he and the rest of the KC team just kept applying pressure to opposing defenses during their WS years.

The more interesting Royal would be Whit Merrifield.  He’s hitting over .300 with 21 steals, and has seen time in the outfield this year.  He’s also controllable through 2022.  But the Royals GM came out earlier this week and said they aren’t trading him.

[JimR]

That still doesn’t address the gaping hole in left field.

I do not think it is gaping when Kemp plays, and if Tucker.... I get it, though, we need more run production especially now with Altuve and Correa out.

[JimR]

I was wondering about Alex Gordon, who would definitely let them put a plus defensive outfield out there. But he's hitting much worse than I realized (.233 BA,  .642 OPS), he's 34, and worst, he's getting $18M/yr through 2019. KC might let him go relatively cheaply if you're willing to eat the contract, but it doesn't seem like the production is there anymore. I have a soft spot for him for the way he and the rest of the KC team just kept applying pressure to opposing defenses during their WS years.

Yeah, a young Beltran would be great too. I love Gordon, but those stats say no.

[Jacksonian]

I do not think it is gaping when Kemp plays, and if Tucker.... I get it, though, we need more run production especially now with Altuve and Correa out.

I believe Hinch and Luhnow don’t see Kemp as an everyday player, especially at one position.

[JimR]

I believe Hinch and Luhnow don’t see Kemp as an everyday player, especially at one position.

I do not presume to know what Luhnow thinks, but Hinch goes out of his way to praise Kemp, and he hits in the 9 hole. Tucker needs to play, though, if they are going to be patient with him.

[Jacksonian]

I do not presume to know what Luhnow thinks, but Hinch goes out of his way to praise Kemp, and he hits in the 9 hole. Tucker needs to play, though, if they are going to be patient with him.

My statement was based on his usage and the Tucker promotion.

[JimR]

My statement was based on his usage and the Tucker promotion.

I do not think that has much to do with Kemp. They need to see if he is ready and will hit. If he does, of course Kemp becomes a part-timer.

[TerryPuhl21]

Giles had a very poor outing last night.

Just how bad was it??


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[Astros Fan in Big D]

Just how bad was it??


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1 IP, 3 H, 4 R, 1 K, 1 BB

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2018_07_27_omaaaa_freaaa_1&t=g_box&sid=t259

It wasn't a save situation so it doesn't count.

[juliogotay]

I do not presume to know what Luhnow thinks, but Hinch goes out of his way to praise Kemp, and he hits in the 9 hole. Tucker needs to play, though, if they are going to be patient with him.

Tucker in LF and the 9-hole tonite.

[TerryPuhl21]

Tucker in LF and the 9-hole tonite.

And Altuve is still out....


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[Fredia]

first time for altuve to be out like this. scary times

[jaklewein]

first time for altuve to be out like this. scary times

No doubt! 

[austro]

Watching Cubs-Cards right now. I'd trade for this Hudson kid in a heartbeat.

[juliogotay]

first time for altuve to be out like this. scary times

I'm not scared.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Here's 1:13 of Altuve answering questions today.

Says he feels better,  gonna let the bosses decide when he returns, etc.

https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1023306193731821568?s=19

[jaklewein]

Thanks for posting. Feel better already.

[jaklewein]

I'm not scared.

 Kiss of death. Altuve to 10 day DL.

[jaklewein]

Awfully quiet out there. 

[MusicMan]

This is... unexpected.

Jerry  Crasnick
@jcrasnick

One intriguing turnaround candidate: The #Astros Jake Marisnick. He's on the #Indians radar. But he's hitting .192, and Jeff Luhnow isn't going to just give him away -- especially to a team that Houston could face in October.

[mrpink]

Cardinal fans are ready to move him, don’t know about front office though. Speculation is it would take Giles and an outfielder...Fisher maybe, and we’d have to take Bud Norris off their hands too. I’d do that deal in a heartbeat.

Why do you say fans are ready to move him?  He's been the best hitter in baseball over the past two and a half months.  Is there a non-baseball reason?

[JimR]

This is... unexpected.

Jake for Ramirez straight up.

[MusicMan]

Jake for Ramirez straight up.

We need coverage for Correa too. Throw in Giles and they’ll give us Lindor.


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[HudsonHawk]

Why do you say fans are ready to move him?  He's been the best hitter in baseball over the past two and a half months.  Is there a non-baseball reason?

Because he's having a career year at age 33, and they want to sell high.

[JimR]

We need coverage for Correa too. Throw in Giles and they’ll give us Lindor.


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Lindor and cash.

[mrpink]

Because he's having a career year at age 33, and they want to sell high.

Gotcha, those are pragmatic fans. 

Were I a Co-Ard fan I would (after asking the Lord for forgiveness for following them) be pretty upset at a Carpenter trade.  I think Carpenter's terrific and a huge bargain.  Maybe not 8 home runs in 6 games terrific, but terrific nonetheless.

[MusicMan]

Preston Tucker heads to the Reds as part of a package for Adam Duvall.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Kinsler to the Bosox.

[Jacksonian]

I hope there’s enough talent left in the system that Luhnow is willing to give up that can land a big league hitter.

[Mr. Happy]

The God damn Yankmees picked up Lance Lynn from the Twins.

[Lefty]

I hope there’s enough talent left in the system that Luhnow is willing to give up that can land a big league hitter.

You know he's got something in the works, up his sleeve...right?

[Fynn]

I hope there’s enough talent left in the system that Luhnow is willing to give up that can land a big league hitter.

I doubt the REAL Ted Williams could make any difference with this team right now.  They are going through a funk right now.  They will come out of it, and hopefully not before its too late to at least salvage a wild card spot.

[Fredia]

 with all these changes its like the family has been disrupted. (yes i know they are all pros but a lot of press and talk was about how well everyone got along)

[MusicMan]

The God damn Yankmees picked up Lance Lynn from the Twins.

Color me unimpressed. I’ll certainly take my chances facing Lynn and Happ.


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[MusicMan]

Rosenthal:

At least three AL contenders - #Astros, #Indians, #Yankees - expected to add a bat today. #Athletics, #Red Sox in play for relievers. #Mariners, as always, capable of anything.

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[Mr. Happy]

Color me unimpressed. I’ll certainly take my chances facing Lynn and Happ.


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I agree. The Yankees seem to have an endless supply of prospects these days.

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[hostros7]

Tommy Pham heads to the Rays for three prospects and some international money.


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[Bench]

Tommy Pham heads to the Rays for three prospects and some international money.


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That's a weird deadline deal.

[hostros7]

That's a weird deadline deal.

Shitbird fans are quite perplexed according to the internet, particularly because the prospect haul is fairly mediocre based on the public rankings.




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[DVauthrin]

I doubt the REAL Ted Williams could make any difference with this team right now.  They are going through a funk right now.  They will come out of it, and hopefully not before its too late to at least salvage a wild card spot.

Even if Correa, Altuve and McCann were healthy, the Astros could use another bat.  Marwin has no business playing every day, Reddick has regressed this season, and Gattis runs very hot and cold at DH.

[hostros7]

It’s a shame Votto’s contract is nearly Pujols-ian.


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[BUWebguy]

Tommy Pham heads to the Rays for three prospects and some international money.

Rosenthal says the Astros "had been in on Pham":
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1024306902803603457

[hostros7]

Ziegler to the snakes. The Astros were rumored to be interested as well


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[MusicMan]

Ziegler to the snakes. The Astros were rumored to be interested as well


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What if we built the whole team out of bullpen?


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[moriartp]

Rosenthal says the Astros "had been in on Pham":
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1024306902803603457

Adding another starting-quality outfielder under team control would have created some interesting roster questions.

[MusicMan]

Jon Morosi says Astros discussing Adrian Beltre. (?!?!)


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[chuck]

Jon Morosi says Astros discussing Adrian Beltre. (?!?!)

I'm all for it if only to annoy Lance Berkman.

[Knoxbanedoodle]

I'm all for it if only to annoy Lance Berkman.

Doesn’t bode well for Correa.

[MusicMan]

This is... unexpected.

Rule out Marisnick to Tribe. They got Leonys Martin for CF.


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[jaklewein]

Doesn’t bode well for Correa.

Sounds like Correa is coming along fine...actually makes me worry about Altuve as I'm sure Bregman could move to 2B fairly easily?

[Nate Colbert]

Jon Morosi says Astros discussing Adrian Beltre. (?!?!)


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Was that on twitter?

ETA:
Never mind. I found the Morosi tweet from yesterday:

Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 21 hours ago
Sources: #Rangers, #Braves have discussed Adrian Beltre in trade talks; extent of progress is unclear. @Sullivan_Ranger reports Beltre is more inclined to approve deals to #RedSox, #Astros and possibly #Indians.

[MusicMan]

Sounds like Correa is coming along fine...actually makes me worry about Altuve as I'm sure Bregman could move to 2B fairly easily?

Yes, via MLBTR


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[doyce7]

The report said something along the lines that Beltre would be more inclined to accept a trade with the Astros. Not that the Astros are looking into Beltre

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[DVauthrin]

Sounds like Correa is coming along fine...actually makes me worry about Altuve as I'm sure Bregman could move to 2B fairly easily?

For the rest of the season, Beltre would be a better DH than Evan Gattis. 

[MusicMan]

The report said something along the lines that Beltre would be more inclined to accept a trade with the Astros. Not that the Astros are looking into Beltre

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Thanks, that makes more sense.


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[Astros Fan in Big D]

What if we built the whole team out of bullpen?


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Don't be ridiculous.

We also have half a dozen first basemen.

[Jacksonian]

Maybin to the Mariners.

[moriartp]

Archer to Pittsburgh, Gausman to Atlanta, and Dozier's a Dojer.

[MusicMan]

Archer to Pittsburgh, Gausman to Atlanta, and Dozier's a Dojer.

I don’t think many people would have predicted a Dozier-Machado keystone for the Dodgers before the season.


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[Mr. Happy]

I don’t think many people would have predicted a Dozier-Machado keystone for the Dodgers before the season.


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They can print money.

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[Waldo]

For the rest of the season, Beltre would be a better DH than Evan Gattis.

I have often wondered if the Astros could go after Beltre to DH.  His power has dropped off quite a bit this year, but maybe he'd have an easier time staying healthy as a DH.

[doyce7]

Well, unless a deal has happened really quietly, Astros will have to wait a week or so to add a bat.

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[chuck]

So, no Harper? That's too bad. I was hoping for a Summer's Eve at the Ballpark promo at some point. Oh well.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

I have often wondered if the Astros could go after Beltre to DH.  His power has dropped off quite a bit this year, but maybe he'd have an easier time staying healthy as a DH.

Me too.

Beltre can still expand the hitting zone beyond the strike zone making him a tough out.

He's had a hard time staying healthy the past 2 seasons. 94 G last year,  74 so far this year.

All a moot point now I guess.

[moriartp]

McTaggart says no more moves.

[TerryPuhl21]

REALLY disappointed we didn’t get a bat.


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[doyce7]

REALLY disappointed we didn’t get a bat.


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I'm sure there will be more moves, just have to wait a few more days

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[jaklewein]

REALLY disappointed we didn’t get a bat.


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I'm not.  There is still a month to find one that passes through waivers.  Plus there is still a chance that Tucker comes around.  Bullpen was the most pressing need on this team.  Luhnow did a pretty good job shoring that up.  I'm just happy the Yankees were unable to upgrade their rotation with a legit ace (i.e. DeGromm, etc.)

[BizidyDizidy]

Isn't it kind of funny the Pirates traded Cole then turn around and trade for Archer

[Nate Colbert]

Isn't it kind of funny the Pirates traded Cole then turn around and trade for Archer

Cole is a FA after next season. Archer is controlled thru the 2021 season. That would be a big deal for the Pirates.

[Alkie]

The Yankees rotation got worse.

Instead of getting two more Luis Severinos, they got two more Sonny Grays.

[toddthebod]

I'm not.  There is still a month to find one that passes through waivers.  Plus there is still a chance that Tucker comes around.  Bullpen was the most pressing need on this team.  Luhnow did a pretty good job shoring that up.  I'm just happy the Yankees were unable to upgrade their rotation with a legit ace (i.e. DeGromm, etc.)

Hard for Tucker to come around when the team doesn't start him.  Astros need to just stick him in left and leave him alone. 

[toddthebod]

I'm not.  There is still a month to find one that passes through waivers. 

I think the Astros decided that they have the hitters on the team already -- recent performance notwithstanding.

[TerryPuhl21]

Hard for Tucker to come around when the team doesn't start him.  Astros need to just stick him in left and leave him alone.

I agree. With both Correa and Altuve out of the lineup, would like to see Kemp play some second, Gonzalez play short and Tucker should be playing in left.


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[TerryPuhl21]

I think the Astros decided that they have the hitters on the team already -- recent performance notwithstanding.

You are probably correct. The only problem is, I do not see some of our hitters reverting back to last year‘s form all of the sudden. Especially Reddick and Gonzalez. I have always believed in the adage that good pitching stops good hitting. Let’s hope that holds true the rest of the season.


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[Jacksonian]

You are probably correct. The only problem is, I do not see some of our hitters reverting back to last year‘s form all of the sudden. Especially Reddick and Gonzalez. I have always believed in the adage that good pitching stops good hitting. Let’s hope that holds true the rest of the season.


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Both of those players had career years last year.  Neither is going to that this year.  But neither is hitting to their career averages either.  If Reddick, Gonzalez, and Springer, and Correa (when he returns) would just hit to their average selves the offense would be much better.

[TerryPuhl21]

Both of those players had career years last year.  Neither is going to that this year.  But neither is hitting to their career averages either.  If Reddick, Gonzalez, and Springer, and Correa (when he returns) would just hit to their average selves the offense would be much better.

Oh I agree. I said before the season started that to expect some of these players to repeat those performances was a pipe dream. The problem is their underperformance is so drastic. That’s why I really wanted a move for a bat. Yeah, we can still get one, but it is doubtful an impact bat passes thru waivers. Then again, not sure there was a REAL impact bat available.


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[austro]

My hope was that they were working a behind-the-scenes deal for Rendon. It would jam up the infield if Correa is actually coming back, but I'll bet Bregman could play LF without any drop-off from the folks we've been trotting out there.

[Nate Colbert]

A's acquire 41 year old Fernando Rodney.

[austro]

A's acquire 41 year old Fernando Rodney.

That green and yellow cap is going to look extra goofy at that odd angle.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Beltre pulled a hammy running the bases last night.

That'll probably end any trade possibility to a contender,  and that may be it for the career.   Hopefully he'll get back for at least a few games this season.

[Nate Colbert]

Buster Olney  @Buster_ESPN 6m
Source: Yankees on the verge of a deal for Andrew McCuthchen.

[austro]

Buster Olney  @Buster_ESPN 6m
Source: Yankees on the verge of a deal for Andrew McCuthchen.

Seems.... unnecessary. What they really need is starting pitching. I guess this may allow them to move an outfielder to 1B to improve that situation.

[JimR]

Wonder if we are in on anyone. Harris needs to stop pitching.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Wonder if we are in on anyone. Harris needs to stop pitching.

Or at least never pitch with inherited runners.

[TerryPuhl21]

Seems.... unnecessary. What they really need is starting pitching. I guess this may allow them to move an outfielder to 1B to improve that situation.

This is protection for Judge. There are starting to be serious concerns about if, or even when, Judge will return this season. His recovery isn’t going well. Forget who it was, but someone on MLB Radio was at Yankee Stadium and saw Judge working out. This was 2 or 3 days ago. He said Judge didn’t look anywhere close to being ready and he said the Yankees were “concerned.” That’s why this deal was made. There was even more talk about Judge and his questionable status this morning. Very little risk involved for the Yankees.


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[Reuben]

The Cleveland Subcontinentals traded for Josh Donaldson.

[juliogotay]

The Cleveland Subcontinentals traded for Josh Donaldson.

Reportedly the Astros did enter into the conversation regarding Donaldson as well as several other clubs.