Author Topic: “We will get a closer” (Read 13628 times)

TerryPuhl21 · « **on:** July 17, 2018, 05:04:33 pm »

From the take it for what it’s worth department, Jim Bowden just said on the air that Jeff Luhnow told him “I won’t let AJ down again, we will get a closer.”

Gonna be interesting. Hope that C Perez isn’t in a deal.

My money is on Britton or Iglesias. I think the sticker on Hand will be too high.

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TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 17, 2018, 05:05:50 pm »

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moriartp · « **Reply #2 on:** July 17, 2018, 06:20:36 pm »

Huh. I don't think I've ever heard Luhnow make that direct a statement about a future move.

doyce7 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 17, 2018, 07:10:26 pm »

Quote from: moriartp on July 17, 2018, 06:20:36 pm

Huh. I don't think I've ever heard Luhnow make that direct a statement about a future move.

I can basically say with 100% certainty that he made no such statement. Bowden basically just pulls shit out of his ass, throws it at the wall and hope it sticks.

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MusicMan · « **Reply #4 on:** July 17, 2018, 09:34:35 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on July 17, 2018, 07:10:26 pm

I can basically say with 100% certainty that he made no such statement. Bowden basically just pulls shit out of his ass, throws it at the wall and hope it sticks.

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Luhnow has previously been quoted saying “I won’t make AJ go through the playoffs without a closer again.”

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BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #5 on:** July 17, 2018, 10:50:29 pm »

Is Rondon a closer?

JimR · « **Reply #6 on:** July 18, 2018, 07:29:12 am »

Quote from: BizidyDizidy on July 17, 2018, 10:50:29 pm

Is Rondon a closer?

Yep.

Reuben · « **Reply #7 on:** July 18, 2018, 09:03:58 am »

Rondon doesn’t seem like he quite terrifies opposing hitters, but he has certainly gotten the job done. And I doubt the name “Blake Treinen” makes them piss themselves either.

I’d be happy if they add a Closer, but I’d be fine if they stuck with Rondon, too.

BudGirl · « **Reply #8 on:** July 18, 2018, 09:05:34 am »

I just want a strong bullpen. Then again, I don't care when they pitch, I just want them to get outs.

toddthebod · « **Reply #9 on:** July 18, 2018, 09:16:02 am »

Quote from: Reuben on July 18, 2018, 09:03:58 am

And I doubt the name “Blake Treinen” makes them piss themselves either.

He's not Treinen. He's the witch. And that's badass.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/oakland-athletics-blake-treinen-witch-nasty-pitch-combo-plus-franklin-barreto-note-strikeouts/

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #10 on:** July 18, 2018, 09:38:52 am »

Apparently he doesn't like the witch nickname and so the ninja stopped using it.

Reuben · « **Reply #11 on:** July 18, 2018, 09:45:13 am »

Quote from: toddthebod on July 18, 2018, 09:16:02 am

He's not Treinen. He's the witch. And that's badass.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/oakland-athletics-blake-treinen-witch-nasty-pitch-combo-plus-franklin-barreto-note-strikeouts/

That trade was a pretty nice one for the A's. Doolittle and Madson are great, but they got back Treinen and Jesus Luzardo, a LH SP who's I think only 19 or 20 and already blowing guys away in AA - 2.54 ERA, FB hits 98. He went to Stoneham Douglas HS in Parkland, FL.

Lefty · « **Reply #12 on:** July 18, 2018, 05:03:16 pm »

Britton, please.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 18, 2018, 06:22:50 pm »

Quote from: Lefty on July 18, 2018, 05:03:16 pm

Britton, please.

Now that Manny has been dealt the Orioles can devote there attention to moving Britton. Expect things to heat up quickly. He will probably be moved sooner rather than later.

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MusicMan · « **Reply #14 on:** July 18, 2018, 06:42:35 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on July 18, 2018, 06:22:50 pm

Now that Manny has been dealt the Orioles can devote there attention to moving Britton. Expect things to heat up quickly. He will probably be moved sooner rather than later.

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The Orioles never move sooner rather than later.

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TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 18, 2018, 06:50:13 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 18, 2018, 06:42:35 pm

The Orioles never move sooner rather than later.

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Well, the Orioles are the exception to normality. General consensus among most of the talking heads I’ve heard the last few days seem to think that value is going down as you get closer to the 31st, especially with guys like Machado and Britton because they are rentals. That’s why Baltimore wanted to move him by the all-star break. The offers may get worse for the Orioles the closer they get to the deadline because teams know the birds are running out of options if they want to get anything at all for them before they walk.

Last year I think Baltimore was interested in Fisher. If it were me, I’d offer Fisher and Giles and hope the O’s bite.

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Ty in Tampa · « **Reply #16 on:** July 19, 2018, 10:22:02 am »

It won’t be Brad Hand...

https://twitter.com/bnightengale/status/1019964174015741954?s=21

Texifornia · « **Reply #17 on:** July 19, 2018, 12:12:22 pm »

Quote from: Ty in Tampa on July 19, 2018, 10:22:02 am

It won’t be Brad Hand...

https://twitter.com/bnightengale/status/1019964174015741954?s=21

So...still no closer to a closer.

gundy315 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 19, 2018, 12:21:39 pm »

I wonder if the Astros have considered a package deal for both Britton and Adam Jones (also a rental). Jones would obviously cut into Tucker's ABs, but I'm not sure the Astros are ready to count on Tucker as part of a playoff squad just yet.

I have no idea what the return package would look like.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 19, 2018, 12:31:09 pm »

Quote from: gundy315 on July 19, 2018, 12:21:39 pm

I wonder if the Astros have considered a package deal for both Britton and Adam Jones (also a rental). Jones would obviously cut into Tucker's ABs, but I'm not sure the Astros are ready to count on Tucker as part of a playoff squad just yet.

I have no idea what the return package would look like.

I guess anything is possible but the remaining money on Jones’ contract for the rest of the year is significant, especially if you add Britton’s remaining money to this year’s books. I guess if the Orioles eat some it is possible but I think unlikely given Jones’ average performance. I’d rather have Kemp taking everyday at bats than Jones.

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doyce7 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 19, 2018, 01:21:33 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 17, 2018, 09:34:35 pm

Luhnow has previously been quoted saying “I won’t make AJ go through the playoffs without a closer again.”

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Well maybe I'm wrong and Luhnow did say that to Bowden. I just dont take any stock in what Bowden says

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Nate Colbert · « **Reply #21 on:** July 23, 2018, 11:22:23 am »

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 53m ago
#DBacks are yet another team on Britton, sources tell The Athletic - and #Orioles are familiar with their system from Machado talks that started last winter. #Astros heavy on Britton, as @JimBowdenGM said, with deeper farm system than many of other clubs involved.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #22 on:** July 23, 2018, 01:36:37 pm »

Quote from: Nate Colbert on July 23, 2018, 11:22:23 am

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 53m ago
#DBacks are yet another team on Britton, sources tell The Athletic - and #Orioles are familiar with their system from Machado talks that started last winter. #Astros heavy on Britton, as @JimBowdenGM said, with deeper farm system than many of other clubs involved.

Obviously I could be wrong, and we are talking about the Orioles here where sometimes reality gets suspended, but I think the Astros are the leader in the clubhouse for Britton and the O’s are just waiting to see if anyone will beat the offer.

I think the Astros are the most motivated to get Britton and I think the Astros can offer Baltimore the most in a package. Other teams may be willing to give a higher ranked single player but I think the Astros will win the deal with quality AND quantity of what they will give. I’ve heard Luhnow say a couple of times now that our system is blocked. We have guys at AAA who should be in the majors but can’t crack our lineup. They are blocked and in the process are blocking guys at AA who should be AAA players. I think this luxury will motivate and allow Houston to give 3 quality players for Britton rather than a high prospect and 2 who will most likely never play in the majors. I think it will be three players going for Britton and all three will be names we recognize from the list below.

Giles
JD Davis
Reed
Paulino
Tyler White
Fisher

No game today and I’m bored. Ready for something to get done if they are going to make a move.

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BudGirl · « **Reply #23 on:** July 23, 2018, 02:25:23 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on July 23, 2018, 01:36:37 pm

Obviously I could be wrong, and we are talking about the Orioles here where sometimes reality gets suspended, but I think the Astros are the leader in the clubhouse for Britton and the O’s are just waiting to see if anyone will beat the offer.

I think the Astros are the most motivated to get Britton and I think the Astros can offer Baltimore the most in a package. Other teams may be willing to give a higher ranked single player but I think the Astros will win the deal with quality AND quantity of what they will give. I’ve heard Luhnow say a couple of times now that our system is blocked. We have guys at AAA who should be in the majors but can’t crack our lineup. They are blocked and in the process are blocking guys at AA who should be AAA players. I think this luxury will motivate and allow Houston to give 3 quality players for Britton rather than a high prospect and 2 who will most likely never play in the majors. I think it will be three players going for Britton and all three will be names we recognize from the list below.

Giles
JD Davis
Reed
Paulino
Tyler White
Fisher

No game today and I’m bored. Ready for something to get done.

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Give me Britton and a low level prospect for all of them except Paulino.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 23, 2018, 02:29:28 pm »

Quote from: BudGirl on July 23, 2018, 02:25:23 pm

Give me Britton and a low level prospect for all of them except Paulino.

I’d sign up for that.

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MusicMan · « **Reply #25 on:** July 23, 2018, 02:30:39 pm »

Three of those players for less than half a season of a reliever recovering from injury who has not yet reestablished his level? Compare that to 4 equivalent players paid for two full seasons of Cole. Seems like a drastic overpay.

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Jacksonian · « **Reply #26 on:** July 23, 2018, 02:31:37 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 23, 2018, 02:30:39 pm

Three of those players for less than half a season of a reliever recovering from injury who has not yet reestablished his level? Compare that to 4 equivalent players paid for two full seasons of Cole. Seems like a drastic overpay.

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Yeah, I was thinking White for Britton straight up.

jbm · « **Reply #27 on:** July 23, 2018, 02:36:04 pm »

Yeah, I don't get the Britton love. Two years ago, sure, give up a lot. Now, not so much.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #28 on:** July 23, 2018, 02:55:37 pm »

Quote from: jbm on July 23, 2018, 02:36:04 pm

Yeah, I don't get the Britton love. Two years ago, sure, give up a lot. Now, not so much.

+1

jaklewein · « **Reply #29 on:** July 23, 2018, 03:00:32 pm »

Quote from: jbm on July 23, 2018, 02:36:04 pm

Yeah, I don't get the Britton love. Two years ago, sure, give up a lot. Now, not so much.

You all beating this drum....Please remember not to throw Luhnow under the bus if he doesn't get his man.

MusicMan · « **Reply #30 on:** July 23, 2018, 03:01:15 pm »

Quote from: jaklewein on July 23, 2018, 03:00:32 pm

You all beating this drum....Please remember not to throw Luhnow under the bus if he doesn't get his man.

Put me on record as content with standing pat.

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TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #31 on:** July 23, 2018, 03:14:55 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on July 23, 2018, 02:31:37 pm

Yeah, I was thinking White for Britton straight up.

Normally, I would think that for a rental this would suffice. However, besides Iglesias who would be way more expensive because of years of control, Britton is the best available and about 10 teams are probably trying to make a deal for him. That will drive up the price. It won’t be a one for one unless it is someone who is probably top 10 in the system, like Alvarez. Just my opinion.

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TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #32 on:** July 23, 2018, 03:19:53 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 23, 2018, 03:01:15 pm

Put me on record as content with standing pat.

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I’m not 100% sure that I want Britton either. My deal speculation above is just what I think may happen, not necessarily what I want to happen. I’m not so sure that we don’t need a bat more than a pitcher. The problem with a bat is who are you going to get and if you get them who sits?

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TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #33 on:** July 23, 2018, 03:22:15 pm »

Quote from: jaklewein on July 23, 2018, 03:00:32 pm

You all beating this drum....Please remember not to throw Luhnow under the bus if he doesn't get his man.

After years of watching Jeff build this team, it would be hard for me to throw him under a bus for any reason. He knows WAY more than I do and his track record speaks for itself. If no deal is made I will trust that Jeff felt it wasn’t best for the team.

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jaklewein · « **Reply #34 on:** July 23, 2018, 03:27:07 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on July 23, 2018, 03:22:15 pm

After years of watching Jeff build this team, it would be hard for me to throw him under a bus for any reason. He knows WAY more than I do and his track record speaks for itself. If no deal is made I will trust that Jeff felt it wasn’t best for the team.

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That's fine, but there were some around here bitching about bad trades he'd made only weeks after winning the World Series.

Lefty · « **Reply #35 on:** July 23, 2018, 03:28:11 pm »

Britton has looked very good the 4 times I watched him in the past couple of weeks. Velocity back, sinker sinking. Tons of weak ground balls.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #36 on:** July 23, 2018, 03:33:53 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 23, 2018, 03:01:15 pm

Put me on record as content with standing pat.

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Standing pat wouldn’t be a disaster but tough questions need to be asked and evaluated.

1. Would the Astros win a 7 game series right now against Boston, New York, Cleveland or Oakland/Seattle?

2. Is this bullpen, as currently constructed, good enough to shut down those lineups above, especially Boston or New York, in the late innings of a playoff game?

3. While our starting pitching is the best of the bunch, are our bats, as currently constructed, good enough to put runs on the board against the above teams when you won’t be facing anything but their 1 and 2 starters and perhaps their 3 only once in a series?

The answer to all of those questions may be yes. But you can expect all of those teams to make moves to better themselves prior to the deadline. Astros need to do the same if it makes sense. I trust Jeff either way.

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jbm · « **Reply #37 on:** July 23, 2018, 03:36:02 pm »

Quote from: jaklewein on July 23, 2018, 03:27:07 pm

That's fine, but there were some around here bitching about bad trades he'd made only weeks after winning the World Series.

I don't remember that, and I don't plan on bitching about Luhnow no matter what happens. I just don't highly value a guy that has been damaged most of the past two years.

BudGirl · « **Reply #38 on:** July 23, 2018, 03:36:50 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on July 23, 2018, 02:31:37 pm

Yeah, I was thinking White for Britton straight up.

My point was I'm not in love with any of the players in my list. In Luhnow I trust.

juliogotay · « **Reply #39 on:** July 23, 2018, 03:46:52 pm »

Quote from: BudGirl on July 23, 2018, 03:36:50 pm

My point was I'm not in love with any of the players in my list. In Luhnow I trust.

I wouldn't mind two guys for the pen. Harris hasn't been good for a while now.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #40 on:** July 23, 2018, 04:00:26 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on July 23, 2018, 03:46:52 pm

I wouldn't mind two guys for the pen. Harris hasn't been good for a while now.

+1

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MusicMan · « **Reply #41 on:** July 23, 2018, 04:20:37 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on July 23, 2018, 03:33:53 pm

Standing pat wouldn’t be a disaster but tough questions need to be asked and evaluated.

1. Would the Astros win a 7 game series right now against Boston, New York, Cleveland or Oakland/Seattle?

2. Is this bullpen, as currently constructed, good enough to shut down those lineups above, especially Boston or New York, in the late innings of a playoff game?

3. While our starting pitching is the best of the bunch, are our bats, as currently constructed, good enough to put runs on the board against the above teams when you won’t be facing anything but their 1 and 2 starters and perhaps their 3 only once in a series?

The answer to all of those questions may be yes. But you can expect all of those teams to make moves to better themselves prior to the deadline. Astros need to do the same if it makes sense. I trust Jeff either way.

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My answers to all of these are yes. The bullpen is a qualified yes, as McCullers will move to the pen if we make the postseason.

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Reuben · « **Reply #42 on:** July 23, 2018, 07:06:51 pm »

If the Astros are really as “heavy” on Britton as has been reported, then I can only conclude that they like what they are seeing currently. His injury of last year shouldn’t matter as much as “is he healthy now?” and “is he pitching at a high level now?” If their answer is Yes to both, then I sure hope their offer is better than Tyler White, because I am pretty sure that isn’t going to cut it.

Nate Colbert · « **Reply #43 on:** July 23, 2018, 07:20:08 pm »

Eddie Matz @ESPNeddiematz 7 minutes ago
#Astros, #Cubs, #Nats are among the teams with representatives at Camden Yards, where Zach Britton may or may not pitch tonight. And, of course, #RedSox too. (It's BOS @ BAL.)

austro · « **Reply #44 on:** July 23, 2018, 08:23:41 pm »

I have zero confidence in Britton's ability to stay healthy. It may turn out to be a poor decision, but I'd let some other team assume that risk.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #45 on:** July 23, 2018, 08:32:50 pm »

Quote from: austro on July 23, 2018, 08:23:41 pm

I have zero confidence in Britton's ability to stay healthy. It may turn out to be a poor decision, but I'd let some other team assume that risk.

Same here. I'm not worried about his ability as much as his availability.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #46 on:** July 23, 2018, 08:58:07 pm »

Quote from: austro on July 23, 2018, 08:23:41 pm

I have zero confidence in Britton's ability to stay healthy. It may turn out to be a poor decision, but I'd let some other team assume that risk.

Curious as to why you say that. According to what I can find, Britton has not been on the DL and exorbitant amount of time in his career. He was on the 60 day DL back in 2012 when he was used almost exclusively as a starter. That was for a shoulder impingement like McHugh had. I don’t see another DL stint until 2017 when he went in the DL with forearm tightness. All tests were clear and he tried to come back too early to help his team and wasn’t effective. He was placed on the 10 day DL again for the same issue. Again, all tests are structurally clear apparently. His last issue he is recovering from isn’t arm related. Now I know an Achilles can be serious stuff but at least it isn’t his arm in question. I just don’t see anything in that history that makes him untouchable if I think he can help me. Charlie Morton probably has a much more checkered injury past than Britton and look what he is doing.

Jeff will make the right call.

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Mr. Happy · « **Reply #47 on:** July 23, 2018, 08:59:23 pm »

Quote from: BudGirl on July 23, 2018, 03:36:50 pm

My point was I'm not in love with any of the players in my list. In Luhnow I trust.

+1

Sambito Redux · « **Reply #48 on:** July 23, 2018, 11:08:23 pm »

Will probably be off on this one... but I would like to see

Giles + either AJ Reed/Tyler White/Derek Fisher in a 2 for 1 --- they get a reliever who is major league experienced who needs a change of scenery plus a young hitting power guy who strikes out less than Chris Davis (big target that).

2 for 1 imo.... But the jedi mind shit Luhnow pulls is one of a kind --- TILT (Trust in Luhnow Tonight).

juliogotay · « **Reply #49 on:** July 24, 2018, 09:46:22 am »

Quote from: Sambito Redux on July 23, 2018, 11:08:23 pm

Will probably be off on this one... but I would like to see

Giles + either AJ Reed/Tyler White/Derek Fisher in a 2 for 1 --- they get a reliever who is major league experienced who needs a change of scenery plus a young hitting power guy who strikes out less than Chris Davis (big target that).

2 for 1 imo.... But the jedi mind shit Luhnow pulls is one of a kind --- TILT (Trust in Luhnow Tonight).

I don't think all four of those guys would get it done. Baltimore is surely to want at least one guy that they can "sell" the fans on.

hostros7 · « **Reply #50 on:** July 24, 2018, 10:24:54 am »

Quote from: juliogotay on July 24, 2018, 09:46:22 am

I don't think all four of those guys would get it done. Baltimore is surely to want at least one guy that they can "sell" the fans on.

All four of those guys could represent a better package than the O’s got for Machado.

I trust Luhnow to make the right call. Personally, I’m not that excited about Britton, but I’ll be enthused to add a lefty arm to the bullpen that has the imprimatur of the Astros front office if the FO decides to pull the trigger on him.

My guess is that the Astros will not overpay for ZB and will make a move for an arm that hasn’t been widely rumored.

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jbm · « **Reply #51 on:** July 24, 2018, 10:35:14 am »

Quote from: hostros7 on July 24, 2018, 10:24:54 am

All four of those guys could represent a better package than the O’s got for Machado.

I trust Luhnow to make the right call. Personally, I’m not that excited about Britton, but I’ll be enthused to add a lefty arm to the bullpen that has the imprimatur of the Astros front office if the FO decides to pull the trigger on him.

My guess is that the Astros will not overpay for ZB and will make a move for an arm that hasn’t been widely rumored.

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Totally agree, especially with the last sentence.

GreatBagwellsBeard · « **Reply #52 on:** July 24, 2018, 10:36:43 am »

Usually when we armchair GM this stuff, we understate what a trade partner will demand. (i.e. Tony Kemp for Mike Trout), but in this case I think we're overstating what the O's would want for Britton. He's a hot commodity, but he's also a significant injury risk AND a rental. I think Tyler White + a single-A lotto ticket (someone outside our top 15 prospects) gets it done.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #53 on:** July 24, 2018, 10:43:26 am »

Quote from: juliogotay on July 24, 2018, 09:46:22 am

I don't think all four of those guys would get it done. Baltimore is surely to want at least one guy that they can "sell" the fans on.

They may want it, but that doesn't mean they'll be offered it.

Other than perhaps Giles none of the four mentioned will play much or any role in the success of the Astros over the next few years. Of the everyday players on the 25-man roster nearly all of them are under club control through at least 2020. Marwin, McCann, and Gattis are not at the moment. Too, I can't imagine Luhnow dealing a pitcher who he thinks would play a role on the 25-man through at least the next 5 years.

MusicMan · « **Reply #54 on:** July 24, 2018, 11:41:34 am »

Peter Gammons points out that lefties sport a .850 OPS against Britton this year, compared to .496 two years ago.

This guy is not a difference maker.

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JimR · « **Reply #55 on:** July 24, 2018, 11:42:53 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 24, 2018, 11:41:34 am

Peter Gammons points out that lefties sport a .850 OPS against Britton this year, compared to .496 two years ago.

This guy is not a difference maker.

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He has given up nothing his last seven outings, I think. Luhnow can use this stat, though.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #56 on:** July 24, 2018, 11:44:21 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 24, 2018, 11:41:34 am

Peter Gammons points out that lefties sport a .850 OPS against Britton this year, compared to .496 two years ago.

This guy is not a difference maker.

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The Astros will lose White after this season. I think Britton will make more of a difference this year than White will.

Nate Colbert · « **Reply #57 on:** July 24, 2018, 11:47:27 am »

Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick 2 hours ago
The latest on Zach Britton: It's looking like a four-team scramble among the #Astros, #RedSox, #Yankees and #Cubs. Hearing that Houston and New York both sweetened their offers in the last day or two.

Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick 32 minutes ago
A lot of rival execs think the #Astros make the most sense as a Zach Britton destination. He might be their one missing piece. They have the prospect depth. And if the offers are close, the #Orioles will probably be more inclined to pick the non-AL East team on general principle.

JimR · « **Reply #58 on:** July 24, 2018, 01:27:18 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 24, 2018, 11:41:34 am

Peter Gammons points out that lefties sport a .850 OPS against Britton this year, compared to .496 two years ago.

This guy is not a difference maker.

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Too absolute, MM.

subnuclear · « **Reply #59 on:** July 24, 2018, 01:32:43 pm »

The AL playoffs are going to be a bloodbath. I think you have to improve everywhere you can even if it's small.

MusicMan · « **Reply #60 on:** July 24, 2018, 01:33:11 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 24, 2018, 01:27:18 pm

Too absolute, MM.

Fair enough.

I don’t *think* he’s a difference maker. If Luhnow thinks otherwise, I happily defer to his judgement.

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JimR · « **Reply #61 on:** July 24, 2018, 01:34:34 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 24, 2018, 01:33:11 pm

Fair enough.

I don’t *think* he’s a difference maker. If Luhnow thinks otherwise, I happily defer to his judgement.

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Remember Brad Peacock. Who knew?

MusicMan · « **Reply #62 on:** July 24, 2018, 03:05:12 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 24, 2018, 01:34:34 pm

Remember Brad Peacock. Who knew?

Hell, I was the guy saying Verlander was good, but certainly not Randy Johnson good.

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Bench · « **Reply #63 on:** July 24, 2018, 03:06:10 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 24, 2018, 03:05:12 pm

Hell, I was the guy saying Verlander was good, but certainly not Randy Johnson good.

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What's the roll call for people who wanted Sonny Gray over Verlander? I don't remember specifically but i was probably one of them.

JimR · « **Reply #64 on:** July 24, 2018, 03:06:38 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 24, 2018, 03:05:12 pm

Hell, I was the guy saying Verlander was good, but certainly not Randy Johnson good.

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Ha! Lots of TZ folks did not want to make that deal.

jbm · « **Reply #65 on:** July 24, 2018, 03:11:14 pm »

Quote from: Bench on July 24, 2018, 03:06:10 pm

What's the roll call for people who wanted Sonny Gray over Verlander? I don't remember specifically but i was probably one of them.

I'm not sure if I wanted him over JV, but I was of the opinion he would be a good addition. That has shown to be a very bad opinion

doyce7 · « **Reply #66 on:** July 24, 2018, 03:15:19 pm »

Quote from: Bench on July 24, 2018, 03:06:10 pm

What's the roll call for people who wanted Sonny Gray over Verlander? I don't remember specifically but i was probably one of them.

I was on the Cole or Archer train. I'm glad the way it worked out

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Mr. Happy · « **Reply #67 on:** July 24, 2018, 04:16:09 pm »

Quote from: hostros7 on July 24, 2018, 10:24:54 am

All four of those guys could represent a better package than the O’s got for Machado.

I trust Luhnow to make the right call. Personally, I’m not that excited about Britton, but I’ll be enthused to add a lefty arm to the bullpen that has the imprimatur of the Astros front office if the FO decides to pull the trigger on him.

My guess is that the Astros will not overpay for ZB and will make a move for an arm that hasn’t been widely rumored.

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+1

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #68 on:** July 24, 2018, 04:49:53 pm »

Quote from: Bench on July 24, 2018, 03:06:10 pm

What's the roll call for people who wanted Sonny Gray over Verlander? I don't remember specifically but i was probably one of them.

But if it'd been Gray Gray would be great now and Verlander would still be approaching mediocrity in Detroit, right? #whoseeverseenstromanddumbledoreinthesameplaceatthesametime

Nate Colbert · « **Reply #69 on:** July 24, 2018, 07:08:45 pm »

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 2m ago
#Yankees have emerged as clear front-runner for #Orioles’ Britton, sources tell The Athletic. NYY scratched RHP Dillon Tate from his start tonight at Double A. As always, no deal is complete until all medicals are approved by both clubs.

Nate Colbert · « **Reply #70 on:** July 24, 2018, 07:16:43 pm »

Jon Heyman @JonHeyman 6m ago
Yankees are moving closer to a deal for Zach britton. intense negotiations is the word.

jaklewein · « **Reply #71 on:** July 24, 2018, 07:50:54 pm »

With Luhnow take a chance on Osuna from Toronto? Word is he is being shopped.

Reuben · « **Reply #72 on:** July 24, 2018, 08:01:26 pm »

Quote from: jaklewein on July 24, 2018, 07:50:54 pm

With Luhnow take a chance on Osuna from Toronto? Word is he is being shopped.

Isn’t Osuna a wife-beater? No thanks.

JimR · « **Reply #73 on:** July 24, 2018, 08:06:06 pm »

Britton be gone.

Fuck the Yankees.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #74 on:** July 24, 2018, 08:10:36 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on July 24, 2018, 08:01:26 pm

Isn’t Osuna a wife-beater? No thanks.

I think a female acquaintance-beater. Plus the charges could fuck with getting a work visa for any team not in Canada.

Reuben · « **Reply #75 on:** July 24, 2018, 08:19:15 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 24, 2018, 08:06:06 pm

Britton be gone.

Brexit?

JimR · « **Reply #76 on:** July 24, 2018, 08:20:35 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on July 24, 2018, 08:19:15 pm

Brexit?

Does Luhnow have a Plan B? Was this a clever diversion?

Reuben · « **Reply #77 on:** July 24, 2018, 08:30:01 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 24, 2018, 08:20:35 pm

Does Luhnow have a Plan B? Was this a clever diversion?

I’m wondering about Plan B too. Iglesias of the Reds? Haven’t heard any other names.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #78 on:** July 24, 2018, 08:34:33 pm »

Been under a rock for the last 2 hours and just saw the proposed package. If the Astros wouldn’t beat this offer from the Yankees then a) they have bigger fish to fry and it isn’t known yet or b) Jeff found something that made him uncomfortable.

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TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #79 on:** July 24, 2018, 08:36:24 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on July 24, 2018, 08:30:01 pm

I’m wondering about Plan B too. Iglesias of the Reds? Haven’t heard any other names.

I’m not saying I wouldn’t do it, but Iglesias is going to cost a BUNCH. He has years of control and the Reds won’t give him away. You won’t get Iglesias without 2 top 10 prospects.

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Jacksonian · « **Reply #80 on:** July 24, 2018, 08:38:28 pm »

This deadline feels like 2016 to me.

JimR · « **Reply #81 on:** July 24, 2018, 08:45:54 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on July 24, 2018, 08:36:24 pm

I’m not saying I wouldn’t do it, but Iglesias is going to cost a BUNCH. He has years of control and the Reds won’t give him away. You won’t get Iglesias without 2 top 10 prospects.

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Well, how bad does he want a closer?

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #82 on:** July 24, 2018, 09:02:22 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 24, 2018, 08:45:54 pm

Well, how bad does he want a closer?

I guess we will see over he next few days. He may think like you and feel we need a bat, which would help as well. Castellanos would be interesting.

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JimR · « **Reply #83 on:** July 24, 2018, 09:08:03 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on July 24, 2018, 09:02:22 pm

I guess we will see over he next few days. He may think like you and feel we need a bat, which would help as well. Castellanos would be interesting.

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I just do not know where the bat will play. Who is Castellanos?

austro · « **Reply #84 on:** July 24, 2018, 09:25:30 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 24, 2018, 09:08:03 pm

I just do not know where the bat will play. Who is Castellanos?

Tigers 3B.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #85 on:** July 24, 2018, 09:26:39 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 24, 2018, 09:08:03 pm

I just do not know where the bat will play. Who is Castellanos?

Nick Castellanos, OF with the Tigers, rumored by some to be available. He’s 26 with another arb year after this before he’s a FA. He’s having a good year. Currently batting .301 with 15 HR, with 56 RBI and OPS of .861.

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TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #86 on:** July 24, 2018, 09:27:48 pm »

Quote from: austro on July 24, 2018, 09:25:30 pm

Tigers 3B.

RF, not 3B. Though perhaps he has played some 3B before. Don’t know.

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MusicMan · « **Reply #87 on:** July 24, 2018, 09:32:15 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on July 24, 2018, 09:27:48 pm

RF, not 3B. Though perhaps he has played some 3B before. Don’t know.

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He came up as a 3B. He made Clank look like a gold Glover.

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TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #88 on:** July 24, 2018, 09:36:17 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 24, 2018, 09:32:15 pm

He came up as a 3B. He made Clank look like a gold Glover.

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That explains why he now plays OF. He’s almost a +2 WAR if you believe in that stuff. Has 6 outfield assists so he must be a decent fielder out there.

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JimR · « **Reply #89 on:** July 24, 2018, 10:00:33 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on July 24, 2018, 09:36:17 pm

That explains why he now plays OF. He’s almost a +2 WAR if you believe in that stuff. Has 6 outfield assists so he must be a decent fielder out there.

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No room for an OF. Who goes? I think this your next Adam Jones trade scenario.

Reuben · « **Reply #90 on:** July 24, 2018, 10:03:35 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on July 24, 2018, 09:36:17 pm

That explains why he now plays OF. He’s almost a +2 WAR if you believe in that stuff. Has 6 outfield assists so he must be a decent fielder out there.

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OF assists do not prove anyone is a good fielder. In fact I’m pretty sure Castellanos is considered to be one of the worst defensive OFs in MLB.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #91 on:** July 24, 2018, 10:11:22 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 24, 2018, 10:00:33 pm

No room for an OF. Who goes? I think this your next Adam Jones trade scenario.

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austro · « **Reply #92 on:** July 24, 2018, 10:20:16 pm »

I think I just saw that the Indians moved Andrew Miller to the 60-day DL. So they'll be looking for relievers even more than they were before.

Sambito Redux · « **Reply #93 on:** July 24, 2018, 11:16:20 pm »

How about we trade for Archer --- see if he would be willing to come out of the pen for this season and sneak him into the rotation for next season if Dallas departs?

Ramos and Archer for Straw, Fisher, White, Reed, Stubbs and Giles

Probably a pipe dream and they would want Alvarez --- which is a no go.

JimR · « **Reply #94 on:** July 25, 2018, 10:19:43 am »

Quote from: Sambito Redux on July 24, 2018, 11:16:20 pm

How about we trade for Archer --- see if he would be willing to come out of the pen for this season and sneak him into the rotation for next season if Dallas departs?

Ramos and Archer for Straw, Fisher, White, Reed, Stubbs and Giles

Probably a pipe dream and they would want Alvarez --- which is a no go.

Will Archer also agree to throw LH?

Texifornia · « **Reply #95 on:** July 25, 2018, 10:23:52 am »

Quote from: JimR on July 25, 2018, 10:19:43 am

Will Archer also agree to throw LH?

Worked for Bagwell, didn't it?

Fredia · « **Reply #96 on:** July 25, 2018, 10:52:49 am »

wonder how close the offers have been

VirtualBob · « **Reply #97 on:** July 25, 2018, 02:04:18 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on July 24, 2018, 10:03:35 pm

OF assists do not prove anyone is a good fielder. In fact I’m pretty sure Castellanos is considered to be one of the worst defensive OFs in MLB.

Right. They prove that everyone runs on them all the time and the fielder periodically gets a lucky throw on target.

Lefty · « **Reply #98 on:** July 25, 2018, 06:28:24 pm »

The goddam Yankees are reportedly in discussions re: Archer

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #99 on:** July 25, 2018, 06:57:56 pm »

Quote from: Lefty on July 25, 2018, 06:28:24 pm

The goddam Yankees are reportedly in discussions re: Archer

Stand pat or try to get better. A lot of teams are being aggressive.

And make no mistake, the Yankees have what it takes to get Archer.

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MusicMan · « **Reply #100 on:** July 25, 2018, 07:37:39 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on July 25, 2018, 06:57:56 pm

Stand pat or try to get better. A lot of teams are being aggressive.

And make no mistake, the Yankees have what it takes to get Archer.

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Cole. Rondon. Smith.

We’ve been aggressive.

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Ty in Tampa · « **Reply #101 on:** July 25, 2018, 07:56:40 pm »

It’s a fine line between aggression and stupidity.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #102 on:** July 25, 2018, 08:32:37 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 25, 2018, 07:37:39 pm

Cole. Rondon. Smith.

We’ve been aggressive.

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I absolutely agree. That comment wasn’t specifically aimed at our team. Just an observation in general.

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juliogotay · « **Reply #103 on:** July 25, 2018, 08:53:08 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on July 25, 2018, 06:57:56 pm

Stand pat or try to get better. A lot of teams are being aggressive.

And make no mistake, the Yankees have what it takes to get Archer.

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Eovaldi may prove a better pickup than Archer.

Reuben · « **Reply #104 on:** July 25, 2018, 10:14:54 pm »

I wonder if Luhnow likes Adam Conley, lefty RP on the Marlins. Won’t reach FA until after 2021 season I believe. Batters hitting .168 off him this year (albeit in just 27 IP). Previously a below-average starter.

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #105 on:** July 25, 2018, 10:17:50 pm »

Was just discussing - has Luhnow paid up for any rentals? Seems like everyone that he paid a meaningful price for still had control left (Verlander, Cole, Gomez, Giles). Obviously have been guys like Liriano / Maybin, but didn’t give up much.

hostros7 · « **Reply #106 on:** July 25, 2018, 11:14:47 pm »

Quote from: BizidyDizidy on July 25, 2018, 10:17:50 pm

Was just discussing - has Luhnow paid up for any rentals? Seems like everyone that he paid a meaningful price for still had control left (Verlander, Cole, Gomez, Giles). Obviously have been guys like Liriano / Maybin, but didn’t give up much.

You can add Gattis and McCann to the non-rental gang. The only trade that I recall that might qualify as a significant deal for a rental would be Kazmir, but no one is really lamenting the loss of Mengden and Nottingham at this point.

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MusicMan · « **Reply #107 on:** July 26, 2018, 07:59:12 am »

From Rosenthal:

The Astros’ interest in acquiring left-handed reliever Zach Britton from the Baltimore Orioles was overstated, according to officials with both clubs.

The Orioles made a “fairly aggressive ask,” one source said. The Astros responded that they were not willing to meet the desired price, then declined to make a counter-offer.

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JimR · « **Reply #108 on:** July 26, 2018, 10:27:57 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 26, 2018, 07:59:12 am

From Rosenthal:

The Astros’ interest in acquiring left-handed reliever Zach Britton from the Baltimore Orioles was overstated, according to officials with both clubs.

The Orioles made a “fairly aggressive ask,” one source said. The Astros responded that they were not willing to meet the desired price, then declined to make a counter-offer.

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Love it.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #109 on:** July 26, 2018, 10:34:22 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 26, 2018, 07:59:12 am

From Rosenthal:

The Astros’ interest in acquiring left-handed reliever Zach Britton from the Baltimore Orioles was overstated, according to officials with both clubs.

The Orioles made a “fairly aggressive ask,” one source said. The Astros responded that they were not willing to meet the desired price, then declined to make a counter-offer.

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I'll pat myself on the back.

Sambito Redux · « **Reply #110 on:** July 26, 2018, 01:16:05 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 25, 2018, 10:19:43 am

Will Archer also agree to throw LH?

Haha. Good point.

But, I am not sure the biggest bats we are going to be facing are lefties - a few I am sure.

I just think its the good short term and long term idea that sells me on him --- maybe move Keuchel to the pen?

juliogotay · « **Reply #111 on:** July 26, 2018, 01:23:40 pm »

Quote from: Sambito Redux on July 26, 2018, 01:16:05 pm

Haha. Good point.

But, I am not sure the biggest bats we are going to be facing are lefties - a few I am sure.

I just think its the good short term and long term idea that sells me on him --- maybe move Keuchel to the pen?

Can we please drive a wedge into this "Keuchel to the pen" idea? Not happening.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #112 on:** July 26, 2018, 02:16:54 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on July 26, 2018, 01:23:40 pm

Can we please drive a wedge into this "Keuchel to the pen" idea? Not happening.

Yes please. He's a starter. Move along.

Fredia · « **Reply #113 on:** July 26, 2018, 03:37:37 pm »

post his stats in in most recent starts ..that should quell the discussion

doyce7 · « **Reply #114 on:** July 26, 2018, 03:43:57 pm »

Quote from: Fredia on July 26, 2018, 03:37:37 pm

post his stats in in most recent starts ..that should quell the discussion

Last 7 starts

5-0 2.00ERA 45IP

.226/.272/.274 slash line against

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JimR · « **Reply #115 on:** July 27, 2018, 10:43:05 am »

Quote from: Jacksonian on July 26, 2018, 10:34:22 am

I'll pat myself on the back.

You should

BlownRanger · « **Reply #116 on:** July 27, 2018, 10:56:04 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 26, 2018, 07:59:12 am

From Rosenthal:

The Astros’ interest in acquiring left-handed reliever Zach Britton from the Baltimore Orioles was overstated, according to officials with both clubs.

The Orioles made a “fairly aggressive ask,” one source said. The Astros responded that they were not willing to meet the desired price, then declined to make a counter-offer.

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This report came two days after Heyman reported that the Astros and Cubs were the finalists for Britton and each club was submitting their final offer. Obviously, one of these guys was fed complete horseshit by his valued "sources", and I'm happy to admit I'm assuming it's the Astros-hating Heyman. My only point in bringing this up is to show how foolish it is to take as fact anything reported by these "insiders", especially at this time of year.

MusicMan · « **Reply #117 on:** July 27, 2018, 11:13:38 am »

It’s foolish to consider Heyman an insider, period.

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Jacksonian · « **Reply #118 on:** July 27, 2018, 11:27:29 am »

Quote from: BlownRanger on July 27, 2018, 10:56:04 am

This report came two days after Heyman reported that the Astros and Cubs were the finalists for Britton and each club was submitting their final offer. Obviously, one of these guys was fed complete horseshit by his valued "sources", and I'm happy to admit I'm assuming it's the Astros-hating Heyman. My only point in bringing this up is to show how foolish it is to take as fact anything reported by these "insiders", especially at this time of year.

No one seems more tight lipped than Luhnow. Who knew about Maldonado before the deal was basically done?

JimR · « **Reply #119 on:** July 27, 2018, 11:50:19 am »

Quote from: BlownRanger on July 27, 2018, 10:56:04 am

This report came two days after Heyman reported that the Astros and Cubs were the finalists for Britton and each club was submitting their final offer. Obviously, one of these guys was fed complete horseshit by his valued "sources", and I'm happy to admit I'm assuming it's the Astros-hating Heyman. My only point in bringing this up is to show how foolish it is to take as fact anything reported by these "insiders", especially at this time of year.

I know nothing of Heyman or his sources, but I am a friend of a person in baseball who is a source for Rosenthal.

JimR · « **Reply #120 on:** July 27, 2018, 11:58:11 am »

Quote from: Jacksonian on July 27, 2018, 11:27:29 am

No one seems more tight lipped than Luhnow. Who knew about Maldonado before the deal was basically done?

Absolutely true. I believe nothing the “experts” write about what Luhnow is doing.

MusicMan · « **Reply #121 on:** July 27, 2018, 12:28:54 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 27, 2018, 11:50:19 am

I know nothing of Heyman or his sources, but I am a friend of a person in baseball who is a source for Rosenthal.

Rosenthal is the best in the business, and it’s not particularly close.

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juliogotay · « **Reply #122 on:** July 27, 2018, 01:02:38 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 27, 2018, 11:50:19 am

I know nothing of Heyman or his sources, but I am a friend of a person in baseball who is a source for Rosenthal.

I like Rosenthal.