Yuli Suspension?

[jaklewein]

 Guys on MLB radio this morning we’re saying he will get suspended at least one game for his racial expressions towards Darvish.  Terrible news if true.

[JimR]

Rosenthal apparently does not agree.

[SoonerJim]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X5_QLKX-6s

The offending gesture, replete with virtue posturing. Cap Anson is in the HOF, and nobody acts on his effect on the game's racial makeup.

[baron]

I’m not up to speed on the typical punishments in MLB but it seems to me that he’ll be lucky to only miss one game.

[doyce7]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-dodgers-hernandez-20171027-story,amp.html

Interesting article from a guy who is half Hispanic half japanese

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[Mr. Appropriate]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-dodgers-hernandez-20171027-story,amp.html

Interesting article from a guy who is half Hispanic half japanese

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Great article. Racism and prejudice do not translate across cultures. Im inclined to think that what yuli did had zero malice. Lived in Mexico twice...chino is not an insult--used for anyone who has an "Asian" appearance regardless of heritage and is given and received without offense. Grateful that this journalist used his personal perspective to had some subtlety to the situation. And also to darvish for laughing off the incident.

[MusicMan]

I’m not up to speed on the typical punishments in MLB but it seems to me that he’ll be lucky to only miss one game.

Anti gay slurs have gotten 2 and 3 games before, but the key difference is that the team (Blue Jays both times) administered the suspension, not MLB.


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[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Anti gay slurs have gotten 2 and 3 games before, but the key difference is that the team (Blue Jays both times) administered the suspension, not MLB.


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Also, if I'm not mistaken, those infractions occurred on the field of play.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Also, if I'm not mistaken, those infractions occurred on the field of play.

Matt Joyce uttered his toward a fan.

[Bench]

Great article. Racism and prejudice do not translate across cultures. Im inclined to think that what yuli did had zero malice. Lived in Mexico twice...chino is not an insult--used for anyone who has an "Asian" appearance regardless of heritage and is given and received without offense. Grateful that this journalist used his personal perspective to had some subtlety to the situation. And also to darvish for laughing off the incident.

A lack of malice doesn't make it acceptable, but I'd imagine the CBA would prevent whatever performance punishment the twitterverse is calling for.  This isn't the NFL.

But Yuli and the Astros should get ahead of it with a genuine apology and a tangible remedial action.  Yuli can partner with the ADL or some organization like that to work on some educational program over the offseason.  I'm sure there are plenty of organizations that could come up with something more productive than a suspension. 

[Lefty]

He can appeal any suspension I assume, even during the postseason?  So if he's suspended, which I think is preposterous, chances are decent that he wouldn't serve it until '18?

[Navin R Johnson]

Dumb and offensive. But worthy of a suspension in the World Series?  Did the Indians get suspended for their mascot?

[Bench]

Dumb and offensive. But worthy of a suspension in the World Series?  Did the Indians get suspended for their mascot?

That's a great point.

[Mr. Appropriate]

A lack of malice doesn't make it acceptable, but I'd imagine the CBA would prevent whatever performance punishment the twitterverse is calling for.  This isn't the NFL.

But Yuli and the Astros should get ahead of it with a genuine apology and a tangible remedial action.  Yuli can partner with the ADL or some organization like that to work on some educational program over the offseason.  I'm sure there are plenty of organizations that could come up with something more productive than a suspension.

Lack of malice goes to consequences, not if it is acceptable or not. Don't see anyone arguing that making slant eyes at anyone is appropriate behavior for the Astros. Really doubt Nori Aoki was subjected to any racism whatsoever by Yuli or any other player. Yuli immediately said he was sorry and offered to apologize to Yu personally. Darvish doesn't seem to think that is necessary. Darvish seems like a grown man. Seemed to me that Hinch and by association the Astros organization immediately repudiated Yuli's acts. These apologies and repudiations strike me as sincere. Pearl Harbor, Korematsu v U.S., Hiroshima and Nagasaki are mutually forgiven if not entirely forgotten--we're all friends now--friends who play baseball. Think the ADL is a great organization, and involving it in school-yard nonsense like this (the act and the uproar around it) is beneath the ADL and similar organizations. No harm, no foul, play ball.

[Bench]

Think the ADL is a great organization, and involving it in school-yard nonsense like this (the act and the uproar around it) is beneath the ADL and similar organizations. No harm, no foul, play ball.

The ADL spends a lot time involving itself in school-yards.  It's one of their primary missions.  They routinely take things like this and turn them into educational opportunities.

[Bench]

No WS suspension.  Will serve 5 game suspension in 2018.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2017/10/28/yuli-gurriel-suspension-world-series-2018-yu-darvish/810015001/

[Fredia]

wonder if they will bench him

[Bench]

wonder if they will bench him

They will...  For five games next season.

[JimR]

wonder if they will bench him

You are fucking crazy. This was negotiated.

[David in Jackson]

As I posted in the GZ, I don't excuse what Yuli did but I do have a different reaction to a 33 year old who spent the first 32 years of his life on a communist island in the Caribbean and what I would expect of someone who had spent his life in the USA.

Let's move on and beat the Dodgers.

[chuck]

Five games is I think far too much and I assume it'll get appealed down to three but since it doesn't impact the remaining games this year I can't get too worked up about it.

[TerryPuhl21]

Five games is I think far too much and I assume it'll get appealed down to three but since it doesn't impact the remaining games this year I can't get too worked up about it.

From a public opinion standpoint, I don't think Yuli should appeal. He should apologize once again and say that he accepts the 5 games and will not appeal.


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[The Spleen]

From the way Twitter is boiling over, the quick suspension announcement might have deepened the crisis instead of defusing it.
Lots of people are furious that he won't be missing time during the Series.

[Ty in Tampa]

From the way Twitter is boiling over, the quick suspension announcement might have deepened the crisis instead of defusing it.
Lots of people are furious that he won't be missing time during the Series.

So what?

[Astros Fan in Big D]

From the way Twitter is boiling over, the quick suspension announcement might have deepened the crisis instead of defusing it.
Lots of people are furious that he won't be missing time during the Series.

Twitter can suck it.

There'll be another outrage before the next rainfall.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

I'm upset every time impressionable youths are subjected to seeing a grown man licking upon his own bat. It really hurts my sensibilities. Thanks Fox.

[Lefty]

I'm upset every time impressionable youths are subjected to seeing a grown man licking upon his own bat. It really hurts my sensibilities. Thanks Fox.

From Bob Nightengale on Twitter, Manfred's thinking was:

1.  Reg season suspension means loss of salary (~380K)
2.  Wrong to punish the other 24 guys on the team
3.  Darvish wants to move forward
4.  Gurriel agreed not to appeal

Also, Gurriel expected to make private apology go Darvish, the Astros are donating the salary to charity, and Gurriel will undergo sensitivity training in the off-season.

[The Spleen]

5. Are there mechanisms in place for expediting an appeal in 2-4 days (without getting sued by the union)?

[SoonerJim]

Where’s the justice?  https://m.imgur.com/2640cNh

[The Spleen]

Where’s the justice?  https://m.imgur.com/2640cNh

That picture is also all over Twitter. Anyone know the date and context?

[austro]

I would imagine they're telling Puig to use his fucking head.

[HudsonHawk]

So what?

No kidding. I read numerous comments of outrage at the ball Devo threw that hit the ump. They were furious that Hernandez wasn't awarded home plate because of that and claimed the World Series is now somehow tainted. Lots of people are idiots.

[JimR]

From the way Twitter is boiling over, the quick suspension announcement might have deepened the crisis instead of defusing it.
Lots of people are furious that he won't be missing time during the Series.

Fuck Twitter. Who the fuck cares?

[Aussie Astro]

Fuck Twitter. Who the fuck cares?

I think you are missing an important point, social media opinions are the most important opinions in the world... according to people on social media.

[Fredia]

how did we ever have a season or playoffs without social media..

[edvio]

Don't see anyone arguing that making slant eyes at anyone is appropriate behavior for the Astros.

Yuli made the slant eyes gesture which doesn't require much common sense to know that is not ok.  There is nothing ok about making that gesture.  It shouldn't be hard to understand that that is not ok.  And, Yuli played a year in Japan and he himself says he knows better.

[Mr. Appropriate]

Yuli made the slant eyes gesture which doesn't require much common sense to know that is not ok.  There is nothing ok about making that gesture.  It shouldn't be hard to understand that that is not ok.  And, Yuli played a year in Japan and he himself says he knows better.

Sir,
We agree!
Yuli did a bad thing.
this issue is chickenshit.
keeping sentences short.
just for you.

philosophical question:
If I am alone, and make the slant eye gesture, and no one sees me, is not ok?

Doubt it is over.
doubt the Dojer fans are going to be classy when the Astros play in L.A.
Hope I'm wrong.
 



 

[juliogotay]

From the way Twitter is boiling over, the quick suspension announcement might have deepened the crisis instead of defusing it.
Lots of people are furious that he won't be missing time during the Series.

I'm sure that just about every Dodger fan is incensed. if it had been the done by a Dodger I suspect they would think the decision was brilliant and fair.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Sometimes when I have a sinus headache I massage my temples with my index fingers. But never in public.

[BlownRanger]

I, for one, was pleasantly surprised (and shocked) by the restraint shown by the media - especially Fox - in not harping incessantly on the Gurriel/Darvish incident.  In fact, I think the brief discussion when it happened of Yuli tipping his cap toward the mound was the last I've heard it mentioned.

[Limey]

I, for one, was pleasantly surprised (and shocked) by the restraint shown by the media - especially Fox - in not harping incessantly on the Gurriel/Darvish incident.  In fact, I think the brief discussion when it happened of Yuli tipping his cap toward the mound was the last I've heard it mentioned.

Rich "Gatorade-Botherer" Hill had a go a ginning it up, but Darvish threw category 5 volumes of cold water on the issue so there was nothing left to see.  Yuli tipping the cap was a fitting ending.

[Bench]

Yuli tipping the cap was a fitting ending.

I thought that was a genuine and classy gesture by Yuli. 

[geezerdonk]

I think that you could see true contrition on his face.

[Aussie Astro]

I, for one, was pleasantly surprised (and shocked) by the restraint shown by the media - especially Fox - in not harping incessantly on the Gurriel/Darvish incident.  In fact, I think the brief discussion when it happened of Yuli tipping his cap toward the mound was the last I've heard it mentioned.

You didn’t hear Bill Plaschke then?  Fuck that guy, he made it sound like Yuli was up there with Weinstein and Spacey.  The gesture was juvenile and stupid, but it got the same suspension as a pitcher that buzzed a batter with a 89 mph fastball?  Please, give me a break.