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NLDS Game 5
« on: October 12, 2017, 07:22:40 pm »
Cubs up 1-0...bases loaded with two out in the top of the first. Gonzalez getting squeezed like a zit
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2017, 07:31:21 pm »
Cubs up 1-0...bases loaded with two out in the top of the first. Gonzalez getting squeezed like a zit

I had Gonzalez on a fantasy team once.  He's the pitcher I remember because there was so much to like while you were hating him.
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2017, 07:35:42 pm »
I have a grand nephew named Gio. He just turned two the other day.
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2017, 07:36:59 pm »
Was he named after Gio Gonzalez? 
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2017, 07:47:31 pm »
Was he named after Gio Gonzalez?

I don't think so. But maybe.
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2017, 07:47:37 pm »
Was he named after Gio Gonzalez?

Of course he was—he just turned two!

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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2017, 07:49:49 pm »
Dan Murphy HR ties it in the bottom of the 2nd

ETA:  1-1
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2017, 07:55:40 pm »
Michael A Taylor. 4-1 Nats.
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2017, 07:56:54 pm »
Michael Taylor with a 3-run HR.  Now 4-1 Washington, no outs. 

right now this is a pleasure to watch. 
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2017, 07:57:08 pm »
Taylor has now driven in seven runs in his last two at bats.
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2017, 08:01:45 pm »
What happened to that whole short hook thing? 
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2017, 08:03:22 pm »
Hendricks has thrown a lot of hanging fastballs.
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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2017, 08:07:28 pm »
I don’t know the lifetime stats, but I think Zimmerman could bat 1,000 times against Hendricks and never get a hit.

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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2017, 08:16:27 pm »
Cubs with bases drunk and one out...
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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2017, 08:18:39 pm »
Hey Hey, Fat Albers is up in the pen!
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« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2017, 08:21:37 pm »
Damn Wieters...you ole'd that run in.
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« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2017, 08:23:45 pm »
Nothing says what shouldn't happen in a playoff game like a run scored on a passed ball.
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« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2017, 08:32:21 pm »
Nothing says what shouldn't happen in a playoff game like a run scored on a passed ball.

Well I was a wild pitch, but Wieters should have blocked it.
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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2017, 08:35:09 pm »
Well I was a wild pitch, but Wieters should have blocked it.

Yes. He made no effort to get in the pitch-block position.

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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2017, 08:36:55 pm »
Well I was a wild pitch, but Wieters should have blocked it.
I'm half watching.  You may have a lot of corrections to make.  Of course it wouldn't make much difference if I were fully engaged. 
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« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2017, 08:45:01 pm »
Looks like Scherzer will come in for the 5th.
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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2017, 09:05:18 pm »
Looks like Scherzer will come in for the 5th.
Well, that's backfiring

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« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2017, 09:07:14 pm »
Well, that's backfiring ed

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FIFY.
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« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2017, 09:08:11 pm »
I don't remember seeing so many Ace starters pitch from the pen before.  Are there more off-days between games this year allowing starters more down-time? They have sometimes spit the bit. Shit, Washington is throwing the ball around out there.

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« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2017, 09:09:30 pm »
Wow. Nationals falling apart now

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« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2017, 09:12:45 pm »
Wow. Nationals falling apart now

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And Weiters just called for Catcher's Interference. Sacks jammed with Cubs.

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« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2017, 09:13:03 pm »
2 outs, followed by 2 singles, a double, a strikeout/wildpitch/throwing error that plates a run, now a catchers interference. Now bases loaded with 2 outs

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« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2017, 09:13:40 pm »
Now a bit by pitch to score a run. I can't believe what I'm seeing

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« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2017, 09:15:06 pm »
Now a bit by pitch to score a run. I can't believe what I'm seeing

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You apparently didn't watch our 2013 Astros.
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« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2017, 09:15:31 pm »
Nightmare inning.

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« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2017, 09:16:55 pm »
You apparently didn't watch our 2013 Astros.
Oh, I did. But this is the playoffs, bit different standards to say the least

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« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2017, 09:18:05 pm »
If i’m the water cooler and I see Scherzer coming...

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« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2017, 09:23:21 pm »
Oh, I did. But this is the playoffs, bit different standards to say the least

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Yeah, I know, it's just that's what it looked like.  I'd still like to share some of that pain.
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« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2017, 09:28:33 pm »
Oh, I did. But this is the playoffs, bit different standards to say the least

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Wait a minute.  That wasn't a playoff team in 2013?!

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« Reply #34 on: October 12, 2017, 09:29:14 pm »
Wait a minute.  That wasn't a playoff team in 2013?!
Not at the mlb level. Maybe college

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« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2017, 09:44:24 pm »
Wow.  The Nets are playing like dog shit.

Dog shit might actually be offended...

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« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2017, 09:45:39 pm »
It's the CUBS!   We have to lose!

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« Reply #37 on: October 12, 2017, 09:45:50 pm »
Watching this makes me cringe because the Nationals remind me so much of the turn of the century Astros and their utter futility in the Division Series.
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« Reply #38 on: October 12, 2017, 09:46:45 pm »
Wow.  The Nets are playing like dog shit.

Dog shit might actually be offended...
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« Reply #39 on: October 12, 2017, 09:48:18 pm »
For Werth's sake, I hope he lost that in the lights.
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« Reply #40 on: October 12, 2017, 09:51:15 pm »
That home plate umpire is dog shit too. Zobrist was K’d easily. It wasn’t close.

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« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2017, 09:51:36 pm »
He lost it in the lights, or he's in very, very deep to the Russian Mob.
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« Reply #42 on: October 12, 2017, 10:04:18 pm »
It's been a real catching clinic tonight.
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« Reply #43 on: October 12, 2017, 10:09:34 pm »
Weiters with a chance to redeem himself...and...flys out on the first pitch he sees.

Womp womp.

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« Reply #44 on: October 12, 2017, 10:25:26 pm »
Jeff Passan on Twitter: “The last four Cubs have reached base on an intentional walk, a passed-ball strikeout, catcher's interference and a hit by pitch.”
Follow up tweet: “I am willing to bet never before in baseball history have four batters in a row reached on this sequence of events. ”

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“None of the 2.73m half innings in our db have even had all 4 of these events.  22 w/ 3. Only 5 games had all 4.”



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« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2017, 10:44:47 pm »
Bases juiced for Harper

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« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2017, 10:48:23 pm »
Jeff Passan on Twitter: “The last four Cubs have reached base on an intentional walk, a passed-ball strikeout, catcher's interference and a hit by pitch.”
Follow up tweet: “I am willing to bet never before in baseball history have four batters in a row reached on this sequence of events. ”

Baseball Reference tweets in response:
“None of the 2.73m half innings in our db have even had all 4 of these events.  22 w/ 3. Only 5 games had all 4.”

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« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2017, 11:21:38 pm »
Gnats don't give up easy.
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« Reply #48 on: October 12, 2017, 11:25:12 pm »
Hate seeing replay used this way. 
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« Reply #49 on: October 12, 2017, 11:28:19 pm »
Hate seeing replay used this way.

That replay didn't prove shit, but they still turned it over.
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« Reply #50 on: October 12, 2017, 11:34:34 pm »
Now that video replay is so prevalent, MLB needs a rule change that makes the area over the bag safe territory - kinda like "breaking the plane" in football. 
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« Reply #51 on: October 12, 2017, 11:42:05 pm »
That replay didn't prove shit, but they still turned it over.

I only had a quick look at it and had to leave. Nothing definitive but they overturned it?

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« Reply #52 on: October 12, 2017, 11:47:15 pm »
Well, it's all set now.. we'll see if the Dodgers can take down Joe Madden and that  pretty darn good team from the North Side.

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« Reply #53 on: October 12, 2017, 11:49:58 pm »
Now that video replay is so prevalent, MLB needs a rule change that makes the area over the bag safe territory - kinda like "breaking the plane" in football.

That, or somebody tears his hamstring trying to keep his leg glued on the bag for the entire slide to please the replay booth.
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« Reply #54 on: October 12, 2017, 11:52:05 pm »
I only had a quick look at it and had to leave. Nothing definitive but they overturned it?

From my view it looked like his foot may have (probably?) lost contact with the bag for a split second... definitive?  i wouldn't go that far.
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« Reply #55 on: October 12, 2017, 11:53:07 pm »
Cubs didn't win this game as much as the Nationals lost it.  I didn't think that the pickoff was conclusive, but you can't get caught leaning there.  I just knew they were going to get the tying run home with the lineup turning over. 

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« Reply #56 on: October 12, 2017, 11:54:58 pm »
Oh yeah, and FTC as well.
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« Reply #57 on: October 13, 2017, 12:42:53 am »
It's weird how every so often a playoff game comes around like this where both teams take turns screwing things up.  Like an anti-playoff game.    Hell, the HPU got drilled in the mask on a cross up fastball AFTER a breaking ball bounced in front of the plate and knocked his mask off.  Weird juju in DC.

The FTC pen was a complete mess and they get out of the 8th with only one batted ball producing an out.

And just like that they may be nails the next time out. 

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« Reply #58 on: October 13, 2017, 01:50:12 am »
It's weird how every so often a playoff game comes around like this where both teams take turns screwing things up.  Like an anti-playoff game.    Hell, the HPU got drilled in the mask on a cross up fastball AFTER a breaking ball bounced in front of the plate and knocked his mask off.  Weird juju in DC.

The FTC pen was a complete mess and they get out of the 8th with only one batted ball producing an out.

And just like that they may be nails the next time out.

I wasn't paying that much attention to the game, did the HPU give the FTC's catcher a clip on the chin?
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« Reply #59 on: October 13, 2017, 06:25:46 am »
I wasn't paying that much attention to the game, did the HPU give the FTC's catcher a clip on the chin?

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« Reply #60 on: October 13, 2017, 07:02:11 am »
Yes, he did. (Mostly) in jest, but more than just a little brush, too.

Yes,  it was yet another bizarre event in that crazy game.

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« Reply #61 on: October 13, 2017, 09:19:46 am »
Now that video replay is so prevalent, MLB needs a rule change that makes the area over the bag safe territory - kinda like "breaking the plane" in football.
Yes. Touch first but a little drift above the bag should be fine. Just no sliding past it.
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« Reply #62 on: October 13, 2017, 10:10:11 am »
So I've been doing some thinking on the third strike/passed ball episode in the 5th, and there is something interesting at play here. Older versions of this rule say:

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If a batter strikes at a ball and misses and swings so hard he carries the bat all the way around and, in the umpire’s judgment, unintentionally hits the catcher or the ball in back of him on the backswing before the catcher has securely held the ball, it shall be called a strike only (not interference). The ball will be dead, however, and no runner shall advance on the play.

In 2013, the rule was changed slightly to say:

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If a batter strikes at a ball and misses and swings so hard he carries the bat all the way around and, in the umpire’s judgment, unintentionally hits the catcher or the ball in back of him on the backswing, it shall be called a strike only (not interference). The ball will be dead, however, and no runner shall advance on the play.

See the difference? Now, umpire Jerry Layne said he didn't call the batter interference because the ball was already passed Wieters, and it didn't affect Wieters's attempt to make a play on the pitched ball. That seems to be the intent of the older version of the rule. But the current version of the rule doesn't say that part. It just says if the backswing hits the catcher it's a dead ball. The Nats may have had a legitimate beef on that one. Would have been interesting had Dusty protested that game.

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Re: NLDS Game 5
« Reply #63 on: October 13, 2017, 10:39:41 am »
I don't remember seeing so many Ace starters pitch from the pen before.  Are there more off-days between games this year allowing starters more down-time? They have sometimes spit the bit. Shit, Washington is throwing the ball around out there.

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« Reply #64 on: October 13, 2017, 10:54:47 am »
So I've been doing some thinking on the third strike/passed ball episode in the 5th, and there is something interesting at play here. Older versions of this rule say:

In 2013, the rule was changed slightly to say:

See the difference? Now, umpire Jerry Layne said he didn't call the batter interference because the ball was already passed Wieters, and it didn't affect Wieters's attempt to make a play on the pitched ball. That seems to be the intent of the older version of the rule. But the current version of the rule doesn't say that part. It just says if the backswing hits the catcher it's a dead ball. The Nats may have had a legitimate beef on that one. Would have been interesting had Dusty protested that game.

Thanks.  I could not figure out what Weiters was getting at. 
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« Reply #65 on: October 13, 2017, 11:08:48 am »
Thanks.  I could not figure out what Weiters was getting at.

Wieters said after the game that Layne told him batter interference only applies on a steal, but that is just false.  I don't know if Wieters misunderstood Layne's explanation, or if Layne simply explained it to him wrong.  Either way, this was a potential misapplication of the rule by the umpires, and grounds for protesting the game.  I'm kind of surprised that Baker did not. 
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« Reply #66 on: October 13, 2017, 04:28:07 pm »
Wieters said after the game that Layne told him batter interference only applies on a steal, but that is just false.  I don't know if Wieters misunderstood Layne's explanation, or if Layne simply explained it to him wrong.  Either way, this was a potential misapplication of the rule by the umpires, and grounds for protesting the game.  I'm kind of surprised that Baker did not.

I was wondering about that. I’d muted it so assumed everything was explained to everyone’s satisfaction. What’s especially damning is that all the umpires convened to discuss it and still evidently botched the call.

Thanks for elucidating the point!

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Re: NLDS Game 5
« Reply #67 on: October 13, 2017, 07:43:05 pm »
To me, Dusty looked awfully tired after the game last night.   I wonder if he's done...