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The Throw
« on: May 12, 2017, 09:43:05 am »
Amazing, and I hate the overuse of that word. Ellsbury had a 25-30' lead and was running on contact. Equally amazing is Correa and Marisnick talked before the pitch and positioned themselves for that result.
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2017, 09:56:30 am »
Twas a thing of beauty Coach.
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2017, 10:00:20 am »
I was on a conference call with people in Indonesia, and was watching it on my phone sitting on the table. When the ball was hit, I didn't think they'd be able to get Ellsbury running with two outs. Then I watched Jake, field the ball, and calmly, with no panic, deliver an almost perfect throw. It was all I could no not to shout "YES!!!" into the microphone.  Shout out to McCann on the tag too. Ellsbury still hasn't touched the plate.
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2017, 10:08:45 am »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on May 12, 2017, 10:00:20 am
Shout out to McCann on the tag too.

Not just the tag.  Made sure he caught the throw before moving to make the tag.  Many catchers forget to catch first tag second on close plays like that.
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2017, 10:10:50 am »


Quote from: HudsonHawk on May 12, 2017, 10:00:20 am
I was on a conference call with people in Indonesia, and was watching it on my phone sitting on the table. When the ball was hit, I didn't think they'd be able to get Ellsbury running with two outs. Then I watched Jake, field the ball, and calmly, with no panic, deliver an almost perfect throw. It was all I could no not to shout "YES!!!" into the microphone.  Shout out to McCann on the tag too. Ellsbury still hasn't touched the plate.

Jake's demeanor struck me, too. It almost takes the drama out of it when you rewatch the clip—he's so calm and confident that you don't feel any risk of Ellsbury scoring.
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2017, 10:15:17 am »
Quote from: moriartp on May 12, 2017, 10:10:50 am

Jake's demeanor struck me, too. It almost takes the drama out of it when you rewatch the clip—he's so calm and confident that you don't feel any risk of Ellsbury scoring.

Correa said he told him "I'm giving you the hole," and Marisnick was in for that exact play.
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2017, 10:16:00 am »
Quote from: Jacksonian on May 12, 2017, 10:08:45 am
Not just the tag.  Made sure he caught the throw before moving to make the tag.  Many catchers forget to catch first tag second on close plays like that.

It helped that the throw reached him on the fly. It's much easier to judge that throw than one that bounces. I think most of the time you see a catcher (or any fielder) swipe a tag before catching the ball its on a throw that bounces. But as Hinch said after the game, so many things have to go right to be able to make that play...positioning, the speed of the hit, charging it, the throw, accuracy etc...and the Astros did them all well that time.
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2017, 10:40:36 am »
What a game.   Heard people complaining about Giles, outside of the walk he made some good pitches.
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2017, 10:47:35 am »
Quote from: Navin R Johnson on May 12, 2017, 10:40:36 am
What a game.   Heard people complaining about Giles, outside of the walk he made some good pitches.

the first couple of batters I thought Giles looked as good as I had seen him.
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2017, 11:07:42 am »
Best game-ending Astros defensive play since The Double Play?
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2017, 11:35:58 am »
Quote from: juliogotay on May 12, 2017, 10:47:35 am
the first couple of batters I thought Giles looked as good as I had seen him.

He pitched Ellsbury well. The hit was a defensive poke fluke.

He has to stop walking people.
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2017, 11:51:16 am »
Quote from: JimR on May 12, 2017, 11:35:58 am
He pitched Ellsbury well. The hit was a defensive poke fluke.

He has to stop walking people.

I'm still trying to figure out what those last two pitches to Sanchez were.
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2017, 12:11:49 pm »
wow on the play.  you have to see it to believe it then you are not sure it happened
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2017, 12:17:17 pm »
Quote from: JimR on May 12, 2017, 10:15:17 am
Correa said he told him "I'm giving you the hole,"

NTTAWWT
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2017, 12:56:52 pm »
Quote from: Waldo on May 12, 2017, 12:17:17 pm
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2017, 03:42:07 pm »
The YES guys said we pulled all the OFs in.  I never got to see the whole alignment.  Was it really a Jake-Carlos call?  If so that is fucking awesome.
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2017, 04:08:12 pm »
Quote from: JimR on May 12, 2017, 12:56:52 pm
Be better than this, Waldo.

Lighten up, Jim.
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2017, 09:04:16 pm »
Quote from: Lefty on May 12, 2017, 03:42:07 pm
The YES guys said we pulled all the OFs in.  I never got to see the whole alignment.  Was it really a Jake-Carlos call?  If so that is fucking awesome.

Carlos said it was.
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2017, 04:39:54 pm »
Quote from: Reuben on May 12, 2017, 11:07:42 am
Best game-ending Astros defensive play since The Double Play?

Quite possibly.  However, any play that has direct playoff implications sticks in my mind more.  Like the play in the last week in 2015 in Seattle, with the Astros 1/2 game behind the Angels for the 2nd Wild Card spot with 4 games to go.  Houston trailed the Mariners 6-3 in the 6th inning before that Chris Carter game tying 3-run home run and a Rasmus single allowed the Astros to take a 7-6 lead into the Bottom of the 9th.  Seattle had a pinch runner on 1st when Franklin Gutierrez hit a laser to CF, where Carlos Gomez caught it and fired to 1st to complete the game ending double play.  The Angels lost, moving the Astros ahead of the Angels, never to relinquish the spot. 

Another one that comes to mind, even though it was before that Game 4 2005 NLCS double play, was the 3rd to last game of the 2001 regular season ... the game that turned the Cardinals into the Co-ards.    The Astros were reeling, having lost 8 of 9 to turn a 4.5 game lead to a 1 game hole.  They trailed St. Louis 1-0 in the 8th, when Lance Berkman took over with a bomb in the 8th and an RBI double in the 9th.   On comes Billy the Kid for the save, but he gets into trouble ... bases loaded and 1 out.   He then induced a beautiful Placido Polanco 4-6-3 double play to end it, pulling the Astros even with the Co-ards with 2 to play.  Shane Reynolds would close the door on the season's final day to clinch the #1 seed in the playoffs.   Side note: that was also the last time the Astros franchise could say "all we have to do is win all our home games, and we are World Series champions". 
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2017, 04:58:30 pm »
Fuck anything to do with Gomez...

I like the Jake/Correa Caper...
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2017, 11:35:18 am »
Really good, thorough article on the changes Marisnick made to his swing.

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His swing now is simplified compared with its predecessor. He widened his stance and moved his hands back. His barrel stays longer through the zone, and his chest lands over the plate.

In the past, Marisnick hit a lot of balls to the pull side on the ground. This season, he's hitting more up the middle and in the air. He has cut his ground-ball percentage from 45.2 to 37.3 and increased his fly ball percentage from 35.5 to 46.3, according to FanGraphs.

Well worth a full read.
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2017, 01:31:08 pm »
Quote from: Reuben on June 28, 2017, 11:35:18 am
Really good, thorough article on the changes Marisnick made to his swing.

Well worth a full read.

It was.  This brings up a question that I don't have an answer to.  Marisnick engaged an outside consultant to help him fundamentally change his swing while under contract to the Astros.  I think it's safe to assume, that consultant had/has different ideas about mechanics and the fundamental of swing architecture, evidenced by Marisnick's transformation to what he has become from what he was as a result of working with the Astros batting coaches. 

As an org, I'd be very nervous about an "asset" making fundamental, unapproved changes that are likely to lead to changes in performance.  I wonder what sort of collaboration there was between the Astros batting coach team and the consultant or approval for use of the consultant was garnered, if at all.  For every Marisnick or JD Martinez transformation there is, I'm sure there are countless that fail miserably.
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2017, 01:55:37 pm »
Quote from: das on June 29, 2017, 01:31:08 pm
It was.  This brings up a question that I don't have an answer to.  Marisnick engaged an outside consultant to help him fundamentally change his swing while under contract to the Astros.  I think it's safe to assume, that consultant had/has different ideas about mechanics and the fundamental of swing architecture, evidenced by Marisnick's transformation to what he has become from what he was as a result of working with the Astros batting coaches. 

As an org, I'd be very nervous about an "asset" making fundamental, unapproved changes that are likely to lead to changes in performance.  I wonder what sort of collaboration there was between the Astros batting coach team and the consultant or approval for use of the consultant was garnered, if at all.  For every Marisnick or JD Martinez transformation there is, I'm sure there are countless that fail miserably.

He was a light hitting forever backup/defensive replacement player.  He hit barely over .200 last year.  I would imagine they would have been just fine if he wanted to try something new to get more out of his bat.
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2017, 04:52:26 pm »
The hitting approach described is similar in many aspects to the Charlie Lau method. Fancier terminology like "dynamic adjustment," though.
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Re: The Throw
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2017, 05:18:19 pm »
Quote from: Jacksonian on June 29, 2017, 01:55:37 pm
He was a light hitting forever backup/defensive replacement player.  He hit barely over .200 last year.  I would imagine they would have been just fine if he wanted to try something new to get more out of his bat.

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