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« on: August 20, 2015, 03:21:26 pm »
Fields optioned to Corpus Christi; Velasquez up, per McTaggart tweet moments ago.
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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2015, 03:22:08 pm »
holy cow. Fields is good.
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2015, 03:23:35 pm »
Now that's some roster juggling right there.

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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2015, 03:25:38 pm »
That... is not what I expected.

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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2015, 03:26:34 pm »
holy cow. Fields is good.

The bully needed a fresh arm tonight.
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2015, 03:31:14 pm »
There has to more to this story, as Fields has been absolute money lately.

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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2015, 03:33:12 pm »
The bully needed a fresh arm tonight.

That's also the room you'll need for McCullers this weekend.  In 10 days, everyone is back up.
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2015, 03:35:42 pm »
That's also the room you'll need for McCullers this weekend.  In 10 days, everyone is back up.
But there are games to be won between now and then, and Fields can help towards that goal.  More so than Carter or Valbuena, IMO.

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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2015, 03:42:20 pm »
But there are games to be won between now and then, and Fields can help towards that goal.  More so than Carter or Valbuena, IMO.

Not if he can't pitch for the next few days

Secondly, the team is going to have McCullers pitch.  Period.  Someone has to go.  Would you rather DFA Keuchel?  McHugh? Feldman? Fiers? Kazmir? Harris? Neshek? Gregerson? Either of the two lefties in the pen?  Fields has options and will be back up in 10 days. 
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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2015, 03:45:04 pm »
Not if he can't pitch for the next few days

Secondly, the team is going to have McCullers pitch.  Period.  Someone has to go.  Would you rather DFA Keuchel?  McHugh? Feldman? Fiers? Kazmir? Harris? Neshek? Gregerson? Either of the two lefties in the pen?  Fields has options and will be back up in 10 days.

And it makes VV available for the 14 inning game that's scheduled tonight.
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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2015, 03:45:34 pm »
And it makes VV available for the 14 inning game that's scheduled tonight.

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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2015, 03:52:28 pm »
Valbuena is hitting .278/.355/.472 in 13 games in August.  Yes, he has struggled the last 7 but that means he was even hotter prior to that.  Post All Star, he is .250/.325/.375. Not great but not send down worthy.

As for Carter, I can only assume that the FO is playing with a great deal more info that I have. 

I think HH is correct with the fact the he will be unavailable for at least a few days because he has been used in the last 4 games with one off day in there. 

Fields has never thrown more than 58 1/3 innings in a season.  He is already at 47 combined between MLB & MILB.  Maybe they are trying to control his innings. 

Maybe fields has a slight injury.  Don't want to DL him but by sending him down, he get's 10 days off.  I don't have any indication that is it but it fits the move. 

Instead of complaining because they didn't make the move I wanted, I first try to figure out why they made the move they made. Hind sight will tell if it was the right move or not.



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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2015, 04:01:00 pm »
A couple of points:

1.  You're already in the hole on the bench by being in the AL.  You have to start 9 position players/game instead of 8
2.  You're already carrying 12 pitchers
3.  You have a ton of talent.
4.  Only a few guys have options, the others would have to be released with no chance of having them for the stretch drive.
5.  Everyone on the 40-man is available in 10 days.

Decisions have to be made.  And they're not always easy.  You think this is hard, what if Springer is ready to come back before Sept 1st?
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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2015, 04:04:24 pm »
It may also be that fields is the closest in the ibullpen to VV, has options, and the  bullpen is worn out.
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« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2015, 04:07:26 pm »
It may also be that fields is the closest in the ibullpen to VV, has options, and the  bullpen is worn out.

I'm sure that has a lot to do with it.  But the bottom line is, this organization has way more pitching talent than it has roster spots.  Hell of a spot to be in. 
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« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2015, 04:09:26 pm »
Not if he can't pitch for the next few days

Secondly, the team is going to have McCullers pitch.  Period.  Someone has to go.  Would you rather DFA Keuchel?  McHugh? Feldman? Fiers? Kazmir? Harris? Neshek? Gregerson? Either of the two lefties in the pen?  Fields has options and will be back up in 10 days.

Huh?  I just mentioned Carter and Valbuena as candidates, but to answer your nonsensical question: of course, DFAing Keuchel is what naturally follows.

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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2015, 04:12:53 pm »
Huh?  I just mentioned Carter and Valbuena as candidates, but to answer your nonsensical question: of course, DFAing Keuchel is what naturally follows.

If you can't follow the point, that's not my fault.  So I'll slow it down for you....you need to get rid of a pitcher...who, other than Fields, do you nominate and why?
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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2015, 04:27:40 pm »
If you can't follow the point, that's not my fault.  So I'll slow it down for you....you need to get rid of a pitcher...who, other than Fields, do you nominate and why?
Why a pitcher?  Is that in the rules somewhere?

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« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2015, 05:07:08 pm »
Why a pitcher?  Is that in the rules somewhere?

Because you don't want pitchers having to hit or play the field.  To do that, you need other, non-pitchers, and you need enough of them to field a team.  Given that, and this teams struggle to score runs right now, there are two givens in this scenario:  1) McCullers is coming up, and 2) he's going to replace another pitcher.  If you think getting rid of a position player is a legitimate option, then there's no point in having this discussion.
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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2015, 05:13:15 pm »
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« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2015, 05:17:19 pm »
If you think getting rid of a position player is a legitimate option, then there's no point in having this discussion.

Your condescending remarks mixed with insults don't really qualify as a 'discussion'.
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« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2015, 05:27:12 pm »
Your condescending remarks mixed with insults don't really qualify as a 'discussion'.

The next time you participate in a discussion besides biting my ankles will the first in several years. 
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« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2015, 05:48:15 pm »
Why a pitcher?  Is that in the rules somewhere?

Are you even paying attention? The bully went six last night and four the night before. They needed an arm.
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« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2015, 06:11:52 pm »
holy cow. Fields is good.

He'll be back.  It seems like he's been used a lot.  I hope it is just to give him a 10 day rest.
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« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2015, 06:20:22 pm »
holy cow. Fields is good.

How awesome is it that not a single member of the bullpen doesn't fit that statement

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« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2015, 06:50:04 pm »
Wait until August 31 - some really tough roster decisions coming up.
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« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2015, 07:11:21 pm »
Are you even paying attention? The bully went six last night and four the night before. They needed an arm.
Jeez, are you paying attention?  I never questioned VV coming up, just who was sent down. The pen will also need a good arm tomorrow and the following eight days when Fields is in CC.

I don't know what is so fucking hard about this, or why the proposition is so out of bounds. Simply put, who has helped win more games for the Astros recently, Fields or Carter or Valbuena?  If Fields as an answer to that question is at least plausible, why is it also not plausible that he will help them win more of the next 10 games? 

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« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2015, 02:54:04 am »
Jeez, are you paying attention?  I never questioned VV coming up, just who was sent down. The pen will also need a good arm tomorrow and the following eight days when Fields is in CC.

I don't know what is so fucking hard about this, or why the proposition is so out of bounds. Simply put, who has helped win more games for the Astros recently, Fields or Carter or Valbuena?  If Fields as an answer to that question is at least plausible, why is it also not plausible that he will help them win more of the next 10 games?

Ok, look at it from this POV...

Right now tha Astros are carrying 12 pitchers on the 25-man roster. That leaves 13 position players/hitters. They use 9 of them each game, leaving four on the bench. It's common sense to not use your backup catcher to PH or sub defensively...if your starter gets hurt late, and you've used the backup to PH, you're SOL. That leaves 3 on the bench, and if someone is banged up (Rasmus, for instance) or I'll (Gomez, anyone?), you're backed into a corner of having a pitcher PH.

As others have said, Fields has pitched three of the last four nights. He's NOT going to available to pitch again for a few days, so what waste the roster spot?  With Sept. 1 call-ups less that 10 days away, he's back then.

Better to have a fresh McCullers and a fresh Velasquez for a few days, than to hang on to an unavailable Fields.

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« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2015, 03:29:26 am »

As others have said, Fields has pitched three of the last four nights. He's NOT going to available to pitch again for a few days, so what waste the roster spot?  With Sept. 1 call-ups less that 10 days away, he's back then.

Better to have a fresh McCullers and a fresh Velasquez for a few days, than to hang on to an unavailable Fields.

Yes.  That Fields has been plowed.
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« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2015, 06:09:36 am »
Jeez, are you paying attention?  I never questioned VV coming up, just who was sent down. The pen will also need a good arm tomorrow and the following eight days when Fields is in CC.

I don't know what is so fucking hard about this, or why the proposition is so out of bounds. Simply put, who has helped win more games for the Astros recently, Fields or Carter or Valbuena?  If Fields as an answer to that question is at least plausible, why is it also not plausible that he will help them win more of the next 10 games?

Normally, you're a fairly bright guy. Why can't you see that Fields roster spot was going to be unavailable due to use? I agree with the decision, particularly given the decision to carry 12 pitchers. I think that going with 12 position players would be very risky, even fool-hardy, because that would effectively leave only two usable players (assuming that you don't burn your backup catcher, although Hinch has done that several times this season).
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« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2015, 09:04:19 am »
He'll be back.  It seems like he's been used a lot.  I hope it is just to give him a 10 day rest.

yes, this is correct. I thought about it some more after my kneejerk reaction.
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« Reply #31 on: August 21, 2015, 09:41:08 am »
Normally, you're a fairly bright guy. Why can't you see that Fields roster spot was going to be unavailable due to use? I agree with the decision, particularly given the decision to carry 12 pitchers. I think that going with 12 position players would be very risky, even fool-hardy, because that would effectively leave only two usable players (assuming that you don't burn your backup catcher, although Hinch has done that several times this season).

Agree. Couple that with the fact that a struggling offense will be going up against some very good pitching during this stretch, a winning strategy is to understand the excellent starters (on both sides) may lead to a number of 0-0, 1-1 scores thru 7 or 8 and then make sure you have the right resources to win in late/extras.  All made moot by a soupbone being dropped on the likes of Grienke or Kershaw but not probable...
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« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2015, 11:25:31 am »
Why jump on jbm? The Astros have carried 13 pitchers for large stretches of this season. I'm sure this included times when 1 or 2 hitters were not 100%. So his suggestion that 6-7 days of Fields being available might be more valuable from the Astros' point of view than 10 days of Carter doesn't seem crazy to me.
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« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2015, 12:56:27 pm »
It's funny how a majority of this board went from criticizing every move the front office made to giving Luhnow the benefit of the doubt on pretty much everything.  It's not surprising given the team's performance, but the tone was strikingly different a year ago. 

I am a HUGE Luhnow guy and have backed him from the start, but I lean toward jbm on this - and more generally towards questioning the affection the front office has with Carter.

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« Reply #34 on: August 21, 2015, 01:38:08 pm »
It's funny how a majority of this board went from criticizing every move the front office made


This is just not true.  Outside the PR blunders and Conger trade I don't recall any harsh criticism on this board.

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« Reply #35 on: August 21, 2015, 02:56:51 pm »
This is just not true.  Outside the PR blunders and Conger trade I don't recall any harsh criticism on this board.

The tear-down trades did not go over well.

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« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2015, 03:09:18 pm »
Michael Bourn I remember as an unpopular trade, but didn't that predate Luhnow?  Conger was baffling, and I'm a bit baffled by CarGo, but there's no huge upswell of distrust.  Chuck was pretty vocal about why they weren't spending enough, but that was Chuck.
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« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2015, 03:39:54 pm »
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« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2015, 09:14:44 pm »
Tucker sent down to make room for McCullers.

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« Reply #39 on: August 22, 2015, 09:15:57 pm »
Tucker sent down to make room for McCullers.

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« Reply #40 on: August 22, 2015, 09:18:30 pm »
It is about options.  Tucker has them.  Plus Tucker can play everyday for a few days until Sept. Call ups. He wasn't getting everyday playing time in Houston.
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« Reply #41 on: August 22, 2015, 09:22:13 pm »
So Marwin is the 4th OF till Springer returns?
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« Reply #42 on: August 22, 2015, 09:24:02 pm »
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« Reply #43 on: August 22, 2015, 09:47:54 pm »
Post game show they are saying that because of Tucker being sent down, he can't be on the playoff roster unless someone gets hurt.   SMH
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« Reply #44 on: August 22, 2015, 10:02:36 pm »
Post game show they are saying that because of Tucker being sent down, he can't be on the playoff roster unless someone gets hurt.   SMH

Why smh? When Springer returns he would get little playing time. Rasmussen should play before him. He is not a good OFer.
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« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2015, 10:14:08 pm »
Post game show they are saying that because of Tucker being sent down, he can't be on the playoff roster unless someone gets hurt.   SMH

Guys who are on the DL as of Aug. 31 qualify for postseason eligibility. If they are still on the DL come playoff time, you're allowed to designate any player in your organization as a replacement (as long as they were there in the organization on Aug. 31). With a couple of guys on the DL currently (Deduno and Peacock) and who'll still be there come the postseason, there won't be any problem selecting Tucker as a "replacement". In other words, if the Astros want him on the playoff roster he will be.

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Without going into detail (like I did in the above), Drellich just confirmed Tucker remains postseason eligible "because he’s already in the organization".

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« Reply #46 on: August 23, 2015, 10:15:15 am »
Guys who are on the DL as of Aug. 31 qualify for postseason eligibility. If they are still on the DL come playoff time, you're allowed to designate any player in your organization as a replacement (as long as they were there in the organization on Aug. 31). With a couple of guys on the DL currently (Deduno and Peacock) and who'll still be there come the postseason, there won't be any problem selecting Tucker as a "replacement". In other words, if the Astros want him on the playoff roster he will be.

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Without going into detail (like I did in the above), Drellich just confirmed Tucker remains postseason eligible "because he’s already in the organization".

So it's basically the 40-man roster that's eligible?
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« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2015, 10:37:52 am »
So it's basically the 40-man roster that's eligible?

The 40-man as of August 31st, provided you have players on the DL.  You can't trade for or sign a guy in September and have him eligible.  And you're still limited to just 25 guys.
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« Reply #48 on: August 23, 2015, 10:42:10 am »
It is about options.  Tucker has them.  Plus Tucker can play everyday for a few days until Sept. Call ups. He wasn't getting everyday playing time in Houston.

It was Tucker or Marisnick (who has options as well). Marisnick is the much better defender (duh) and has been hitting better over the last 10 days (~.400). Seemes like a no-brainier.
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« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2015, 11:07:33 am »
Can a player agree to go to the minors, or if they are out of options is that not possible?  And if you send them to the minors they are then considered a free agent.

Getting Carter a couple weeks work of ABs seems like it would be good for him.

Also do we know what players we put thru waivers and didnt get claimed?

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« Reply #50 on: August 23, 2015, 11:15:56 am »


Can a player agree to go to the minors, or if they are out of options is that not possible?  And if you send them to the minors they are then considered a free agent.

Getting Carter a couple weeks work of ABs seems like it would be good for him.

Also do we know what players we put thru waivers and didnt get claimed?

A player with no options has to be put on waivers no matter what. If he clears waivers then he can choose minors or become a free agent. Lastly we usually but don't always know which guys are put through trade waivers and if they are claimed.

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« Reply #51 on: August 23, 2015, 01:01:38 pm »
Luhnow today on radio pre-show "Tucker will be on the roster if we make the playoffs." 

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« Reply #52 on: August 23, 2015, 01:01:53 pm »

A player with no options has to be put on waivers no matter what. If he clears waivers then he can choose minors or become a free agent. Lastly we usually but don't always know which guys are put through trade waivers and if they are claimed.

A player who is out of options must be "outrighted" to the minors.  This means he must clear "outright waivers", and must be removed from the 40-man roster.  A player can elect free agency instead of the minors assignment if he has at least five years of Major League service time, or if he three years and he has already been outrighted once in his career. 
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« Reply #53 on: August 23, 2015, 04:37:53 pm »
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« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2015, 11:22:28 pm »
Luhnow today on radio pre-show "Tucker will be on the roster if we make the playoffs."

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« Reply #55 on: August 24, 2015, 10:30:45 am »
Luhnow today on radio pre-show "Tucker will be on the roster if we make the playoffs."

"will" instead of "can" because you don't need to carry more than 11 (or at most 12) pitchers in a short playoff series, right?
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« Reply #56 on: August 24, 2015, 08:46:30 pm »
Chris Carter with 3 starts in the last 4 games.  O-for-4 with 3 K's and a foul pop up tonight. 

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« Reply #57 on: August 24, 2015, 08:59:59 pm »
Chris Carter with 3 starts in the last 4 games.  O-for-4 with 3 K's and a foul pop up tonight. 

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« Reply #58 on: August 24, 2015, 09:28:33 pm »
Chris Carter with 3 starts in the last 4 games.  O-for-4 with 3 K's and a foul pop up tonight.

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« Reply #59 on: August 24, 2015, 09:35:37 pm »
Carlos Gomez last drove in a run on August 4th.  Since then he is 7 for 60, all singles, with 16 punchouts.

I may be in a small minority, but I think Gomez will be fine when he relaxes and quits trying to hit the ball to the moon. I think he has looked much better lately.

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« Reply #60 on: August 24, 2015, 09:38:59 pm »
I may be in a small minority, but I think Gomez will be fine when he relaxes and quits trying to hit the ball to the moon. I think he has looked much better lately.

I agree he's much better hitter than what he's shown.  But he's been a glaring hole, and is a big part of the reason the Astros haven't been scoring runs.

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« Reply #61 on: August 24, 2015, 09:44:37 pm »
Carlos Gomez last drove in a run on August 4th.  Since then he is 7 for 60, all singles, with 16 punchouts. 

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« Reply #62 on: August 25, 2015, 06:54:25 am »
I may be in a small minority, but I think Gomez will be fine when he relaxes and quits trying to hit the ball to the moon. I think he has looked much better lately.

The game tonight? Gattis with runners at second and third with one out, and he chops the ball to 1B with the infield in.

I agree about Gomez. He's trying to hit a five run home run every trip up there. He needs to relax and let the game slow down and come to him. Of course, that's easier said than done. However, I like Gomez.
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« Reply #63 on: August 25, 2015, 08:19:51 am »
I can't help but think Gomez is playing hurt or something. 

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« Reply #64 on: August 25, 2015, 10:18:52 am »
I can't help but think Gomez is playing hurt or something.

I think it's "or something".  Trying to prove his worth and value to his new team.  He seems to have gelled with the team, personality-wise, so I imagine the desire to produce and be a contributing part of the fun this team clearly is having is immense.
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« Reply #65 on: August 25, 2015, 10:29:43 am »
I think it's "or something".  Trying to prove his worth and value to his new team.  He seems to have gelled with the team, personality-wise, so I imagine the desire to produce and be a contributing part of the fun this team clearly is having is immense.

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« Reply #66 on: August 25, 2015, 12:24:59 pm »
I agree.

Maybe the outfield assist yesterday will take off some pressure.

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« Reply #67 on: August 25, 2015, 02:26:10 pm »
I think it's "or something".  Trying to prove his worth and value to his new team.  He seems to have gelled with the team, personality-wise, so I imagine the desire to produce and be a contributing part of the fun this team clearly is having is immense.

I agree that he looks fine and healthy in the field but I don't think I've seen him even square up one ball in the last 4 weeks.  Even if he's "trying too hard" you would think he would at least run into a pitch or 2 over that stretch.

I don't know, but lucky for him nobody else is exactly lighting it up at the plate other than Altuve.

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« Reply #68 on: August 25, 2015, 02:33:53 pm »
I agree that he looks fine and healthy in the field but I don't think I've seen him even square up one ball in the last 4 weeks.  Even if he's "trying too hard" you would think he would at least run into a pitch or 2 over that stretch.

I don't know, but lucky for him nobody else is exactly lighting it up at the plate other than Altuve.

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« Reply #69 on: August 25, 2015, 03:57:57 pm »
he squared up the foul HR on Sunday off Kershaw.

Ah that's true. 

So there's one.

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« Reply #70 on: August 25, 2015, 09:33:40 pm »

Ah that's true. 

So there's one.

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« Reply #71 on: August 25, 2015, 10:39:01 pm »
Added a few to the tally today.  This offense could be tuned up if he gets it going and springer returns and works the rust off.


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« Reply #72 on: August 26, 2015, 08:24:00 am »
He certainly did.  It was fun to watch.