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Lineup when Springer returns?
« on: August 03, 2015, 09:19:31 am »
Does he go straight back to the leadoff spot, or do the additions since he was injured change that?

Springer, Altuve, CarGo, Correa?  Or Altuve, Cargo, Correa, Correa, Gattis, Springer?
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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2015, 09:30:10 am »
Does he go straight back to the leadoff spot, or do the additions since he was injured change that?

Springer, Altuve, CarGo, Correa?  Or Altuve, Cargo, Correa, Correa, Gattis, Springer?

Ugh, you got to get Gattis and his horrendous OBP lower in the order. 


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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2015, 09:38:10 am »
The only spots I think are given are, Altuve either 1 or 2, and Correa 3rd. 
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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2015, 09:39:55 am »
I would like to see at least one LHer in the top 4 of the lineup against a RH pitcher.

Really, it doesn't matter. Hinch will mix it up almost daily.

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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2015, 12:19:39 pm »
Or Altuve, Cargo, Correa, Correa, Gattis, Springer?

Love where you are headed with this one, but I think we should spread out Correa's two spots in the order. First, so that he isn't on base when his spot comes up again, and second so it isn't super obvious to the ump and opponents. My choice:

Correa, Altuve, Springer, Cargo, Lowrie, Correa, Altuve, Springer, Cargo.

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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2015, 12:22:48 pm »
I think that would solve some real offensive problems.
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Re: Lineup when Springer returns?
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2015, 12:27:54 pm »
I would like to see at least one LHer in the top 4 of the lineup against a RH pitcher.

Really, it doesn't matter. Hinch will mix it up almost daily.

That's easy.  Tucker bats 4th against righties.    Though there is a possible other candidate.  That's an impressive right/left split.  SSS but over 2x better against righties
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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2015, 12:28:33 pm »
Love where you are headed with this one, but I think we should spread out Correa's two spots in the order. First, so that he isn't on base when his spot comes up again, and second so it isn't super obvious to the ump and opponents. My choice:

Correa, Altuve, Springer, Cargo, Lowrie, Correa, Altuve, Springer, Cargo.


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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2015, 05:13:01 pm »
Ugh, you got to get Gattis and his horrendous OBP lower in the order.

You are fucking batshit crazy. Take your OBP and go home. That is not why he is on the team.
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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2015, 05:14:27 pm »
You are fucking batshit crazy. Take your OBP and go home. That is not why he is on the team.

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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2015, 06:56:08 pm »
That's easy.  Tucker bats 4th against righties.    Though there is a possible other candidate.  That's an impressive right/left split.  SSS but over 2x better against righties
Huh. Some interesting numbers in there. Perhaps most surprising:

Jake Marisnick is doing very well vs. RHP - .275/.319/.396.
Against LHP, he's been horrendous - .161/.184/.312.

Not what you'd expect from a RH batter; I wonder what's going on? For me, if Jake could hit .275/.319/.396 overall I'd happily take him as my full-time CF.
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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2015, 10:54:50 pm »
You are fucking batshit crazy. Take your OBP and go home. That is not why he is on the team.

I'm well aware that he's on the team to get RBIs.  But his all or nothing approach better fits a spot lower in the batting order.  Putting guys like Lowrie who collects RBIs and gets on base for the next guy.  It's my opinion that after Springer returns, Gattis should hit 6th.  7th on games Tucker plays.    He'll still get his RBI opportunities batting 6th. 

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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2015, 12:49:53 pm »
I'm well aware that he's on the team to get RBIs.  But his all or nothing approach better fits a spot lower in the batting order.  Putting guys like Lowrie who collects RBIs and gets on base for the next guy.  It's my opinion that after Springer returns, Gattis should hit 6th.  7th on games Tucker plays.    He'll still get his RBI opportunities batting 6th.

Yeah, definitely. Just ignore what the whole point of having your big RBI guy in the 4 hole is all about and move him down the 6 or 7.

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Re: Lineup when Springer returns?
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2015, 03:46:59 pm »
Yeah, definitely. Just ignore what the whole point of having your big RBI guy in the 4 hole is all about and move him down the 6 or 7.

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Why is what he's saying so crazy? It would be one thing if Gattis were clearly the best RBI guy on the team. Sure, he has the most RBI to this point, but you could argue that springer, Correa, Tucker or even Rasmus are better - all have SLG% as good as Gattis or better. Hell, even Conger and Lowrie have a higher SLG% than Gattis right now.

One possible lineup once Springer returns:

Altuve
Gomez
Correa
Springer
Tucker
Gattis
Lowrie
Valbuena
Castro

That doesn't seem so crazy to me, and there's an argument to be made that Lowrie should be higher.
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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2015, 03:54:56 pm »
GIven that Gattis often hits 5th (like tonight) he will likely be hitting 6th (or 4th or 5th) many games once Springer is back. 
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« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2015, 04:06:08 pm »
Why is what he's saying so crazy? It would be one thing if Gattis were clearly the best RBI guy on the team. Sure, he has the most RBI to this point, but you could argue that springer, Correa, Tucker or even Rasmus are better - all have SLG% as good as Gattis or better. Hell, even Conger and Lowrie have a higher SLG% than Gattis right now.

One possible lineup once Springer returns:

Altuve
Gomez
Correa
Springer
Tucker
Gattis
Lowrie
Valbuena
Castro

That doesn't seem so crazy to me, and there's an argument to be made that Lowrie should be higher.

The main issue that I have with this is what become clear when you add the following:

Altuve (R)
Gomez (R)
Correa (R)
Springer (R)
Tucker (L)
Gattis (R)
Lowrie (S)
Valbuena (L)
Castro (L)

Lowrie has uncharacteristically hit better as a RH batter this season, but he historically has hit better as a lefty (and slugs considerably better .434 vs .365).  Not sure what exactly the lineup will be, but I'd rather not have 4 of the last 5 hitters be lefties (plus high swing and miss guy like Gattis).  If the table is set by the top of the order in the later innings of a crucial game, I wouldn't want the opposing manager to bring in the lefty without a second thought. 

I guess my ideal lineup would exclude Valbuena.





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« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2015, 04:38:07 pm »
For those interested, this is a ranking of Astros by the percent of time they've driven in a runner on base this year:
Jose Altuve - 18.3
Carlos Correa - 17.4
Evan Gattis - 16.8
Hank Conger  - 15.2
Chris Carter - 15.1
Preston Tucker - 15.0
Colby Rasmus - 13.9
Jonathan Villar - 12.2
Jason Castro - 12.0
Jed Lowrie - 12.0
Marwin Gonzalez - 11.4
George Springer - 10.4
Jake Marisnick - 10.4
Luis Valbuena - 10.3

The data was taken from BP.

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« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2015, 05:37:42 pm »
For those interested, this is a ranking of Astros by the percent of time they've driven in a runner on base this year:
Jose Altuve - 18.3
Carlos Correa - 17.4
Evan Gattis - 16.8
Hank Conger  - 15.2
Chris Carter - 15.1
Preston Tucker - 15.0
Colby Rasmus - 13.9
Jonathan Villar - 12.2
Jason Castro - 12.0
Jed Lowrie - 12.0
Marwin Gonzalez - 11.4
George Springer - 10.4
Jake Marisnick - 10.4
Luis Valbuena - 10.3

The data was taken from BP.

Looks like they need Altuve batting cleanup.
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« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2015, 05:42:48 pm »
ok then who leads off and bats next
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« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2015, 07:00:34 pm »
GIven that Gattis often hits 5th (like tonight) he will likely be hitting 6th (or 4th or 5th) many games once Springer is back. 
Gomez has been very, very good with RISP this year and last, well over .300.  I'd have no problem hitting him 4th/5th after some (depending on matchups with Tucker) combo of Altuve/Springer/Correa/Tucker.  Why can't Gattis bat 5/6?  Those are RBI spots, right?
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« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2015, 07:08:10 pm »
For those interested, this is a ranking of Astros by the percent of time they've driven in a runner on base this year:
Jose Altuve - 18.3
Carlos Correa - 17.4
Evan Gattis - 16.8
Hank Conger  - 15.2
Chris Carter - 15.1
Preston Tucker - 15.0
Colby Rasmus - 13.9
Jonathan Villar - 12.2
Jason Castro - 12.0
Jed Lowrie - 12.0
Marwin Gonzalez - 11.4
George Springer - 10.4
Jake Marisnick - 10.4
Luis Valbuena - 10.3

The data was taken from BP.

Lowrie's slash line with runners on: 423/595/615

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« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2015, 08:05:06 pm »
For those interested, this is a ranking of Astros by the percent of time they've driven in a runner on base this year:
Jose Altuve - 18.3
Carlos Correa - 17.4
Evan Gattis - 16.8
Hank Conger  - 15.2
Chris Carter - 15.1
Preston Tucker - 15.0
Colby Rasmus - 13.9
Jonathan Villar - 12.2
Jason Castro - 12.0
Jed Lowrie - 12.0
Marwin Gonzalez - 11.4
George Springer - 10.4
Jake Marisnick - 10.4
Luis Valbuena - 10.3

The data was taken from BP.

Wouldn"t RISP be a better stat for RBI producers? Ashby just said Tucker is hitting .176 with RISP.

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« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2015, 09:11:51 pm »
Wouldn"t RISP be a better stat for RBI producers? Ashby just said Tucker is hitting .176 with RISP.
Not in my opinion.  A sac fly or properly placed ground out that gets a run home hurts (or at least doesn't help) average with RISP.  Being a "big RBI guy" to me means cashing in on as many RBI opportunities as you can.  Keep in mind those stats include hitting with runners on first base as well, not just hitting with RISP.

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« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2015, 01:11:05 pm »
Yeah, definitely. Just ignore what the whole point of having your big RBI guy in the 4 hole is all about and move him down the 6 or 7.

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« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2015, 01:42:33 pm »
so you make up new rules new teams just so we can have someone bat in the11 hole
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« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2015, 09:10:52 pm »
Leave the top 3 the way it is this is of course against left handed pitchers
Altuve
Gomez
Correa
Springer
Jed Lowrie
Evan Gattis
Preston Tucker
Chris Carter
Hank Conger

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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2015, 12:51:32 am »
That's a whole lot of sucktitude at the plate in the bottom...

Leave the top 3 the way it is this is of course against left handed pitchers
Altuve
Gomez
Correa
Springer
Jed Lowrie
Evan Gattis
Preston Tucker
Chris Carter
Hank Conger

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« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2015, 08:57:03 am »
Leave the top 3 the way it is this is of course against left handed pitchers
Altuve
Gomez
Correa
Springer
Jed Lowrie
Evan Gattis
Preston Tucker
Chris Carter
Hank Conger

I would expect Springer to resume the leadoff role when he comes back and has shaken the rust off.  The question is what to do with Gomez.  5th after Lowrie maybe

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« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2015, 02:31:38 pm »
That's a whole lot of sucktitude at the plate in the bottom...
What? Carter, OK, he's having a terrible year. But Tucker and Conger have hit really well this year. That's actually one of the things I like best about this offense - it has the potential to be very dangerous, 1-9.
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« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2015, 02:33:13 pm »
I get amused by the speculation over the batting order. It changes almost daily.

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« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2015, 03:14:12 pm »
The top 3 has remained the same since Gomez arrived 10 games ago.
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« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2015, 02:46:09 pm »
The top 3 has remained the same since Gomez arrived 10 games ago.

Not today. Shaking it up with Tucker in the 2-hole and Gomez 4th.

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« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2015, 03:09:36 pm »
Not today. Shaking it up with Tucker in the 2-hole and Gomez 4th.

Not sure why you wouldn't put Gomez in between Lowrie and Rasmus for a little S R L action.  But this lineup seems pretty strong either way

ETA. Though Gomez's speed likely factors stronger than the left/right thing
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« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2015, 03:20:28 pm »
Not sure why you wouldn't put Gomez in between Lowrie and Rasmus for a little S R L action.  But this lineup seems pretty strong either way

ETA. Though Gomez's speed likely factors stringer than the left/right thing

Sometimes they like the fast guys higher in the lineup. Just a guess.

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« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2015, 04:38:10 pm »
Springer cleared to swing the bat today.
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« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2015, 10:44:26 am »
Springer cleared to swing the bat today.

He's been swinging a fungo for a few days. Do you mean a real bat or do you mean striking balls?
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« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2015, 10:57:21 am »
He's been swinging a fungo for a few days. Do you mean a real bat or do you mean striking balls?

Both, apparently, starting Friday.  Per Jdjo: 

He started swinging a fungo bat early in the week. Then he hit off a tee and had five swings at balls that were flipped to him Friday.

Springer progressed to hitting soft tosses Saturday. He’s optimistic about taking batting practice next week.
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« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2015, 12:29:50 pm »
Both, apparently, starting Friday.  Per Jdjo: 

He started swinging a fungo bat early in the week. Then he hit off a tee and had five swings at balls that were flipped to him Friday.

Springer progressed to hitting soft tosses Saturday. He’s optimistic about taking batting practice next week.


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« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2015, 10:36:11 am »
Anyone have info on why George Springer didn't play yesterday? 

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« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2015, 10:37:35 am »
Anyone have info on why George Springer didn't play yesterday? 

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« Reply #40 on: September 04, 2015, 12:09:22 pm »
Springer activated for today, after going 1-for-2 with a BB and SB for Corpus last night. Feliz was also called up - maybe they can split the cab fare from the airport.
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« Reply #41 on: September 04, 2015, 02:49:02 pm »
Great news. Maybe Springer will provide a spark.