Aches, Pains & Muscle Strains

[Nate Colbert]

Kinda neat, a google docs spreadsheet containing 40 years of data on players who've undergone TJS.

[Nate Colbert]

Josh Fields--hammy tightness but should be back to work in a day or two.

[juliogotay]

Kinda neat, a google docs spreadsheet containing 40 years of data on players who've undergone TJS.

Had it not been for Tommy John himself this may have been called Brent Strom surgery. And Joe Sambito was like the 6th so-called TJ recipient. I don't remember him ever throwing as hard again after the surgery.

[Nate Colbert]

Are post-TJS pitchers (and other hurlers with past experience with arm problems) the new market inefficiency? Jury's out but the Dodgers may be thinking in that direction.

[juliogotay]

Are post-TJS pitchers (and other hurlers with past experience with arm problems) the new market inefficiency? Jury's out but the Dodgers may be thinking in that direction.

I was hoping the Astros would take in Beachy.

[Nate Colbert]

Kinda neat, a google docs spreadsheet containing 40 years of data on players who've undergone TJS.

Also if you click on the "organizations" tab it will break down number of TJS by team: Rangers (48), Braves (47) and Dodgers (44) had have the most pitchers undergo the knife in that regards. The Astros (20) have had the fewest.

[juliogotay]

Also if you click on the "organizations" tab it will break down number of TJS by team: Rangers (48), Braves (47) and Dodgers (44) had have the most pitchers undergo the knife in that regards. The Astros (20) have had the fewest.

Do any of you  pitching gurus out there have a theory on this? Is it just dumb luck? Certainly over this period of time there have been many pitching coaches with different philosophies come and go in each organization.

[Mr. Happy]

Do any of you  pitching gurus out there have a theory on this? Is it just dumb luck? Certainly over this period of time there have been many pitching coaches with different philosophies come and go in each organization.

I think that it is in part due to proper stretching and conditioning and in part due to dumb luck. The sad fact is that most big league pitching coaches don't know how to address this problem. They actually know far less about the physical act of pitching than you think that they do or should. This slavish reliance upon pitch counts, as if that's going to save an arm, is ludicrous. I understand the reticence about overuse of a pitcher who has a big contract or high ceiling, but at some point, it is a self-fulfilling prophesy-the less you're used, the greater the risk.

Pitchers take about 48 hours to recover from a full pitching outing (by that I mean over 100 game pitches). Then they should be throwing bullpens. And all this malarkey about long-toss or weighted baseballs being solutions also is bunk. However, there are lots of so-called pitching gurus out there who are committing malpractice for pay every day on ball yards across the country. I'd love to see the TJS stats on Japanese professional teams, because they throw the shit out of their pitchers. I strongly suspect that their experience is different.

[juliogotay]

I think that it is in part due to proper stretching and conditioning and in part due to dumb luck. The sad fact is that most big league pitching coaches don't know how to address this problem. They actually know far less about the physical act of pitching than you think that they do or should. This slavish reliance upon pitch counts, as if that's going to save an arm, is ludicrous. I understand the reticence about overuse of a pitcher who has a big contract or high ceiling, but at some point, it is a self-fulfilling prophesy-the less you're used, the greater the risk.

Pitchers take about 48 hours to recover from a full pitching outing (by that I mean over 100 game pitches). Then they should be throwing bullpens. And all this malarkey about long-toss or weighted baseballs being solutions also is bunk. However, there are lots of so-called pitching gurus out there who are committing malpractice for pay every day on ball yards across the country. I'd love to see the TJS stats on Japanese professional teams, because they throw the shit out of their pitchers. I strongly suspect that their experience is different.

What makes those organizational numbers so fascinating to me is that over the period of time of these stats each organization would have had several pitching coaches and possibly many different pitching philosophies. Although the Braves with Mazzone and the Rangers with House both had the same guy for quite a while and we see them at the top of the charts. And they were considered among the best in the business.

[subnuclear]

Do any of you  pitching gurus out there have a theory on this? Is it just dumb luck? Certainly over this period of time there have been many pitching coaches with different philosophies come and go in each organization.

40 years is a lot of pitchers, so I would put a substantial fraction of the difference to statistical variation.

[Duman]

The piece that teams can't control is what happened prior to being drafted/signed.   It is hard to pinpoint one thing.  It is a multifaceted problem

[HudsonHawk]

It's also important to remember the footnote on the spreadsheet that the numbers cited are not complete, as some teams are more free with information on TJ than others. 

[Dark Star]

Pitchers take about 48 hours to recover from a full pitching outing (by that I mean over 100 game pitches). Then they should be throwing bullpens.

This doesn't add anything to the discussion, but I seem to recall 30-40 years ago it was not unusual to see a starter, even a big time starter, used out of the pen for a short stretch on his third day, or throwing day. If the situation called for it. Seems like that as a semi-regular practice would eliminate the need for a bullpen specialist or two.

[Mr. Happy]

This doesn't add anything to the discussion, but I seem to recall 30-40 years ago it was not unusual to see a starter, even a big time starter, used out of the pen for a short stretch on his third day, or throwing day. If the situation called for it. Seems like that as a semi-regular practice would eliminate the need for a bullpen specialist or two.

I agree. But the pitchers probably would complain about disruption in their routines.

[HudsonHawk]

I agree. But the pitchers probably would complain about disruption in their routines.

Pitchers...complaining...?  Say it ain't so...

Also, I'm not sure what the routine used to be with four man rotations, but now pitchers throw either every day or every day but one, and that off day is the day before their next start, or the "fourth" day. 

[Nate Colbert]

I'd love to see the TJS stats on Japanese professional teams, because they throw the shit out of their pitchers. I strongly suspect that their experience is different.

Six man rotations?

[Nate Colbert]

That collision in the OF today in the game against the Phillies? Grossman with a right quad contusion and Villar with a mild right ankle sprain. Both to be re-evaluated tomorrow.

And Fields is getting some time off as the Astros evaluate the right groin strain and whether he'll be ready for opening day.

The latter article also mentions Peacock pitched in a minor league game today and may pitch on Sunday vs the Yankees.

[Nate Colbert]

Peacock in Fresno rehab start goes 4.2 scoreless/hitless frames but very wild with 4 walks, 1 HBP and 1 WP. 88 pitches, just 41 for strikes.

[Nate Colbert]

Josh Fields getting in his rehab work with the Grizzlies, tossing 25 pitches in 1 inning of work (1 walk).

[Nate Colbert]

Josh Fields getting in his rehab work with the Grizzlies, tossing 25 pitches in 1 inning of work (1 walk).

Threw an inning last night for Fresno (15 pitches, 9 strikes) and another inning tonight (10/7). Ready to go.

[Nate Colbert]

Threw an inning last night for Fresno (15 pitches, 9 strikes) and another inning tonight (10/7). Ready to go.

Or not.

Evan Drellich @EvanDrellich  ·   1 hour ago
Josh Fields to get more AAA time.

[Nate Colbert]

Peacock back to DL with injury to left intercostal muscle. Wojo recalled.

The Astros don’t have a timetable for a potential return.

“Unfortunately for this type of injury rest is the only cure,” [Hinch] said. “We’ll shut him down for a little bit and see how he feels.”

[HudsonHawk]

Peacock back to DL with injury to left intercostal muscle. Wojo recalled.

Peacock to the DL so they can bring Wojowhathisname back before his 10 days are up?  Now who could have seen that coming.

[austro]

Also, in the "completely unsurprising" category, Jose Reyes is injured: cracked a rib on a swing. At least this year he made it 8 or 9 days before getting hurt.

[NeilT]

Also, in the "completely unsurprising" category, Jose Reyes is injured: cracked a rib on a swing. At least this year he made it 8 or 9 days before getting hurt.

I keep him fir my fantasy team every year, and every year he's out half the season.  That's what I like about him: his dependability.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Also, in the "completely unsurprising" category, Jose Reyes is injured: cracked a rib on a swing. At least this year he made it 8 or 9 days before getting hurt.

Son of a bitch. I'm glad I also got Joe Church as a back-up in the scoresheet league.

[Nate Colbert]

Evan Drellich ‏@EvanDrellich  3 minutes ago
Asked if Brad Peacock might not return until after May, Hinch didn’t rule out the possibility— it’s not a quick turnaround. Obie soon though.

[Nate Colbert]

Bad news today for Brandon McCarthy (announced earlier he was out for year with torn UCL and likely to undergo TJS) and now Homer Bailey.

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan  42 minutes ago
Sprained elbow ligament. Sprain another word for tear. Connecting dots, looks like Homer Bailey may need Tommy John.

[Nate Colbert]

Per several tweets, Lowrie is flying back to Houston for an MRI on the right thumb.

Also:

Evan Drellich ‏@EvanDrellich  6 minutes ago
Astros say no roster move until after Lowrie is examined in Houston

[Reuben]

They don't got those fancy MRI machines in San Diego?

[austro]

Per several tweets, Lowrie is flying back to Houston for an MRI on the right thumb.

I wonder where they might find another SS.

[MusicMan]

I wonder where they might find another SS.

I'm 99% certain it will be Villar.

[kevwun]

Most likely, but we can dream.

[pots]

I'm 99% certain it will be Villar.

might depend on the severity of the injury.  2 weeks and it's Villar.  2 months and I don't know.  I can't imagine there is anyone in the organization that believes Villar starting at shortstop is the best option.  They are 3 games up on the rest of the division.  Nothing brings back the fans like the playoffs

[kevwun]

Correa really hasn't needed an adjustment period at any level.  He's about as good of a candidate to take the jump straight from AA in stride as there is.

[Mr. Happy]

Correa really hasn't needed an adjustment at any level.  He's about as good of a candidate to make the jump straight from AA in stride as there is.

This isn't a bad idea.

[juliogotay]

This isn't a bad idea.

No but I am betting they don't go that way (Correa). Marwin would be a solid option if Lowrie is out for a period of time. Villar to serve as the utility role that Marwin is currently doing.

[Jacksonian]

might depend on the severity of the injury.  2 weeks and it's Villar.  2 months and I don't know.  I can't imagine there is anyone in the organization that believes Villar starting at shortstop is the best option.  They are 3 games up on the rest of the division.  Nothing brings back the fans like the playoffs

I would imagine it would take Lowrie being out the entire year for Correa to be called up at any time this year.

[Mr. Happy]

I would imagine it would take Lowrie being out the entire year for Correa to be called up at any time this year.

You're probably right. However, Altuve skipped AAA, so there is some precedent for it.

[juliogotay]

I would imagine it would take Lowrie being out the entire year for Correa to be called up at any time this year.

I can't think of a single position player I would hate to lose for an extended period of time than Lowrie. He is usually in the middle of anything good happening with this team on this streak.

[Mr. Happy]

I can't think of a single position player I would hate to lose for an extended period of time than Lowrie. He is usually in the middle of anything good happening with this team on this streak.

Agreed. He's an Astro. I'm so glad that he's back.

[Jacksonian]

I can't think of a single position player I would hate to lose for an extended period of time than Lowrie. He is usually in the middle of anything good happening with this team on this streak.

Agreed.

[Jacksonian]

You're probably right. However, Altuve skipped AAA, so there is some precedent for it.

He'd have to be added to the 40-man.  There's a reason he's not on it already.  Regardless, a guy like that, once he's in the majors, he's there to stay.  So calling him up isn't like calling up Villar.

[roadrunner]

You're probably right. However, Altuve skipped AAA, so there is some precedent for it.

That was Ed Wade.

[jbm]

That was Ed Wade.

What was wrong with the Altuve move.  Worked out pretty well.

Anyways, 40 man or whatever, if the Astros are in the race during the year and they have what most evaluators consider a pretty ripe superstar in AA that will help them, he's coming up.

[NeilT]

You're probably right. However, Altuve skipped AAA, so there is some precedent for it.

So did Berkman.

[Mr. Happy]

So did Berkman.

I think that I remember a couple of weeks with Berkman in New Orleans, but it wasn't much time there.

[kevwun]

Berkman played for the Zephyrs in 3 different seasons.  He got promoted to AAA at the end of the 98 season and then started there the next year before getting called up 60 something games in.  He started the 2000 season in NOLA again and was there for a month or so before getting called up to the Astros for the final time.

[Navin R Johnson]

Lowrie flying back to Houston doesn't sound good.  I echo the comments above, outside of Altuve there isn't a player we could afford to lose less.

I think regardless of the length of Lowrie's injury, they will go with Marwin for the time being, with Villar backing him up.

2 of Gattis/Carter/Springer starting to hit, would easily offset the loss of Lowrie from a run production standpoint.

[roadrunner]

What was wrong with the Altuve move.  Worked out pretty well.

Nothing at all.  Just pointing out that it was a different regime and the organization was in a much different place.

[NeilT]

Berkman played for the Zephyrs in 3 different seasons.  He got promoted to AAA at the end of the 98 season and then started there the next year before getting called up 60 something games in.  He started the 2000 season in NOLA again and was there for a month or so before getting called up to the Astros for the final time.

I know better than to ever trust my memory.

[pots]

Luhnow on Carlos Correa and Mark Appel "we're not gonna hesitate to bring them straight up from double-A if the need arises"

[Navin R Johnson]

Luhnow on Carlos Correa and Mark Appel "we're not gonna hesitate to bring them straight up from double-A if the need arises"]https://twitter.com/MLBNetworkRadio/status/586205546157576192]Luhnow on Carlos Correa and Mark Appel "we're not gonna hesitate to bring them straight up from double-A if the need arises"

That tweet was from April 9th.  I just don't see them calling up CC at this point, but it would be exciting as hell if they did.

[pots]

That tweet was from April 9th.  I just don't see them calling up CC at this point, but it would be exciting as hell if they did.

Exactly, that was before he started abusing the pitchers of the Texas League.  Certainly shows Luhnow isn't adverse to skipping AAA.   Though I imagine more than 16 games at AA was likely in his thinking. 

For those that don't make it over to the bus.  No idea where this landed

[geezerdonk]

I think that Martinez came straight from Corpus Christi too.

[pots]

Pooholes skipped AA and had a whole 14 ABs at AAA

[HudsonHawk]

I had a discussion the other day with a guy about superstar players, and the importance of arriving in the big leagues at a very early age.  If a guy doens't make the bigs until he's 23 or 24, he's likely not going to be a truly great player.  I didn't have the time nor the data to argue with the guy, but he made an interesting point about the value of trial by fire for the truly great ones.  Not sure if that would apply to Correa or not, but grist for the mill. 

[Reuben]

He's not on the 40-man, and I'm not advocating making him the starting SS, but Fontana is off to a nice start in AAA, and would be an interesting leadoff or #2 hitter experiment. I'm curious what the Astros' plan is for him, considering they also have Marwin, Villar, Sclafani and Torreyes as middle IF utility types, all at AAA or MLB. Not to mention Lowrie may shift into a Zobrist-esque super-utility role (wild-ass guess) once Correa is ready.

[Navin R Johnson]

How is Fontana defensively? 

Marwin is solid, Villar to erratic.   If Jed is out for an extended period, Im for putting the best defensive option at SS and hoping the middle of the order guys start carrying their weight.

[jbm]

In my limited viewing, he will ultimately be in the Lowrie/Gonzales category: not much range, but dependable.  However, as a rookie, there might be some inconsistency. 

[juliogotay]

He's not on the 40-man, and I'm not advocating making him the starting SS, but Fontana is off to a nice start in AAA, and would be an interesting leadoff or #2 hitter experiment. I'm curious what the Astros' plan is for him, considering they also have Marwin, Villar, Sclafani and Torreyes as middle IF utility types, all at AAA or MLB. Not to mention Lowrie may shift into a Zobrist-esque super-utility role (wild-ass guess) once Correa is ready.

Fontana is interesting. He has had a fairly fast ascent despite not really excelling at any level. It's all about the OBP with him.

[Navin R Johnson]

Villar not in the Fresno lineup today...

[pots]

Villar not in the Fresno lineup today...

I'm going to presuppose this into a positive sign that Lowrie will only be out a short stint

[Nate Colbert]

Evan Drellich ‏@EvanDrellich  1 hour ago
Brett Oberholtzer's first rehab start with affiliate shaping up to be Thursday with AAA Fresno.

[Navin R Johnson]

Villar has been called up.

[juliogotay]

Villar has been called up.

Was Lowrie placed on DL?

[doyce7]

Was Lowrie placed on DL?

Length of injury hasn't been announced yet that I can see but yes he's on the DL. I don't like it one bit

[jbm]

15 day?

[doyce7]

15 day?

I'm assuming 15 day unless he broke it or tore something. Nothing announced as yet but villar is in San Diego and is listed as a sub on the lineup card.

[Nate Colbert]

Brian McTaggart ⚾️ ‏@brianmctaggart  1 minute ago
Lowrie on DL with a ligament tear in his right thumb. The tear will require surgery and will sideline him until after the All-Star Break.

Motherfucker.

[Navin R Johnson]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.

[das]

Brian McTaggart ⚾️ ‏@brianmctaggart  1 minute ago
Lowrie on DL with a ligament tear in his right thumb. The tear will require surgery and will sideline him until after the All-Star Break.

Motherfucker.

Crap. Middle of the order needs to step up. Good to see Carter and Gatis headed in the right direction the last week.

[austro]

Brian McTaggart ⚾️ ‏@brianmctaggart  1 minute ago
Lowrie on DL with a ligament tear in his right thumb. The tear will require surgery and will sideline him until after the All-Star Break.

Motherfucker.

Let me echo Navin: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.

[doyce7]

Nearly worst case scenario. Jed was playing so well. Tough break

[remy]

What is Jed may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger.

[Nate Colbert]

FOX Sports: MLB ‏@MLBONFOX  40 minutes ago
#Yankees announce Masahiro Tanaka has tendinitis in right wrist & a mild right forearm strain, will be placed on DL.

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan  28 minutes ago
The seeming inevitability of Tommy John for Masahiro Tanaka grows with every injury. Tough to pitch hurt and not have something else suffer.

Peter Botte ‏@PeterBotte  37 minutes ago
Cashman said no change in Tanaka's elbow, but when asked if this might be a Tommy John precursor, said "Could be."

[doyce7]

What is Jed may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger.

Quote of the day. Iron born til death

[Nate Colbert]

Obie tosses 61 pitches in just 2.2 innings for Fresno in rehab start, allowing 7 runs on 7 hits with a walk and a WP.

[doyce7]

Obie tosses 61 pitches in just 2.2 innings for Fresno in rehab start, allowing 7 runs on 7 hits with a walk and a WP.

Ouch

[kevwun]

He gave up all 7 runs in the first inning.  Tacoma scored 13 runs in the game, all of which happened in 2 innings.

[Nate Colbert]

Much better rehab start for Oberholtzer tonight--5.1 IP 4 H 0 R 0 W 9 K. 72 pitches, 55 strikes.

[doyce7]

Much better rehab start for Oberholtzer tonight--5.1 IP 4 H 0 R 0 W 9 K. 72 pitches, 55 strikes.

Wonder how close he is to replacing deduno in the rotation, he's really needed.

[Nate Colbert]

Jose de Jesus Ortiz ‏@OrtizKicks  1 hour ago
Obie will come off the DL to start Wednesday.

[Nate Colbert]

Brian McTaggart ⚾️ ‏@brianmctaggart  8 minutes ago
Jeff Luhnow said there is a pretty good chance that Springer plays in a rehab game tomorrow at San Antonio. Could rejoin Astros Wednesday.

Not injury related, but McTaggart also tweeted Gregerson is to return tomorrow.

[Nate Colbert]

Evan Drellich ‏@EvanDrellich  3 minutes ago Houston, TX
Brad Peacock has been throwing from flat ground for three days now. Out to 90 feet but still has a ways to go before he gets on mound.

[Reuben]

Springer is DH'ing for Corpus tonight and has gone 1-4 with a single.

[Nate Colbert]

In an absolute shocker, Oberholtzer back to the DL (per tweets).

[austro]

In an absolute shocker, Oberholtzer back to the DL (per tweets).

Wojo back up? He's on the same starting schedule.

[Nate Colbert]

Evan Drellich ‏@EvanDrellich  43 minutes ago Houston, TX
Jake Buchanan coming up to Astros. Look for him to relieve as opposed to start in place of Oberholtzer.

[Fredia]

is he that good? better options?

[jbm]

He's arguably as good as the other options at the moment and he seems to fit the long relief role.

It really sucks about Obie.  Watching him last night, even though he wasn't near his best, made me feel much better about the strength of the rotation as he's pretty solid for a bottom of the rotation guy, IMO.  Hope this fucking blister issue gets healed.

[juliogotay]

He's arguably as good as the other options at the moment and he seems to fit the long relief role.

It really sucks about Obie.  Watching him last night, even though he wasn't near his best, made me feel much better about the strength of the rotation as he's pretty solid for a bottom of the rotation guy, IMO.  Hope this fucking blister issue gets healed.

In his post-game interview Obie didn't seem as concerned about this as it may seem. It is not a full-blown blister but the top of the callous like skin had come off. There was no blood. It seems more like a pre-cautionary thing to try to prevent it from getting to the full-blown state. Nonetheless, this is a setback that will make him unavailable until sometime in June I would think if he does a rehab start in AAA.

[das]

In his post-game interview Obie didn't seem as concerned about this as it may seem. It is not a full-blown blister but the top of the callous like skin had come off. There was no blood. It seems more like a pre-cautionary thing to try to prevent it from getting to the full-blown state. Nonetheless, this is a setback that will make him unavailable until sometime in June I would think if he does a rehab start in AAA.

I know this would impact "feel" a bit but I wonder if nu-skin (or some similar) is legal.  It would not add anything to the ball so I'd think it would be allowable.

[juliogotay]

I know this would impact "feel" a bit but I wonder if nu-skin (or some similar) is legal.  It would not add anything to the ball so I'd think it would be allowable.

Blum said something last night about using superglue. Didn't sound right to me but I heard it.

[subnuclear]

Blum said something last night about using superglue. Didn't sound right to me but I heard it.

Pretty much what they use in emergency rooms for cuts.

[NeilT]

I used to have problems with hand lesions, and I'd keep super glue with me to close them up.  It sloughs off pretty quickly though, and from my experience a pitcher would not be able to keep it on.

Because of how  sensitive the fingers are, just about any kind of blister or cut can feel 10 times worse than it really is.

[juliogotay]

Nolan needs to speak to Obie about pickle brine.

[Navin R Johnson]

Nolan needs to speak to Obie about pickle brine.

Probably a better suggestion than seeking advice from Moisés Alou...

[Ebby Calvin]

Probably a better suggestion than seeking advice from Moisés Alou...

I think that one goes:

"Dude.  Just pee on it."

[drew corleone]

I wonder if Gattis takes that approach, considering that he eschews batting gloves.

[Dark Star]

I've noticed I whiz on my hands more these days - more so than I did when I was younger. Perhaps, as I age - and the production of natural emollients wane - it is just nature's way of keeping the skin on my hands strong and supple.

[Fredia]

from a female perspective ewww

[MusicMan]

Per twitter, Deduno to 15-day DL and Lowrie to 60-day to make room for McCullers.

[Reuben]

Per twitter, Deduno to 15-day DL and Lowrie to 60-day to make room for McCullers.

Is Deduno injured, or is he "injured"?

[Nate Colbert]

Is Deduno injured, or is he "injured"?

You decide:

Long reliever Sam Deduno went for an MRI on Tuesday afternoon to investigate his lower right back strain. General manager Jeff Luhnow called it precautionary. Deduno said the discomfort had been building for a while, since spring training. He said he feels the soreness in the area of his right hip.

Link

[remy]

X-rays negative on Fields' knee after taking hit from line drive.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2015/05/21/astros-josh-fields-leaves-game-after-being-hit-by-line-drive/#31931101=0

[Nate Colbert]

Rehab start in Fresno of 4-5 innings for Obie on Sunday or Monday.

[Nate Colbert]

Rehab start in Fresno of 4-5 innings for Obie on Sunday or Monday.

ICYMI, that rehab start finally happened today with Obie throwing 85 pitches and allowing 1 earned run on 5 hits (including 2 gophers) in 4.2 IP.

[subnuclear]

Crap. Feldman out 4-6 weeks with knee meniscus tear.

[juliogotay]

Crap. Feldman out 4-6 weeks with knee meniscus tear.

Did you get any info on when/how that happened? I don't recall an on-field issue.

[subnuclear]

Did you get any info on when/how that happened? I don't recall an on-field issue.

Drellich said Feldman was icing his knee after his last start, though when asked about it at the time he said it was routine.

[geezerdonk]

Washing his pickup.

[Fredia]

better than a treadmill

[Nate Colbert]

Obie to start Monday.

From the same article:

Astros right-hander Brad Peacock, who's been on the disabled list since April 17 with a left intercostal strain, threw in the bullpen Friday for the first time since going on the DL. He threw 25 pitches, mostly fastballs, and said he feels good. He'll throw again Monday, with hopes of going on Minor League rehab in the next week or two.

[Nate Colbert]

First outing since being DL'd:

Fresno Grizzlies ‏@FresnoGrizzlies  2 hours ago
#Astros Rehab Update: RHP Sam Deduno goes 1.0 IP, allowing one run, walking four (one IBB), striking out two and tossing two wild pitches.

[Ebby Calvin]

First outing since being DL'd:

I bet that was a fun inning to watch.

[Nate Colbert]

Fresno Grizzlies ‏@FresnoGrizzlies  2 hours ago
#Astros Rehab Update: RHP Sam Deduno goes 1.0 IP, allowing one run, walking four (one IBB), striking out two and tossing two wild pitches.

Shut down again because of the hip pain.

[Nate Colbert]

From the Hooks game notes:

Brad Peacock is slated to throw live batting practice tomorrow afternoon in advance of his rehab assignment with Corpus Christi. Peacock is expected to make multiple starts for the Hooks over the next couple weeks.

[das]

From the Hooks game notes:

Gotta be honest, I'd kinda forgotten about Peacock. This is good news if he can shore up the back of the rotation in a month.

[chuck]

Brad Peacock is slated to throw live batting practice tomorrow afternoon

This should be excellent preparation for his return to Houston.

[Fredia]

rim shot

[Nate Colbert]

Peacock threw his first live game outing for the Hooks last night. 2 scoreless  with a couple of hits and a walk allowed. 37 pitches/22 strikes.

[HudsonHawk]

Altuve day to day.  He'll miss at least tomorrow. 

[Nate Colbert]

Evan Drellich ‏@EvanDrellich  33 minutes ago Houston, TX
Brad Peacock had set back with intercostal. Returning to Houston

[Nate Colbert]

Evan Drellich ‏@EvanDrellich  52 seconds ago Denver, CO
Altuve won't play tomorrow. Hinch didn't like body language he was seeing.

[Mr. Happy]

That's a bit ambiguous.

[Reuben]

That's a bit ambiguous.

He wasn't limping in that "come hither" kinda way.

[HudsonHawk]

Marisnick leaves the game today, after coming up limping  legging out a sac bunt.  Also looked like a hamstring.

[Nate Colbert]

Marisnick leaves the game today, after coming up limping  legging out a sac bunt.  Also looked like a hamstring.

To DL, per tweets.

[HudsonHawk]

To DL, per tweets.

Well that sucks.  I like having him in CF.  Of course, Springer and Rasmus can fill in fine, but I like what they have.  I suppose this means Santana stays a while.

[doyce7]

Well that sucks.  I like having him in CF.  Of course, Springer and Rasmus can fill in fine, but I like what they have.  I suppose this means Santana stays a while.

I'm hoping maybe the time off will be good for Marisnick. He's been struggling so much maybe this will be like hitting the reset button

[Reuben]

I'm hoping maybe the time off will be good for Marisnick. He's been struggling so much maybe this will be like hitting the reset button

That's my hope as well.

[austro]

That's my hope as well.

Watching Kemp may help him focus.

[jbm]

So, the Chron says that both Feldman and Marisnick are nearing rehab assignments.  I assume Feldman would displace Obie's replacement (still not sure if that is Feliz or someone else) or possibly Singleton if they want to go back to a bigger pen. 

With MarisnicK coming off the DL, I wonder what happens.  Will it definitely be Santana going to Fresno?  Might it be Tucker, or possibly be neither, with Marisnick headed to Fresno?  I assume Marisnick comes back, but it doesn't seem like a slam dunk.

[JimR]

Tucker has come back to earth.

[Reuben]

Tucker has come back to earth.

Ashby has been harping about his front elbow flying up, and a game or two ago I heard Ford say something similar - that he's "chicken-winging" it.

Of course, if Rasmus' bite infection doesn't improve quick, he could be making room by going on the DL. My dad had a MRSA infection and it took a huge toll on him.

[HudsonHawk]

Ashby has been harping about his front elbow flying up, and a game or two ago I heard Ford say something similar - that he's "chicken-winging" it.

Ashby has been annoying as shit about it, as he is about most everything, but he's also exactly correct.  Tucker is dipping his back shoulder something awful. 

[Fredia]

what kind of bug bite is it thats its so bad that you have to miss playing time?

[juliogotay]

what kind of bug bite is it thats its so bad that you have to miss playing time?

There are alot of things out there on a cow farm that will bite you.

[austro]

Santana may just want to concentrate on keeping balls in front of him.

ETA: Intended this for the GZ. Oh well.

[jbm]

Yeah, he's not that good with the glove, but his ABs have been impressive, IMO. But, it could be I just subconsciously set my bar low after last year.

[JimR]

Ashby has been annoying as shit about it, as he is about most everything, but he's also exactly correct.  Tucker is dipping his back shoulder something awful.

His swing has gotten longer, IMO.

[Nate Colbert]

Marisnick begins rehabbing:

Chandler Rome ‏@Chandler_Rome  17 minutes ago
Marisnick is in the AAA lineup tonight. Will DH tomorrow, full game after that.

[Navin R Johnson]

Brian McTaggart ⚾️ ‏@brianmctaggart
I'm hearing it's going to be Dan Straily starting for the Astros on Friday in Boston.

[Jacksonian]

Brian McTaggart ⚾️ ‏@brianmctaggart
I'm hearing it's going to be Dan Straily starting for the Astros on Friday in Boston.

Hinch already told Cabrera.

[Navin R Johnson]

Well shit.  Sounds like Springer is heading to the DL.  Fuck the Royals.

[Reuben]

Well shit.  Sounds like Springer is heading to the DL.  Fuck the Royals.

Fuuuuucckk. I didn't see the HBP - are the "Royals" really to blame, or was it just one of those things?

[Navin R Johnson]

Well he was hit 2 batters after Marwin homered.... And Carter homered the inning prior to that...

I doubt they were throwing at him, but fuck them for hitting him none the less.

[Reuben]

Hinch saying he thinks it will be a DL thing for Springer, but sounds like they're going to hold off until tomorrow before deciding for sure.

[Navin R Johnson]

I tried to resist posting this....sorry.

So JDjO thinks that Pat Neshek, in a 1 run game in the 8th, on a 1-2 count, intentionally threw at the Royals.

Incredible.

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Jose de Jesus Ortiz ‏@OrtizKicks
What Oberholtzer did Saturday against A-Rod was ridiculous.
What Neshek did today was the right thing to do.
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[JimR]

may be the stupidest thing I have ever seen.

[Bench]

I tried to resist posting this....sorry.

So JDjO thinks that Pat Neshek, in a 1 run game in the 8th, on a 1-2 count, intentionally threw at the Royals.

Incredible.

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Jose de Jesus Ortiz ‏@OrtizKicks
What Oberholtzer did Saturday against A-Rod was ridiculous.
What Neshek did today was the right thing to do.
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The man is a true idiot. 

[Navin R Johnson]

No question Ortiz is a moron, but what about the ump?  Why did he warn both benches after that?  Did the ump think the Astros were throwing at the Royals too?

[JJxvi]

It was probably preventative more than anything.  For all Hinch may say that getting into that kind of thing isn't the "Astro way" or whatever, the ump has to also know that getting into these kind of things kind of is the KC Royal way lately.

[HudsonHawk]

No question Ortiz is a moron, but what about the ump?  Why did he warn both benches after that?  Did the ump think the Astros were throwing at the Royals too?

He was trying to make sure they didn't. That's what warnings are for.

[JimR]

He was trying to make sure they didn't. That's what warnings are for.

then give one before the first pitch in every game. makes about as much sense as the one last night.

[Navin R Johnson]

Once the ump issues that "warning" any HBP after that, no matter how obviously unintentional it was, leads to an ejection, right? 

[EasTexAstro]

The way I saw it, he knew his pitch was off. It wasn't intentional. The ump didn't need to step in there. The situation would have been terrible to hit a batter. It made no sense in any way. On the other hand, it didn't hurt anything. The teams were trying to win, not beat each other up.

[Navin R Johnson]

The way I saw it, he knew his pitch was off. It wasn't intentional. The ump didn't need to step in there. The situation would have been terrible to hit a batter. It made no sense in any way. On the other hand, it didn't hurt anything. The teams were trying to win, not beat each other up.

Unless a pitch got away from Gregerson to the 1st batter and caught a batters ankle and then the UMP was obligated to toss him.... now the Astros face runner at 1st, no outs with no closer.

[NeilT]

I thought the ump's reasoning had to do with the chance of the Royals coming off the bench and a hullabaloo occurring.  They were getting swept.  They were edgy.  The warning cost nothing and stopped what looked like a stupid situation developing.

 

[EasTexAstro]

Unless a pitch got away from Gregerson to the 1st batter and caught a batters ankle and then the UMP was obligated to toss him.... now the Astros face runner at 1st, no outs with no closer.

Doesn't the ump still have discretion?

[Bench]

I thought the ump's reasoning had to do with the chance of the Royals coming off the bench and a hullabaloo occurring.  They were getting swept.  They were edgy.  The warning cost nothing and stopped what looked like a stupid situation developing.

 

That's what I thought as well.  It was more directed at keeping the Royals from "retaliating" because they were clearly getting chippy. 

[Navin R Johnson]

Doesn't the ump still have discretion?

Im not sure, I always hear auto-ejection tossed out after the warn both teams.

[moriartp]

That's what I thought as well.  It was more directed at keeping the Royals from "retaliating" because they were clearly getting chippy.

They also had a big stink with the A's earlier this season, guys were getting plunked left and right. Ump may have had that on his mind as well.

[EasTexAstro]

Im not sure, I always hear auto-ejection tossed out after the warn both teams.

I'm glad it didn't matter then.

[Navin R Johnson]

Fuck the Royals. 

[Navin R Johnson]

Presley just got called up, I assume that mean DL for Springer.  Shit

[JimR]

I thought the ump's reasoning had to do with the chance of the Royals coming off the bench and a hullabaloo occurring.  They were getting swept.  They were edgy.  The warning cost nothing and stopped what looked like a stupid situation developing.

 

It could have cost the game if Greggerson hit someone. It was senseless.

[HudsonHawk]

Once the ump issues that "warning" any HBP after that, no matter how obviously unintentional it was, leads to an ejection, right?

Of course not. 

[HudsonHawk]

The way I saw it, he knew his pitch was off. It wasn't intentional. The ump didn't need to step in there. The situation would have been terrible to hit a batter. It made no sense in any way. On the other hand, it didn't hurt anything. The teams were trying to win, not beat each other up.

The warning was so the Royals didn't try to retaliate, not because he thought the Astros were.

[HudsonHawk]

then give one before the first pitch in every game. makes about as much sense as the one last night.

The umpire can, and occasionally does. 

[HudsonHawk]

Unless a pitch got away from Gregerson to the 1st batter and caught a batters ankle and then the UMP was obligated to toss him.... now the Astros face runner at 1st, no outs with no closer.

Don't be silly.  Such a situation would not warrant an ejection. 

[chuck]

I don't always throw at opposing players, but when I do, I throw a slider. Sidearm.

[pots]

Presley just got called up, I assume that mean DL for Springer.  Shit

Well that is odd.  Presley wasn't on the 40 man.  Hoes is.  Hoes is having an outstanding year at Fresno.  Not that Presley has been bad, but Hoes has been on fire

[Jacksonian]

Well that is odd.  Presley wasn't on the 40 man.  Hoes is.  Hoes is having an outstanding year at Fresno.  Not that Presley has been bad, but Hoes has been on fire

Grossman is too though I suppose they could designate him.

[Jacksonian]

Well that is odd.  Presley wasn't on the 40 man.  Hoes is.  Hoes is having an outstanding year at Fresno.  Not that Presley has been bad, but Hoes has been on fire

Actually over the last 10 games Presley has been more successful at the plate than Hoes.

[pots]

Actually over the last 10 games Presley has been more successful at the plate than Hoes.

Really?

Hoes: 8 for 30 with 7 walks
Presley: 10 for 34 with 4 walks and a HR

Presley has him in the extra base hit category 5 to 2.  But not exactly crushingly different numbers.  Odd they would make a move to the 40 man for Presley over Hoes. 

Edit:
Perhaps that Hoes to Baltimore thing is more than just a rumor

[Navin R Johnson]

Fractured wrist is the outcome.  15 Day DL...for now. 

[Navin R Johnson]

Sounds like this could sideline George for 6 weeks.  Motherfucker.  Fuck the Royals.

[HudsonHawk]

Sounds like this could sideline George for 6 weeks.  Motherfucker.  Fuck the Royals.

I wouldn't think he'd be back until at least the middle of August. 

[subnuclear]

Dammit.

[NeilT]

I kind of wish JDJO was right.  That sucks.

[Knoxbanedoodle]

Fresh for the home stretch.

[Fredia]

well shit. the royals and what happened geeze

[remy]

Fuck it.  Let's give Kemp a chance if Santana continues to scuffle.

[JimR]

I was just wondering about Kemp, too, but Marisnick and Rasmus will be back for CF soon.

[NeilT]

Hopefully Rasmus tomorrow. 

[JimR]

Hopefully Rasmus tomorrow.

OF of Tucker, Marisnick and Rasmus with Santana the 4th?

[Navin R Johnson]

Some quotes from Luhnow

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/134255062/george-springer-on-dl-with-wrist-fracture

"This is not going to be a surgical route," said Astros general manager Jeff Luhnow. "We're going to allow the bone -- the particular bone, it's a non-displaced fracture -- we're going to allow it heal on its own. We'll do whatever we can to speed that up, but nature has to take it's course, so its hard to tell [how long he'll be sidelined].

Luhnow said Springer will have two major checkpoints -- one at the two-week mark and one at the six-week mark post-injury. The six-week mark would be the soonest Luhnow imagines the club would clear Springer to resume baseball activities.

"We're just going to have to rely on the depth internally. And if it's not there, we'll go out and solve it externally," Luhnow said. "Springer's going to be a part of our team for a long time to come, so it's not like we would go out and look to replace him. If we're talking about replacing his production for six weeks or a little longer, we're going to have to look at it.

[Navin R Johnson]

I think the team can survive with the 4 some in the OF that JimR listed.  If Correra hits anywhere close to where he has been, and we get an uptick from Tucker or Domingo, plus some help with Lowrie coming back, they should be ok.  If Carter hits like he did in the 2nd half of last year, the 2nd half of this season, then they will really be good to go.

I'd hate to trade away anyone for any sort of OF rental, unless someone wants Singleton...

[jbm]

Don't know why Singleton is more expendable than the rest.  Wouldn't surprise me if he helps the club during Springer's absence.

[Navin R Johnson]

Don't know why Singleton is more expendable than the rest.  Wouldn't surprise me if he helps the club during Springer's absence.

God I hope you are right, but I am starting to lose faith in Singleton.

[chuck]

It shouldn't be too difficult to make up for Springer's offensive production one way or the other. His defense is another story.

[NeilT]

It shouldn't be too difficult to make up for Springer's offensive production one way or the other. His defense is another story.

Marisnick and Rasmus are his peers in center, imho, though maybe not as dramatic.

[jbm]

God I hope you are right, but I am starting to lose faith in Singleton.

I'm not sure I have faith in him, but I still see his glass as half full and see his odds of performing on par with the others who they will try.  His ABs haven't been as ugly as all the Ks might indicate.  He's gotten deep in counts and the bulk of his Ks have been on good change ups and splits, better pitches than I assume he will routinely be seeing. 

[HudsonHawk]

OF of Tucker, Marisnick and Rasmus with Santana the 4th?

Man, I am not a fan of Santana, either offensively or defensively.  The starting three are very good, so as long as Santana is just a spot start here or there, I guess that's still pretty good.  But that's probably long stretches of not much offense from the outfield, and it may be glaring, especially if the two corner infield positions continue to hit below .200.

[HudsonHawk]

Marisnick and Rasmus are his peers in center, imho, though maybe not as dramatic.

Marisnick is.  Rasmus is a good outfielder, but he's not as good as Springer, IMO. 

[Reuben]

Well that is odd.  Presley wasn't on the 40 man.  Hoes is.  Hoes is having an outstanding year at Fresno.  Not that Presley has been bad, but Hoes has been on fire

Probably has more to do with Presley's ability to play CF. If you ignore his noodle-arm, he's not bad out there, and until Rasmus and/or Marisnick are able to play, they probably wanted someone who could cover more ground than Domingo Santana.

Could also have to do with Boston's pitchers (Presley a LHB, Hoes RH), I have no idea.

[hostros7]

He got no love for them hoes


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[doyce7]

He got no love for them hoes


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My wife always tells me "say no to hoes" when I go out with my friends, maybe that's what we have here?

[Nate Colbert]

Well that is odd.  Presley wasn't on the 40 man. 

Maybe this is Cabrera'd, but Peacock to the 60-day was the corresponding move there.

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[rpntex]

Once the ump issues that "warning" any HBP after that, no matter how obviously unintentional it was, leads to an ejection, right?

Not automatic. The ump still has discretion. FWIE, he actually has the discretion to toss a pitcher without a warning. I saw it happen to John Lackey when he was with Boston, and again to Stephen Strasberg in a highly - publicized incident. Basically, the warning merely puts the managers on notice that they're in danger of being tossed, too.

[juliogotay]

Maybe this is Cabrera'd, but Peacock to the 60-day was the corresponding move there.

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Wonder how long it will be before the Astros give up on Brad Peacock.

[MusicMan]

It shouldn't be too difficult to make up for Springer's offensive production one way or the other. His defense is another story.

Really? You're going to easily replace the highest OBP and second highest SLG on the team?


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[austro]

Really? You're going to easily replace the highest OBP and second highest SLG on the team?

They struggled while Altuve was out. I'm not optimistic about this development. Maybe we'll see Kemp sooner than any of us expected (although I don't know what kind of move they'd have to make with the 40-man roster to do that).

[mrpink]

Well , duh. Once he's on the DL someone else will have the highest OBP and second highest SLG on the team.

[juliogotay]

They struggled while Altuve was out. I'm not optimistic about this development. Maybe we'll see Kemp sooner than any of us expected (although I don't know what kind of move they'd have to make with the 40-man roster to do that).

I'm not optimistic about this either. I worry that even when he is "healthy" he won't have full mobility in that wrist for a while. Wrist injuries can be tricky. They lose great OF defense, a throwing arm that must be respected, speed on the base paths and a lot of energy. He is clearly a leader on-field and in the clubhouse.

[chuck]

Really? You're going to easily replace the highest OBP and second highest SLG on the team?

Easy. Just call up Jimmy Paredes or JD Martinez.

[Reuben]

Easy. Just call up Jimmy Paredes or JD Martinez.

I'd prefer someone who's a better OF, like Kenny Lofton or Bobby Abreu.

[Mr. Happy]

I'd prefer someone who's a better OF, like Kenny Lofton or Bobby Abreu.

I'm holding out for Chief Geronimo.

[austro]

I'd prefer someone who's a better OF, like Kenny Lofton or Bobby Abreu.

We just signed some Cuban centerfielder. Surely he'll be ready in a day or two.

[The Spleen]

I'm sure Joe Morgan can fake center field pretty well...

[VirtualBob]

Probably has more to do with Presley's ability to play CF. If you ignore his noodle-arm, he's not bad out there, and until Rasmus and/or Marisnick are able to play, they probably wanted someone who could cover more ground than Domingo Santana.

Could also have to do with Boston's pitchers (Presley a LHB, Hoes RH), I have no idea.

Would not be surprised if they are shopping Presley for a trade.  He would have to be waived, I think, if they send him back down.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Would not be surprised if they are shopping Presley for a trade.  He would have to be waived, I think, if they send him back down.

I'm pretty sure they're shopping Hoes and Grossman as well.

[Nate Colbert]

Marisnick with his 3rd rehab start tonight for Fresno: double, 2 walks, 3 SBs.

Evan Drellich ‏@EvanDrellich  2 hours ago
Expectation is Marisnick gets here tomorrow. Likely wouldn’t be activated tomorrow, logistically that’d be tough, but Sunday seems the day.

[Nate Colbert]

Marisnick activated, Santana back down to Fresno.

Link

[Nate Colbert]

Scott Feldman scheduled to make a rehab start for the Hooks tomorrow.

[Nate Colbert]

Scott Feldman scheduled to make a rehab start for the Hooks tomorrow.

3 IP allowing 3 runs on 4 hits, 3 walks and a WP. 62 pitches, 38 for strikes.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

3 IP allowing 3 runs on 4 hits, 3 walks and a WP. 62 pitches, 38 for strikes.

Almost back to normal.

[Nate Colbert]

I'm sure we're all anxiously waiting for this to happen:

Brian McTaggart ⚾️ ‏@brianmctaggart  5 minutes ago
Qualls has 2nd rehab stint tonight, could join team tomorrow in St. Pete if he doesn't throw too many pitches, making him unavailable.

[austro]

Someone has give Thatcher a rest.

[geezerdonk]

Last night at Corpus Christi, the Chadster gives up a homer to Pete Lavin (hitting .224 at AA this year) and a double to the Scandanavian Scourge, Lars Anderon - a.240 hitter.

[Nate Colbert]

Scott Feldman scheduled to make a rehab start for the Hooks tomorrow.

Makes his 2nd rehab start tonight for CC.

[Nate Colbert]

Qualls activated; Obie sent back down.

Various and sundry tweets.

[Fredia]

do you see qualls improving?

[geezerdonk]

Yes - opponents' batting averages.

[Nate Colbert]

Makes his 2nd rehab start tonight for CC.

Feldman goes 5 innings, allows a run on 6 hits and 2 walks. 87 pitches, 58 strikes.