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« Reply #500 on: July 30, 2015, 02:06:54 pm »
This is 20-20 hindsight. That trade was for the World Series, and I was blown away by Hunsicker's ability to pull it off. I do not care if the guys we gave up made the HOF. It was a great trade.

Anyone who says that was a bad trade is full of shit.
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« Reply #501 on: July 30, 2015, 02:49:41 pm »
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« Reply #502 on: July 30, 2015, 03:26:22 pm »
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« Reply #503 on: July 30, 2015, 03:34:36 pm »
This is 20-20 hindsight. That trade was for the World Series, and I was blown away by Hunsicker's ability to pull it off. I do not care if the guys we gave up made the HOF. It was a great trade.

Not suggesting it was a bad trade, just assessing the costs with the benefits of hindsight.  I was super happy when it went down an only thought a couple of times afterwards when seeing Freddy Garcia dominate that that part stung a bit.
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« Reply #504 on: July 30, 2015, 04:01:33 pm »
Not suggesting it was a bad trade, just assessing the costs with the benefits of hindsight.  I was super happy when it went down an only thought a couple of times afterwards when seeing Freddy Garcia dominate that that part stung a bit.

I'm with Jim on this one. Was, without question, the right move. They added one of the best pitchers ever, to the best Astros team ever, and the future Hall of Famer pitched the best stretch of his entire career. That was a perfectly played hand. Padres caught a flush on the river when Kevin Brown dealt from the bottom of the deck.

Most exciting off the field moment in Astros history for me. I followed Guillen, Garcia and Halama with some interest after but never once wished it another way. We gave up better players for less.

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« Reply #505 on: July 30, 2015, 05:24:36 pm »
Not suggesting it was a bad trade, just assessing the costs with the benefits of hindsight.  I was super happy when it went down an only thought a couple of times afterwards when seeing Freddy Garcia dominate that that part stung a bit.
I don't even know if hindsight helps here. 

Garcia went 156-108 over a 15 year career with an ERA over 4.  He by no means was a bad pitcher, and had a great year in 2001 but he was a far cry from dominant.
Guillen ended up being a career .285/.355/.483 utility man.  He was never going to play middle infield in Houston, but he was probably the biggest loss of the three.
Hallama had 56 wins over 9 years with a 4.65 ERA.  Had one good year in 2000.

More to the point, NONE of them were going to help the Astros in 1998, and probably not much in 1999.

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« Reply #506 on: July 30, 2015, 06:12:11 pm »
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« Reply #507 on: July 30, 2015, 06:34:56 pm »
Astros get Carlos Gomez from Brew for bunch of prospects.
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« Reply #508 on: July 30, 2015, 06:36:15 pm »
Mike Fiers, too, coming to Astros.

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« Reply #509 on: July 30, 2015, 06:42:23 pm »
Saw report of Santana, Houser, Hader & PHILLIPS going to Brewers
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« Reply #510 on: July 30, 2015, 06:42:41 pm »
Phillips, Hader, Santana, Houser

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« Reply #511 on: July 30, 2015, 06:42:49 pm »
 Phillips traded according to reports.  Bummer from what I've read/seen


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« Reply #512 on: July 30, 2015, 06:43:47 pm »
Hope this doesn't mean springer may be out longer than expected


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« Reply #513 on: July 30, 2015, 06:45:39 pm »
Hope this doesn't mean springer may be out longer than expected


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That's my concern too. I don't understand the need for an outfielder, especially having to part with Phillips. In Luhnow we trust I guess.
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« Reply #514 on: July 30, 2015, 06:47:45 pm »
At least Gomez seems like a guy to pull for https://mobile.twitter.com/wiscoinferno/status/467129479492800512/photo/1


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« Reply #515 on: July 30, 2015, 06:49:57 pm »
I liked Hader, too.

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« Reply #516 on: July 30, 2015, 06:54:08 pm »
That really seems like a lot to give up for Gomez/Fiers.

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« Reply #517 on: July 30, 2015, 06:55:26 pm »
That really seems like a lot to give up for Gomez/Fiers.

Someone needs to make me feel better about this.

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« Reply #518 on: July 30, 2015, 06:57:58 pm »
In Luhnow I trust.
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« Reply #519 on: July 30, 2015, 06:59:41 pm »
and the second-guessing begins. With you trust the front office or you don't.
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« Reply #520 on: July 30, 2015, 06:59:55 pm »

Someone needs to make me feel better about this.

Luhnow has a good track record, prospects are uncertain commodities, MLB team is better, Gomez likes kiwi.


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« Reply #521 on: July 30, 2015, 07:02:19 pm »
Wasn't the deadline earlier this afternoon?  What are the implications, if any?
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« Reply #522 on: July 30, 2015, 07:03:06 pm »
No, tomorrow is the deadline


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« Reply #523 on: July 30, 2015, 07:05:03 pm »
Gomez is a oft injured punk with a ton of potential. In the past he has show himself to be a class one asshole, I hope like hell he has grown out of that because that kind of behavior wont fly here.
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« Reply #524 on: July 30, 2015, 07:05:45 pm »
No, tomorrow is the deadline

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« Reply #525 on: July 30, 2015, 07:07:52 pm »
I like Fiers. Young, under contract for a while yet and groundball prone. Seems like we now have the rotation depth we need even w the rookies' inning limits.
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« Reply #526 on: July 30, 2015, 07:09:17 pm »

In Luhnow I trust.

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« Reply #527 on: July 30, 2015, 07:09:44 pm »
I like this deal. Phillips hurts bad, but the rest of the package doesn't bother me at all.

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« Reply #528 on: July 30, 2015, 07:09:51 pm »

I like Fiers. Young, under contract for a while yet and groundball prone. Seems like we now have the rotation depth we need even w the rookies' inning limits.

Not disputing anything said here, but 30 isn't especially young either.


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« Reply #529 on: July 30, 2015, 07:10:20 pm »
Platoon Tucker and Marisnick?
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« Reply #530 on: July 30, 2015, 07:11:57 pm »
Platoon Tucker and Marisnick?
Or rasmus and marisnick

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« Reply #531 on: July 30, 2015, 07:12:25 pm »
For those with a sense of these things, how would the Astros package rate in comparison to those that yielded Hamels., Price, etc.?

Regardless, I hope springer is back soon, and we get to see him and Gomez in the same outfield. 


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« Reply #532 on: July 30, 2015, 07:12:47 pm »
Someone needs to make me feel better about this.

Well, I like that neither player  is a rental and both are in their prime. We get Gomez through 2016 at a very reasonable price of $9 million.  Fiers  should be controllable for at least a few more years at a reasonable price as well. I've watched Fiers and he has pretty good stuff. maybe mgt sees an arm they can make even better.

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« Reply #533 on: July 30, 2015, 07:13:28 pm »
Was thinking post Springer; not sure where Rasmus fits then
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« Reply #534 on: July 30, 2015, 07:15:09 pm »
and the second-guessing begins. With you trust the front office or you don't.

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« Reply #535 on: July 30, 2015, 07:16:11 pm »
Was thinking post Springer; not sure where Rasmus fits then
Rasmus was probably gone after this year anyway imo

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« Reply #536 on: July 30, 2015, 07:21:10 pm »
  For those that want to read the contrarian take:

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Serious prospects for Gomez, a nine-year vet who rarely walks and has just eight homers, .328 OBP and career-low seven SB this year.


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« Reply #537 on: July 30, 2015, 07:26:45 pm »
This is awesome. I can't remember the last time I was excited in late July.

On the rare occasions when the Astros play the goddamn fucking Mets, I hope Gomez uses "Crying" as his walk-up music.

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« Reply #538 on: July 30, 2015, 07:29:29 pm »
I like Fiers. Young, under contract for a while yet and groundball prone. Seems like we now have the rotation depth we need even w the rookies' inning limits.

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« Reply #539 on: July 30, 2015, 07:30:49 pm »
I trust Luhnow mainly because I believe in his ability to judge his own prospect talent.  BUT he's never been in this situation before.  I don't know how good he is or will be at evaluating mlb talent in return for his prospects. Time will tell but that's a lot of talent to give up for an outfielder who will be here for 2 seasons and 2 months and a 30 year old pitcher who hasn't established himself beyond being a mostly full time starting pitcher.
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« Reply #540 on: July 30, 2015, 07:32:46 pm »
I like Fiers. Young, under contract for a while yet and groundball prone. Seems like we now have the rotation depth we need even w the rookies' inning limits.

Actually he's a 30 year old fly ball pitcher with only 340 innings to his major league career.
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« Reply #541 on: July 30, 2015, 07:35:01 pm »
This is awesome. I can't remember the last time I was excited in late July.



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« Reply #542 on: July 30, 2015, 07:43:25 pm »
I trust Luhnow mainly because I believe in his ability to judge his own prospect talent.  BUT he's never been in this situation before.  I don't know how good he is or will be at evaluating mlb talent in return for his prospects. Time will tell but that's a lot of talent to give up for an outfielder who will be here for 2 seasons and 2 months and a 30 year old pitcher who hasn't established himself beyond being a mostly full time starting pitcher.

Scratch that. 1 season and 2 months.
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« Reply #543 on: July 30, 2015, 07:51:52 pm »
I trust Luhnow mainly because I believe in his ability to judge his own prospect talent.  BUT he's never been in this situation before.  I don't know how good he is or will be at evaluating mlb talent in return for his prospects. Time will tell but that's a lot of talent to give up for an outfielder who will be here for 2 seasons and 2 months and a 30 year old pitcher who hasn't established himself beyond being a mostly full time starting pitcher.

God, I hate think kind of stuff. He has been stockpiling talent for this very reason. If Phillips could help the team NOW, he would be in Houston. I am sure he is very talented, but there are lots of others with talent in the system. Folks have been wanting Gomez for weeks, and now we have him, the hand-wringing begins. Gomez has speed and power, and if he was a hot dog elsewhere, he will learn quickly it is not the Astros Way. He is an experienced Springer, and the more interesting issue to me is the lineup tomorrow and whether Luhnow is done or is still pursuing Chapman. Why is Singleton sitting?

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« Reply #544 on: July 30, 2015, 07:59:00 pm »
The man is trying to win now. Are we so beat down from losing we cannot appreciate what he is doing? Houston is the ultimate, not the Bus Ride.

I agree.  My main concern is Luhnow's lack of track record on this side of the fence.  I hope he turns out to be brilliant even in the eyes of the biggest hind sighters.
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« Reply #545 on: July 30, 2015, 08:00:19 pm »
I agree.  My main concern is Luhnow's lack of track record on this side of the fence.  I hope he turns out to be brilliant even in the eyes of the biggest hind sighters.

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« Reply #546 on: July 30, 2015, 08:00:45 pm »
God, I hate think kind of stuff. He has been stockpiling talent for this very reason. If Phillips could help the team NOW, he would be in Houston. I am sure he is very talented, but there are lots of others with talent in the system. Folks have been wanting Gomez for weeks, and now we have him, the hand-wringing begins. Gomez has speed and power, and if he was a hot dog elsewhere, he will learn quickly it is not the Astros Way. He is an experienced Springer, and the more interesting issue to me is the lineup tomorrow and whether Luhnow is done or is still pursuing Chapman. Why is Singleton sitting?

The man is trying to win now. Are we so beat down from losing we cannot appreciate what he is doing? Houston is the ultimate, not the Bus Ride.
Well said Jim, I love adding Gomez, I've wanted Gomez for a few weeks now. I'm sceptical of adding fiers but maybe he'll be a steal, lots of years of control on his arm.

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« Reply #547 on: July 30, 2015, 08:04:27 pm »
Gerry Fraley is a veteran baseball writer for the Dallas Morning News and on the radio this afternoon in DFW talking about the Ranger Hamels deal. He said he was told the Astros made a Hamels offer that the Phils preferred over the Ranger offer but Hamels would not budge. Then he was asked why was he so adamant about not Houston and he wasn't sure but he thought it may have something to do with the Astros reputation of how they treat players. Luhnow (he mispronounced the name) being a numbers guy and players didn't like playing there. Not like the days of Tal Smith, he added, when the Astros were among the happiest of teams. Personally I think this latter comment is much b.s. from a lazy writer that is repeating an old story generated from a handful of malcontents but the Hamels anecdote was interesting I thought. Considering the Rangers offer Luhnow must have loaded up the wagon for Philly.

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« Reply #548 on: July 30, 2015, 08:06:31 pm »
Wonder if another move is near. It kind of squeezes Tucker out to DH (when Springer gets back) which is good, but that leaves two DHs. 

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« Reply #549 on: July 30, 2015, 08:07:52 pm »
Wonder if another move is near. It kind of squeezes Tucker out to DH (when Springer gets back) which is good, but that leaves two DHs. 

Or Tucker becomes a pinch hitter.  For situations like, I don't know, either of our catchers being up in a key situation.
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« Reply #550 on: July 30, 2015, 08:07:53 pm »
Scratch that. 1 season and 2 months.

Carlos Gomez has posted OPS's over .800 the last two years while being known as a good defensive centerfielder as well.  He's what we all would hope Marisnick could grow into.  Not every prospect will pan out, and at some point they may get blocked.  Plus, this gives them the flexibility to try and shift Preston Tucker to 1B this offseason.
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« Reply #551 on: July 30, 2015, 08:09:29 pm »
With Phillips and Hader gone, who becomes the organization's top CF and LH starter prospect? Looks like a serious dropoff.

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« Reply #552 on: July 30, 2015, 08:09:37 pm »
Thought Phillips was untouchable.  Very sad they lost him.  Going for it this year
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« Reply #553 on: July 30, 2015, 08:09:38 pm »
Gerry Fraley is a veteran baseball writer for the Dallas Morning News and on the radio this afternoon in DFW talking about the Ranger Hamels deal. He said he was told the Astros made a Hamels offer that the Phils preferred over the Ranger offer but Hamels would not budge. Then he was asked why was he so adamant about not Houston and he wasn't sure but he thought it may have something to do with the Astros reputation of how they treat players. Luhnow (he mispronounced the name) being a numbers guy and players didn't like playing there. Not like the days of Tal Smith, he added, when the Astros were among the happiest of teams. Personally I think this latter comment is much b.s. from a lazy writer that is repeating an old story generated from a handful of malcontents but the Hamels anecdote was interesting I thought. Considering the Rangers offer Luhnow must have loaded up the wagon for Philly.

Those boys in the dugout look pretty happy.  I also don't think Hamels has a clue about Tal Smith.
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« Reply #554 on: July 30, 2015, 08:10:54 pm »
Wonder if another move is near. It kind of squeezes Tucker out to DH (when Springer gets back) which is good, but that leaves two DHs.

Depending on Gomez's defense in center, Marisnick could also lose playing time  if his bat doesn't improve.  Point is Hinch has plenty of options.
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« Reply #555 on: July 30, 2015, 08:33:23 pm »
Depending on Gomez's defense in center, Marisnick could also lose playing time  if his bat doesn't improve.  Point is Hinch has plenty of options.

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« Reply #556 on: July 30, 2015, 08:36:07 pm »
I trust Luhnow mainly because I believe in his ability to judge his own prospect talent.  BUT he's never been in this situation before.  I don't know how good he is or will be at evaluating mlb talent in return for his prospects. Time will tell but that's a lot of talent to give up for an outfielder who will be here for 2 seasons and 2 months and a 30 year old pitcher who hasn't established himself beyond being a mostly full time starting pitcher.

I've been thinking about this and I think Luhnow has not done a bad job of evaluating major league talent.  He's signed McHugh, Feldman, Rasmus and Lowrie-all have been parts of making this team what it is.  He's done a great job with the bullpen.  And Kazmir seems to be a good trade so far.

In regard to judging minor league talent, is it good or bad to over value your prospects?  Teams can overvalue their prospects and ultimately get nothing for them and then no help for the ML team.  I would have preferred a 1st baseman (I don't believe I've made it a secret I am not necessarily a fan of Karter) but I gotta believe Luhnow knows those players better than we do. 
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« Reply #557 on: July 30, 2015, 08:36:49 pm »
So who get's sent down to make room for these two? 

Velasquez for Fiers is the easy call

 As for position players for Gomez: You have Singleton, Marisnick, Marwin and Tucker with options.  You could DFA Carter.  Any other options? Feel like we have too many OF and 1B so might vote is DFA Carter unless you can work out a quick trade.

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« Reply #558 on: July 30, 2015, 08:38:56 pm »
With Gomez and Springer, Astros will have two Gold Glove caliber defenders with above average offensive tools in the lineup thru 2016.  The infusion of Gomez's talent makes this team better.  Luhnow's trade for Gomez improves the Astros' playoff chances in 2015 AND 2016.  A Tucker-Gomez-Springer OF is one hell of a combination.  When Springer returns, two of the three players in the Astros OF will be legitimate difference makers.

Fiers is a crafty right hander having a solid year (he's improved each month since his lackluster April performance).  His ERA in his five July starts is 3.19.  Adds nice depth to the rotation and eases the innings burden on McCullers and Velasquez.

I applaud Luhnow for this trade. 

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« Reply #559 on: July 30, 2015, 08:39:52 pm »
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« Reply #561 on: July 30, 2015, 08:42:00 pm »
God, I hate think kind of stuff. He has been stockpiling talent for this very reason. If Phillips could help the team NOW, he would be in Houston. I am sure he is very talented, but there are lots of others with talent in the system. Folks have been wanting Gomez for weeks, and now we have him, the hand-wringing begins. Gomez has speed and power, and if he was a hot dog elsewhere, he will learn quickly it is not the Astros Way. He is an experienced Springer, and the more interesting issue to me is the lineup tomorrow and whether Luhnow is done or is still pursuing Chapman. Why is Singleton sitting?

The man is trying to win now. Are we so beat down from losing we cannot appreciate what he is doing? Houston is the ultimate, not the Bus Ride.

As much as I'm glad they are going for it.  This was sacrificing the future for now.  The core of this team isn't even arbitration eligible this year.  Why go for broke so early?  Phillips is a 5 tool player who was likely going to be a key piece by mid next year.   Santana, Hader and Houser are easily replaced by other talent in the system.  Phillips on the other hand,  I just don't get it.  The Mets package was no where near this good.

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« Reply #562 on: July 30, 2015, 08:43:43 pm »
Or Tucker becomes a pinch hitter.  For situations like, I don't know, either of our catchers being up in a key situation.

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« Reply #563 on: July 30, 2015, 08:47:37 pm »
As much as I'm glad they are going for it.  This was sacrificing the future for now.  The core of this team isn't even arbitration eligible this year.  Why go for broke so early?  Phillips is a 5 tool player who was likely going to be a key piece by mid next year.   Santana, Hader and Houser are easily replaced by other talent in the system.  Phillips on the other hand,  I just don't get it.  The Mets package was no where near this good.

Would Phillips beat out Gomez next year at mid-year? I don't like losing him but Luhnow, and don't forget Crane's wishes, appear to be looking at this division the next couple of years and thinking they are the best team in it. They owe it to the fans and the players to go for it. At least that is what I'm telling myself

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« Reply #564 on: July 30, 2015, 08:48:37 pm »
I like this deal. Phillips hurts bad, but the rest of the package doesn't bother me at all.

I fully agree with your prospect assessment.  I'll say I don't hate the trade.   I don't like it because it looks like an overpay. 

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« Reply #565 on: July 30, 2015, 08:52:58 pm »
I fully agree with your prospect assessment.  I'll say I don't hate the trade.   I don't like it because it looks like an overpay.
It is a little hard to stomach when we knew what the Mets were going to pay for Gomez. Then again, Fiers could be very valuable for several years.

The most important thing here is that the opportunity is now. I am thrilled that the front office is doing their best to take advantage of a chance to make the playoffs the next few years.

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« Reply #566 on: July 30, 2015, 08:53:56 pm »
Would Phillips beat out Gomez next year at mid-year?

Possibly.  Phillips seems past the point of prospect fallout.  Just too much talent from all angles not to at least be a useful starter and a ceiling that is tough to see.   Gomez seems to be past his peak.  Looks like he peaked in 2013.  So I'd say right about this time next year they'll pass each other, maybe later.   I just don't get why the package is so much bigger than what the Mets were offering.  Is Fiers really that big of an add?

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« Reply #567 on: July 30, 2015, 08:55:16 pm »
It is a little hard to stomach when we knew what the Mets were going to pay for Gomez. Then again, Fiers could be very valuable for several years.

The most important thing here is that the opportunity is now. I am thrilled that the front office is doing their best to take advantage of a chance to make the playoffs the next few years.

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« Reply #568 on: July 30, 2015, 08:57:36 pm »
I think it's going to be important to carry four outfielders that you don't mind playing every day, because I'm afraid that the way Springer goes after everything means that he's going to spend non-trivial periods of time on the DL every year.
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« Reply #569 on: July 30, 2015, 09:00:16 pm »
With Phillips and Hader gone, who becomes the organization's top CF and LH starter prospect? Looks like a serious dropoff.

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« Reply #570 on: July 30, 2015, 09:01:07 pm »
I think it's going to be important to carry four outfielders that you don't mind playing every day, because I'm afraid that the way Springer goes after everything means that he's going to spend non-trivial periods of time on the DL every year.
I feel like its good to have 4 outfielders your OK with playing everyday anyway, always good to have different options

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« Reply #571 on: July 30, 2015, 09:01:29 pm »
I think it's going to be important to carry four outfielders that you don't mind playing every day, because I'm afraid that the way Springer goes after everything means that he's going to spend non-trivial periods of time on the DL every year.

So basically that one damn pitch from the KC guy cost the team Phillips and Santana.

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« Reply #572 on: July 30, 2015, 09:02:29 pm »
Boofuckinghoo. There be a draft next year.

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I am through reading this stuff. Hand-wring, second-guess negativity. I am going to watch the games.
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« Reply #574 on: July 30, 2015, 09:05:25 pm »
It is a little hard to stomach when we knew what the Mets were going to pay for Gomez. Then again, Fiers could be very valuable for several years.

The most important thing here is that the opportunity is now. I am thrilled that the front office is doing their best to take advantage of a chance to make the playoffs the next few years.

This isn't a next few years deal.  This is 2015 and 2016.  Gomez is highly unlikely to sign here.  Boras is his agent so he'll be looking for the top dollar.
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« Reply #575 on: July 30, 2015, 09:35:45 pm »
FWIW, a reporter on Baseball Tonight said a scout described Phillips at "Brett Gardner light." A useful player, but not a stud.

Jim Bowden also said he texted Luhnow tonight, and Luhnow said the Astros aren't done, that they're continuing to talk with other teams.

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« Reply #576 on: July 30, 2015, 09:47:16 pm »
On the flip side, the Astros kept Phillips in Lancaster well beyond his demonstrating mastery of the level.  There may be something to him that only a few in the org know that they don't like.  So, compare his rise to Bregman's who they love.  He's already in Lancaster.
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FWIW, a reporter on Baseball Tonight said a scout described Phillips at "Brett Gardner light." A useful player, but not a stud.

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« Reply #578 on: July 30, 2015, 09:56:50 pm »
FWIW, a reporter on Baseball Tonight said a scout described Phillips at "Brett Gardner light." A useful player, but not a stud.

Jim Bowden also said he texted Luhnow tonight, and Luhnow said the Astros aren't done, that they're continuing to talk with other teams.

ETA: Via Drellich -- Jeff Luhnow: "We’re still talking to a couple clubs about some other players"
https://twitter.com/EvanDrellich/status/626940826157981696

I have heard Luhnow himself compare Phillips to Gardner when the Yanks were in town.

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« Reply #579 on: July 30, 2015, 09:57:45 pm »
On the flip side, the Astros kept Phillips in Lancaster well beyond his demonstrating mastery of the level.  There may be something to him that only a few in the org know that they don't like.  So, compare his rise to Bregman's who they love.  He's already in Lancaster.

I got to stop following the minors.  It's just so addicting. 

One thing that may have also made Phillips more expendable is Tucker.  He's looking like a regular and not just a 4th outfielder. 

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« Reply #580 on: July 30, 2015, 10:00:33 pm »
I got to stop following the minors.  It's just so addicting. 
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« Reply #581 on: July 30, 2015, 10:02:02 pm »
Trading Brett Phillips hurt.  But ... for the next two years, the Astros will likely have a starting outfield of Gomez, Springer, and Tucker (I assume that Marisnick is going to be the odd man out).  The team also has Fisher, Kemp, and Teoscar with Cameron and Tucker further behind.   The Astros future in the outfield looks very bright even without Phillips.
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Trading Brett Phillips hurt.  But ... for the next two years, the Astros will likely have a starting outfield of Gomez, Springer, and Tucker (I assume that Marisnick is going to be the odd man out).  The team also has Fisher, Kemp, and Teoscar with Cameron and Tucker further behind.   The Astros future in the outfield looks very bright even without Phillips.

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« Reply #583 on: July 30, 2015, 10:21:12 pm »
Trading Brett Phillips hurt.  But ... for the next two years, the Astros will likely have a starting outfield of Gomez, Springer, and Tucker (I assume that Marisnick is going to be the odd man out).  The team also has Fisher, Kemp, and Teoscar with Cameron and Tucker further behind.   The Astros future in the outfield looks very bright even without Phillips.

He'll have to find a cf to replace Gomez.  Kemp could do it.  Hernandez has to hit above .210 against AA pitching to earn it.  Fisher is a LF.
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« Reply #584 on: July 30, 2015, 10:29:53 pm »
I wasn't trying to suggest that all of those guys could play centerfield.  But if the Astros are looking for a centerfielder for 2017 couldn't that be Springer if the other options aren't ready?
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I wasn't trying to suggest that all of those guys could play centerfield.  But if the Astros are looking for a centerfielder for 2017 couldn't that be Springer if the other options aren't ready?

As we're sitting here now RF looks thin too.  Maybe someone will step up.
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« Reply #586 on: July 30, 2015, 10:38:36 pm »
Rasmus goes to right until Springer gets back, right?
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Rasmus goes to right until Springer gets back, right?

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« Reply #588 on: July 30, 2015, 11:32:45 pm »
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« Reply #589 on: July 30, 2015, 11:37:38 pm »
Anyone else wondering if Fiers is going to be part of another deal?

I don't think so.  Fiers is a quality #3 on a good team.  I think they really need him to limit McCullers innings and he was the reason it took so much to get Gomez.

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« Reply #590 on: July 30, 2015, 11:49:25 pm »
I don't think so.  Fiers is a quality #3 on a good team.  I think they really need him to limit McCullers innings and he was the reason it took so much to get Gomez.

And yet in the presser Luhnow said he could start or relieve.  Nor would Hinch tonight admit to how he would be used.  It just seems weird to have worked on a deal for 3 weeks and not be able to say how a guy would be used.
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« Reply #591 on: July 30, 2015, 11:57:22 pm »
One article I read said the Astros refused to add Phillips to the deal unless Fiers was in it. Clearly he is important.

PH for Carter still has me wondering about tomorrow. Singleton looks to be coming awake too, and he sat. You minor league gurus can worry all you want about 2017. I am "intrigued" with what the lineup will look like going forward.

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« Reply #592 on: July 31, 2015, 12:01:18 am »
One article I read said the Astros refused to add Phillips to the deal unless Fiers was in it. Clearly he is important.

PH for Carter still has me wondering about tomorrow. Singleton looks to be coming awake too, and he sat. You minor league gurus can worry all you want about 2017. I am "intrigued" with what the lineup will look like going forward.

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« Reply #593 on: July 31, 2015, 12:14:36 am »
Good lord, people the team is in a position to win now and is maximizing the opportunity. This is directly related to the depth of the farm system that Luhnow up together. It's why these guys are available for trades.

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« Reply #594 on: July 31, 2015, 12:30:37 am »
As much as I'm glad they are going for it.  This was sacrificing the future for now.  The core of this team isn't even arbitration eligible this year.  Why go for broke so early?  Phillips is a 5 tool player who was likely going to be a key piece by mid next year.   Santana, Hader and Houser are easily replaced by other talent in the system.  Phillips on the other hand,  I just don't get it.  The Mets package was no where near this good.

Trading Brett Phillips for a guy of Gomez's caliber is not mortgaging the future.  Gomez is not past his prime at 29.  He's a five tool player himself, one that's shown all five tools at the big league level, and they have him at a minimum through next year.
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« Reply #595 on: July 31, 2015, 12:34:20 am »
This isn't a next few years deal.  This is 2015 and 2016.  Gomez is highly unlikely to sign here.  Boras is his agent so he'll be looking for the top dollar.

You have no clue who Gomez will sign with after 2016.  I suggest sitting back and enjoying the ride.
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« Reply #596 on: July 31, 2015, 12:35:10 am »
Good lord, people the team is in a position to win now and is maximizing the opportunity. This is directly related to the depth of the farm system that Luhnow up together. It's why these guys are available for trades.

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« Reply #597 on: July 31, 2015, 12:54:26 am »
Gomez seems like a right handed version of Rasmus - some speed, some pop, good fielder, flaky. Fiers could be the sleeper in the deal. He had  a very nice 2014.
Milwaukee got a huge haul. If the Astros make the playoffs this year and next and these two contribute it will be a good trade no matter what Phillips et al do with their careers.
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« Reply #598 on: July 31, 2015, 02:48:32 am »
Gomez seems like a right handed version of Rasmus - some speed, some pop, good fielder, flaky. Fiers could be the sleeper in the deal. He had  a very nice 2014.
Milwaukee got a huge haul. If the Astros make the playoffs this year and next and these two contribute it will be a good trade no matter what Phillips et al do with their careers.

I absolutely hate losing Phillips, but I can reconcile myself to it knowing that the Astros got a fair shake on the deal. Fiers will slide into the rotation at the #4 or 5 spot, and will allow the Astros to conserve innings for both McCullers and Velasquez. When you look at it, there's not a weak link in the rotation. Feldman is the weakest, but he's still a positive.

I think this takes Tony Kemp off the trading block for the foreseeable future. He's been playing a lot of CF lately, and I wouldn't be surprised if Luhnow and Co. Knew that a prospect of Phillips' stature might have to be included in a trade for a quality bat. I think we'll see Kemp in September, and see how he handles big league pitching. It sets up nicely for him to compete for the full time position next spring. That's going to be quite an outfield for 2016. Springer in RF, Kemp in CF, and Gomez in LF, with Tucker as the #4.

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« Reply #599 on: July 31, 2015, 05:50:17 am »
Apparently the addition of Gomez has made Marisnick available for trade

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« Reply #600 on: July 31, 2015, 06:10:00 am »
I could not agree more and said this during the game. To some, it almost seems like the minors are the more important team.

I can't speak for others but you get attached to these guys you follow in the minors.  I could care less if the minor league teams win or not.  The concern completely goes to what a guy like Phillips would do at the major league level.  Cannon arm, fast, good instinctive fielder, high average guy with some good pop in his bat.  Not just what he's done so far in the minors, but the brass and the experts have been talking up this guy for a while now.  You start to get really excited about what a guy like that will do.  You have to forgive folks if they take pause at what was just lost. 

Even with that.  I'm excited about what the big club has the potential to do this year and am enjoying the ride.  Gomez is really going to help solidify the lineup, adding a tough out in the middle.  No doubt that the trade has improved the club in the short term.
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« Reply #601 on: July 31, 2015, 06:10:05 am »
I know this is a realistic idea because of the crowded OF, but losing Marisnick will hurt me far more than losing prospects who I have never seen play. Marisnick is a big part of this team's success and seems to be very well-liked by his teammates. I will say selfishly he is a favorite of mine. Luhnow has done a great job thus far of not letting trades raid the dugout, but something has to give on the 25-man. Today will be very interesting to say the least.
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Agreed.  It may make sense to trade Marisnick, but personally there's nothing I've liked more than watching Marisnick in CF.  Not having him in the batters box might not mean much, but he's been nothing but excitement on the base paths and in center.
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« Reply #603 on: July 31, 2015, 07:01:39 am »
One article I read said the Astros refused to add Phillips to the deal unless Fiers was in it. Clearly he is important.

PH for Carter still has me wondering about tomorrow. Singleton looks to be coming awake too, and he sat. You minor league gurus can worry all you want about 2017. I am "intrigued" with what the lineup will look like going forward.

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« Reply #604 on: July 31, 2015, 07:18:44 am »
I wonder of Marisnick could play first base.
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« Reply #605 on: July 31, 2015, 07:36:34 am »
Today should be interesting.  Padres figure to be busy.

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« Reply #606 on: July 31, 2015, 07:45:54 am »
Good lord, people the team is in a position to win now and is maximizing the opportunity. This is directly related to the depth of the farm system that Luhnow up together. It's why these guys are available for trades.

And I'll never understand handwringing about what minor league prospects might be versus the reality of the opportunity today.


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« Reply #607 on: July 31, 2015, 07:48:22 am »
Boofuckinghoo. There be a draft next year.

Don't forget we drafted two HS outfielders (Tucker & Cameron) in the first 37 picks of this years draft.  You can't keep them all.

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« Reply #608 on: July 31, 2015, 08:22:30 am »
Padres-Kimbrel-Astros stuff still going on according to twiitter people.

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« Reply #609 on: July 31, 2015, 08:49:54 am »
I absolutely hate losing Phillips, but I can reconcile myself to it knowing that the Astros got a fair shake on the deal. Fiers will slide into the rotation at the #4 or 5 spot, and will allow the Astros to conserve innings for both McCullers and Velasquez. When you look at it, there's not a weak link in the rotation. Feldman is the weakest, but he's still a positive.

I think this takes Tony Kemp off the trading block for the foreseeable future. He's been playing a lot of CF lately, and I wouldn't be surprised if Luhnow and Co. Knew that a prospect of Phillips' stature might have to be included in a trade for a quality bat. I think we'll see Kemp in September, and see how he handles big league pitching. It sets up nicely for him to compete for the full time position next spring. That's going to be quite an outfield for 2016. Springer in RF, Kemp in CF, and Gomez in LF, with Tucker as the #4.

As much as this team is to watch now, I can only imagine what they'll look like in '16.

I don't see any way in hell Kemp is the CF with Gomez on this team. Gomez has Beltran circa 2004 talent. Hopefully the new environs will elevate his game much like the other Carlos.

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« Reply #610 on: July 31, 2015, 08:56:48 am »
I know this is a realistic idea because of the crowded OF, but losing Marisnic will hurt me far more than losing prospects who I have never seen play. Marisnick is a big part of this team's success and seems to be very well-liked by his teammates. I will say selfishly he is a favorite of mine. Luhnow has done a great job thus far of not letting trades raid the dugout, but something has to give on the 25-man. Today will be very interesting to say the least.

I agree with all of this. I don't know how important "chemistry" is on a ML team since I was not ever on one. But I fear you can go too far with too many changes this late in the year. But I also know Luhnow knows that and, like you, I trust his judgment.

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« Reply #611 on: July 31, 2015, 09:09:12 am »
Some candor from Luhnow.

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« Reply #612 on: July 31, 2015, 09:14:31 am »
Ugh. If McCullers goes I will be sick to my stomach.

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« Reply #613 on: July 31, 2015, 09:16:23 am »
Wow, would be shocked that they would trade McCullers
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« Reply #614 on: July 31, 2015, 09:19:22 am »
McCullers for Kimbrel makes no sense.  I can't see a deal with those as the main pieces, if anything it would fuck with clubhouse chemistry.

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« Reply #615 on: July 31, 2015, 09:21:31 am »
McCullers for Kimbrel makes no sense.  I can't see a deal with those as the main pieces, if anything it would fuck with clubhouse chemistry.

It would be tough to see a guy with so much early success at the big league level who is under club control for a long time be dealt.  He's not a prospect at this point--he's a pretty filthy MLB starting pitcher. 

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« Reply #616 on: July 31, 2015, 09:23:24 am »
I would rather trade Keuchel or Altuve than McCullers, but perfer to keep them all.

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« Reply #617 on: July 31, 2015, 09:25:05 am »
Let the deadline pass before all the handwringing begins.  All the speculation in the San Diego talks are Marisnick and prospects, including appel. McCullers name has not come up.
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« Reply #618 on: July 31, 2015, 09:26:08 am »
Ugh. If McCullers goes I will be sick to my stomach.

Not sure I'd worry about that happening. He said it in context of people he WAS NOT interested in trading: 

With the trade deadline fast approaching, Luhnow actually has a nucleus at the Major League level that he can deem “untouchable” for the first time in his tenure. “If someone wanted to trade for Lance McCullers, that’d be pretty tough. Obviously, Dallas Kuechel, José Altuve, George Springer and Carlos Correa aren’t going anywhere,” Luhnow said.

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« Reply #619 on: July 31, 2015, 09:44:43 am »
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« Reply #620 on: July 31, 2015, 09:48:31 am »
I don't have an opinion on this trade as I intend to just enjoy the ride, but all Astros fans, unless they have really short memories, should understand the importance of having players in the pipeline.

Well yeah, it's important to have players in the pipeline in order to help the major league club either through development or trades, which is how the Astros got to the position they are now in.  Keeping the pipeline stocked is the basis of Luhnow's philosophy and he's done a great job of it. 
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« Reply #621 on: July 31, 2015, 09:58:07 am »
Ugh. If McCullers goes I will be sick to my stomach.

I cannot imagine a scenario in which I would trade McCullers.
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« Reply #622 on: July 31, 2015, 10:00:12 am »
I can't speak for others but you get attached to these guys you follow in the minors.  I could care less if the minor league teams win or not.  The concern completely goes to what a guy like Phillips would do at the major league level.  Cannon arm, fast, good instinctive fielder, high average guy with some good pop in his bat.  Not just what he's done so far in the minors, but the brass and the experts have been talking up this guy for a while now.  You start to get really excited about what a guy like that will do.  You have to forgive folks if they take pause at what was just lost. 

Even with that.  I'm excited about what the big club has the potential to do this year and am enjoying the ride.  Gomez is really going to help solidify the lineup, adding a tough out in the middle.  No doubt that the trade has improved the club in the short term.


in my opinion, too attached. they are there to help the big club win, and that includes being traded to acquire major league talent.
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« Reply #623 on: July 31, 2015, 10:00:19 am »
Well yeah, it's important to have players in the pipeline in order to help the major league club either through development or trades, which is how the Astros got to the position they are now in.  Keeping the pipeline stocked is the basis of Luhnow's philosophy and he's done a great job of it.

At this time of the year, prospects are the currency of the deal.

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« Reply #624 on: July 31, 2015, 10:04:19 am »
Question:  Would the Astros trade Bregman to the Padres?

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« Reply #625 on: July 31, 2015, 10:05:49 am »
For those hand-wringing about the prospects, it is also important to consider where the team is in the life cycle of its core players.  This isn't a team where it's going all in for one last shot with a core group of aging veterans.  I think we all hope that Correa, Altuve, Springer, McCuellers, Keuchel, VV, etc. hold down their spots for the next 7+ years (longer, in some cases).  If all goes as hoped, there just won't be that many spots to fill on the every day roster relative to the abundance of talent that the organization has assembled at the MiLB level. 

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« Reply #626 on: July 31, 2015, 10:06:43 am »
Question:  Would the Astros trade Bregman to the Padres?

Who knows, but he'd have to be a PTBNL until next summer. 

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« Reply #627 on: July 31, 2015, 10:15:57 am »
One article I read said the Astros refused to add Phillips to the deal unless Fiers was in it. Clearly he is important.

PH for Carter still has me wondering about tomorrow. Singleton looks to be coming awake too, and he sat. You minor league gurus can worry all you want about 2017. I am "intrigued" with what the lineup will look like going forward.

I absolutely trust Luhnow.

I'm wondering if the moves are designed (to at least a small extent) to allow Singleton to play first (where he's the best defensive option) without the pressure of trying to be "the man".  An everyday lineup of Springer (RF), Lowrie (3b), Correa (SS), Gomez (CF), Altuve (2b), Tucker (LF) & Gattis (DH) allows you to play a Singleton at 1b with an eye towards patience.  Not unlimited patience, but more.

Valbuena playing 1st last night, to me (again...nobody) was doing him a favor to showcase a bit.

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« Reply #628 on: July 31, 2015, 10:18:37 am »
I wondered the same thing, Zipp. I have been a Carter fan all year, but Hinch cannot wait forever. Singleton is a damn good first baseman.
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« Reply #629 on: July 31, 2015, 10:20:18 am »
Who knows, but he'd have to be a PTBNL until next summer.

That rule changed in May:

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    Please be advised that the Commissioner’s Office and the Players Association have agreed to amend the Major League Rules in advance of this year’s Rule 4 Draft with respect to players-to-be-named-later (“PTBNLs”) under Rule 12(e)(2), and the trading of draft picks under Rule 3(b)(6). …commencing with players eligible for the 2015 Rule 4 Draft, (a) players selected in the Draft may be traded beginning on the day following the conclusion of the World Series, and (b) drafted players cannot be PTBNLs unless they otherwise could be traded pursuant to Rule 3(b)(6), as amended, at the time of the trade.

This amendment replaces the previous 12 month waiting period with a new no-trade restriction of roughly five months, allowing teams to then officially trade their most recent draft picks the following off-season. Instead of forcing teams to use the PTBNL loophole — those don’t have to be declared for six months, so a team could start trading draft picks six months after the draft previously — teams can now freely move these players, which will allow players in Turner’s situation going forward to change organizations in time for the next Spring Training.

So, Bregman and the rest of the draft class could not be included in any form (PTBNL, etc) in a trade before the conclusion of the World Series.

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« Reply #630 on: July 31, 2015, 10:21:40 am »


Who knows, but he'd have to be a PTBNL until next summer.

That rule was just changed. Drafted players can now be traded beginning the day after end of the WS in the year they were drafted. However, they cannot be traded even as PTBNL until that date.

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« Reply #631 on: July 31, 2015, 10:26:21 am »
Who knows, but he'd have to be a PTBNL until next summer.

Rule changed. Only until after the world series, and I think they closed the ptbnl loophole.

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« Reply #632 on: July 31, 2015, 10:27:27 am »
I wondered the same thing, Zipp. I have been a Carter fan all year, but Hinch cannot wait forever. Singleton is a damn good first baseman.

This assessment shocks me.

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« Reply #633 on: July 31, 2015, 10:34:34 am »
Valbuena playing 1st last night, to me (again...nobody) was doing him a favor to showcase a bit.

I was thinking the same thing.  With Lowrie playing third, Gonzalez having an awesome season as the utility infielder, Gattis at DH, and both Singleton and Carter at first, I can't believe that Valbuena has a real spot on the team.

I would be shocked if either Valbuena or Carter were not traded. 
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« Reply #634 on: July 31, 2015, 10:35:29 am »
One article I read said the Astros refused to add Phillips to the deal unless Fiers was in it. Clearly he is important.

PH for Carter still has me wondering about tomorrow. Singleton looks to be coming awake too, and he sat. You minor league gurus can worry all you want about 2017. I am "intrigued" with what the lineup will look like going forward.

I absolutely trust Luhnow.

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« Reply #635 on: July 31, 2015, 10:35:46 am »
To help some of my fellow Bus Riders stay calm keep a name in the back of your head: Jon Kemmer.  There may be a bit of a J.D. Martinez parallel going on for him.  He's done nothing but hit and for power since he was drafted.  And he can play RF.  He's a little older but fuck that.  He hits and doesn't make many errors.  This system is more stocked than the top 10/20/30 lists may lead you to believe.  I hate them and the misleading nature is why I don't do them for this place anymore.
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« Reply #636 on: July 31, 2015, 10:37:00 am »
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« Reply #637 on: July 31, 2015, 10:37:20 am »
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« Reply #638 on: July 31, 2015, 10:44:09 am »

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I've never thought of Singleton as anything more than an average first baseman, at best. Not going on any metrics or anything--just what I've seen. The highlight reel that runs in my mind is all balls he doesn't quite reach or can't quite hang onto.

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« Reply #640 on: July 31, 2015, 10:50:36 am »
I've never thought of Singleton as anything more than an average first baseman, at best. Not going on any metrics or anything--just what I've seen. The highlight reel that runs in my mind is all balls he doesn't quite reach or can't quite hang onto.

I used to have the same thoughts but those disappeared late last year when he did a lot of work to improve his receiving.  I've been pretty impressed by his digs this year.
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« Reply #641 on: July 31, 2015, 10:58:06 am »
I used to have the same thoughts but those disappeared late last year when he did a lot of work to improve his receiving.  I've been pretty impressed by his digs this year.

Agreed.  He has had some important catches over there.  Like the middle game against the Angels, the Angels were up 1-0 in the 2nd and Giavotella grounded out to third with 2 outs and Gillaspie on 3rd after a triple.  Singleton made a run scoring catch on an errant throw.   Or the game 2 weeks ago against the Rangers.  "Odor flied into double play, right to first, DeShields doubled off first."  Anyway, it was a tough hop from an unusual angle for a 1st baseman, and Singleton snagged it.    Assisted by Correa and Altuve deeking Deshields to delay his return.

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« Reply #642 on: July 31, 2015, 11:01:52 am »
Singleton optioned to make room for Gomez.

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« Reply #643 on: July 31, 2015, 11:07:38 am »
Singleton optioned to make room for Gomez.

there went my theory. what about for Fiers?
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« Reply #644 on: July 31, 2015, 11:10:24 am »
Singleton optioned to make room for Gomez.

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« Reply #645 on: July 31, 2015, 11:13:55 am »
there went my theory. what about for Fiers?

Velasquez would be the obvious choice, right?
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« Reply #646 on: July 31, 2015, 11:15:23 am »
Fiers pitched Wednesday, so no decision on making space until they need him according to the crap I read.

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« Reply #647 on: July 31, 2015, 11:18:07 am »
Singleton optioned to make room for Gomez.

Question.  What is the rule about recalling folks?  Isn't it 10 days unless there is an injury?

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« Reply #648 on: July 31, 2015, 11:46:37 am »
In former Astros news.

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« Reply #649 on: July 31, 2015, 11:47:38 am »
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Source: #Yankees are team in hottest pursuit of #Padres’ Kimbrel.

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More on Kimbrel: Now told #Yankees’ talks for him broke down yesterday and have not revived today. #Marlins’ Capps an option, as others say.

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« Reply #650 on: July 31, 2015, 11:51:00 am »
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« Reply #651 on: July 31, 2015, 12:22:27 pm »
I have to say I'm pretty excited about the team that is on the field now. It's gonna be fun to watch.
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« Reply #652 on: July 31, 2015, 12:47:57 pm »
I have to say I'm pretty excited about the team that is on the field now. It's gonna be fun to watch.

I'm watching last night's game (from the 8th inning) now. Kazmir's standing O was a thing of beauty in and of itself. What a crowd! And I got to see (or had to, depending on your perspective) all those lonesome losses the past three years.

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« Reply #653 on: July 31, 2015, 12:56:33 pm »
I wondered the same thing, Zipp. I have been a Carter fan all year, but Hinch cannot wait forever. Singleton is a damn good first baseman.

Singleton is the *best* first baseman I've seen play for Houston in a good long while. He's a beast around that bag!

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« Reply #654 on: July 31, 2015, 12:57:56 pm »
I think Singleton gets sent down.


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« Reply #655 on: July 31, 2015, 12:58:11 pm »
I'm starting to wonder if we're one of the few teams left that the Padres can work a deal with.  In addition, I tend to think they are pretty motivated to make a deal to try and correct a lot of the moves they made during the winter meetings.  Maybe a nice deal ends up falling into Luhnow's lap?  I must say however that I'm mighty happy about the moves we've made (the willingness to deal more than anything) thus far, even if nothing else transpires. 

As always I thank all of you for always helping me to a get to a level of better understanding about the teams' situation.  Where we've been, where we are, and hopefully where we're heading.  Time to simply sit back and enjoy the ride.

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« Reply #656 on: July 31, 2015, 01:08:58 pm »
Shows what I know...

FWIW - I thought the same thing you did. And I don't think you are entirely wrong in terms of Valbuena. His defense is exceptional, but for a middle of the lineup hitter, he has to improve his offense just a tad. I liked your assessment that moving Singleton into the lower part of the lineup makes for a very good option to have both a good defense, up and coming stick in the majors type of improvement. I would venture a guess that if Valbuena is playing first for an extended period of time, his slot in the lineup will be lower to allow him to contribute while he figures out how to play that corner. Lowrie playing third or first is an option to fully explore, so it should be fun to watch for several weeks (if I had Roots Sports! :) ) to see what exactly Hinch and Co. will do to put the maximum effort on defense and offense for this team on the field. That includes Singleton IMHO.

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« Reply #657 on: July 31, 2015, 01:12:53 pm »
I can't speak for others but you get attached to these guys you follow in the minors.  I could care less if the minor league teams win or not.  The concern completely goes to what a guy like Phillips would do at the major league level.  Cannon arm, fast, good instinctive fielder, high average guy with some good pop in his bat.  Not just what he's done so far in the minors, but the brass and the experts have been talking up this guy for a while now.  You start to get really excited about what a guy like that will do.  You have to forgive folks if they take pause at what was just lost. 

Even with that.  I'm excited about what the big club has the potential to do this year and am enjoying the ride.  Gomez is really going to help solidify the lineup, adding a tough out in the middle.  No doubt that the trade has improved the club in the short term.

I can envision ownership giving instructions to step up the 5-year plan and damn the torpedoes. Crane surely must wish for some vindication and authentication from all of the bad press and hard feelings when he took over. Plus the added revenue winning brings. We are soon back to school and the NFL starts and attendance normally tanks.



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« Reply #658 on: July 31, 2015, 01:27:14 pm »
I can envision ownership giving instructions to step up the 5-year plan and damn the torpedoes. Crane surely must wish for some vindication and authentication from all of the bad press and hard feelings when he took over. Plus the added revenue winning brings. We are soon back to school and the NFL starts and attendance normally tanks.

Owners also function with a bit of ego. When you factor in the love for the Rockets and Texans (maybe some for the Dynamo), no owner wants to be the one with the still improving team in town. I think they feel they are close enough now to go ahead and surround the core kids with the veteran MLB caliber players to make a legitimate push to the playoffs. If they don't make it this year, they will be seen as a definite threat next season. Plus it helps to have the youngsters experience pushing towards a playoffs with the veterans to teach them how to handle the pressure. That is the biggest investment (IMHO) when you have your core team of youngsters in place. Correa being brought up and not failing miserably probably was the convincing factor for this team. I thought Springer last year had a similar effect, but his inability to stay healthy derailed that momentum until this year.

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« Reply #659 on: July 31, 2015, 01:51:44 pm »
I can envision ownership giving instructions to step up the 5-year plan and damn the torpedoes. Crane surely must wish for some vindication and authentication from all of the bad press and hard feelings when he took over. Plus the added revenue winning brings. We are soon back to school and the NFL starts and attendance normally tanks.

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« Reply #660 on: July 31, 2015, 02:01:20 pm »
Added revenue includes the announcement this afternoon that the Astros have informed season-ticket holders of an increase in prices of at least 20 percent in just over half the categories for 2016.

Reid Ryan was on Dallas sports radio this week and he was asked how he worked with Jeff Luhnow. He said Jeff's job is to get the players that can win and my job is to get him the money to keep them.
A sidebar from that conversation, he asked Luhnow why all of the infield shifting but the data that was supplied convinced him that it made sense.

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« Reply #661 on: July 31, 2015, 02:08:49 pm »
Here's the latest rumor mill recap   http://www.astroscounty.com/p/73115-running-post.html

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« Reply #662 on: July 31, 2015, 02:11:00 pm »
Here's the latest rumor mill recap   http://www.astroscounty.com/p/73115-running-post.html

Thanks!  Going to be an exciting last 45 minutes or so.

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« Reply #663 on: July 31, 2015, 02:27:01 pm »
Thanks!  Going to be an exciting last 45 minutes or so.

Who would've thought going into this season that the Astros would stand a decent chance at getting either Craig Kimbrel or Aroldis Chapman at the trade deadline?
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« Reply #665 on: July 31, 2015, 02:31:56 pm »
Who would've thought going into this season that the Astros would stand a decent chance at getting either Craig Kimbrel or Aroldis Chapman at the trade deadline?

Ok, so to help pass the time...your vote, Chapman or Kimbrel.  The whole big money over an extended amount of time aside, I'm going Kimbrel.  I like the idea of acquiring players under control for a few years.

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« Reply #666 on: July 31, 2015, 02:36:06 pm »
Ok, so to help pass the time...your vote, Chapman or Kimbrel.  The whole big money over an extended amount of time aside, I'm going Kimbrel.  I like the idea of acquiring players under control for a few years.
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« Reply #667 on: July 31, 2015, 02:48:13 pm »
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« Reply #668 on: July 31, 2015, 02:48:28 pm »
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« Reply #669 on: July 31, 2015, 02:49:04 pm »
Ok, so to help pass the time...your vote, Chapman or Kimbrel.  The whole big money over an extended amount of time aside, I'm going Kimbrel.  I like the idea of acquiring players under control for a few years.

It's pretty hard to turn your back on a 104 mph firebombing portsider, but I am. Kimbrel.
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« Reply #670 on: July 31, 2015, 02:51:57 pm »
Cubs just acquired Dan Haren.
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« Reply #671 on: July 31, 2015, 02:54:12 pm »
Cespedes to Mets.

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« Reply #672 on: July 31, 2015, 03:00:33 pm »
So, nada for us?
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« Reply #673 on: July 31, 2015, 03:02:06 pm »
So, nada for us?

In the past, you'd have deals come out of the woodwork a couple hours after the deadline.  Today, I'm giving us till 5 minutes after the deadline before I give it up.

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« Reply #674 on: July 31, 2015, 03:04:18 pm »
Confirmed, nada
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« Reply #675 on: July 31, 2015, 03:05:08 pm »
Confirmed, nada

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« Reply #676 on: July 31, 2015, 03:07:39 pm »
I'd think they would have right up to the deadline for agreements, with announcements trickling in after the deadline. So there may be some other team announcements trickling in.

I'm surprised nothing apparently happened with the Padres.
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« Reply #677 on: July 31, 2015, 03:08:04 pm »
And I'm perfectly fine with that outcome.

Same. Chapman sounded interesting though.
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« Reply #678 on: July 31, 2015, 03:08:13 pm »
Trade deadline done. Time for the stretch run boys, let's do this

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I'm surprised nothing apparently happened with the Padres.

Agreed.

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« Reply #680 on: July 31, 2015, 03:09:24 pm »
Padres FO must be a lot of fun right now.

Look forward to seeing Gomez and Fiers in action. This team can finish out the season in first place.

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« Reply #681 on: July 31, 2015, 03:10:36 pm »
Trade deadline done. Time for the stretch run boys, let's do this

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« Reply #682 on: July 31, 2015, 03:11:29 pm »
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« Reply #683 on: July 31, 2015, 03:13:32 pm »
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« Reply #685 on: July 31, 2015, 03:18:05 pm »
Only one thing left to do.

Win the whole damn thing?
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« Reply #686 on: July 31, 2015, 03:18:31 pm »
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« Reply #687 on: July 31, 2015, 03:19:19 pm »
Win the whole damn thing?

Thank goodness it was that movie.  I'm too old for a toga party.
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« Reply #688 on: July 31, 2015, 03:19:27 pm »
Just saw a pic on Twitter - very punchable face
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Thought sure there would be a deal.
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« Reply #691 on: July 31, 2015, 03:28:09 pm »
Preller may not be much of a GM, but he'd make a great politician.

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« Reply #692 on: July 31, 2015, 03:28:09 pm »
The Pirates acquired Happ. That's a surprise.
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« Reply #693 on: July 31, 2015, 03:28:52 pm »
Delusional

He must be the anti-Luhnow.
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« Reply #694 on: July 31, 2015, 03:45:37 pm »
the Padres traded with the Indians.  strangest thing I've ever seen.
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He must be the anti-Luhnow.


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« Reply #698 on: July 31, 2015, 07:12:19 pm »
Apparently San Diego isn't aware that the Astros drafted the best high school SS in the first round of the 2009 draft.

He's even a hometown boy, if I remember correctly. Surely that's worth something.
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« Reply #699 on: August 02, 2015, 02:09:02 am »
I don't see any way in hell Kemp is the CF with Gomez on this team. Gomez has Beltran circa 2004 talent. Hopefully the new environs will elevate his game much like the other Carlos.

Let me clarify my position Kemp.  I wasn't saying that I would prefer to try him there, but that I believe the organization is going to.  On the hopes that 'll continue to hit in the big leagues as he has in the minors, I think they'll try every possible way to get his bat in the lineup.  He's not going to play 2b with Altuve around, and Gomez would be just fine in one of the corners.  It's not my preference, however...I was just speculation on what the brass might be thinking.

My preference would be to keep Marisnick out there.  Nobody knows Tal's Hill as well as he does.  I'm afraid Gomez is in for a steep learning curve for the rest of the season.  I know, Marisnick's bat is questionable on a good day, but he saves as many runs as he produces.  Then next season, with the hill gone, Gomez can take over in a more fielder-friendly CF. 

I'm not quite ready to give up on Marisnick's bat, either.  If he can make some adjustments in the offseason, I'd be all for keeping him around.  If he could hit .250-.260, he'd be a more-than-adequate hitter in the bottom third of the lineup.  I think an OF lineup with Marisnick in CF, and Gomez and Springer in the corners, would be the best defensive lineup in all of baseball.

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« Reply #700 on: August 02, 2015, 06:37:35 am »
Let me clarify my position Kemp.  I wasn't saying that I would prefer to try him there, but that I believe the organization is going to.  On the hopes that 'll continue to hit in the big leagues as he has in the minors, I think they'll try every possible way to get his bat in the lineup.  He's not going to play 2b with Altuve around, and Gomez would be just fine in one of the corners.  It's not my preference, however...I was just speculation on what the brass might be thinking.

My preference would be to keep Marisnick out there.  Nobody knows Tal's Hill as well as he does.  I'm afraid Gomez is in for a steep learning curve for the rest of the season.  I know, Marisnick's bat is questionable on a good day, but he saves as many runs as he produces.  Then next season, with the hill gone, Gomez can take over in a more fielder-friendly CF. 



I'm not quite ready to give up on Marisnick's bat, either.  If he can make some adjustments in the offseason, I'd be all for keeping him around.  If he could hit .250-.260, he'd be a more-than-adequate hitter in the bottom third of the lineup.  I think an OF lineup with Marisnick in CF, and Gomez and Springer in the corners, would be the best defensive lineup in all of baseball.
No doubt about that, but what do you do with Tucker next year? I like Marisnick a lot too, but he is at the bottom of the list looking up when Springer returns this year, and assuming Rasmus leaves next year, he is no better than 4th. Rasmus has been really good, and I hate to lose his LH bat.
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« Reply #701 on: August 02, 2015, 07:57:11 am »
No doubt about that, but what do you do with Tucker next year? I like Marisnick a lot too, but he is at the bottom of the list looking up when Springer returns this year, and assuming Rasmussen leaves next year, he is no better than 4th. Rasmussen has been really good, and I hate to lose his LH bat.

I agree about Tucker's bat. I like the way that Tucker hangs in there against portsiders too. I love Marisnick too, but he's starting to look like a Sam Fuld or Peter Bourjos, i.e., more of a spare part/defensive replacement. We're blessed to have the talent that we have.
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« Reply #702 on: August 02, 2015, 08:09:51 am »
Tucker's swing is remarkably level all the way through the zone, regardless of whether the pitch is high or low. It's really something to see.
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« Reply #703 on: August 02, 2015, 08:20:52 am »
Tucker's swing is remarkably level all the way through the zone, regardless of whether the pitch is high or low. It's really something to see.

He's got a pretty swing. I hear that his brother's swing is pretty too, but I've not seen it.
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« Reply #704 on: August 02, 2015, 08:38:05 am »
I gotta figure they will find a place for Tucker, when Springer comes back and beyond. Either sacrificing some defense in left, trading Gattis and move him to DH or trying him at first (next year). I'd bet he becomes full time DH.

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« Reply #705 on: August 02, 2015, 10:53:10 am »
I don't think Tal's Hill will have any effect on Gomez. It doesn't come into play very often. Gomez is here to play...now not just next year.
I know Luhnow likes Kemp and he's said he could be the club's leadoff  next year IF they can find him a spot to play.

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« Reply #706 on: August 02, 2015, 10:57:20 am »
He's got a pretty swing. I hear that his brother's swing is pretty too, but I've not seen it.

I haven't seen it either (Kyle's swing) but it conjured some pundit to make comparisons to Teddy Ballgame. That's no doubt hyperbole but by all reports he is a better athlete and has greater potential as a hitter than Preston. And an entirely different body build. Tall and lean.

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« Reply #707 on: August 02, 2015, 11:03:37 am »
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« Reply #708 on: August 02, 2015, 11:14:38 am »
I haven't seen it either (Kyle's swing) but it conjured some pundit to make comparisons to Teddy Ballgame. That's no doubt hyperbole but by all reports he is a better athlete and has greater potential as a hitter than Preston. And an entirely different body build. Tall and lean.
I went through some videos of Tucker on youtube, and while I have no qualifications to evaluate him, I can at least say that he looks like he should be in black and white with a baggy uniform wearing a cap instead of a helmet.

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« Reply #709 on: August 02, 2015, 11:37:30 am »
No doubt about that, but what do you do with Tucker next year? I like Marisnick a lot too, but he is at the bottom of the list looking up when Springer returns this year, and assuming Rasmus leaves next year, he is no better than 4th. Rasmus has been really good, and I hate to lose his LH bat.

I think they spend the offseason and spring training seeing if Tucker can play 1B. 
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« Reply #710 on: August 02, 2015, 12:11:37 pm »
Young Tucker video.

http://m.mlb.com/video/v37009163/draft-report-kyle-tucker-hs-outfielder

This offseason is gonna be really interesting.  The Astros have some + players to build around, I would think the only sure things are, Springer/Gomez in RF/CF.  Altuve/Correa 2B/SS.  Gattis DH. 

Finding a bat to fit in the middle of the order, that can play either 1st or LF seems like it would be the 1 area to address in the field.  Outside of that, this is one heck of a roster.

Astros have already announced a 20% increase for tickets prices next year, how much will Crane be willing to spend to land a free agent, and sign Kazmir?   

Crane/Luhnow have really put this franchise in a great position to go on run for a bunch of years. 



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« Reply #711 on: August 02, 2015, 12:46:28 pm »
Agree the glaring hole is that big, consistent bat at LF/1B.  That and re-signing a 1/2 type pitcher.  Given the push Lunhow made for a back end RP both during the last FA period and the trade deadline I would guess he sees that as an issue as well.
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« Reply #712 on: August 02, 2015, 01:01:00 pm »
I don't think Tal's Hill will have any effect on Gomez. It doesn't come into play very often. Gomez is here to play...now not just next year.
I know Luhnow likes Kemp and he's said he could be the club's leadoff  next year IF they can find him a spot to play.
Yeah, I don't think the Hill will give Gomez too many problems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WylVhF1kYew
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« Reply #713 on: August 02, 2015, 01:45:58 pm »
Yeah, I don't think the Hill will give Gomez too many problems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WylVhF1kYew

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« Reply #714 on: August 02, 2015, 02:43:14 pm »
My preference would be to keep Marisnick out there.  Nobody knows Tal's Hill as well as he does.  I'm afraid Gomez is in for a steep learning curve for the rest of the season.

A steep learning curve indeed.

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« Reply #719 on: August 02, 2015, 05:39:31 pm »
No doubt about that, but what do you do with Tucker next year? I like Marisnick a lot too, but he is at the bottom of the list looking up when Springer returns this year, and assuming Rasmus leaves next year, he is no better than 4th. Rasmus has been really good, and I hate to lose his LH bat.

Good post.  It's a great problem to have, isn't it? 

Seriously, Tuckert played 1b in high school and college, so I'm a little surprised he's not gotten a chance to play there.  Carter and Singleton weren't holding anyone back, that's for sure.  I hope Tucker's given a shot to make the position his next spring.  He's a rarity in that he is a lefty who hits lefties almost as well as he does righties.  In my opinion, he's gotta play somewhere, even if it's DH (I know, what to do with Gattis in that scenario).

Marisnick made another phenomenal play today, and that only reinforces to me that he also needs to be in the outfield, if he can hit .250 or better.  Does he have the arm for RF once Gomez in entrenched in center? 

When everything is considered, it just may be that there's just too much offensive firepower between Springer, Gomez, Tucker, & Rasmus for Marisnick to  have a position to play.  Like I said, however - it's a nice problem to have.

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« Reply #720 on: August 02, 2015, 06:20:26 pm »
Good post.  It's a great problem to have, isn't it? 

Seriously, Tuckert played 1b in high school and college, so I'm a little surprised he's not gotten a chance to play there.  Carter and Singleton weren't holding anyone back, that's for sure.  I hope Tucker's given a shot to make the position his next spring.  He's a rarity in that he is a lefty who hits lefties almost as well as he does righties.  In my opinion, he's gotta play somewhere, even if it's DH (I know, what to do with Gattis in that scenario).

Marisnick made another phenomenal play today, and that only reinforces to me that he also needs to be in the outfield, if he can hit .250 or better.  Does he have the arm for RF once Gomez in entrenched in center? 

When everything is considered, it just may be that there's just too much offensive firepower between Springer, Gomez, Tucker, & Rasmus for Marisnick to  have a position to play.  Like I said, however - it's a nice problem to have.

I think that your well considered post is correct on all scores. I love Marishick's defense, but, in order to compete, he gives away too many outs right now. But if he could hit .250-260 and play hellacious defense and steal some bags, he would play on my team.
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« Reply #721 on: August 02, 2015, 07:16:23 pm »
I think that your well considered post is correct on all scores. I love Marishick's defense, but, in order to compete, he gives away too many outs right now. But if he could hit .250-260 and play hellacious defense and steal some bags, he would play on my team.

There are other guys getting a lot of time on this team not hitting .250. And they don't add the value defensively that Marisnick does. And I think that's a lot of the problem. Because the bottom of the order is so weak offensively there is pressure to get better and OF is an easier place to find help than 1B or catcher. (I know this is bad timing to be talking about the Astros catchers not hitting). The lineup looks so much better with Lowrie back and Gomez in it...from top to bottom.

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« Reply #722 on: August 02, 2015, 07:40:32 pm »
I think we're going to see a lot of Marisnick as a late-inning defensive replacement in the OF.  If Tucker or even Rasmus starts, that doesn't mean that they'll be roaming the corners in the late innings.
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« Reply #723 on: August 02, 2015, 07:43:33 pm »
I think we're going to see a lot of Marisnick as a late-inning defensive replacement in the OF.  If Tucker or even Rasmus starts, that doesn't mean that they'll be roaming the corners in the late innings.

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« Reply #724 on: August 03, 2015, 09:47:21 am »
As long as Reed keeps progressing, he's going to get a shot at taking over 1b at some point next year.  Hopefully he'll stick and the revolving door will be over.
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« Reply #725 on: August 03, 2015, 10:07:25 am »
As long as Reed keeps progressing, he's going to get a shot at taking over 1b at some point next year.  Hopefully he'll stick and the revolving door will be over.

Right now he needs to focus on right now.  He's in a bit of a slump and needs to make adjustments.  He's lost 32 points on his batting average over the last 10 games.  Don't count Singleton out either.  He was heating up when they sent him down.
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« Reply #726 on: August 03, 2015, 11:10:57 am »
I believe 1B/3B/DH Tyler White deserves an opportunity.  Seems like he's an option to help the Astros now.  Only 3 errors at 1B in 607.1 innings of minor league work over three seasons.  Offensively, he's been on fire at Fresno since his promotion from Corpus.       

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« Reply #727 on: August 03, 2015, 11:46:48 am »
I believe 1B/3B/DH Tyler White deserves an opportunity.  Seems like he's an option to help the Astros now.  Only 3 errors at 1B in 607.1 innings of minor league work over three seasons.  Offensively, he's been on fire at Fresno since his promotion from Corpus.     

Luhnow has mentioned White on his weekly radio show. He didn't exactly say he was intriguing but he is on the radar.
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« Reply #728 on: August 03, 2015, 11:56:07 am »
Luhnow has mentioned White on his weekly radio show. He didn't exactly say he was intriguing but he is on the radar.
Yesterday he mentioned Moran as being a underrated prospect who was slowed with freak injuries this year but is getting it together. Said he was good offensively and defensively. He also still speaks highly of Stassi.

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« Reply #729 on: August 03, 2015, 12:04:42 pm »
Don't count Singleton out either. 
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« Reply #730 on: August 03, 2015, 12:40:10 pm »
With White, Reed and Singleton in the works next year, one suppose that Gattis and/or Carter would be on the trade block this winter. 

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« Reply #731 on: August 03, 2015, 01:32:37 pm »
With White, Reed and Singleton in the works next year, one suppose that Gattis and/or Carter would be on the trade block this winter. 

Carter is absolutely a non-tender candidate if he can't get his shit together.
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« Reply #732 on: August 03, 2015, 02:00:54 pm »
Carter is absolutely a non-tender candidate if he can't get his shit together.
Yep. Gattis is probably staying put, though. He's cheaper, better, and has more years of control remaining. He's also having the worst season of his career, so trading him after this year would be selling low.

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« Reply #733 on: August 03, 2015, 02:10:25 pm »
Yep. Gattis is probably staying put, though. He's cheaper, better, and has more years of control remaining. He's also having the worst season of his career, so trading him after this year would be selling low.

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I like Gattis and hope they keep him around.

Plus... I'd want him around in the event of a bench clearing brawl.

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« Reply #735 on: August 03, 2015, 02:25:53 pm »
Plus... I'd want him around in the event of a bench clearing brawl.

I hadn't thought of that.

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Plus... I'd want him around in the event of a bench clearing brawl.
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« Reply #737 on: August 03, 2015, 02:53:15 pm »
Nobody wants to fight that mammoth of a man
I hear Chris Carter can take him in arm wrestling.

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« Reply #738 on: August 03, 2015, 02:56:34 pm »
I hear Chris Carter can take him in arm wrestling.
The jury is out on that, Carter is too damn slow for a fight though. Gattis has that triple speed

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« Reply #739 on: August 03, 2015, 03:46:41 pm »
I like Gattis and hope they keep him around.

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« Reply #740 on: August 03, 2015, 04:00:43 pm »
I keep imagining a cop movie w/ Gattis and Carter as the squad car partners. 
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« Reply #741 on: August 03, 2015, 04:08:36 pm »
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« Reply #742 on: August 03, 2015, 05:11:09 pm »
Tucker, yes, Rasmus not so much.

Rasmus can flat go get the ball. Him in LF and Marisnick in RF for defense.
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« Reply #743 on: August 03, 2015, 05:25:55 pm »
Rasmus can flat go get the ball. Him in LF and Marisnick in RF for defense.

That is what I meant, not sure it came across that way.
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« Reply #744 on: August 03, 2015, 07:13:20 pm »
Rasmus has an arm too .
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« Reply #745 on: August 04, 2015, 09:41:03 am »
Rasmus has an arm too .

I've been very impressed with Rasmus.  He's the perfect prototypical 4th outfielder.  Good at all aspects of the game and is consistent if he is spot starting or has to come in for an extended time due to injury to another OF.  Heck, he'd be an excellent 1-3 OF on any number of MLB teams.
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« Reply #746 on: August 04, 2015, 10:18:09 am »
I've been very impressed with Rasmus.  He's the perfect prototypical 4th outfielder.  Good at all aspects of the game and is consistent if he is spot starting or has to come in for an extended time due to injury to another OF.  Heck, he'd be an excellent 1-3 OF on any number of MLB teams.

He knows how to play the game, too, and doesn't make mental errors. Just quietly does his job. Those are the kind of guys that are good to have around.

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« Reply #747 on: August 04, 2015, 10:36:40 am »
He knows how to play the game, too, and doesn't make mental errors. Just quietly does his job. Those are the kind of guys that are good to have around.

So, with the benefit of hindsight, we can be pretty sure that La Russa was the one being an asshole. 
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« Reply #748 on: August 04, 2015, 10:41:53 am »
So, with the benefit of hindsight, we can be pretty sure that La Russa was the one being an asshole.

Rasmus didn't fit in Toronto, either. Seems to be much happier here.

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« Reply #749 on: August 04, 2015, 11:02:24 am »
I would happily shell out another $8 million of Jim Crane's money to keep Rasmus around next season.

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« Reply #750 on: August 04, 2015, 11:17:10 am »
Rasmus didn't fit in Toronto, either. Seems to be much happier here.

I think the difference is perception.  When HOU signed Rasmus I'm sure they accepted him for the player that he had been, and would continue to be.  No need trying to change the man, his swing, etc.  I believe STL, and then TOR when they traded for him, looked at him as a player on the cusp of being a perennial Allstar.  When he didn't produce like one for either organization, well...

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« Reply #751 on: August 04, 2015, 12:31:55 pm »
I've been very impressed with Rasmus.  He's the perfect prototypical 4th outfielder.  Good at all aspects of the game and is consistent if he is spot starting or has to come in for an extended time due to injury to another OF.  Heck, he'd be an excellent 1-3 OF on any number of MLB teams.
I'm curious why you say 4th OF. While they've platooned him some, he's certainly started a majority of games this year. And I don't think any team signs a guy for $8m/yr with the intention of him being a #4 OF. Well, maybe the Dodgers.
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« Reply #752 on: August 04, 2015, 01:25:33 pm »
So, with the benefit of hindsight, we can be pretty sure that La Russa was the one being an asshole.

I don't know much about that but I remember that was put out there was that his dad was too involved in his hitting coaching and the coaching staff was frustrated with him. Luhnow knew him from the Cards, may have drafted him, and apparently didn't have an issue.

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« Reply #753 on: August 04, 2015, 01:26:06 pm »
I'm curious why you say 4th OF. While they've platooned him some, he's certainly started a majority of games this year. And I don't think any team signs a guy for $8m/yr with the intention of him being a #4 OF. Well, maybe the Dodgers.

I was thinking about that as well.  It almost seems like Hinch runs everybody in and out of the outfield so much that there's really no 4th outfielder, or maybe there are 4 of them.  Maybe that changes with Gomez here and Marisnick not starting as much in center.
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« Reply #754 on: August 04, 2015, 02:02:46 pm »
I was thinking about that as well.  It almost seems like Hinch runs everybody in and out of the outfield so much that there's really no 4th outfielder, or maybe there are 4 of them.  Maybe that changes with Gomez here and Marisnick not starting as much in center.

With Springer out, Gomez slips in easy with everyone still getting the same at bats as before.  When Springer returns in September, it will be interesting to see how Hinch spreads out the at bats

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« Reply #755 on: August 04, 2015, 02:46:11 pm »
I was thinking about that as well.  It almost seems like Hinch runs everybody in and out of the outfield so much that there's really no 4th outfielder, or maybe there are 4 of them.  Maybe that changes with Gomez here and Marisnick not starting as much in center.

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« Reply #756 on: August 04, 2015, 03:06:57 pm »
Rasmus is the Rover. There.... Fixed.

Marisnick would make a better rover.
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He's got a pretty swing. I hear that his brother's swing is pretty too, but I've not seen it.

Video I've seen makes me compare his swing to sweet swinging Will Clark. I've heard that some say his swing is really comparable to Ted Williams. That would be nice.

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« Reply #758 on: August 04, 2015, 03:53:26 pm »
I've heard that some say his swing is really comparable to Ted Williams. That would be nice.

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« Reply #759 on: August 04, 2015, 04:37:30 pm »
That was Gammons' line.

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« Reply #760 on: August 07, 2015, 11:47:06 pm »
Astros just acquired Oliver Perez from the Dbacks.

ETA: exchanged for LHP Junior Garcia at short season A ball.
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« Reply #761 on: August 08, 2015, 12:34:55 am »
Wonder who gets sent down or cut?
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« Reply #762 on: August 08, 2015, 12:39:39 am »
Wonder who gets sent down or cut?

Defund to the 60 day DL to make room on the 40 man.

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« Reply #763 on: August 08, 2015, 03:25:19 am »
Shouldn't need 40-man since straily was dfa. As far as active roster, I'd be shocked if it wasn't wojo

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« Reply #764 on: August 08, 2015, 08:52:23 am »
Shouldn't need 40-man since straily was dfa. As far as active roster, I'd be shocked if it wasn't wojo

Straily is still on the 40-man. 

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« Reply #765 on: August 08, 2015, 10:04:37 am »
Straily is still on the 40-man.

Doesn't the DFA take something like 7 days?  I didn't think the removal from the 40-man was automatic.

ETA:  other wise it would be called the Assigned.
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« Reply #766 on: August 08, 2015, 10:45:16 am »
Doesn't the DFA take something like 7 days?  I didn't think the removal from the 40-man was automatic.

ETA:  other wise it would be called the Assigned.

Houston has optioned Straily, the club announced, indicating that he was only designated off of the active roster for purposes of passing him through optional assignment waivers.
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« Reply #767 on: August 08, 2015, 11:38:41 am »
Astros just acquired Oliver Perez from the Dbacks.

ETA: exchanged for LHP Junior Garcia at short season A ball.

Really sweet pickup.  Gives them 2 Sipp options in the bully.  Perez has been pretty nasty against lefties this year.  And he's not too bad against righties. 
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Astros just acquired Oliver Perez from the Dbacks.

ETA: exchanged for LHP Junior Garcia at short season A ball.

Garcia was one of the arms I was excited about this year.  He dominated in Gville before his promotion.  So the price is not cheap.  But I have been excited about a lot of arms in Rookie ball that haven't made it past AA. 
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« Reply #769 on: August 08, 2015, 07:11:51 pm »
Garcia was one of the arms I was excited about this year.  He dominated in Gville before his promotion.  So the price is not cheap.  But I have been excited about a lot of arms in Rookie ball that haven't made it past AA.
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« Reply #770 on: August 17, 2015, 05:34:01 pm »
Rosenthal says the Phils liked the Astros offer for Hamels more than the Rangers offer. Offer allegedly included Phillips and Hader among others. I wonder if it was pretty much the package the Brewers got for Gomez/Fiers.

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« Reply #771 on: August 17, 2015, 06:11:36 pm »
Hamels has given up 16 hits, 3 walks and 9 earned runs in 13.2 innings for Texas. He missed his last start with a strained groin suffered in an incident involving Prince Fielder and a buffet table. Here's hoping that Seattle delivers him a good hammering tonight.
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