Free agent rumors

[Nate Colbert]

or wild ass speculation with no substantive basis, take your pick.

First up, RHSP Jason Hammel. Astros supposedly one of 12 teams who've called with the FUYankees also in the mix.

LHSP Francisco Liriano. In more of a "let's see what sticks to the wall" vein, Drellich cogitates that IF in the unlikely event the club were to go after a player with a QO attached then Liriano might be that guy.

[Nate Colbert]

‏@Ken_Rosenthal  tweets:

Sources: #Astros, looking for help on left side of IF, have checked in on Hanley. Team has Correa coming at SS; Moran, Ruiz at 3B. So...

It is unclear whether #Astros would be willing to sign Hanley to a contract as large as he wants. Might prefer more short-term solutions.

[austro]

‏@Ken_Rosenthal  tweets:

Speaking of Correa, has anybody heard anything about his activities recently? Is he working out again?

[Nate Colbert]

Speaking of Correa, has anybody heard anything about his activities recently? Is he working out again?

Yeah, has been for a couple of months now.

[MusicMan]

Speaking of Correa, has anybody heard anything about his activities recently? Is he working out again?

From Moberg, replying to Rosenthal:

@MorganEnsberg: @Ken_Rosenthal I think we should put Correa up there right now. Kid is special. He'll figure it out. High character guy and leader. @astros

[pots]

From Moberg, replying to Rosenthal:

@MorganEnsberg: @Ken_Rosenthal I think we should put Correa up there right now. Kid is special. He'll figure it out. High character guy and leader. @astros

Sure and every time things aren't working, change your stance.  And don't be afraid to take one down the middle.

ETA
I could see starting him at AA, and if he hits there a June promotion to AAA then maybe July.  But that would be rushing it.  Is there any precedence for a guy skipping AA and AAA?  (Any successful precedence)


ETA2
If the alternative is bringing in Hanley for north of 20 million per for 5 plus years then "Welcome to Houston, Carlos".

[astrosfan76]

ETA
I could see starting him at AA, and if he hits there a June promotion to AAA then maybe July.  But that would be rushing it.  Is there any precedence for a guy skipping AA and AAA?  (Any successful precedence)


ETA2
If the alternative is bringing in Hanley for north of 20 million per for 5 plus years then "Welcome to Houston, Carlos".

Not AA and AAA, but...

Evan Drellich ‏@EvanDrellich 1h1 hour ago

Jeff Luhnow says Carlos Correa and Mark Appel are both talents that could skip Triple A - could. Not necessarily will, could.

Any scenario involving Hanley I envision would have him holding shortstop until Correa was ready, then moving to 3B.  Would I take Ramirez over Ruiz or Moran at ages 31/32-34?  Without seeing a crystal ball, yes.  We're still at a point where we need to fill multiple holes, rather than make one splash and nothing.  But, the payroll should continue to go up, so long-term, I don't see him as a detriment.  The only questions would be what else can we do with him and what could be done differently.  This is all assuming there is any level of mutual interest.

[NeilT]

I could see starting him at AA, and if he hits there a June promotion to AAA then maybe July.  But that would be rushing it.  Is there any precedence for a guy skipping AA and AAA?  (Any successful precedence)

Eddie Gaedel.  Here's a list of players who skipped the minors entirely.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_baseball_players_who_went_directly_to_Major_League_Baseball

[BizidyDizidy]

The story I always remembered was David Clyde pitching for the Rangers a few weeks after pitching his last high school game (state championship?). Guess it didn't work all that well.

[Dark Star]

Eddie Gaedel.  Here's a list of players who skipped the minors entirely.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_baseball_players_who_went_directly_to_Major_League_Baseball

The bonus babies had to be on the major league roster for a certain amount of time, yes?  That accounts for a lot of them.

Some of the other guys I would guess got farmed out after a look-see. But I don't believe Al Kaline ever did.

[Bench]

The bonus babies had to be on the major league roster for a certain amount of time, yes?  That accounts for a lot of them.

Some of the other guys I would guess got farmed out after a look-see. But I don't believe Al Kaline ever did.

Two years.

[OregonStrosFan]

I could see starting him at AA, and if he hits there a June promotion to AAA then maybe July.  But that would be rushing it.  Is there any precedence for a guy skipping AA and AAA?  (Any successful precedence)

None recently that I'm aware of... However... There is THIS GUY who went from High A to the Majors in the same season with only 35 games at AA (and none at AAA), and he's done okay so far...

[Reuben]

I fee like Furcal, Pujols, and maybe Andruw all jumped straight from A-ball. Jose Fernandez definitely did.

[WakePhil]

The bonus babies had to be on the major league roster for a certain amount of time, yes?  That accounts for a lot of them.

Some of the other guys I would guess got farmed out after a look-see. But I don't believe Al Kaline ever did.

Olerud came straight up and stuck. That's the only one I knew before looking at that list.

[NeilT]

Olerud came straight up and stuck. That's the only one I knew before looking at that list.

It looks like Pujols played 3 games at AAA in 2000, but was never at AA.

[Jacksonian]

I fee like Furcal, Pujols, and maybe Andruw all jumped straight from A-ball. Jose Fernandez definitely did.

Will Clark

[pots]

Any scenario involving Hanley I envision would have him holding shortstop until Correa was ready, then moving to 3B.  Would I take Ramirez over Ruiz or Moran at ages 31/32-34?  Without seeing a crystal ball, yes.  We're still at a point where we need to fill multiple holes, rather than make one splash and nothing.  But, the payroll should continue to go up, so long-term, I don't see him as a detriment.  The only questions would be what else can we do with him and what could be done differently.  This is all assuming there is any level of mutual interest.

Only way I could see Hanley making sense is a front loaded contract with the aspiration of trading him after 1 or 2 years.  Like a 25, 22.5, 20, 17.5, 15

They front loaded Feldman's contract.  If he does well this year he could be a real nice trade chip in July or the 2015-16 offseason.  (His contract: 12, 10,

[astrosfan76]

Only way I could see Hanley making sense is a front loaded contract with the aspiration of trading him after 1 or 2 years.  Like a 25, 22.5, 20, 17.5, 15

They front loaded Feldman's contract.  If he does well this year he could be a real nice trade chip in July or the 2015-16 offseason.  (His contract: 12, 10,

Year 3 looks promising for Feldman. 

Why do you see the best option being that he's traded after 1 or 2 years?  Do you see it as Ruiz/Moran will outperform him or a payroll-flexibility issue? 

[pots]

Year 3 looks promising for Feldman.  

Why do you see the best option being that he's traded after 1 or 2 years?  Do you see it as Ruiz/Moran will outperform him or a payroll-flexibility issue?  

Yes and yes.  You are getting years 31+  While he'll likely be able to maintain a near 800 OPS next year.  In 2 years it will be closer to 700 than 800.  And at that point if someone would take the remaining contract off your hands consider yourself lucky.

[astrosfan76]

Yes and yes.  You are getting years 31+  While he'll likely be able to maintain a near 800 OPS next year.  In 2 years it will be closer to 700 than 800.  And at that point if someone would take the remaining contract off your hands consider yourself lucky.

How do you get your figures?  How do you know he'll drop off in his age-32 season?  Anyway, he's only had one season below .750 and every home game he has played in his MLB career (minus 2 AB as a rookie in Boston) has been in very pitcher-friendly parks.  I don't expect another 1.000 OPS season out of him, but I don't expect a major regression this soon, either.  I'm also looking at him on a 4-year deal, rather than 5, for what it's worth.

[pots]

How do you get your figures?  How do you know he'll drop off in his age-32 season?  Anyway, he's only had one season below .750 and every home game he has played in his MLB career (minus 2 AB as a rookie in Boston) has been in very pitcher-friendly parks.  I don't expect another 1.000 OPS season out of him, but I don't expect a major regression this soon, either.  I'm also looking at him on a 4-year deal, rather than 5, for what it's worth.

He's looking for 6-7 years, likely settle to 5

[Reuben]

If he's not a complete jackass in the clubhouse (I'm not clear on what his rep, work ethic etc. are but assuming it's fairly good) I can't see why you wouldn't want him on the Astros. He can play 3B and probably play it pretty well, and it's highly doubtful Ruiz or Moran will ever be as good as Hanley ought to be over the next 2-3 years or so. Ruiz has been cited as a guy that may have to move to 1B anyway.

Obviously you don't want to see the Astros start handing out foolishly obscene, long contracts to players that don't deserve it but let's face it, they've got plenty of room to add payroll at the moment. If they can bring in 1 or 2 star-caliber players I'm all for it, within reason.

[austro]

I've always had the impression that he's a problem in the clubhouse, but I don't have any hard evidence I can cite. He also seems to be injury-prone. Games played the last four years: 93, 64, 86, 128, and I wouldn't count on that improving a lot as he gets older. I wouldn't want to pay $20M/yr for 100 games.

[Uncle Charlie]

I've always had the impression that he's a problem in the clubhouse, but I don't have any hard evidence I can cite. He also seems to be injury-prone. Games played the last four years: 93, 64, 86, 128, and I wouldn't count on that improving a lot as he gets older. I wouldn't want to pay $20M/yr for 100 games.

I think you glanced at his games played too quickly...the 93 & 64 were the same year, but for two teams.  Last 4 years: 92, 157 (93+64), 86, 128.  The point remains the same, but is a little less dramatic

[austro]

I think you glanced at his games played too quickly...the 93 & 64 were the same year, but for two teams.  Last 4 years: 92, 157 (93+64), 86, 128.  The point remains the same, but is a little less dramatic

You're absolutely right, thanks for the catch.

[juliogotay]

I think you glanced at his games played too quickly...the 93 & 64 were the same year, but for two teams.  Last 4 years: 92, 157 (93+64), 86, 128.  The point remains the same, but is a little less dramatic

That's still an average of 116 games over four years. An average of 107 the last two. I pass.

[Reuben]

That's still an average of 116 games over four years. An average of 107 the last two. I pass.

It depends a bit on what the injuries were though, doesn't it? I feel like one of them was from a HBP... hard to say that makes one "injury-prone" except in rare cases. And if he were DL-free he'd probably cost $25+m/year; the injury history may end up being built in to his price. Besides, I think we ought to know after this summer's drama that the Astros are cautious and careful with their medical assessments, perhaps to a fault, no?

[Nate Colbert]

A Kim and a Kang and now a Yang.

The first two were discussed in the other thread but now there is a report that lefty Hyeon-jong Yang will be posted next week. The same article links the Astros to the pitcher as well as four other clubs (including the FUYankees).

His CV?

• Turns 27 prior to next season
• Winner of this year's Dongwon Choi Award (Cy Young equivalent)
• Per the article, throws 4 pitches and FB sits at 92-95 (though that speed has been questioned)
• KBO statistics are here (remember, particularly in 2014 it's a hitter's league)
• A fairly extensive writeup at Amazin Avenue

[Matt]

A Kim and a Kang and now a Yang.

The first two were discussed in the other thread but now there is a report that lefty Hyeon-jong Yang will be posted next week. The same article links the Astros to the pitcher as well as four other clubs (including the FUYankees).

His CV?

• Turns 27 prior to next season
• Winner of this year's Dongwon Choi Award (Cy Young equivalent)
• Per the article, throws 4 pitches and FB sits at 92-95 (though that speed has been questioned)
• KBO statistics are here (remember, particularly in 2014 it's a hitter's league)
• A fairly extensive writeup at Amazin Avenue

Is this the start of a Korean wave?

[Nate Colbert]

@brianmctaggart  15m

Hear the Astros are going hard to get one of the top closers on the market. Among those on the wish list: Miller, Robertson, Romo.

Some of the numbers being thrown around for the above:

• Romo 3 years @ 6-9MM per
• Robertson 4 years @ 10-12MM per
• Miller 3 years @ 7-9MM per (and maybe even 4 years at that rate)

Miller doesn't have closing experience and Robertson comes with a QO.

[Reuben]

@brianmctaggart  15m

Huh. I certainly expected them to be going after relievers, but not necessarily "top closers", which to me these days means guys making $10-15m per year. Not what I would've guessed Luhnow to be into.

[Nate Colbert]

Huh. I certainly expected them to be going after relievers, but not necessarily "top closers", which to me these days means guys making $10-15m per year. Not what I would've guessed Luhnow to be into.

Agreed. I woulda thought the guys MLBTR identified previously (Soriano and Neshek) would have been the more likely sort of target.

[roadrunner]

I have nothing to back up this opinion, but I feel like signing "top closers" to multi-year deals rarely works out.

[astrosfan76]

I have nothing to back up this opinion, but I feel like signing "top closers" to multi-year deals rarely works out.

Yep, I can think of Mariano and then...  They may be serviceable over the course of their contracts, but expecting them to maintain sub-2.50 ERA (or whatever) and healthy every year doesn't seem to be a winning proposition.

[Reuben]

Yep, I can think of Mariano and then...  They may be serviceable over the course of their contracts, but expecting them to maintain sub-2.50 ERA (or whatever) and healthy every year doesn't seem to be a winning proposition.

Plus, there's the whole "they only pitch 65 innings a year" thing. I'd rather sign a very good starter for 3 yrs/$48M than a "Top Closer" for 4/$48.

[hostros7]

Russell Martin to the Jays for 5/$82mm.  yikes. 

[Bench]

Russell Martin to the Jays for 5/$82mm.  yikes. 

Canadian dollars?

[mrpink]

I've always had the impression that he's a problem in the clubhouse, but I don't have any hard evidence I can cite.

Since no one verified your impression, this is what I remember.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5197935

Although it should be said that this incident happened nearly 5 years ago and people do mature.

[roadrunner]

I wonder what the Cubs would part with for Castro.

[Reuben]

I wonder what the Cubs would part with for Castro.

Maybe Castro.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

The last three years Hanley Ramirez has been paid $46 million and his performance has not been any better than the prior three years. In most jobs that wouldn't get you any more than a cost of living raise. Yeah I know, baseball ain't like a real job.

That's Entertainment!

[GreatBagwellsBeard]

Russell Martin to the Jays for 5/$82mm.  yikes. 

This probably puts Navarro on the trading block, too. 

[MusicMan]

For all those looking for a short term 3b fix, the Braves are probably looking to deal Chris Johnson.

[jbm]

Who the hell did the Astros get for Johnson anyway?

[Nate Colbert]

Who the hell did the Astros get for Johnson anyway?

Went to the D-Backs for Krauss and Borchering (now released).

[Reuben]

For all those looking for a short term 3b fix, the Braves are probably looking to deal Chris Johnson.

...and his ugly contract. And uglier defense. And 50/50 chance of having a good year with the bat.

[Nate Colbert]

Reliever Zach Duke gets $5MM AAV from the WhiteSux.

[NeilT]

Reliever Zach Duke gets $5MM AAV from the WhiteSux.

White Sox management thinks they'll get to drive General Lee.

[Nate Colbert]

Drellich tweet sez stros kicking the tires on LHSP Brett Anderson noting Houston ties* and "high upside".

*Lives in H-town and dad is Frank Anderson, former UT pitching coach and OSU head coach and currently Coogs pitching coach.

The downside would be this:

Anderson became a free agent after the Rockies declined his $12 million option in early November. The oft-injured left-hander was 1-3 with a 2.91 ERA in eight starts for Colorado in 2014. He hasn't made more than 19 starts since his rookie season in 2009.

[Bench]

Drellich tweet sez stros kicking the tires on LHSP Brett Anderson noting Houston ties* and "high upside".

*Lives in H-town and dad is Frank Anderson, former UT pitching coach and OSU head coach and currently Coogs pitching coach.

But where is his ranch located?

[subnuclear]

Does anyone ever say "I'll never go back that armpit! The farther away from my psycho dad, the better!"? 

[astrosfan76]

Anderson would be an excellent pick-up if he weren't the Operation guy: TJ, back, foot, oblique (all he needs is butterflies in the stomach). He'd probably be looking at Lester-money, if he gave you 200 innings/season, though. I think he's a great pitcher, I just wonder what it would take to get him and what we would get out of him.

[NeilT]

Does anyone ever say "I'll never go back that armpit! The farther away from my psycho dad, the better!"?  

And "I hate that damned ranch.  There's nothing worse than shoveling manure."

[Nate Colbert]

A DH whose OPS declined from .882 to .787 to .702 over the past three years gets a $30MM/3-year deal from the A's.

[HudsonHawk]

But where is his ranch located?

I'm sure it's just a "place". 

[Navin R Johnson]

Anderson is a good twitter follow for those into that.  Also, his dad has absolutely resurrected the Coogs pitching staff.  The job Frank has done on Cullen Avenue is simply amazing.   
2012 UH had the worst record in school history, a 5.35 team ERA 219BB/319K's in 419IP.  2 years later, should 40+ wins, shouldve hosted a regional, 2.35 ERA, 119/426 in 589 IP.

I thought for sure he'd get hired away after last season.

[GreatBagwellsBeard]

If they can get Anderson on something tiny like a $4MM/1 yr. deal, that makes sense.  No more crazy than the Crain/Albers signing.

[Dark Star]

Canadian dollars?

Loonies and toonies.

[toddthebod]

Instead of signing Hanley, I wonder what it would cost to trade for Starlin Castro.  We give them Jason Castro and what else? 

Put S Castro at short until Correa  is ready.

As for third, with a good hitter at short, the Astros could more easily carry a player like Dominguez and we cod give him another shot before giving up.  And if Dominguez doesn't work, then you have Moran and Ruiz in the pipeline.  If one of those guys hits, you can trade Starlin Castro in a couple of years.

[Reuben]

Starlin? I can't stand that whiny little bitch. I'd rather go with Marwin.

[VirtualBob]

Starlin? I can't stand that whiny little bitch. I'd rather go with Marwin.

Ditto

[juliogotay]

Instead of signing Hanley, I wonder what it would cost to trade for Starlin Castro.  We give them Jason Castro and what else? 

Put S Castro at short until Correa  is ready.

As for third, with a good hitter at short, the Astros could more easily carry a player like Dominguez and we cod give him another shot before giving up.  And if Dominguez doesn't work, then you have Moran and Ruiz in the pipeline.  If one of those guys hits, you can trade Starlin Castro in a couple of years.

I don't think it's a bad thought but the Cubs will want a ransom for him. I'm sure a power arm like Folty or Hader would need to be included. I'm not sure I'm for that for a player that could just be part of the mix for a year or two unless he moves to third.

[NeilT]

I don't think it's a bad thought but the Cubs will want a ransom for him. I'm sure a power arm like Folty or Hader would need to be included. I'm not sure I'm for that for a player that could just be part of the mix for a year or two unless he moves to third.

I didn't think he had a very good year last year, but there's a fearful symmetry to the deal.

[mrpink]

I don't think it's a bad thought but the Cubs will want a ransom for him. I'm sure a power arm like Folty or Hader would need to be included. I'm not sure I'm for that for a player that could just be part of the mix for a year or two unless he moves to third.

They would have to throw in JD for me to be happy about it.

[pots]

The cubs also have this guy, Luis Valbuena , in Mr. Bryant's position.  

[Reuben]

I didn't think he had a very good year last year, but there's a fearful symmetry to the deal.

Wait until you see the rumor about Castro being traded to Detroit for Ortsac Nosaj.

[Nate Colbert]

Wait until you see the rumor about Castro being traded to Detroit for Ortsac Nosaj.

Seeing Ortsac Nosaj's name reminds me of another catcher by the name of Sicnarf Loopstok who plays in the Indians system. And he you might actually find on B-Ref.

[Nate Colbert]

AJ Cassavell of SOE runs down the supposed Hanley suitors.

[Reuben]

AJ Cassavell of SOE runs down the supposed Hanley suitors.

"why spend that kind of money now? Surely there will be equally viable free-agent bats in three years, when the Astros are ready to throw their chips in."

I should've quit reading there.

[NeilT]

"why spend that kind of money now? Surely there will be equally viable free-agent bats in three years, when the Astros are ready to throw their chips in."

I should've quit reading there.

I would love to see Hanley Ramirez on the Mariners.  I'd have reason for even more made-up hate.

[Nate Colbert]

Tweet from Bob Nightengale says WhiteSux signed Adam LaRoche to 2 yr/$25MM deal.

[Nate Colbert]

A Kim and a Kang and now a Yang.

The first two were discussed in the other thread but now there is a report that lefty Hyeon-jong Yang will be posted next week. The same article links the Astros to the pitcher as well as four other clubs (including the FUYankees).

Mike Beradino of the St. Paul Pioneer Press reports that the Twinkies won the bidding for Yang (haven't seen the amount) and are closing in on a deal with him.

[Kit]

It's way too early to give up on Dominguez.....way way too early

[Nate Colbert]

BlowSox possibly moving toward an agreement with Hanley Ramirez.

[astrosfan76]

BlowSox possibly moving toward an agreement with Hanley Ramirez.

Heyman is now reporting that they also have a deal to secure the rights of Kung Fu Panda, as well. 

[Ron Brand]

...and the Astros may be getting serious about David Robertson.

On Sunday, Ken Davidoff of the New York Post reported the Astros have reached out to David Robertson's representatives to express interest. Robertson is said to be seeking a four-year contract at "Papelbon money."

[pots]

BlowSox possibly moving toward an agreement with Hanley Ramirez.

4 year 88 million dollar contract with a vesting 5th year worth 22 million.
So either 4/88 million or 5/110 if the 5th year vests. 

[roadrunner]

4 year 88 million dollar contract with a vesting 5th year worth 22 million.
So either 4/88 million or 5/110 if the 5th year vests. 

No thanks

[Nate Colbert]

Mike Beradino of the St. Paul Pioneer Press reports that the Twinkies won the bidding for Yang (haven't seen the amount) and are closing in on a deal with him.

Uh, no they're not. Winning bid rejected by Kia Tigers.

[BlownRanger]

I didn't think he had a very good year last year, but there's a fearful symmetry to the deal.

For the record, the most symmetrical trade of all time occured in 1970 when the Red Sox and Angels pulled off a deal that included Ray Jarvis, Ken Tatum, and Jarvis Tatum.

[Reuben]

For the record, the most symmetrical trade of all time occured in 1970 when the Red Sox and Angels pulled off a deal that included Ray Jarvis, Ken Tatum, and Jarvis Tatum.

Wow, too bad this guy wasn't around yet, then it really would have been perfect.

[Nate Colbert]

Robertson supposedly has a 3-yr/$39MM offer on table but bidding is still expected to reach 4 years.

[Nate Colbert]

Various tweeters saying HeySailors (NTTAWWT) have signed Nelson Cruz for 4 yrs/$57MM.

[Reuben]

Various tweeters saying HeySailors (NTTAWWT) have signed Nelson Cruz for 4 yrs/$57MM.

It pays to come back from a 'roid suspension and have the best season of your career. Wonder how many homers he'll hit in Safeco.

[astrosfan76]

The Astros’ pursuit of Robertson has created a lot of buzz in the last 24 hours, with reports from CBS Sports and the New York Post tying the team to the reliever. Some reports had the Astros offering a three-year, $39 million deal for Robertson. A source confirmed to the Chronicle that the Astros have had consistent contact with Robertson.

But the Astros too are among the many teams to express interest in Andrew Miller, the Chronicle was told by a person familiar with the situation.

It makes sense that they would reach out to Miller, also, if they're making offers to Robertson.  I'm not a fan of spending that much on a reliever right now, but I can see where long-term, with the budget continually increasing and core of low-cost players, it won't be a major impediment.  I would just rather they commit more toward position players and starters right now.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2014/12/01/astros-looking-at-andrew-miller-as-potential-closer/

[Dark Star]

It pays to come back from a 'roid suspension and have the best season of your career. Wonder how many homers he'll hit in Safeco.

My prediction - 15 HRs, 82 RBIs.

[Reuben]

My prediction - 15 HRs, 82 RBIs.

Huh. This led me to take a glance at the 2014 M's Batting stats. Robinson Cano had 14 HR and 82 RBI - although the lack of RBI probably speaks to the weakness of their 1-2 hitters, as his numbers were fantastic otherwise. Funny though.

[Nate Colbert]

@BNightengale  2 minutes ago
The Minnesota #Twins win the Torii Hunter sweepstakes. He returns home on a 1-year contract in perhaps the final chapter of fabulous career.

[Nate Colbert]

Andrew Miller moves toward deal; Yanks in talks, with Astros looming as threat.

[Reuben]

Andrew Miller moves toward deal; Yanks in talks, with Astros looming as threat.

When was the last time someone described the Astros as a looming threat?

[MRaup]

When was the last time someone described the Astros as a looming threat?

Probably the last time Carlos Lee was standing behind someone in line at a buffet.

[geezerdonk]

Point of Order: I don't believe that Carlos ever stood behind anybody in the buffet line.

[VirtualBob]

Point of Order: I don't believe that Carlos ever stood behind anybody in the buffet line.

What does Adam Everett have to say about that?

[Jacksonian]

What does Adam Everett have to say about that?

"OUCH!"

[MusicMan]

Andrew Miller moves toward deal; Yanks in talks, with Astros looming as threat.

Drellich says he's told the Astros are out on Miller

[geezerdonk]

Carlos was on his way to the clubhouse for a mid-inning snack and Everett failed to get out of the way.

[Nate Colbert]

Miller to the Yanks at 4 yrs/$36MM.

[austro]

Miller to the Yanks at 4 yrs/$36MM.

Well, that's lower than I expected.

[Nate Colbert]

Well, that's lower than I expected.

Still, it's the largest contract ever handed out to a reliever who was not a closer.

[Mike S.]

Same here.  Wonder what that makes the going price for Robertson?

[Fredia]

what happened to all the money the Astros were supposed to spend?

[Nate Colbert]

Olney says the Astros were the high bidders on Miller.

Drellich also reports via his source that the Astros made a 4 yr/$40MM offer.

McTaggart also confirms the above offer.

[subnuclear]

Olney loves saying bad things about the Astros FO.

[BizidyDizidy]

chuck, any idea why the Astros didn't close the deal if they were the high bidders

[austro]

chuck, any idea why the Astros didn't close the deal if they were the high bidders

Well, let's see: Astros or Yankees? Yankees or Astros? Gee, I just don't know.

[Ron Brand]

chuck, any idea why the Astros didn't close the deal if they were the high bidders

3 years at 12 vs 4 years at 10.

[Nate Colbert]

3 years at 12 4 years at 9 vs 4 years at 10.

[Ron Brand]

3 years at 12 4 years at 9 vs 4 years at 10.

Interesting. That's not what I saw. Damn bloggers.

[Ron Brand]

And Robertson wants 4 years, $50MM.

[chuck]

chuck, any idea why the Astros didn't close the deal if they were the high bidders

OutSTANding question.

[hostros7]

chuck, any idea why the Astros didn't close the deal if they were the high bidders

The pinstripes add 10 pounds?

[chuck]

The pinstripes add 10 pounds?

Possibly. I don't have time for those distractions, however. I'm focused on what the Astros might have to do to jockey themselves into position in next year's draft to be able to nab a talent like Brady Aiken.

[astrosfan76]

Rosenthal with an interesting proposition:

The Astros made a four-year, $40 million bid for Miller, sources say. They could redirect that offer toward free-agent closer David Robertson -- or perhaps sign Romo and Gregerson for what they would have paid Miller. New Astros manager A.J. Hinch was part of the Padres' front office when Gregerson pitched in San Diego.

I do like the idea of signing both guys, the only downside (which was reinforced with the Miller situation) is convincing both to sign with us.

[urlwww.foxsports.com/mlb/story/andrew-miller-sergio-romo-luke-gregerson-hot-stove-market-for-other-setup-men-heating-up-120614][/url]

[juliogotay]

Rosenthal with an interesting proposition:

I do like the idea of signing both guys, the only downside (which was reinforced with the Miller situation) is convincing both to sign with us.

[urlwww.foxsports.com/mlb/story/andrew-miller-sergio-romo-luke-gregerson-hot-stove-market-for-other-setup-men-heating-up-120614][/url]

They need to identify ranching relief pitchers. Bound to be some.

[astrosfan76]

They need to identify ranching relief pitchers. Bound to be some.

I'm sure there's some kind of metric for that. On a semi-related front:

@Buster_ESPN: The Astros continue to pursue closer David Robertson. Could be his most lucrative offer comes from Houston.

Nothing new, nothing definitive, and nothing indicating interest on Robertson's part. But, it does sound like he's their top target right now.

[Fredia]

but they have missed the bullseye several times this year hope they find the target

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

but they have missed the bullseye several times this year hope they find the target

They were trying to be shitty, and their aim was true.

[Nate Colbert]

ScRubs "close to" a deal with Jason Hammel (who the Astros allegedly had an interest in).

[pots]

Well, let's see: Astros or Yankees? Yankees or Astros? Gee, I just don't know.

Threw away 2 million per year if you count sales tax/cost of living.  Insane.  Have the Astros fallen that far as a ball club that a journeyman like Miller wants nothing to do with you? 

[roadrunner]

Threw away 2 million per year if you count sales tax/cost of living.  Insane.  Have the Astros fallen that far as a ball club that a journeyman like Miller wants nothing to do with you? 

He also lives in Tampa, and the Yankees ST is in Tampa.  Sounds sort of silly, I know, but that was a big deal to him.  He said there were things the Yankees offered that the Astros simply couldn't.

But really the Astros are going to have to pay the "shitty organization" tax for the foreseeable future to get anyone worth a damn.  Even Feldman was an over-market deal. 

[Mr. Happy]

But really the Astros are going to have to pay the "shitty organization" tax for the foreseeable future to get anyone worth a damn.  Even Feldman was an over-market deal. 

I agree, although the Astros need to go with their strengths (no state income tax and young, upcoming team, etc.).

[subnuclear]

He also lives in Tampa, and the Yankees ST is in Tampa.  Sounds sort of silly, I know, but that was a big deal to him.  He said there were things the Yankees offered that the Astros simply couldn't.

But really the Astros are going to have to pay the "shitty organization" tax for the foreseeable future to get anyone worth a damn.  Even Feldman was an over-market deal. 

Let's see what the Cubs pay Hammell and come back to this. Feldman pitched pretty well this year, so I think the Astros got their money's worth.

[Bench]

McTaggart McTweets:  Multiple sources say the Astros have been pursuing SS Jed Lowrie.

I hope they make him bunt every fucking time he goes to bat.

[astrosfan76]

McTaggart McTweets:  Multiple sources say the Astros have been pursuing SS Jed Lowrie.

May be the first time a sales pitch starts with "You know we fired our manager."

[subnuclear]

Let's see what the Cubs pay Hammell and come back to this. Feldman pitched pretty well this year, so I think the Astros got their money's worth.

Hammel gets 2 yrs at $18M with a third year option, $2m buyout. If the Cubs pay the buyout they get Hammel for 2 years at the same rate as Feldman ($10 M/yr though its front-loaded).

[Jacksonian]

Did anyone know that Krauss was put on waivers?  He was and was claimed by the Angels.

[Nate Colbert]

‏@nickcafardo  5m
Turns out Astros offered four years and an option to Andrew Miller and he still went to Yankees.

[NeilT]

Ouch.

[Fredia]

I thought the idea was to add players

[Reuben]

You can only have 9 on the field at a time.

[Reuben]

Ouch.

I'm assuming club option, not player. Not really much added value from the player's perspective unless there's a high buy-out attached.

[Nate Colbert]

Various tweeters saying Robertson got 4 yrs/$46MM from White Sox.

[Navin R Johnson]

So the Astros front office's WAR in signing free agents is...  What is a bad WAR # anyway?

[Nate Colbert]

What is a bad WAR # anyway?

Those with a minus sign in front.

[astrosfan76]

At least Veras wants to sign with us? Oh, and he hated being with the Cubs.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2014/12/08/luhnow-says-astros-absolutely-open-to-bringing-back-jose-veras/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[Nate Colbert]

Liriano, whom Drellich head-scratchingly speculated earlier might be someone the Astros would go after, off the table after re-signing with the Pirates for 3 yrs/$39MM.

[Nate Colbert]

Lester has 155,000,000 reasons to sign with sCrubs.

[Nate Colbert]

Neshek "seriously" talking (as opposed to merely bullshitting) with three clubs, one of which is the Astros (says Crasnick).

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Lester has 155,000,000 reasons to sign with sCrubs.

Wow! FTC!

[NeilT]

Wow! FTC!

And Chicago has great public schools.

[Reuben]

Drellich tweeters that Astros met with Bora$ yesterday re: Stephen Drew and RPs.

[GreatBagwellsBeard]

Drellich tweeters that Astros met with Bora$ yesterday re: Stephen Drew and RPs.

Drew strikes me as low-risk, high-reward, but I doubt that the way Boras is selling him.  I'd rather have Lowrie, I think.

[geezerdonk]

Drew got paid $10 million to hit .162 last year. He'd fit right in with Dominguez and Castro.

[Nate Colbert]

Bill Madden of the New York Daily News already this offseason has made the questionable claim that the Astros offered 5yr/$65MM to Chase Headley. Now he throws more shit on the wall by saying they're "best bets" (along with the Rangers and Nats) to sign Scherzer. Also says the Astros have interest in OF Michael Morse.

(Via Astros County)

[juliogotay]

Bill Madden of the New York Daily News already this offseason has made the questionable claim that the Astros offered 5yr/$65MM to Chase Headley. Now he throws more shit on the wall by saying they're "best bets" (along with the Rangers and Nats) to sign Scherzer. Also says the Astros have interest in OF Michael Morse.

(Via Astros County)

So the Nats that were reported to be considering moving some of their vets in their contract year would sign the biggest remaining FA target? Doesn't add up. Nothing here in Dallas that I've seen links the Rangers to Scherzer.

[pots]

Bill Madden of the New York Daily News already this offseason has made the questionable claim that the Astros offered 5yr/$65MM to Chase Headley. Now he throws more shit on the wall by saying they're "best bets" (along with the Rangers and Nats) to sign Scherzer. Also says the Astros have interest in OF Michael Morse.

(Via Astros County)

well why we are acting insane, let's land Scherzer, Headley and Lowrie.  

Rotation of Scherzer, Keuchel, McHugh, Feldman and Oberholtzer would rank top 5 in the league.
Pen of Qualls, Gregerson, Neshek, Fields, Sipp, Folty and Chapman is very solid
Very solid line-up of:
Altuve
Fowler
Headley
Carter
Springer
Lowrie
Castro
Singleton
Marisnick/Grossman platoon

That team looks like one that would have meaningful games in September.  Just need to turn the remaining 7 million in supposed payroll space into 50 and you are all set.

[Nate Colbert]

@Ken_Rosenthal  1 minute ago
Sources: #Yankees close to signing free-agent 3B Chase Headley to four-year deal.

[juliogotay]

well why we are acting insane, let's land Scherzer, Headley and Lowrie.  

Rotation of Scherzer, Keuchel, McHugh, Feldman and Oberholtzer would rank top 5 in the league.
Pen of Qualls, Gregerson, Neshek, Fields, Sipp, Folty and Chapman is very solid
Very solid line-up of:
Altuve
Fowler
Headley
Carter
Springer
Lowrie
Castro
Singleton
Marisnick/Grossman platoon

That team looks like one that would have meaningful games in September.  Just need to turn the remaining 7 million in supposed payroll space into 50 and you are all set.

Chapman?

[pots]

Chapman?

Situational lefty.  Though you could easily go with Downs as well.

Insanity is ending quickly.  Headley signs with yanks for 52 million 4 year deal.  Equivalent money per year that the supposed Astros offer was for.  Wonder if their is an option/vesting year on it.

[geezerdonk]

Castro?

[pots]

Castro?

??

[juliogotay]

Chapman?

Of course. I forgot about that Chapman and there was some talk about the Astros being interested in the Reds' Chapman so I wondered if that was were you were going.

[Nate Colbert]

‏@FeinsandNYDN  18m
Headley: "The New York offer wasn't the biggest offer ... but we left money on the table to be where we wanted to be."

[pots]

‏@FeinsandNYDN  18m
Headley: "The New York offer wasn't the biggest offer ... but we left money on the table to be where we wanted to be."

The Astros supposedly offered 5 year 65 which is 13 per.  The Yankees have gauranteed 13 per plus 1 million each year he breaks 550 PAs.  So more money over longer time

[toddthebod]

Thank god.  I was truly unexcited about Headley. 

[Nate Colbert]

Drellich tweet sez stros kicking the tires on LHSP Brett Anderson noting Houston ties* and "high upside".

*Lives in H-town and dad is Frank Anderson, former UT pitching coach and OSU head coach and currently Coogs pitching coach.

Signs with the FatTommies for $10MM.

Woo wee, that's a lot of money for a starting pitcher who might be lucky to reach 100 innings (or even 50 innings).

[GreatBagwellsBeard]

Signs with the FatTommies for $10MM.

Woo wee, that's a lot of money for a starting pitcher who might be lucky to reach 100 innings (or even 50 innings).

He gets a full $4MM if he makes 200 innings.

[Uncle Charlie]

I was surprised to not see the Astros entertain a major FA aquisition of an SP this year, but looking at it now it may make more sense next offseason.  Several of the up and comers should be more known quantities.  They should be prepared to press for mid 80+ wins in 2016.  No so coincidentally, the SP free agent market next year is flush: Samalphebet, Fister, Grienke, Latos, Price to name a few.  That seems to be a good time to add an ace arm and potentially lose a DP.

[Nate Colbert]

From Drellich:

Free agent righty Ryan Vogelsong is one Astros target, a person familiar with the situation said. FOX Sports has previously reported that Vogelsong was of interest to the Astros, as well as righty Kyle Kendrick.

[mrpink]

I understand taking a chance on Vogelsong, but Kendrick?  There are better internal options for 5th starter.

[astrosfan76]

Nationals and "1 other team" believed to be in heavy discussions for Scherzer on a 7-year deal, per Rosenthal/Morosi tweets. The Nationals have supposedly been shopping Zimmerman for a few weeks in the event that they do sign Scherzer.

[Nate Colbert]

Nationals and "1 other team" believed to be in heavy discussions for Scherzer on a 7-year deal, per Rosenthal/Morosi tweets. The Nationals have supposedly been shopping Zimmerman for a few weeks in the event that do sign Scherzer.

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal  3 minutes ago
Growing confidence among #Nationals officials that they will land Scherzer. Officials from  #Yankees, #RedSox, #Astros all deny involvement.

[subnuclear]

Scherzer to the Nats would be coal to Newcastle.

[subnuclear]

Olney just tweeted about a possible deal of Fowler to the Puppies of Chicago.

Edit: Original source was Bruce Levine.

[BizidyDizidy]

Dan Straily reportedly involved

[astrosfan76]

@Ken_Rosenthal: Source: #Astros’ return for Fowler from #Cubs includes major-league players.

[subnuclear]

Passan said Luis Valbuena also involved.

[astrosfan76]

Passan said Luis Valbuena also involved.

Looks like they've found their 3B, though one defensive metrics don't like. So, two years of Valbuena and five years of Straily for one of Fowler.

[subnuclear]

Looks like they've found their 3B, though one defensive metrics don't like. So, two years of Valbuena and five years of Straily for one of Fowler.

Defensive metrics hate Dominguez, too.

[jaklewein]

Sweet.

Fowler wasn't gonna be around past this year anyhow.  Might as well get something for him and give Marisnick and Santana a shot to see what kind of players they can be at the MLB level.

[ValpoCory]

What's the best guess at the Opening Day lineup now?

[MusicMan]

What's the best guess at the Opening Day lineup now?

2b Altuve
SS Lowrie
RF Springer
DH Carter
LF Gattis
1b Singleton
3b Valbuena
CF Marisnick
C Conger

[ValpoCory]

Adding in the 2014 WAR numbers, per baseball-reference.

2b Altuve -- 6.0
SS Lowrie -- 0.8
RF Springer -- 2.0
DH Carter -- 1.9
LF Gattis -- 2.2
1b Singleton -- -0.8
3b Valbuena -- 1.6
CF Marisnick -- 1.4
C Conger -- 0.7

TOTAL WAR -- +15.8

[subnuclear]

Castro was at 1.7 WAR last year. Are you assuming he gets traded?

[MusicMan]

Castro was at 1.7 WAR last year. Are you assuming he gets traded?

I think the chances of him being traded or benched exceed the chance of him starting.

[geezerdonk]

Could the Astros get anything for a Castro and Dominguez trade package?

[pots]

Could the Astros get anything for a Castro and Dominguez trade package?

Dominguez has no trade value. 

[Nate Colbert]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal  3 minutes ago
Growing confidence among #Nationals officials that they will land Scherzer. Officials from  #Yankees, #RedSox, #Astros all deny involvement.

For those who might have missed it, the finalized Scherzer deal with the Nats went for 7 years and $210MM. The large amount of deferred money in the deal knocks it down from a nominal $30MM AAV to something closer to $26MM per.

[jaklewein]

For those who might have missed it, the finalized Scherzer deal with the Nats went for 7 years and $210MM. The large amount of deferred money in the deal knocks it down from a nominal $30MM AAV to something closer to $26MM per.

Easy to understand why PHI is rumored to be asking a king's ransom for Hamels.

[Nate Colbert]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal  5m ago
Sources: #Astros in serious discussions with free-agent RHP Ryan Vogelsong.

[Nate Colbert]

‏@brianmctaggart  12 minutes ago
Free agent pitcher Ryan Vogelsong is in Houston, but tells http://MLB.com he's not ready to comment on Astros situation.

[jaklewein]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal  5m ago
Sources: #Astros in serious discussions with free-agent RHP Ryan Vogelsong.

Watching some video on Straily...looks like he's got one heck of a breaking ball.  If Luhnow could lock up Vogelsong then Straily might fit in nicely as another 7th-8th inning option in the bullpen.  Fingers crossed regarding Vogelsong.  I haven't been this excited about an upcoming season in years.

[Mr. Happy]

Watching some video on Straily...looks like he's got one heck of a breaking ball.  If Luhnow could lock up Vogelsong then Straily might fit in nicely as another 7th-8th inning option in the bullpen.  Fingers crossed regarding Vogelsong.  I haven't been this excited about an upcoming season in years.

When he was in Oakland, I liked his arm as a starter.

[Reuben]

Watching some video on Straily...looks like he's got one heck of a breaking ball.  If Luhnow could lock up Vogelsong then Straily might fit in nicely as another 7th-8th inning option in the bullpen.  Fingers crossed regarding Vogelsong.  I haven't been this excited about an upcoming season in years.

I sure hope they got more than a so-so platoon 3Bman and a setup man for Fowler. I'm hoping they've identified something McHugh-esque about Straily; otherwise, I don't get it. Fowler is a very good player.

[pots]

I sure hope they got more than a so-so platoon 3Bman and a setup man for Fowler. I'm hoping they've identified something McHugh-esque about Straily; otherwise, I don't get it. Fowler is a very good player.

If you can endure the fanatacrap this article might get you somewhat excited about Luis Valbuena.  Apparently he learned how to hit a fastball.  Though sample size is an issue.

[jaklewein]

I sure hope they got more than a so-so platoon 3Bman and a setup man for Fowler. I'm hoping they've identified something McHugh-esque about Straily; otherwise, I don't get it. Fowler is a very good player.

You're absolutely right.  You thinking he goes to AAA to continue to start if he doesn't win a spot in the rotation coming out of ST?

[pots]

Offensively the trade looks good.  If you are using 2014 statistics and are assuming you are replacing Fowler and Dominguez with a strict platoons of Grossman/Marisnick and Valbuena/Dominguez then you have replaced slash lines of:

276/375/399 (Fowler)
215/256/330 (Dominguez)
246/316/365 (Averaging them both)

with:

252/355/355 (Grossman/Marisnick)
252/332/444 (Valbuena/Dominguez)
252/344/399 (Average)

[astrosfan76]

Also in Houston:

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal  · 9m9 minutes ago 
Source: #Astros talking to Rasmus. Reports earlier today said he was in Houston

[pots]

Also in Houston:

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal  · 9m9 minutes ago  
Source: #Astros talking to Rasmus. Reports earlier today said he was in Houston

And not just chatting.

Colby Rasmus is in Houston for physical. Says no deal yet: "Jeff (Luhnow) being the scouting director that drafted me, it's pretty enticing"


Luhnow and the 40 man roster

[jbm]

I've been somewhat surprised by most of these off-season moves, but signing Rasmus would be a real head-scratcher. 

[pots]

I've been somewhat surprised by most of these off-season moves, but signing Rasmus would be a real head-scratcher. 

Certainly makes the million to Presley seem like a waste.

[Jacksonian]

Certainly makes the million to Presley seem like a waste.

Not if he's traded.

[pots]

Not if he's traded.

What's the 40 man correction deadline if you sign someone.  Vogelsong and Rasmus would make 42. 

[geezerdonk]

I guess that Rasmus could give them the flexibility to trade Gattis, Carter or Marisnick if the right deal comes along or give Gattis the catching job full time. If he ends up as the fourth outfielder, he is a big upgrade over Grossman and Presley.

[Duman]

What about a Marisnick/Rasmus Platoon? 

Rasmus career vs. RHP .257/.323/.465
Marisnick career vs LHP .272/.310/.309 (small sample size warning only 88 PA)

[Jacksonian]

Rasmus signed. Corporan DFA.

[Bench]

Rasmus signed. Corporan DFA.

1 year, $8 million according to Tags.

[jwhudson]

That seems a bit more than necessary

[Nate Colbert]

1 year, $8 million according to Tags.

Hit .225, get a $1MM raise.

[pots]

Hit .225, get a $1MM raise.

Yeah that will happen when half your hits go for extra bases

[Navin R Johnson]

So how long until Rasmus' Dad joins OrangeWhoopAss?

http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2011-03-31/news/shit-colby-rasmus-dad-says/

"...Tony Rasmus periodically vents opinions (and gossip) about the Cardinals on blogs and chat boards — most recently this past December, when, under his frequent online alias RCWarrior, he shared some thoughts about Colby's off-season program. Some people cheer him as a blunt truth teller with a refreshingly unsentimental view of the baseball industry. Others think he's an attention-starved shit disturber who's trying to stage-manage his son's career and doing at least as much harm as good."

[Bench]

"...Tony Rasmus periodically vents opinions (and gossip) about the Cardinals on blogs and chat boards — most recently this past December, when, under his frequent online alias RCWarrior, he shared some thoughts about Colby's off-season program. Some people cheer him as a blunt truth teller with a refreshingly unsentimental view of the baseball industry. Others think he's an attention-starved shit disturber who's trying to stage-manage his son's career and doing at least as much harm as good."

Either way he'd fit right in here.

[chuck]

Under LaRussa rookies couldn't take the team bus to the park from the hotel? WTF is that about?

I can't figure out if Rasmus is a dickhead malcontent or if it's just that any normal person would shade that way if they played for someone like LaRussa.

[Reuben]

What about a Marisnick/Rasmus Platoon?  

Rasmus career vs. RHP .257/.323/.465
Marisnick career vs LHP .272/.310/.309 (small sample size warning only 88 PA)

...and Colby's career line vs. LHP in 801 PAs is .213/.287/.361, so some sort of platoon would certainly seem to be in order. But it's hard to imagine they'd restrict Marisnick's ABs so much when he clearly needs time to see if he can adjust to MLB pitching. So maybe Carter gets dealt, and Gattis becomes the full-time DH, more or less? Or Singleton starts the year back in AAA to learn how to make contact with a baseball again, and Gattis plays 1B? That kinda makes the most sense to me, although I don't know who you platoon Rasmus with if Marisnick is playing full-time. Grossman's hit RHP slightly better in his MLB career, but maybe that was reversed in the minors - I know there's a site that has minor-league splits but I can't seem to find it.

[astrosfan76]

So how long until Rasmus' Dad joins OrangeWhoopAss?

http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2011-03-31/news/shit-colby-rasmus-dad-says/

"...Tony Rasmus periodically vents opinions (and gossip) about the Cardinals on blogs and chat boards — most recently this past December, when, under his frequent online alias RCWarrior, he shared some thoughts about Colby's off-season program. Some people cheer him as a blunt truth teller with a refreshingly unsentimental view of the baseball industry. Others think he's an attention-starved shit disturber who's trying to stage-manage his son's career and doing at least as much harm as good."

He was, or is, a (fairly successful) HS coach. I remember reading something about him being a factor early in Colby's career, either he was still trying to be his coach, or something along those lines. Don't know how much of an issue that is these days.

[astrosfan76]

...and Colby's career line vs. LHP in 801 PAs is .213/.287/.361, so some sort of platoon would certainly seem to be in order. But it's hard to imagine they'd restrict Marisnick's ABs so much when he clearly needs time to see if he can adjust to MLB pitching. So maybe Carter gets dealt, and Gattis becomes the full-time DH, more or less? Or Singleton starts the year back in AAA to learn how to make contact with a baseball again, and Gattis plays 1B? That kinda makes the most sense to me, although I don't know who you platoon Rasmus with if Marisnick is playing full-time. Grossman's hit RHP slightly better in his MLB career, but maybe that was reversed in the minors - I know there's a site that has minor-league splits but I can't seem to find it.

I find it hard to think that they'd pay $8M for a platoon player, though. His signing may force another platoon, but Luhnow has said that he would be in the lineup. Do his stats suggest that the lineup would be more balanced with a platoon? I wouldn't argue that. But, I don't know that it will happen, at least not initially.

[austro]

He was, or is, a (fairly successful) HS coach. I remember reading something about him being a factor early in Colby's career, either he was still trying to be his coach, or something along those lines. Don't know how much of an issue that is these days.

I seem to remember that the dad was giving him different hitting instruction than the Cards' hitting coach.

[Jacksonian]

Either way he'd fit right in here.

We once had a player's dad here completely douche it up.  It did not go well.

[Reuben]

We once had a player's dad here completely douche it up.  It did not go well.

Which player was that? I remember there was a brief period where someone who may or may not have been Pence's mom was posting here. I think she was embarrassed by JimR's constant gushing over her son's flawless fundamentals.

[Jacksonian]

Which player was that? I remember there was a brief period where someone who may or may not have been Pence's mom was posting here. I think she was embarrassed by JimR's constant gushing over her son's flawless fundamentals.

Rodeo Clown

[Dark Star]

I don't care if he did me any good or not - I'd tell my dad to shut the fuck up and talk to me about this stuff privately.

[Bench]

I can't figure out if Rasmus is a dickhead malcontent or if it's just that any normal person would shade that way if they played for someone like LaRussa.

I always assumed that if he didn't get along with LaRussa he was probably alright.

[HudsonHawk]

Which player was that? I remember there was a brief period where someone who may or may not have been Pence's mom was posting here. I think she was embarrassed by JimR's constant gushing over her son's flawless fundamentals.

That was indeed Hunter's mom.  Once we realized that he wasn't on drugs, he was just goofy as hell all the time, she was actually fun to have around.

[David in Jackson]

I haven't studied this, so this is not a smart alec question: Who is better Fowler or Rasmus?  Aren't they both on one year deals for about the same money ($9 m.)?  Help me out here.

[Dark Star]

Rodeo Clown

I get Towles and Towlie mixed up, sometimes.

[roadrunner]

I haven't studied this, so this is not a smart alec question: Who is better Fowler or Rasmus?  Aren't they both on one year deals for about the same money ($9 m.)?  Help me out here.

Depends on what kind of player you want.  But essentially the same money the Astros were paying Fowler became Rasmus, Vilbuena, and Straily.

[HudsonHawk]

I haven't studied this, so this is not a smart alec question: Who is better Fowler or Rasmus?  Aren't they both on one year deals for about the same money ($9 m.)?  Help me out here.

Fowler to Rasmus straight up is a downgrade, IMO.  However, with the addition of Gattis, and the emergence of Springer, I assume it wasn't simply Fowler v. Rasmus.

[MusicMan]

I haven't studied this, so this is not a smart alec question: Who is better Fowler or Rasmus?  Aren't they both on one year deals for about the same money ($9 m.)?  Help me out here.

Rasmus has more pop, Fowler is better OBP, but that is the wrong way of looking at it.

Are the Astros better off with Fowler, or with Rasmus, Valbuena, and Straily?  That's an easy call, and a good bit of maneuvering by Luhnow, IMO.

[Mr. Happy]

Rasmus has more pop, Fowler is better OBP, but that is the wrong way of looking at it.

Are the Astros better off with Fowler, or with Rasmus, Valbuena, and Straily?  That's an easy call, and a good bit of maneuvering by Luhnow, IMO.

+1 As I said earlier, I liked Straily's stuff when he was in Oakland. I think that he's got a plus arm.

[jbm]

Rasmus has more pop, Fowler is better OBP, but that is the wrong way of looking at it.

Are the Astros better off with Fowler, or with Rasmus, Valbuena, and Straily?  That's an easy call, and a good bit of maneuvering by Luhnow, IMO.

I don't think you are wrong, but I have a hard time characterizing it as "an easy call."  It is certainly possible that their value will not exceed Fowler's.

[BizidyDizidy]

I don't think you are wrong, but I have a hard time characterizing it as "an easy call."  It is certainly possible that their value will not exceed Fowler's.

For one year?

[subnuclear]

If Valbuena or a Valbuena/Dominguez platoon or a motivated Dominguez produces average 3B production and defense, then that makes up for a lot of whatever differences between Fowler and a Marisnick/Rasmus combination in the outfield.

[MusicMan]

I don't think you are wrong, but I have a hard time characterizing it as "an easy call."  It is certainly possible that their value will not exceed Fowler's.

According to WAR, Valbuena alone exceeded Fowler last year.

[jbm]

For one year?

Yeah, I was just thinking about one year, but Rasmus is only signed for one year.  Additionally, Valbuena's and Straily's salary would have to be added to Rasmus' 8 mil to make it an apples to apples comparison.

2015 projected salaries
Rasmus - 8 mil
Valbuena - 4.2 mil (BB ref)
Straily - .5 mil last year, I don't know this year
Fowler - unknown, but presumably less 12.7 mil

So, the better comparison is Fowler plus what could be purchased with the excess versus the value of those three.

[Bench]

Fowler - unknown, but presumably less 12.7 mil

Fowler submitted an arbitration figure of $10.8 million, the Astros countered with $8.5 million.

[jbm]

According to WAR, Valbuena alone exceeded Fowler last year.

I hear you, but I kind of question that comparison because it presumes that a major league front office is so stupid that they are taking on salary, just to lose wins, and for two years or more.  They might be the FTC, but the analysis has to be more complicated than just comparing 2014 WAR.

[MusicMan]

I hear you, but I kind of question that comparison because it presumes that a major league front office is so stupid that they are taking on salary, just to lose wins, and for two years or more.  They might be the FTC, but the analysis has to be more complicated than just comparing 2014 WAR.

The Cubs had an exceed at IF, and needed a CF.  Vice versa for the Astros.  Sometimes you're just swapping need for need.

[Fredia]

still seems strange trading with the scrubbies

[roadrunner]

Considering Luhnow had no interest in extending Fowler, it seems like a pretty good deal. 

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

The only thing I ever liked about Rasmus is that he didn't get along with LaBooza. Otherwise he always seemed like a fragile underachieving cry-baby. I will readjust my feelings long enough to give him a fair shot at being one of the Good-Guys.

[astrosfan76]

@hankshulman
#sfgiants working toward a deal with Ryan Vogelsong. Looks like it will happen. One year.

Well, there's that. Would have been nice to have, but I won't get too worked up about it.

[JimR]

The only thing I ever liked about Rasmus is that he didn't get along with LaBooza. Otherwise he always seemed like a fragile underachieving cry-baby. I will readjust my feelings long enough to give him a fair shot at being one of the Good-Guys.

he may be a turd, but he's our turd.

[Fredia]

somehow that makes all the difference

[Jacksonian]

Fowler submitted an arbitration figure of $10.8 million, the Astros countered with $8.5 million.

He signed for $9.5 mil.

[pots]

He signed for $9.5 mil.

Out of curiosity, If one is traded after the numbers are turned in does the new team get to resubmit a number or are they locked in at the number the previous team submitted?

[Nate Colbert]

Out of curiosity, If one is traded after the numbers are turned in does the new team get to resubmit a number or are they locked in at the number the previous team submitted?

Locked in. Acquiring team steps into the shoes of the previous team's offer.

[Nate Colbert]

@hankshulman
#sfgiants working toward a deal with Ryan Vogelsong. Looks like it will happen. One year.

Vogelsong ended up signing for a very reasonable $4MM + incentives.

[Nate Colbert]

Drellich going all Woodward & Bernstein on the Vogelsong thang, treating it as potentially another huge fuckup on the Astros part. I counted 24 separate tweets from him about it over a span of about 5 hours. Here's his shit-stirring article on it. The article in the SF Chronicle about Vogelsong's re-signing doesn't even mention any controversy.

[JimR]

Vogelsong sure mentioned a controversy. What the hell happened?

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Vogelson sure mentioned a controversy. What the hell happened?

Trying to read between the lines, I'm thinking maybe his wife weighed in and she preferred living San Francisco over Houston.

[Lefty]

Maybe he wasn't guaranteed a spot in the rotation?

[Uncle Charlie]

Maybe he wasn't guaranteed a spot in the rotation?

That's what I was thinking too.  He implied language in the contract with the Astros would need to be added where it wouldn't be needed with the Giants.

The way D goes after the Astros, it wouldn't be suprising if he ends up being completely ineffective and sent to pasture like JDJO

[subnuclear]

The way D goes after the Astros, it wouldn't be suprising if he ends up being completely ineffective and sent to pasture like JDJO

If this happens, it isn't because Drellich isn't doing his job.

[Nate Colbert]

Now kicking the tires on Kevin Correia for the rotation.

[Mr. Happy]

Now kicking the tires on Kevin Correia for the rotation.

Saw him pitch last season. I wasn't impressed. He gives up a lot of hits, and I saw few swings and misses.

[Dark Star]

Now kicking the tires on Kevin Correia for the rotation.

Please, no.

[jaklewein]

That's what I was thinking too.  He implied language in the contract with the Astros would need to be added where it wouldn't be needed with the Giants.

The way D goes after the Astros, it wouldn't be suprising if he ends up being completely ineffective and sent to pasture like JDJO

Been thinking about the Vogelsong situation.  I wonder if the Astros philosophy regarding shifts (and their propensity to use them more than most other teams) was the factor that freaked him out?  He said he felt uncomfortable after meeting with Hinch and upper management.

[roadrunner]

Been thinking about the Vogelsong situation.  I wonder if the Astros philosophy regarding shifts (and their propensity to use them more than most other teams) was the factor that freaked him out?  He said he felt uncomfortable after meeting with Hinch and upper management.

His quotes were weird.  Like "you would never believe me if I told you".  I don't really give a shit either way and am glad that somehow didn't become a bigger story considering the Astros FO is a lightning rod for that kind of thing.

[Nate Colbert]

Regarding Jose Veras:

(Veras) said Monday that he was talking to about four teams, including the Astros.

[juliogotay]

Been thinking about the Vogelsong situation.  I wonder if the Astros philosophy regarding shifts (and their propensity to use them more than most other teams) was the factor that freaked him out?  He said he felt uncomfortable after meeting with Hinch and upper management.

I don't think shifts would have caused the reaction he had.

[astrosfan76]

I don't think shifts would have caused the reaction he had.

Maybe he felt incredulous that the club didn't offer a guaranteed spot in the rotation?

[BUWebguy]

Maybe he felt incredulous that the club didn't offer a guaranteed spot in the rotation?

Or were honest about the possibility of trading him at the deadline?

[Nate Colbert]

So much for the Kyle Kendrick rumors--various tweets saying he's now signed with Rockies on a 1-year, $5.5MM deal.

[mrpink]

So much for the Kyle Kendrick rumors--various tweets saying he's now signed with Rockies on a 1-year, $5.5MM deal.

Thank God.

[JimR]

Been thinking about the Vogelsong situation.  I wonder if the Astros philosophy regarding shifts (and their propensity to use them more than most other teams) was the factor that freaked him out?  He said he felt uncomfortable after meeting with Hinch and upper management.

I read an article quoting his agent saying it was only money.

[Nate Colbert]

Jose Veras signed to minor league deal by Braves.

Hmmm...


Other free agent pitcher news (per Drellich):

Zito workout session attended, yes*. Albers workout session attended, no.


*Don't get your jockeys in a bunch--longshot to sign.

[Nate Colbert]

Astros sign the pitcher formerly known as Fausto Carmona (he changed his name originally because he didn't want to be confused with the *other* Roberto Hernandez) to minors deal with spring training invite. Candidate for back end of rotation.

Per various tweets.

ETA:

Per Drellich, deal is worth $2.65MM if he makes the club w/an April 1 opt-out.

[Bench]

Astros sign the pitcher formerly known as Fausto Carmona (he changed his name originally because he didn't want to be confused with the *other* Roberto Hernandez) to minors deal with spring training invite. Candidate for back end of rotation.

Per various tweets.

Ha! I just assumed it was the other Roberto Hernandez which made the Barry Zito talks somehow less ridiculous. I had no idea Fausto pulled an Eny.

[Nate Colbert]

Astros allegedly one of the teams "most interested" in LOOGY Joe Thatcher.

ETA:

‏@EvanDrellich  28m ago
Source confirms Astros are “definitely in the mix” for Joe Thatcher. @ChrisCotillo reported earlier

[Bench]

Astros allegedly one of the teams "most interested" in LOOGY Joe Thatcher.

ETA:

According to McTags the Astros gave Thatcher a minor league deal and an invitation to spring training.

[Nate Colbert]

According to McTags the Astros gave Thatcher a minor league deal and an invitation to spring training.

Also says contract is worth $1MM if he makes team and like Roberto Hernandez has an April 1 opt-out clause.

[Nate Colbert]

Matt Albers signs with ChiSox.

[juliogotay]

Matt Albers signs with ChiSox.

I would have liked him back in Houston. He pitched well when he was healthy last year. Seems like he would have warranted a minor league deal.

[Mr. Happy]

I would have liked him back in Houston. He pitched well when he was healthy last year. Seems like he would have warranted a minor league deal.

I agree, but c'est la vie.

[Nate Colbert]

The 4 years was noted previously, but while there may have been some speculation I don't recall having seen the dollar amount actually having been reported before:

[Andrew] Miller said he turned down more money from the Astros (four years, $40 million), and that the Red Sox made an excellent offer, but the Yankees’ situation was too good to pass up. While Miller believes the Astros are heading in the right direction, he thought it would take a while. “I had more questions about Houston,” he said. “It’s going to be fun to watch them. But there aren’t too many questions about teams like the Yankees and Red Sox."

[Reuben]

The 4 years was noted previously, but while there may have been some speculation I don't recall having seen the dollar amount actually having been reported before:
 

The funny thing is, the Yankees actually have a lot of question-marks these days.

[juliogotay]

The funny thing is, the Yankees actually have a lot of question-marks these days.

They'll print some more money and buy their way out of it.

[GreatBagwellsBeard]

The funny thing is, the Yankees actually have a lot of question-marks these days.

Not to mention the BoSox.  Worst team in the AL East last year.

[Nate Colbert]

So the Vogelsong brouhaha? Heyman says it was because Astros brass lowered their offer once they saw the results of his physical.

And on an unrelated note, he quotes anonymous sources as saying the Nix settlement was for "significantly less" than the $1.5MM bonus originally agreed to before everything went into the shitter.

[Nate Colbert]

Jhoulys Chacin gets his walking papers from the Rockies.

[Nate Colbert]

Andrew Baggarly ‏@extrabaggs  27 minutes ago
That's six homers served up in 16.2 innings for Ryan Vogelsong this season.

Subsequent to this tweet, gave up 2 more longballs. Now 8 HRs allowed in 19.1 IP. Baggarly probably wasn't trying to intimate anything but I thought this subsequent tweet was interesting given the whole hoo-haw over Vogelsong's medicals:

Andrew Baggarly ‏@extrabaggs  17 minutes ago
The only pitcher in the majors to allow more home runs than Vogelsong is Brandon McCarthy, who is having TJ surgery tomorrow.

[Nate Colbert]

Per various tweets, the Astros have signed Jose Veras to a minor league deal and have assigned him to EST.