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David Freese
« on: October 31, 2014, 11:01:29 pm »
So there is a report that the Angels are looking to trade either Howie Kendrick or David Freese this offseason.  I think it is highly possible that David Freese plays next year in an Astros uniform.  There is the Cardinals connection, and he is an obvious upgrade over Dominguez (but who isn't).  He would also be a stop gap replacement, which is what I think the Astros are looking for as they buy time for Moran to be ready.  Thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2014, 08:09:11 am »
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Re: David Freese
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2014, 08:13:44 am »
Quote from: textitan on October 31, 2014, 11:01:29 pm
So there is a report that the Angels are looking to trade either Howie Kendrick or David Freese this offseason.  I think it is highly possible that David Freese plays next year in an Astros uniform.  There is the Cardinals connection, and he is an obvious upgrade over Dominguez (but who isn't).  He would also be a stop gap replacement, which is what I think the Astros are looking for as they buy time for Moran to be ready.  Thoughts?

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Re: David Freese
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2014, 08:23:12 am »
An average hitter at 3B would be a significant offensive upgrade over Dominguez last year so Freese makes some sense. Dominguez does some very nice stuff on defense though, so maybe the Astros tread water here until Moran or Riuz or whoever are ready.
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Re: David Freese
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2014, 08:25:47 am »
I'm not against Freese, per se, just wondering what the hell a "Cardinals connection" has to do with anything. 
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Re: David Freese
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2014, 08:59:27 am »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on November 01, 2014, 08:25:47 am
I'm not against Freese, per se, just wondering what the hell a "Cardinals connection" has to do with anything. 

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Except for my friends who miraculously turned out to be Kansas City fans and would not stop beating that drum. FUCK. Did you know that 'Kansas City' is the BEST song about a city anywhere? Of course you knew KC had the best barbecue, loads of it. And it's so picturesque and pastoral, and everyone is a saint and so friendly and cool, and they have great weather, and oh - it's just the BEST. So much better than that shithole down I-70.

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Re: David Freese
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2014, 09:10:56 am »
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All baseball roads run through St. Louis.

Except for my friends who miraculously turned out to be Kansas City fans and would not stop beating that drum. FUCK. Did you know that 'Kansas City' is the BEST song about a city anywhere? Of course you knew KC had the best barbecue, loads of it. And it's so picturesque and pastoral, and everyone is a saint and so friendly and cool, and they have great weather, and oh - it's just the BEST. So much better than that shithole down I-70.

I've been to KC once, for a football game.  It was nice.  I wouldn't get carried away with it or anything, but it was nice. 
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Re: David Freese
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2014, 09:36:53 am »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on November 01, 2014, 09:10:56 am
I've been to KC once, for a football game.  It was nice.  I wouldn't get carried away with it or anything, but it was nice. 

I'm sure that compared to what's around it, KC is an oasis but these people are convinced it's Nirvana on the Plains.
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Re: David Freese
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2014, 10:24:09 am »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on November 01, 2014, 08:25:47 am
I'm not against Freese, per se, just wondering what the hell a "Cardinals connection" has to do with anything. 

I am not against him either. He did struggle at the plate last season a bit, and he's battled some injuries the past two years. However, Dominguez needs to significantly improve his hitting before I consider him a fixture.
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Re: David Freese
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2014, 11:13:39 am »
Before it can be taken seriously, Kansas City needs to be in Kansas.
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Re: David Freese
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2014, 11:22:05 am »
Quote from: Ron Brand on November 01, 2014, 08:59:27 am
Did you know that 'Kansas City' is the BEST song about a city anywhere?



I didn't even know there was a song named 'Kansas City'
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Re: David Freese
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2014, 11:23:04 am »
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Re: David Freese
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2014, 11:59:04 am »
Quote from: BizidyDizidy on November 01, 2014, 11:23:04 am
I love the fact that a guy who once posted his address to facilitate a fistfight with another poster is now the hall monitor.

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Re: David Freese
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2014, 01:46:06 pm »
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I am not against him either. He did struggle at the plate last season a bit, and he's battled some injuries the past two years. However, Dominguez needs to significantly improve his hitting before I consider him a fixture.

I don't know who called Dominguez a fixture or what it has to do with this scenario.
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Re: David Freese
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2014, 01:47:37 pm »
Quote from: geezerdonk on November 01, 2014, 11:13:39 am
Before it can be taken seriously, Kansas City needs to be in Kansas.

Part of it is.
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Re: David Freese
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2014, 01:50:43 pm »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on November 01, 2014, 08:25:47 am
I'm not against Freese, per se, just wondering what the hell a "Cardinals connection" has to do with anything. 

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Re: David Freese
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2014, 03:47:41 pm »
Billy Butler could be a decent platoon option with Singleton, if the price were right.
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Re: David Freese
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2014, 05:09:29 pm »
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Luhnow.

I'm familiar with him. I still don't know what it has to do with anything unless one thinks Luhnow is blinded by his former employer.
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Re: David Freese
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2014, 06:39:53 pm »
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I'm familiar with him. I still don't know what it has to do with anything unless one thinks Luhnow is blinded by his former employer.

I do. I think he's got a secret cardinal tattoo on his the inside of his eyelids.  But besides that, he might have a bit more history with Freese than with some others.
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Re: David Freese
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2014, 06:45:58 pm »
Quote from: NeilT on November 01, 2014, 06:39:53 pm
I do. I think he's got a secret cardinal tattoo on his the inside of his eyelids.  But besides that, he might have a bit more history with Freese than with some others.

Maybe Hinch can recommend some old Diamondbacks to round out the lineup.
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Re: David Freese
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2014, 06:48:01 pm »
Quote from: NeilT on November 01, 2014, 06:39:53 pm
I do. I think he's got a secret cardinal tattoo on his the inside of his eyelids.  But besides that, he might have a bit more history with Freese than with some others.
Pfffftt. You mean like personal history? Like having actually seen the player play many many times with his own eyeballs, been around him and gotten a sense of his personality, work ethic, and possible veteran leadership qualities? Come on. Everybody knows the Astros don't care about that stuff. It's illogical and they are robots who only do what's logical based on their algorithms. And Luhnow has definitely, definitely not shown an inclination to hire former Cardinals employees.
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Re: David Freese
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2014, 06:53:59 pm »
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Pfffftt. You mean like personal history? Like having actually seen the player play many many times with his own eyeballs, been around him and gotten a sense of his personality, work ethic, and possible veteran leadership qualities? Come on. Everybody knows the Astros don't care about that stuff. It's illogical and they are robots who only do what's logical based on their algorithms. And Luhnow has definitely, definitely not shown an inclination to hire former Cardinals employees.

You're right.  The Astros should sign every ex-Cardinal they can find.  Even if they're not particularly good, Luhnow has seen them, so that pretty much makes up for any shortcomings.   
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Re: David Freese
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2014, 06:58:44 pm »
I haven't paid much attention to Freese, but he did have three pretty good seasons before his last two, at least by the numbers.  Is there something wrong with him?

I've heard no rumors about where Hinch's Diamondback tattoo is located. I'm pretty sure it's a snake tattoo.
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Re: David Freese
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2014, 07:01:23 pm »
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I haven't paid much attention to Freese, but he did have three pretty good seasons before his last two, at least by the numbers.  Is there something wrong with him?

He is what he is.  Is that an upgrade from Dominguez?  Not really. 

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Re: David Freese
« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2014, 05:32:30 am »
I don't see Freese as that much of an improvement over Dominguez and you'll have to give up something to get him. Plus he's 31 and will be a free agent in 2016.
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« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2014, 07:19:23 am »
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I don't see Freese as that much of an improvement over Dominguez and you'll have to give up something to get him. Plus he's 31 and will be a free agent in 2016.

Plus, he's an ex-Cardinal.
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« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2014, 07:29:15 am »
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Plus, he's an ex-Cardinal.

Which would be okay if he shat turds of pure gold.
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« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2014, 08:47:13 am »
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You're right.  The Astros should sign every ex-Cardinal they can find.  Even if they're not particularly good, Luhnow has seen them, so that pretty much makes up for any shortcomings.   
I'm pretty sure you know that that's not what I'm saying.

Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on November 02, 2014, 05:32:30 am
I don't see Freese as that much of an improvement over Dominguez and you'll have to give up something to get him. Plus he's 31 and will be a free agent in 2016.
This is more in line with my thoughts on the matter.
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« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2014, 04:57:05 pm »
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« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2014, 05:11:20 pm »
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Re: David Freese
« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2014, 07:26:32 pm »
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Part of it is.

Isn't Kansas City, Kansas an entirely separate city? 
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« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2014, 12:20:33 pm »
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Isn't Kansas City, Kansas an entirely separate city? 

Sort of like St. Louis and East St. Louis?

What's wrong with a state that cannot even keep it's two largest cities from crossing the border?
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« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2014, 12:48:18 pm »
The benefit of rivers as boundaries is pretty marginal in the age of GPS.
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« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2014, 01:03:57 pm »
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Sort of like St. Louis and East St. Louis?

At least those two had the grace to differentiate the names.
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