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« on: June 12, 2014, 09:29:06 am »
May as well start it... USA!

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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2014, 12:51:47 pm »
The game today should be interesting.  I've heard (from my better informed friends) that Croatia has a strong side and that Brasil hasn't looked great in the friendlies so far.


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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2014, 01:40:08 pm »
The game today should be interesting.  I've heard (from my better informed friends) that Croatia has a strong side and that Brasil hasn't looked great in the friendlies so far.

Definite whiff of banana skin about this one.
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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2014, 01:45:23 pm »
Definite whiff of banana skin about this one.

You've probably seen them all already, and many are clearly retreads with the details changed for Brazil, but here's a helpfully consolidated bunch of England jokes.

My personal favorite:  The England team visited an orphanage in Rio today: "It's heartbreaking to see their sad little faces with no hope," said Jose, age 6.
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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2014, 01:46:48 pm »
Croatia is really good and this is not the best team Brazil has ever assembled. Today's game might be very interesting.

But as long as both of them in turn kick the shit out of Mexico I'll be happy.
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2014, 03:16:14 pm »
Croatia is really good and this is not the best team Brazil has ever assembled. Today's game might be very interesting.

But as long as both of them in turn kick the shit out of Mexico I'll be happy.

Brazil starts the world cup with an own goal.  Not looking good.
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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2014, 03:31:28 pm »
My personal favorite:  The England team visited an orphanage in Rio today: "It's heartbreaking to see their sad little faces with no hope," said Jose, age 6.

That's awesome!
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2014, 09:13:20 pm »
The only part of today's game that I've seen is the replay of the "penalty" that gave Brazil a 2-1 lead, so I don't know if Brazil outplayed Croatia and deserved to win the game or not. But giving the home team a ridiculous break like that doesn't do much to burnish FIFA's sterling reputation.
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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2014, 09:17:25 pm »
Judging by the officiating today, and the fear of riots.... Is there any reason at all not to just keep betting on Brazil?
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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2014, 09:21:05 pm »
Judging by the officiating today, and the fear of riots.... Is there any reason at all not to just keep betting on Brazil?

None that I can see. You'll know the jig is up if you see David Stern in Sepp Blatter's box.
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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2014, 11:35:58 pm »
Brazil outplayed Croatia but that penalty was a joke.

Apparently the field that Italy and England will use is a mess.
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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2014, 07:20:05 am »
Brazil outplayed Croatia but that penalty was a joke.

Apparently the field that Italy and England will use is a mess.

The field at Manaus makes the field at JerryWorld for the Gold Cup look like a fairway at Augusta.

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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2014, 08:57:02 am »
Menaus is a shit hole.  I have no idea why they would play there.  How bad is the weather when it rains so much grass won't grow?

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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2014, 11:48:26 am »
Mexio can't stay onsides!

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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2014, 12:50:19 pm »
This game looks absolutely miserable to play in.
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« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2014, 01:18:07 pm »
This game looks absolutely miserable to play in.

I wish it would rain limke that in Austin.

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« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2014, 08:35:20 pm »
I wish it would rain limke that in Austin.

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« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2014, 11:55:37 pm »
RVP with one of the best goals you will ever see in your lifetime....  That is what the WC is all about.
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« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2014, 12:28:33 am »
RVP with one of the best goals you will ever see in your lifetime....  That is what the WC is all about.

And Robben completely undressing Ramos wasn't too bad, either. The Dutch seem to be keeping up their end of the bargain. I'm anxious to see if Belgium will, too.

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« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2014, 12:58:47 pm »
Greece is a strong team and even without Falcao Colombia had no trouble with them whatsoever. Pekerman has his team playing well.
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« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2014, 03:46:53 pm »
Costa Rica taking down Uruguay. Maybe CONCACAF can earn some respect in this tournament. And Uruguay could use a real goalkeeper.
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« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2014, 04:05:50 pm »
It's amazing how terrible Uruguay looked - slow, tentative, confused. They are going to get their asses handed to them the next two games.
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« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2014, 12:51:17 am »
Costa Rica taking down Uruguay. Maybe CONCACAF can earn some respect in this tournament. And Uruguay could use a real goalkeeper.

Never.  If it isn't UEFA or Brazil/Argentina then it doesn't count. 

What a great showing from CONCACAF so far, congrats Costa Rica !
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« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2014, 03:24:13 pm »
For most of the first half it looked like Honduras would keep this going but France finally wore them down.
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« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2014, 12:34:55 am »
For most of the first half it looked like Honduras would keep this going but France finally wore them down.

I watched the Palacios - Pogba incident and was very conflicted.  At first I was mad that Pogba wasn't sent off.  Then I realized that, actually, I just wished that such a sensible referee had been around when this happened.  

That game ended up tied 2-2 after extra time, and the fucking Argies won on penalties.  Oh well, we still have the Falklands.
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« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2014, 06:59:20 am »
For most of the first half it looked like Honduras would keep this going but France finally wore them down.

On the positive side for Honduras, the Swiss looked mediocre.  If France can win by 3 later this week over them it will set up a "winner gets through" tie between Honduras and the Swiss.....assuming Honduras can dispatch Ecuador which isn't in itself a given.
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« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2014, 09:39:49 am »
On the positive side for Honduras, the Swiss looked mediocre. 

In the first half, I thought the Swiss had never run a set piece before.

Naturally, they came out and scored on a corner.
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« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2014, 09:50:12 am »
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« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2014, 10:02:09 am »
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« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2014, 10:23:27 am »
Oh well, we still have the Falklands.

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« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2014, 11:36:39 am »
If Honduras can beat Ecuador I will be astounded. Of course I gave the Ticos no chance against La Celeste so I'm not exactly Nate Silver.
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« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2014, 11:42:09 am »
Portugal looks tired and really out of sync. In fact, they look highly overrated! They're lucky they are not down by more goals than 2 right now.

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« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2014, 11:53:37 am »
They're lucky they are not down by more goals than 2 right now.

Whoops.
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« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2014, 04:57:32 pm »
Whoops.

Best thing to happen in a group of death is for one of the strong teams to get thumped by one of the others.  Blows it wide open.  Getting thumped while losing one pivotal player to a suspension and another to injury almost is too much. 

Sticking my neck out....winner of USA - Ghana qualifies 2nd from this group. 

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« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2014, 05:14:32 pm »
And boom goes the Depseymite. 
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« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2014, 05:26:29 pm »
And boom goes the Depseymite. 

And twang goes Altidore's hammy. 
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« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2014, 05:52:14 pm »
A lot time spent around the US goal, but I guess that was intentional.

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« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2014, 05:56:21 pm »
And twang goes Altidore's hammy. 

Interesting that if he's out for a few weeks, does Donovan replace?
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« Reply #38 on: June 16, 2014, 05:57:20 pm »
A lot time spent around the US goal, but I guess that was intentional.

Counter attack. That is so typical of when a team takes the lead, they fall back and look for the chance to counter-attack. Bedoya seems to be the key to a counter-attack now, since they are marking Bradley so closely. Sloppy play from Beasley though, a stronger back would make the passes to the middle a little tougher to accomplish.

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« Reply #39 on: June 16, 2014, 05:58:07 pm »
Interesting that if he's out for a few weeks, does Donovan replace?

Strained hammy... that makes it a day to day sort of injury. Yikes.

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« Reply #40 on: June 16, 2014, 06:01:35 pm »
Best thing to happen in a group of death is for one of the strong teams to get thumped by one of the others.  Blows it wide open.  Getting thumped while losing one pivotal player to a suspension and another to injury almost is too much. 

Sticking my neck out....winner of USA - Ghana qualifies 2nd from this group. 

Have at it!!

I actually agree, because you don't have to win from here on out (whoever wins this match), you only need to tie either Germany or Portugal. That Portugal lost by four goals makes it hard for them to tie in the standings and rely on goal differential. You are correct, getting thumped is key to their lost today.

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« Reply #41 on: June 16, 2014, 09:36:17 pm »
Interesting that if he's out for a few weeks, does Donovan replace?

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« Reply #42 on: June 16, 2014, 10:29:36 pm »
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« Reply #43 on: June 16, 2014, 11:23:26 pm »
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I'm glad they won and I hope they advance but man, that team has some problems. I hope to see them against Belgium because I'm not sure we'll be able to gauge all that much from their next two games. Portugal is in disarray and Germany have the best team I've seen so far.
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« Reply #44 on: June 17, 2014, 12:03:18 am »
That was the worst game the USMNT has played in 2 years...and yet they somehow got 3 points.

Never imagined Michael Bradley could play so bad and we would win, heck outside of the first 30 seconds not sure outside of Tim Howard or Jermaine Jones played well.
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« Reply #45 on: June 17, 2014, 07:08:13 am »
That was the worst game the USMNT has played in 2 years...and yet they somehow got 3 points.

Never imagined Michael Bradley could play so bad and we would win, heck outside of the first 30 seconds not sure outside of Tim Howard or Jermaine Jones played well.

+1, though I would add Beckerman to playing a relatively good match

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« Reply #46 on: June 17, 2014, 07:59:58 am »
The biggest ?s coming into the WC was the back 4, but they played surprising well considering the complete lack of possession we had.  Ghana had a really nice goal, but honestly other than that, despite having the ball for what seemed like 90% of the time, Ghana really didn't get many good looks.
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« Reply #48 on: June 17, 2014, 09:50:06 am »
Never imagined Michael Bradley could play so bad and we would win, heck outside of the first 30 seconds not sure outside of Tim Howard or Jermaine Jones played well.

Dempsey's nose was broken, but he gutted it out so as to not burn their final sub.

Which turned out to be kind of critical.
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« Reply #49 on: June 17, 2014, 11:20:15 am »
This pretty much nails my opinion of the players performances.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/17/sports/worldcup/player-ratings-united-states-2-vs-ghana-1.html?_r=1

Yup. Fabian Johnson was caught going up field way too much, which put a stress on the defense. It's ironic that Ghana was picking on the right side because Beasley was the left back. He was beaten so badly on so many plays, he looked he was resorting to trying to hold the jerseys of the other team. But the Ghana goal came from the left side in one of the few times they decided to switch the field of play and again, found Johnson well out of position and chasing the Ghana player from behind.
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« Reply #50 on: June 17, 2014, 11:22:34 am »
I'm glad they won and I hope they advance but man, that team has some problems. I hope to see them against Belgium because I'm not sure we'll be able to gauge all that much from their next two games. Portugal is in disarray and Germany have the best team I've seen so far.

I agree with you. I'm hoping against hope that Portugal really is in disarray, but my heart says they had an off match against Germany and will power their way back against the wounded American side. I'm thinking that Klingsman might try to pull a defensive keep away game with Portugal, but if the Ghana match is any indication, I wouldn't try it with this group of players. They didn't seem to have the right skills to play that sort of keep away match.

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« Reply #51 on: June 19, 2014, 04:19:23 am »
I agree with you. I'm hoping against hope that Portugal really is in disarray, but my heart says they had an off match against Germany and will power their way back against the wounded American side. I'm thinking that Klingsman might try to pull a defensive keep away game with Portugal, but if the Ghana match is any indication, I wouldn't try it with this group of players. They didn't seem to have the right skills to play that sort of keep away match.


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« Reply #52 on: June 19, 2014, 01:24:15 pm »
Los Cafeteros are the latest to punch their ticket to the second stage. They're playing as well as anyone other than Germany.
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« Reply #53 on: June 19, 2014, 04:30:35 pm »
Meanwhile, England punched their own dicks into a quick exit next Tuesday. 
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« Reply #54 on: June 19, 2014, 04:35:33 pm »
They could still potentially advance on goal differential, correct, if they beat Costa Rica, and both Costa Rica and Uruguay lose to Italy?

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« Reply #55 on: June 19, 2014, 04:50:08 pm »
They could still potentially advance on goal differential, correct, if they beat Costa Rica, and both Costa Rica and Uruguay lose to Italy?

According to Nate Silver the English still have a 3.5% chance of advancing. 
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« Reply #56 on: June 19, 2014, 04:50:28 pm »
They could still potentially advance on goal differential, correct, if they beat Costa Rica, and both Costa Rica and Uruguay lose to Italy?

You need to lift your head from the numbers and watch the games.  It would be an insult to amateurs to describe England as amateurish.  Piss poor defending, zero marking, giving the ball away all over the pitch, static and clueless in attack.  And that's just the so-called experienced leader Steve Gerrard.  No one else was any better.  

But, yes, Italy running the table and England beating Costa Rica would see them through. 
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« Reply #57 on: June 19, 2014, 05:09:00 pm »
According to Nate Silver the English still have a 3.5% chance of advancing. 

Even Lloyd Christmas isn't buying that one. 
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« Reply #58 on: June 19, 2014, 06:02:07 pm »
You need to lift your head from the numbers and watch the games.  It would be an insult to amateurs to describe England as amateurish.  Piss poor defending, zero marking, giving the ball away all over the pitch, static and clueless in attack.  And that's just the so-called experienced leader Steve Gerrard.  No one else was any better.  

But, yes, Italy running the table and England beating Costa Rica would see them through. 

Gerrard managed to submarine both Liverpool's championship and England's world cup in a span of a few months.  Rough year for him.
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« Reply #59 on: June 19, 2014, 06:24:11 pm »
Gerrard managed to submarine both Liverpool's championship and England's world cup in a span of a few months.  Rough year for him.

Not really.  He does this a lot.

The press in Limeyland had been focused on Rooney, more specifically, which part of the pitch he was going to be shit in for tonight's game.  Meanwhile, Gerrard's completely anaemic performance against Italy went unnoticed.  Not one to be outshone, he made sure people noticed his craptitude today. 

FWIW, I've never bought the idea that Gerrard is anything other than slightly above average for a club player. 
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« Reply #60 on: June 19, 2014, 10:50:20 pm »
You need to lift your head from the numbers and watch the games.  It would be an insult to amateurs to describe England as amateurish.  Piss poor defending, zero marking, giving the ball away all over the pitch, static and clueless in attack.  And that's just the so-called experienced leader Steve Gerrard.  No one else was any better. 

But, yes, Italy running the table and England beating Costa Rica would see them through. 

Nothing more than a comment on possibility, thought I didn't think they looked horrible in the bits I saw today, save for the mental snafu that allowed Suarez to get behind the defense for the game-winner.

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« Reply #61 on: June 20, 2014, 01:37:22 pm »
According to Nate Silver the English still have a 3.5% chance of advancing. 

It's 0% now.
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« Reply #62 on: June 20, 2014, 02:03:21 pm »
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« Reply #63 on: June 21, 2014, 09:59:34 am »
It's 0% now.

Some morons are now clamouring for a Great Britain team, presumably because Gareth Bale is Welsh, not English.  Can't think of anyone else who would be a real difference maker.  Of course, the urine in that particular bowl of strawberries is that Uruguay has a population 1/20th of that of the England. 
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« Reply #64 on: June 21, 2014, 01:17:12 pm »
Some morons are now clamouring for a Great Britain team, presumably because Gareth Bale is Welsh, not English.  Can't think of anyone else who would be a real difference maker.  Of course, the urine in that particular bowl of strawberries is that Uruguay has a population 1/20th of that of the England. 

Isn't Scotland going to secede?
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« Reply #65 on: June 22, 2014, 08:53:14 am »
Isn't Scotland going to secede?

With any luck.  Besides, they're even worse at football than England.
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« Reply #66 on: June 22, 2014, 05:09:32 pm »
Well, that was certainly pathetic. Although not unexpected.
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« Reply #67 on: June 22, 2014, 05:46:50 pm »
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« Reply #68 on: June 22, 2014, 06:21:42 pm »
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« Reply #69 on: June 22, 2014, 06:22:36 pm »
The BBC announcers were just making comments about the Americans keeping too many players outside of the penalty box.

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« Reply #70 on: June 22, 2014, 06:24:29 pm »
Well, that was justice. The US really has been outplaying Portugal, and I still don't understand how Bradley didn't convert on his chance.
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« Reply #71 on: June 22, 2014, 06:39:27 pm »
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« Reply #72 on: June 22, 2014, 06:54:47 pm »
15 seconds from winning the game, and Beasley gives Ronaldo too much room.
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« Reply #73 on: June 22, 2014, 06:57:06 pm »
Well, that was a sucky deal.

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« Reply #74 on: June 22, 2014, 06:59:58 pm »
On what planet and in what dimension of space and time is Michael Bradley considered a professional soccer player?
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« Reply #75 on: June 22, 2014, 07:50:45 pm »
On what planet and in what dimension of space and time is Michael Bradley considered a professional soccer player?

For about twenty minutes in the middle of the first half.
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« Reply #76 on: June 22, 2014, 08:04:41 pm »
On what planet and in what dimension of space and time is Michael Bradley considered a professional soccer player?

The sad truth is that the US have no better option to replace him.
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« Reply #77 on: June 22, 2014, 10:22:54 pm »
I've got guys on my team who make $200 a month who are considerably less destructive than he is. Every time I looked up he was doing something horrible. Fuck, just sit down, everyone would be better off.

I swallow my pride and start rooting for all the CONCACAF teams (almost all I should say) and this is the thanks I get?
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« Reply #78 on: June 23, 2014, 08:42:35 am »
What is weird is that it seemed like everyone agreed Bradley was the best US player going into the tournament.

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« Reply #79 on: June 23, 2014, 09:57:57 am »
He sure looked good in pre-Cup games.

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« Reply #80 on: June 23, 2014, 10:17:34 am »
Beware the Manaus Effect!

There has been a lot of talk about the sense, or lack thereof, of using Manaus as a venue.  It's eleventy-million miles away from everywhere else in Brazil, and it's a swamp that would make Houston feel like Phoenix.  It saps energy like that hot chick from "Lifeforce" [NSFW], just without the magnificent boobage.

So far, the only two teams who have played there and gone on to play a subsequent match are England and Italy.  Both lost their subsequent matches, both surprisingly in varying degrees, and both sets of players demonstrating a distinct lack of verve.  While that's not much to go on as yet, the next teams to test the theory are Cameroon and Croatia who played in Manaus last match and who face off today against Brazil and Mexico respectively.

Now, Cameroon are probably on a hiding to nothing anyway, but it will be interesting to see if their trademark physicality is lacking.  Croatia may be a better barometer, as they gave Brazil a scare and were robbed of at least a point by the first (of many) refereeing howlers of the tournament.

If the Manaus Effect is borne out today, then Team USA has some worries.  One can expect a fit and rampant Ghana to turn over Portugal (who have looked below par in both games they've played so far), which means that USA will need at least a point* from their game against Germany.  Coach Klinsmann's decision to bring athletes over stars is going to be tested here, and may well pay off.


* A tie sends both Germany and USA through.  Joachim Lowe is the current German coach, having stepped up from assistant coach when his former boss, Jurgen Klinsmann moved on.
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« Reply #81 on: June 23, 2014, 10:27:14 am »
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« Reply #82 on: June 23, 2014, 02:24:13 pm »
I've got guys on my team who make $200 a month who are considerably less destructive than he is. Every time I looked up he was doing something horrible. Fuck, just sit down, everyone would be better off.

The Guardian has Bradley's back:

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« Reply #83 on: June 23, 2014, 03:50:07 pm »
I haven't watched the US team nearly as much as most of you and I seldom watch the MLS but from what I've seen over the past two games I can only conclude that this is a coach's son version of the emperor's new clothes.
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« Reply #84 on: June 23, 2014, 04:15:01 pm »
...this is a coach's son version of the emperor's new clothes.

Given how Bradley was undressed at midfield yesterday, I think I'm following you.
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« Reply #85 on: June 23, 2014, 04:23:59 pm »
The Mexicans are getting fucked again by the ref. This is great.
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« Reply #86 on: June 23, 2014, 04:25:25 pm »
Does anyone like the Mexico team?  I don't.

Also, do the fans shout "punto"?  or something like that?  I've also heard it at Dynamo games.  If so, what does it mean?
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« Reply #87 on: June 23, 2014, 04:30:51 pm »
The Mexicans are getting fucked again by the ref. This is great.

They just scored, so ....
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« Reply #88 on: June 23, 2014, 04:41:43 pm »
Does anyone like the Mexico team?  I don't.

They are one of my teams in a giant WC pool (blind draw).  I need them to do well as my #1 team is Portugal (FML).
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« Reply #89 on: June 23, 2014, 04:42:57 pm »
They just scored, so ....

...and the twice more.  3-0 Mexico.  They get to face Holland in the Eighthy-Finals.


ETA:  One more goal for mexico, and they win the group.

ETA2:  Except that Brazil score again, so NVM.
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« Reply #90 on: June 23, 2014, 04:46:28 pm »
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« Reply #91 on: June 23, 2014, 04:57:33 pm »
Beware the Manaus Effect!


For the record, now all 4 teams to have played in Manaus have lost their subsequent game.
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« Reply #92 on: June 23, 2014, 05:09:36 pm »

For the record, now all 4 teams to have played in Manaus have lost their subsequent game.

Well someone has to break that record and USA is the team to do it.
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« Reply #93 on: June 23, 2014, 05:14:34 pm »
Does anyone like the Mexico team?  I don't.

Also, do the fans shout "punto"?  or something like that?  I've also heard it at Dynamo games.  If so, what does it mean?

"Punto" means "point".  I'm not sure why they shout it.
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« Reply #94 on: June 23, 2014, 05:15:32 pm »
Well someone has to break that record and USA is the team to do it.

I hope so.
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« Reply #95 on: June 23, 2014, 05:20:22 pm »
ETA:  One more goal for mexico, and they win the group.

Conspiracy theory:  If you add back the goals that Mexico scored, but which were chalked off by the officials for no good reason, they win the group.  Or, more simply, if you chalk off Brazil's penalty earned off that ridiculous Fred flop, Mexico win the group.
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« Reply #96 on: June 23, 2014, 07:29:04 pm »
"Punto" means "point".  I'm not sure why they shout it.

I don't think I'm spelling it correctly then because the cheer is said and has nothing to do with a point.  There was apparently some kind of FIFA broo-ha-ha about one of their cheers. 
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« Reply #97 on: June 23, 2014, 07:34:19 pm »
I don't think I'm spelling it correctly then because the cheer is said and has nothing to do with a point.  There was apparently some kind of FIFA broo-ha-ha about one of their cheers. 

Were they maybe saying 'Puto'?

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« Reply #98 on: June 23, 2014, 07:54:15 pm »
Every time the opposing goalie (or whoever) kicks a goal kick the Mexican fans chant PUUUUTOOOO. It's ridiculously annoying and juvenile which is surely why they do it. Yes, FIFA looked into sanctioning Mexico for this on the basis that it is homophobic. Mexicans and Spanish speakers in general have plenty of ways to verbalize their homophobia but I must say that puto is not one of them. It's the male version of puta, whore, which can also be used as a sort of stand-alone expression of emphasis, dismay or disappointment. But puto is more like asshole than anything and it really doesn't have any homosexual connotations to any native Spanish speaker I know.

Which is too bad because I would love to see FIFA sanction Mexico, more than the referees already have, I mean.
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« Reply #99 on: June 23, 2014, 07:59:50 pm »
I should add that any time an opposing player gets hurt enough to stop play and attract attention from medical staff Panamanian fans will invariably start chanting Cueeeecoooo! Cueeeecoooo! which is naturally a homophobic slur. So if by some miracle Panama ever makes a World Cup in my lifetime I guess I should prepare for sanctions.
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« Reply #100 on: June 23, 2014, 09:18:04 pm »
I should add that any time an opposing player gets hurt enough to stop play and attract attention from medical staff Panamanian fans will invariably start chanting Cueeeecoooo! Cueeeecoooo! which is naturally a homophobic slur. So if by some miracle Panama ever makes a World Cup in my lifetime I guess I should prepare for sanctions.

For a long time in the English leagues, there was a tradition - started by Spurs fans, I believe, and copied by everyone else - of chanting at the opposing goalie's goal kicks.  As he placed the ball, fans would start with an extended "woooooooooooooooooooooooo", rising to a crescendo as he ran up to kick the ball, at which point they would chant in unison "You're shit!  Ahhhhhhhhhhhh!"

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No one ever said that footie fans are the smartest people in the world.

that's so different than American football.
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« Reply #102 on: June 23, 2014, 10:08:52 pm »
And now I believe I have my answer.  Weird that the friend I went to the Dynamo game didn't know being Spanish speaking and all.
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« Reply #103 on: June 24, 2014, 06:30:41 am »
Every time the opposing goalie (or whoever) kicks a goal kick the Mexican fans chant PUUUUTOOOO. It's ridiculously annoying and juvenile which is surely why they do it. Yes, FIFA looked into sanctioning Mexico for this on the basis that it is homophobic. Mexicans and Spanish speakers in general have plenty of ways to verbalize their homophobia but I must say that puto is not one of them. It's the male version of puta, whore, which can also be used as a sort of stand-alone expression of emphasis, dismay or disappointment. But puto is more like asshole than anything and it really doesn't have any homosexual connotations to any native Spanish speaker I know.

Which is too bad because I would love to see FIFA sanction Mexico, more than the referees already have, I mean.

"Puto", as used as slang from the Spanish speakers I grew up around, essentially means "pussy".  Not "pussy" as in "vagina", but as in questioning one's manhood like "don't be such a pussy".  It was not particularly homophobic, from what I remember, though it could certainly be taken that way, I suppose.
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« Reply #104 on: June 24, 2014, 09:20:05 am »
"Puto", as used as slang from the Spanish speakers I grew up around, essentially means "pussy".  Not "pussy" as in "vagina", but as in questioning one's manhood like "don't be such a pussy".  It was not particularly homophobic, from what I remember, though it could certainly be taken that way, I suppose.

Isn't "hijo de puta" the equivalent of "son of a bitch?"
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« Reply #105 on: June 24, 2014, 09:35:31 am »
Isn't "hijo de puta" the equivalent of "son of a bitch?"

Son of a whore where I come from.

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« Reply #106 on: June 24, 2014, 09:55:17 am »
People around here curse all the time but very seldom AT someone. About the only option and certainly the thing that will be most offensive is hijueputa. People get really worked up when you call them that it turns out.

There are lots of other off color insults but most of them can be used in a jocular way and are generally not meant to be all that offensive. Many of them such as juevón or the particularly Panamanian awebao are testicularly referencial which I suppose is natural in a culture that has such a preoccupation with gay-based insults.
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« Reply #107 on: June 24, 2014, 09:57:58 am »
Isn't "hijo de puta" the equivalent of "son of a bitch?"

Yeah, "puta" literally means "whore" (and "puto" would be the male equivalent), but it's often used in the same way we'd say "bitch".  Slang doesn't always translate directly.  For example, in Spanish, they'd refer to a guy getting kicked in the "juevos", while we'd say "nuts".  Neither literally means "testicles", but colloquially they mean the same thing in that context.
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« Reply #108 on: June 24, 2014, 10:06:01 am »
I went to school with a weird group of guys one of whom was from Juarez, one of whom was from Zaire, one was Spanish and one was Italian. They would speak in Spanish and call each other 'puto' all day long.

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« Reply #109 on: June 24, 2014, 11:10:51 am »
I went to school with a weird group of guys one of whom was from Juarez, one of whom was from Zaire, one was Spanish and one was Italian. They would speak in Spanish and call each other 'puto' all day long.

Among friends and family it is kind of a kidding term of endearment at least in South Texas.

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« Reply #110 on: June 24, 2014, 11:16:23 am »
Yeah, "puta" literally means "whore" (and "puto" would be the male equivalent), but it's often used in the same way we'd say "bitch".  Slang doesn't always translate directly.  For example, in Spanish, they'd refer to a guy getting kicked in the "juevos", while we'd say "nuts".  Neither literally means "testicles", but colloquially they mean the same thing in that context.

My Wife and her family are all from Buenas Aries.  My mother-in-law (do not call her suegra) gave me a list of proper soccer curses:

Puta que te pario

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« Reply #111 on: June 24, 2014, 12:48:39 pm »
How do you say "don't bite me creepy-ass motherfucker?"
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« Reply #112 on: June 24, 2014, 12:59:04 pm »
WTF kind of sport is this? Mike Tyson is the craziest motherfucker in the history of American sports and he only bit one dude once.
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« Reply #113 on: June 24, 2014, 01:16:23 pm »
WTF kind of sport is this? Mike Tyson is the craziest motherfucker in the history of American sports and he only bit one dude once.

Actually, he bit Holyfield twice in that fight. 
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« Reply #114 on: June 24, 2014, 01:21:11 pm »
Suarez bites in gifs and pictures:  http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/06/luis-suarez-bite-italy-uruguay-world-cup

The one where he's holding his teeth in pain is my favorite.  Even his teeth tried to flop.
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« Reply #115 on: June 24, 2014, 01:22:00 pm »
Actually, he bit Holyfield twice in that fight. 

Great point, had totally forgotten. In that case, carry on Suarez.
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« Reply #116 on: June 24, 2014, 01:43:01 pm »
Great point, had totally forgotten. In that case, carry on Suarez.

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« Reply #117 on: June 24, 2014, 01:50:33 pm »
Suarez bites in gifs and pictures:  http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/06/luis-suarez-bite-italy-uruguay-world-cup

The one where he's holding his teeth in pain is my favorite.  Even his teeth tried to flop.

That was today.  I think the defense is going to be that Cellini shoved his shoulder into Suarez' mouth when he reared back.  As fucked up as FIFA is, I bet they buy it.  Also, there's this crazy rule in soccer that, if the referee sees an event and takes no action (which we'll know once his match report is made public), then there can be no further/retroactive sanction.  Sooner or later someone is going to sue this prick for assault.

So Suarez gets to stay on the field and his team go on to score the winning goal a few minutes later.  Italy had already had a player sent off for a bad tackle that was a solid yellow but a harsh straight-red.  Oh, and Uruguay's goal was scored by Godin, who should have been suspended because he should have been sent off for his second bookable offense in the England game - a karate chop to the throat of Daniel Sturridge that stopped him running through onto goal (arguably a straight red in its own right).

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« Reply #118 on: June 24, 2014, 01:55:57 pm »
That was today.  I think the defense is going to be that Cellini shoved his shoulder into Suarez' mouth when he reared back.

The video is pretty clear that Suarez leaned over and bit Cellini on the shoulder.

  As fucked up as FIFA is, I bet they buy it. 

Probably.

Also, there's this crazy rule in soccer that, if the referee sees an event and takes no action (which we'll know once his match report is made public), then there can be no further/retroactive sanction. 

That rule is so dumb that I am actually in awe of it.
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« Reply #119 on: June 24, 2014, 02:01:54 pm »
The video is pretty clear that Suarez leaned over and bit Cellini on the shoulder.

Agreed.  I'm just positing what the defense might be.  I can't see any other explanation, other than Chellini planted the bite marks at half time and then enticed Suarez into making contact by lacing himself with irresistible Old Spice.
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« Reply #120 on: June 24, 2014, 02:18:48 pm »
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« Reply #121 on: June 24, 2014, 03:35:12 pm »
Brintain's puntastic tabloid daily, The Sun, has another classic:  "Chewy Luis"

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« Reply #122 on: June 24, 2014, 05:14:15 pm »
My eyes!  My eyes!  That has to be the most obnoxious website I've seen in a very long time.

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« Reply #123 on: June 24, 2014, 05:46:30 pm »
My eyes!  My eyes!  That has to be the most obnoxious website I've seen in a very long time.

You should see the print version - it's the one with tits on page 3.
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« Reply #124 on: June 24, 2014, 07:16:34 pm »
You should see the print version - it's the one with tits on page 3.

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« Reply #125 on: June 26, 2014, 09:29:11 am »
Suarez banned for four months from "soccer related activities" and fined 100,000 swiss francs.
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« Reply #126 on: June 26, 2014, 09:50:27 am »
also, the Ghana camp in in crisis, having averted a player boycott of today's game by delivering $3mm in cash to the players, they have sent two of their better starters home for "disciplinary reasons".

This is great for the US as any win by Ghana was likely to put them out.

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« Reply #127 on: June 26, 2014, 09:52:57 am »
Also, it's flooding in Recife where the US plays Germany today.  Game still a go, though.
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« Reply #128 on: June 26, 2014, 10:23:33 am »
Also, it's flooding in Recife where the US plays Germany today.  Game still a go, though.

My nephew is in Recife for the game.   Says the raining/floosding are making hard to get to the game.

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« Reply #129 on: June 26, 2014, 11:26:50 am »
Looks like Germany and USA are going to try to play this one.  At least for now...
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« Reply #130 on: June 26, 2014, 01:01:04 pm »
Looks like Germany and USA are going to try to play this one.  At least for now...

They didn't let up all game. 

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« Reply #131 on: June 26, 2014, 01:03:16 pm »
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« Reply #132 on: June 26, 2014, 01:10:45 pm »
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« Reply #133 on: June 26, 2014, 01:23:34 pm »
But damn if they don't make some great beer.

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« Reply #134 on: June 26, 2014, 01:26:53 pm »
But damn if they don't make some great beer.
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« Reply #135 on: June 26, 2014, 02:12:54 pm »
But damn if they don't make some great beer.

Stella on draft is a default beer for me (don't like it much out of a bottle, though).  Belgian white ales are deadly.
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« Reply #136 on: June 26, 2014, 02:27:29 pm »
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« Reply #137 on: June 26, 2014, 04:49:50 pm »
I am looking forward to the frenzy once twitter realizes that Marouane Fellaini looks vaguely like Jean-Ralphio.

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« Reply #138 on: June 26, 2014, 05:47:43 pm »
So the US lost to Portugal 2-2 and beat Germany 0-1?  Is that how soccer works?
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« Reply #139 on: June 26, 2014, 06:35:51 pm »
So the US lost to Portugal 2-2 and beat Germany 0-1?  Is that how soccer works?

I think the scores are usually pretty low.
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« Reply #140 on: June 26, 2014, 09:30:40 pm »
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« Reply #141 on: June 26, 2014, 09:48:11 pm »
Waffles suck. They are inferior to pancakes in every way.

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« Reply #142 on: June 27, 2014, 07:45:56 am »
Waffles suck. They are inferior to pancakes in every way.

I totally disagree.  Waffles are MUCH better at holding things like ice cream and strawberries.

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« Reply #143 on: June 27, 2014, 09:49:47 am »
I totally disagree.  Waffles are MUCH better at holding things like ice cream and strawberries.

No to mention all of the perfect little syrup cups built right in.  Waffles kick the ever loving shit out of pancakes. 

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« Reply #144 on: June 27, 2014, 09:58:21 am »
No to mention all of the perfect little syrup cups built right in.  Waffles kick the ever loving shit out of pancakes. 

You are wrong, I like pancakes better.
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« Reply #145 on: June 27, 2014, 10:01:43 am »
Using whipped cream, butter, and maple syrup as the condiments and fresh strawberries as a garnish, I like to take two pancakes and a waffle, and make a waffle sandwich with the pancakes. Sometimes I like to add a fried egg in between too, and some bacon.
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« Reply #146 on: June 27, 2014, 10:04:32 am »
I totally disagree.  Waffles are MUCH better at holding things like ice cream and strawberries.

No to mention all of the perfect little syrup cups built right in.  Waffles kick the ever loving shit out of pancakes. 

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« Reply #147 on: June 27, 2014, 10:10:23 am »
You are wrong, I like pancakes better.

My wife says BOTH of those things all the time. 

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« Reply #148 on: June 27, 2014, 10:12:50 am »
My wife says BOTH of those things all the time. 

My wife says the first alot, but when I make waffles or pancakes, there is no complaints.
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« Reply #149 on: June 27, 2014, 10:17:15 am »
Y'all ain't from here I reckon.

I am born, raised, and apart from one semester in Lafayette, LA, a lifelong Texas resident.  I am fat.  I like syrup.  Pancakes get way too mushy when you put a crapload of syrup on them, therefore I prefer waffles.  And, when not swimming in syrup, PB&J waffles are badass.

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« Reply #150 on: June 27, 2014, 10:19:52 am »
I am born, raised, and apart from one semester in Lafayette, LA, a lifelong Texas resident.  I am fat.  I like syrup.  Pancakes get way too mushy when you put a crapload of syrup on them, therefore I prefer waffles.  And, when not swimming in syrup, PB&J waffles are badass.

If you know how to control yourself, which apparently you don't, the right amount of syrup makes the pancake awesome and adds flavor to any bacon/sausage you are also eating. 
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« Reply #151 on: June 27, 2014, 10:22:00 am »
If you know how to control yourself, which apparently you don't, the right amount of syrup makes the pancake awesome and adds flavor to any bacon/sausage you are also eating. 

MMMM, bacon

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« Reply #152 on: June 27, 2014, 10:47:27 am »
Though I celebrate the entire range of breakfast foods, I dislike using more than a little syrup (too sticky), but do enjoy melting butter between each pancake layer. Pancakes also absorb egg-yolk better than waffles.

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« Reply #153 on: June 27, 2014, 11:02:17 am »
I am born, raised, and apart from one semester in Lafayette, LA, a lifelong Texas resident.  I am fat.  I like syrup.  Pancakes get way too mushy when you put a crapload of syrup on them, therefore I prefer waffles.  And, when not swimming in syrup, PB&J waffles are badass.

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« Reply #154 on: June 27, 2014, 11:03:11 am »
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« Reply #155 on: June 27, 2014, 11:04:09 am »
Go back to Belgium you walloon. 

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« Reply #156 on: June 27, 2014, 11:04:11 am »
Nothing is better than the center cut of the pancake where all the butter has pooled.
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« Reply #157 on: June 27, 2014, 11:04:42 am »
Using whipped cream, butter, and maple syrup as the condiments and fresh strawberries as a garnish, I like to take two pancakes and a waffle, and make a waffle sandwich with the pancakes. Sometimes I like to add a fried egg in between too, and some bacon.

I'm a fan of cooking a few strips of bacon about half way, and then putting them in the waffle iron on top of the batter so that that  after it cooks you end up with bacon embedded in the waffle.  Plus the waffle then soaks up the remaining grease so you don't really need syrup at that point.  Top with a couple of fried eggs.
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« Reply #158 on: June 27, 2014, 11:09:32 am »
I'm a fan of cooking a few strips of bacon about half way, and then putting them in the waffle iron on top of the batter so that that  after it cooks you end up with bacon embedded in the waffle.  Plus the waffle then soaks up the remaining grease so you don't really need syrup at that point.  Top with a couple of fried eggs.

BLASPHEMY!  Covering in syrup would put this dish into the stratosphere of breakfast creations!

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« Reply #159 on: June 27, 2014, 11:23:48 am »
If you know how to control yourself, which apparently you don't, the right amount of syrup makes the pancake awesome and adds flavor to any bacon/sausage you are also eating. 

Never been a maple syrup fan, too sweet.  I'l take a little blackstrap molasses.

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« Reply #160 on: June 27, 2014, 11:24:34 am »
I like Chicken n' Waffles.

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« Reply #161 on: June 27, 2014, 11:24:39 am »
I'm a fan of cooking a few strips of bacon about half way, and then putting them in the waffle iron on top of the batter so that that  after it cooks you end up with bacon embedded in the waffle.  Plus the waffle then soaks up the remaining grease so you don't really need syrup at that point.  Top with a couple of fried eggs.

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« Reply #162 on: June 27, 2014, 11:28:19 am »
Waffles suck. They are inferior to pancakes in every way.

Why are waffles "Belgian"?  In the same vein, why are certain types of muffin "English"?

They're just waffles and crumpets.
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« Reply #163 on: June 27, 2014, 11:28:51 am »
Using whipped cream, butter, and maple syrup as the condiments and fresh strawberries as a garnish, I like to take two pancakes and a waffle, and make a waffle sandwich with the pancakes. Sometimes I like to add a fried egg in between too, and some bacon.

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« Reply #164 on: June 27, 2014, 11:34:50 am »
Why are waffles "Belgian"?  In the same vein, why are certain types of muffin "English"?

They're just waffles and crumpets.

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« Reply #165 on: June 27, 2014, 11:36:57 am »
BLASPHEMY!  Covering in syrup would put this dish into the stratosphere of breakfast creations!

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« Reply #166 on: June 27, 2014, 11:37:39 am »
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« Reply #167 on: June 27, 2014, 11:49:08 am »
Why are waffles "Belgian"?  In the same vein, why are certain types of muffin "English"?

They're just waffles and crumpets.

"Belgian" waffles are a particular kind of waffle, made with a yeast batter, as opposed to a chemically leavened batter like what's used in pancakes.  The difference is almost like the difference between a yeast donut and a cake donut.  In Belgium, they are knows as "Brussels" style waffles.  They were first introduced to the US at the 1964 New York World's Fair, but since most Americans don't know where the fuck Brussels is, they were simply referred to as "Belgian" waffles. 

As for English muffins, it's to distinguish the savory type of muffin/crumpet that you English type eat, as opposed to the sweet, cake-like muffins we Colonists like to stuff in our faces.
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« Reply #168 on: June 27, 2014, 11:53:54 am »
What does one call people from Belgium?  Belgiamese?  Belges?  Help me out here. 

And pancakes are at there best when they get mushy with syrup. I'm pretty certain that I could cook bacon strips into pancakes, and then top with strawberry slices and maple syrup.
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« Reply #169 on: June 27, 2014, 12:06:44 pm »
What does one call people from Belgium?  Belgiamese?  Belges?  Help me out here. 

Waffles.
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« Reply #170 on: June 27, 2014, 12:14:04 pm »
Waffles.

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« Reply #172 on: June 27, 2014, 01:00:12 pm »
So Vincent Kompany might miss the match vs the US with an injury.  If so, that is a pretty big loss for the Red Devils.
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« Reply #173 on: June 27, 2014, 01:12:26 pm »
So Vincent Kompany might miss the match vs the US with an injury.  If so, that is a pretty big loss for the Red Devils.

What the hell does this have to do with waffles? Or pancakes?
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« Reply #174 on: June 27, 2014, 01:38:47 pm »
So Vincent Kompany might miss the match vs the US with an injury.  If so, that is a pretty big loss for the Red Devils.

Yes.  And Altidore may be back, at least on the bench.
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« Reply #175 on: June 27, 2014, 01:40:13 pm »
As for English muffins, it's to distinguish the savory type of muffin/crumpet that you English type eat, as opposed to the sweet, cake-like muffins we Colonists like to stuff in our faces.

We call those cake-like muffins...cakes.
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« Reply #176 on: June 27, 2014, 01:49:51 pm »
In Belgium, they are knows as "Brussels" style waffles.  They were first introduced to the US at the 1964 New York World's Fair, but since most Americans don't know where the fuck Brussels is, they were simply referred to as "Belgian" waffles. 

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« Reply #177 on: June 27, 2014, 01:58:20 pm »
And yet we're smart enough to know where Brussels sprouts come from. 

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« Reply #179 on: June 27, 2014, 02:24:55 pm »
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« Reply #181 on: June 27, 2014, 02:29:17 pm »
So Vincent Kompany might miss the match vs the US with an injury.  If so, that is a pretty big loss for the Red Devils.

That is huge for us. I hope it happens (not at all selfishly, as a Man City fan).

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« Reply #182 on: June 27, 2014, 03:35:50 pm »
We call those cake-like muffins...cakes.

See, there's your problem.
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Cookies are biscuits. Biscuits are muffins. Muffins are cakes. Cakes are....cakes.
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Cookies are biscuits. Biscuits are muffins. Muffins are cakes. Cakes are....cakes.

Exactly.  No wonder the French laugh at the English's baking skills.
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I think we can all agree that French toast blows.
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Cakes are....cakes.

Unless they're puddings.
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Unless they're puddings.

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« Reply #188 on: June 27, 2014, 06:33:02 pm »
Cookies are biscuits. Biscuits are muffins. Muffins are cakes. Cakes are....cakes.

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I think we can all agree that French toast blows.

You've never had proper French toast.
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« Reply #190 on: June 27, 2014, 07:14:24 pm »
You've never had proper French toast.

Make it with brioche some time. Revelatory.
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« Reply #191 on: June 27, 2014, 07:16:56 pm »
Make it with brioche some time. Revelatory.

Amen. The French toast is entirely dependent upon the bread. It's like saying that steak is no good when you've never used the right cut.
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« Reply #192 on: June 27, 2014, 07:17:56 pm »
Make it with brioche some time. Revelatory.
Same with a sour dough baguette.
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« Reply #193 on: June 28, 2014, 06:48:12 am »
And crepes, Ricky Bobby?  Do you love crepes?
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« Reply #196 on: June 28, 2014, 06:26:27 pm »
Brazil - Columbia should be a lot of fun.
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« Reply #197 on: June 28, 2014, 08:48:28 pm »
Brazil - Columbia should be a lot of fun.

Brazil seem like the ultimate front-runners. If they score first and everything is going well, they're fantastic. If they have to buckle down and actually work, they suck. I feel really bad for Chile, who seemed like they deserved the victory. I'm also reasonably confident that Columbia will make the sorry Brazil back line look like shit.
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So at the one-and-out level, do they face two teams, or only one?
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Brazil seem like the ultimate front-runners. If they score first and everything is going well, they're fantastic. If they have to buckle down and actually work, they suck. I feel really bad for Chile, who seemed like they deserved the victory. I'm also reasonably confident that Columbia will make the sorry Brazil back line look like shit.

+1.  I'll pick Columbia to beat Brazil later this week.

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« Reply #200 on: June 29, 2014, 02:18:28 am »
Spent a week in Belgium last month, great beer, nice folks.  Their infatuation with mayo on french fries though, disgusting.

Went to the Palm brewery, Wetmalle Abbey.  Drank in an organ museum, and a gym.  These people will drink beer anywhere. 

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« Reply #201 on: June 29, 2014, 12:09:48 pm »
That goal from Mexico has been coming all game.  Good for Concacaf.
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« Reply #202 on: June 29, 2014, 12:13:55 pm »
Spent a week in Belgium last month, great beer, nice folks.  Their infatuation with mayo on french fries though, disgusting.

Went to the Palm brewery, Wetmalle Abbey.  Drank in an organ museum, and a gym.  These people will drink beer anywhere. 

I am rooting for the Red Devils except on Tuesday,

When I read this the first time, and it said organ museum, I thought a museum for musical instruments.  When I just re-read it, I thought it was body parts.  Which was it?  Drinking beer in a body part museum seems a bit much even from the Phlegmish.
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« Reply #203 on: June 29, 2014, 01:01:13 pm »
Geez.  I feel bad for Mexico.  They were better.
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« Reply #204 on: June 29, 2014, 01:03:20 pm »
Geez.  I feel bad for Mexico.  They were better.

Yeah, but they started packing it in too early. That volley off of the corner was tremendous.
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« Reply #205 on: June 29, 2014, 01:04:33 pm »
I feel bad for Mexico.

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« Reply #206 on: June 29, 2014, 01:19:14 pm »
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« Reply #207 on: June 29, 2014, 01:24:29 pm »
Why does this sport reward the most ridiculous flopping?
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« Reply #208 on: June 29, 2014, 02:03:07 pm »
Why does this sport reward the most ridiculous flopping?
My thoughts too ... Robben is good enough he does not need to flop ... It seems like every time he was near the ball he took a dive and looked to the ref.  It finally worked for him.  Mexico really was the better team.
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Why does this sport reward the most ridiculous flopping?

Mostly its a consequence of having a low scoring sport. Anything that can lead to a goal can decide the game.

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The refs had been ignoring the flopping all game, Robben's as well as everyone else's. I think on the play in question the ref correctly called a foul and the enthusiastic role play was incidental.
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« Reply #211 on: June 29, 2014, 03:47:16 pm »
Mostly its a consequence of having a low scoring sport. Anything that can lead to a goal can decide the game.

That may explain why players flop... but I am not sure that was the question?
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« Reply #212 on: June 29, 2014, 04:32:23 pm »
The refs had been ignoring the flopping all game, Robben's as well as everyone else's. I think on the play in question the ref correctly called a foul and the enthusiastic role play was incidental.

Yeah.  With or without the flop, that was a foul.
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They went!

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Yeah.  With or without the flop, that was a foul.

Because two players going for a ball might have incidentally brushed the same blade of grass? 
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« Reply #216 on: June 29, 2014, 08:22:49 pm »
That may explain why players flop... but I am not sure that was the question?

Right. Flopping is rewarded. We've established that. My question is why?  And why on this stage?  This isn't some Sunday afternoon beer league friendly, it's a knockout game in the damn World Cup. And you decide it on THAT bullshit?
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Right. Flopping is rewarded. We've established that. My question is why?  And why on this stage?  This isn't some Sunday afternoon beer league friendly, it's a knockout game in the damn World Cup. And you decide it on THAT bullshit?

I'm not convinced that call was any worse than several important pass interference calls I've seen over the last few years in the NFL. The defender *did* catch Robben's foot on the play. And in spite of Robben's flopping rep, I think he got that call precisely because on at least a couple of other plays earlier in the game he played through fouls where he could have flopped but didn't, so when he went down the ref really believed it was significant.

If I had my way, the USMNT would earn a reputation for playing through even the roughest fouls, not going down unless physics and gravity insisted. But I imagine that would put them at a disadvantage against the likes of Brazil, so I don't really expect that to happen.
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« Reply #218 on: June 29, 2014, 09:18:28 pm »

If I had my way, the USMNT would earn a reputation for playing through even the roughest fouls, not going down unless physics and gravity insisted. But I imagine that would put them at a disadvantage against the likes of Brazil, so I don't really expect that to happen.

That is how Messi plays.  I've seen him fight through 3 or 4 fouls where he could have flopped but didn't.  Rarely is he looking for a foul, but rather is focused on scoring.  If the ref stops the game, fine, but otherwise play as hard as you can and look to score.
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« Reply #219 on: June 29, 2014, 09:33:20 pm »
I'm not convinced that call was any worse than several important pass interference calls I've seen over the last few years in the NFL. The defender *did* catch Robben's foot on the play. And in spite of Robben's flopping rep, I think he got that call precisely because on at least a couple of other plays earlier in the game he played through fouls where he could have flopped but didn't, so when he went down the ref really believed it was significant.

Today's call is the equivalent of a pass interference on a 60-yard Hail Mary with one second left, when the receiver and defender incidentally bumped into each other. In the Playoffs. It decided the match, and I can't stand it when the officials take the game away from the players and decide the game on their own.

As for flopping, in my world you don't extra credit for not doing it.

If it was makeup call, then the officials made two bad calls, which is even worse.

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« Reply #220 on: June 29, 2014, 09:39:54 pm »
Today's call was the correct call. I don't know anyone other than Piojo who doesn't think it was a foul.
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« Reply #221 on: June 29, 2014, 09:41:18 pm »
The BBC announcers mentioned that the refs will call a penalty if the defender's foot was planted firmly like it was on that play.

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« Reply #222 on: June 29, 2014, 10:16:44 pm »
Today's call was the correct call. I don't know anyone other than Piojo who doesn't think it was a foul.

If that was the correct call, then soccer is the worst sport ever imagined.
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« Reply #223 on: June 29, 2014, 10:46:03 pm »
We go through this every four years.
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« Reply #224 on: June 30, 2014, 01:24:28 am »
Today's call is the equivalent of a pass interference on a 60-yard Hail Mary with one second left, when the receiver and defender incidentally bumped into each other. In the Playoffs. It decided the match, and I can't stand it when the officials take the game away from the players and decide the game on their own.

As for flopping, in my world you don't extra credit for not doing it.

If it was makeup call, then the officials made two bad calls, which is even worse.


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« Reply #225 on: June 30, 2014, 09:49:16 am »
If that was the correct call, then soccer is the worst sport ever imagined.

Overall comment: I thought the Greeks were the biggest floppers in the Cup but the CR's gave them a run for their money yesterday. There were no Oscars handed out yesterday, the acting on both sides was infantile and embarrassing.
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« Reply #226 on: June 30, 2014, 09:50:55 am »
Overall comment: I thought the Greeks were the biggest floppers in the Cup but the CR's gave them a run for their money yesterday. There were no Oscars handed out yesterday, the acting on both sides was infantile and embarrassing.
IO disagree ... the Dutch were FAR worse than either Greece or Costa Rica and the Brazilians swept the oscars.
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« Reply #227 on: June 30, 2014, 10:26:58 am »
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It was in a town called Westerlo, and it was the mechanical instrument type.   Like this.

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About 22 De Koninck's into the night, with that creepy organ music blaring, and the Belgium's singing at the top of their lungs I had resigned myself to the fact that I was in the end of a yet to be produced horror movie.

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« Reply #228 on: June 30, 2014, 10:35:05 am »
Yeah.  With or without the flop, that was a foul.

I don't think so, but I also am convinced that the ref was reacting to the reaction, not to the incidental toe-to-toe contact.  Robben had run up a blind alley and lost the ball to the encircling Mexican defenders; flinging himself to the ground was - in his cheat-minded brain - the only option.  You can see him setting it up and already in mid-fling before the defender's foot makes contact.

There has been a debate brewing - outside of the ranks of FIFA, of course - to eliminate the "foul in the box is a penalty" rule.  This is combined with fixing the three-pronged punishment that results from a foul in the box on a player while trying to score; being a penalty, a red card* and a suspension.  Basically, the idea is that a foul while trying to score or breaking away to be in on goal - regardless of where it occurs on the pitch - is a penalty and a yellow card.  Any other foul is a foul and a free kick from the spot of the foul, even if it's in the box like Robben's pirouette yesterday.  Why do they get a penalty for that, while the same "foul" outside the box - but on a player streaking in to score - is not?

* The red card is for preventing an "obvious goal-scoring opportunity", but the offended team is also given a penalty, which is an obvious goal-scoring opportunity, so the offending player didn't prevent anything, yet is still sent to the showers.  Should be red if no pen but yellow only if a pen is given.


In the England-Uruguay game, for example, the Uruguayan captain, Godin, perpetrated two fouls that completely cock-blocked goal scoring opportunities for England.  The first was a blatant use of the hands that stopped the ball getting slipped past him and to the feet of an England player (can't remember which) who would have been clean in on goal.  It was outside the box, so it was a yellow and a free kick from which no goal came.  Minutes later , Godin clotheslined Sterling as he blew by him just outside the box.  In this case, a straight red was warranted but, while the foul was whistled, Godin got away without any further sanction (probably because the ref knew he'd booked him moments ago and didn't want to send him off this early in the game - bastard!).

Ignoring the refereeing inconsistencies, both of those infractions were far more injurious to the attacking side's opportunity to score than what happened to Robben.  A change of rule, that simply ignores the 18-yard box as the be-all, end-all definition of when a penalty can be awarded, ends this arbitrary practice of awarding penalties for fouls in non-threatening situations - like when a player is turning away from goal, as Robben was - and not for infractions that kill a goal-scoring opportunity before it gets into the box.  Even without a penalty award for a foul in the box, you still end up with a free kick in a very dangerous position, but one that is not so heavily weighted in favour of the attacking side when, prior to the foul/dive, no equivalent clear goal scoring opportunity existed.

In case you haven;t figured it out, I am a big fan of this proposal.  It is unlikely, of course, that I will see it in my lifetime.
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« Reply #229 on: June 30, 2014, 10:38:58 am »
That is how Messi plays.  I've seen him fight through 3 or 4 fouls where he could have flopped but didn't.  Rarely is he looking for a foul, but rather is focused on scoring.  If the ref stops the game, fine, but otherwise play as hard as you can and look to score.

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« Reply #230 on: June 30, 2014, 10:41:12 am »
If it was makeup call, then the officials made two bad calls, which is even worse.

Robben has admitted that he dived earlier in the game.  OK, so that was the make-up for the non-call in the first half, so there is no justification for wrongs making rights on that last minute nonsense.
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« Reply #231 on: June 30, 2014, 10:48:29 am »
Robben has admitted that he dived earlier in the game.  OK, so that was the make-up for the non-call in the first half, so there is no justification for wrongs making rights on that last minute nonsense.

Alos, just to add, Mexico have been on the wrong end of some terrible refereeing this tournament.  Had they simply been allowed to keep all of their legitimately scored goals, instead of having three (at least) called back for non-existent infractions, then they would have won their group and not have played Holland at all.  That pleasure would have fallen to Brazil, in a match that surely would have been dubbed "Swan Lake".
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« Reply #232 on: June 30, 2014, 11:04:44 am »
It was a foul, but it was a foul you shouldn't call in the situation. I'd say it's more comparable to basketball than football, though I suppose you could get ticky-tack in either sport.

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« Reply #233 on: June 30, 2014, 11:18:16 am »
There has been a debate brewing - outside of the ranks of FIFA, of course -

I've gathered if it's in any way fair and reasonable, FIFA wants nothing to do with it.
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« Reply #234 on: June 30, 2014, 11:20:04 am »
It was a foul, but it was a foul you shouldn't call in the situation. I'd say it's more comparable to basketball than football, though I suppose you could get ticky-tack in either sport.

It's like calling a flagrant technical foul on a half-court desperation shot with 0.3 seconds left because the defender's shoelace clipped the toe of the desperation shooter. 
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« Reply #235 on: June 30, 2014, 11:22:02 am »
Alos, just to add, Mexico have been on the wrong end of some terrible refereeing this tournament.  Had they simply been allowed to keep all of their legitimately scored goals, instead of having three (at least) called back for non-existent infractions, then they would have won their group and not have played Holland at all.  That pleasure would have fallen to Brazil, in a match that surely would have been dubbed "Swan Lake".

FIFA could never have let Brazil v. Netherlands happen at this stage. 
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« Reply #236 on: June 30, 2014, 12:12:26 pm »
I've gathered if it's in any way fair and reasonable, FIFA wants nothing to do with it.

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« Reply #237 on: June 30, 2014, 12:15:49 pm »
FIFA could never have let Brazil v. Netherlands happen at this stage. 

Meanwhile, after two Frenchie's avoided red cards for elbow-to-face confrontations in their last game against Ecuador, while an Ecuadorian got red-carded for a single, stern challenge, another Frenchie has today avoided a straight red for an ankle-breaking two-footed lunge that has seen a Super Eagle stretchered off (properly - he isn't coming back).

The President of FIFA is French, by the way.
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« Reply #238 on: June 30, 2014, 12:17:16 pm »
It's like calling a flagrant technical foul on a half-court desperation shot with 0.3 seconds left because the defender's shoelace clipped the toe of the desperation shooter. 

On FB, you likened FIFA to WWF/E...I think the NBA is a far better analogy.  Gifted athletes forced to play out the kabuki theater of a fixed tournament.
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« Reply #239 on: June 30, 2014, 12:19:28 pm »
USMNT has confirmed Altidore's availability for tomorrow's game against the French Wannabees/Don't Wannabees.
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« Reply #240 on: June 30, 2014, 12:31:32 pm »
Meanwhile, after two Frenchie's avoided red cards for elbow-to-face confrontations in their last game against Ecuador, while an Ecuadorian got red-carded for a single, stern challenge, another Frenchie has today avoided a straight red for an ankle-breaking two-footed lunge that has seen a Super Eagle stretchered off (properly - he isn't coming back).

The President of FIFA is French, by the way.

The French just had a break on goal that was foiled by a great save and excellent tracking-back by Victor Moses.  The French attack was sprung when a Frenchie stamped on the knee of Nigeria's influential midfielder, Ambrose, who has since limped off.  The Frenchie went unpunished, of course.
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« Reply #241 on: June 30, 2014, 06:25:25 pm »
USMNT has confirmed Altidore's availability for tomorrow's game against the French Wannabees/Don't Wannabees.

Start him and play him until his legs fall off and then sub him out. Company is likely to miss the match tomorrow so we need a big dude like Jozy up front.

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« Reply #242 on: June 30, 2014, 06:58:24 pm »
The French just had a break on goal that was foiled by a great save and excellent tracking-back by Victor Moses.  The French attack was sprung when a Frenchie stamped on the knee of Nigeria's influential midfielder, Ambrose, who has since limped off.  The Frenchie went unpunished, of course.
Yeah -- I watched both games and finally just got back from the pub.  That French game was perhaps the worst job of refereeing I have seen.  There should have been at least the reds you mentioned, and Nigeria probably should have won the game.

Algeria was not given any favors agains Germany, either, but nothing so obvious as the French nonsense.
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« Reply #243 on: June 30, 2014, 07:10:20 pm »
Yeah -- I watched both games and finally just got back from the pub.  That French game was perhaps the worst job of refereeing I have seen.  There should have been at least the reds you mentioned, and Nigeria probably should have won the game.

Algeria was not given any favors agains Germany, either, but nothing so obvious as the French nonsense.

Algeria screwed by France... hmmm, some things never change.
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« Reply #244 on: June 30, 2014, 07:44:53 pm »
Algeria screwed by France... hmmm, some things never change.

I was rather hoping for that matchup just to see how intense the feelings still are.
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« Reply #245 on: June 30, 2014, 07:48:51 pm »
I was rather hoping for that matchup just to see how intense the feelings still are.

I would have shown the Battle of Algiers in the locker room pregame

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« Reply #246 on: June 30, 2014, 07:51:00 pm »
On FB, you likened FIFA to WWF/E...I think the NBA is a far better analogy.  Gifted athletes forced to play out the kabuki theater of a fixed tournament.

More WWE than NBA I think.  In most sports, players will ham it up a little to make sure the ref (or ump) notices whatever it is...  The writhing on the floor in fake agony after the non-hit is what separates soccer from the rest.  There are a few extreme examples in all sports I expect but it seems to be a trade mark of the 'beautiful game'.  And to see such egregious examples on the world stage, the premier event... I don't like being a hater, if people like it and want to watch it, fine.  I don't think anyone should try to deny / defend the flopping though.
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« Reply #247 on: July 01, 2014, 09:32:45 am »
I would have shown the Battle of Algiers in the locker room pregame

Well the French may be showing this moment in advance of their quarter final match with Germany on Friday.

In the same tournament (1982) as the aforementioned shameful "fix" with Austria, Germany met France in the semi-final.  It went to penalties, which Germany won (natch) with their goalie, Harold Schumacher, making some pivotal saves to see his team through to the final (where they would lose 3-1 to Italy).  Of course, if you've watched the above video, you will realise that Schumacher should have been in jail, rather than between the posts, for the shoot-out after his outrageous physical assault on Battiston that left the Frenchman with damaged vertebrae, missing teeth and in a coma.

The referee signalled a goal kick and was ready to let the game continue with Battiston unconscious on the pitch.  It was the French players' pleadings the eventually forced him to stop the game to let Battiston be recovered.  In the replay from behind the goal, you can see the referee's perfect view of the whole thing.  Schumacher's actions are beyond words, but the referee's inactions are mindboggling to this day.
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« Reply #248 on: July 01, 2014, 02:04:51 pm »
Today's starting lineups:

Belgium: 1-Thibaut Courtois; 2-Toby Alderweireld, 4-Vincent Kompany, 15-Daniel Van Buyten, 5-Jan Vertonghen; 6-Axel Witsel, 8-Marouane Fellaini; 14-Dries Mertens, 10-Eden Hazard, 7-Kevin De Bruyne; 17-Divock Origi

United States: 1-Tim Howard; 3-Omar Gonzalez, 23-Fabian Johnson, 5-Matt Besler, 7-DaMarcus Beasley, 20-Geoff Cameron; 19-Graham Zusi, 11-Alejandro Bedoya, 4-Michael Bradley, 13-Jermaine Jones; 8-Clint Dempsey


So, Kompany's in for Belgium but they are without Vermaelen (hammy), while Altidore isn't starting for the US but is expected to be available off the bench.
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« Reply #249 on: July 01, 2014, 02:23:47 pm »
Today's starting lineups:

Belgium: 1-Thibaut Courtois; 2-Toby Alderweireld, 4-Vincent Kompany, 15-Daniel Van Buyten, 5-Jan Vertonghen; 6-Axel Witsel, 8-Marouane Fellaini; 14-Dries Mertens, 10-Eden Hazard, 7-Kevin De Bruyne; 17-Divock Origi

United States: 1-Tim Howard; 3-Omar Gonzalez, 23-Fabian Johnson, 5-Matt Besler, 7-DaMarcus Beasley, 20-Geoff Cameron; 19-Graham Zusi, 11-Alejandro Bedoya, 4-Michael Bradley, 13-Jermaine Jones; 8-Clint Dempsey


So, Kompany's in for Belgium but they are without Vermaelen (hammy), while Altidore isn't starting for the US but is expected to be available off the bench.

Wow!  They have starting lineups in soccer!  I am learning so much useful stuff!
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« Reply #250 on: July 01, 2014, 04:54:58 pm »
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« Reply #251 on: July 01, 2014, 05:07:41 pm »
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« Reply #252 on: July 01, 2014, 05:35:09 pm »
Some pretty remarkable chances at the end.  Valiant effort.
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« Reply #253 on: July 01, 2014, 05:48:30 pm »
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« Reply #254 on: July 01, 2014, 06:33:24 pm »
Thank god soccer is over for the next 4 years.
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« Reply #255 on: July 01, 2014, 08:33:38 pm »
Damn.  Great effort, but the better team won.  Now the douchbaegs (Anne Coulter and Keith Olberman)who wait four years to bitch about soccer can STFU. 
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« Reply #256 on: July 01, 2014, 08:34:28 pm »
It's only over for about 7 weeks.

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« Reply #257 on: July 01, 2014, 08:34:56 pm »
Damn.  Great effort, but the better team won.  Now the douchbaegs (Anne Coulter and Keith Olberman)who wait four years to bitch about soccer can STFU. 

Maybe a few people on this page of this thread, too.

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« Reply #258 on: July 01, 2014, 08:46:10 pm »
Maybe?
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« Reply #259 on: July 01, 2014, 09:04:52 pm »
Yeah, but I don't contribute as much as you so I'm trying to be diplomatic.

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« Reply #260 on: July 01, 2014, 09:06:10 pm »
Well played.  Im just in a super shitty mood.  Wont happen again for four years though.
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« Reply #261 on: July 01, 2014, 09:07:21 pm »
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« Reply #262 on: July 01, 2014, 11:33:13 pm »
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« Reply #263 on: July 02, 2014, 12:32:18 am »
Yeah, but I don't contribute as much as you so I'm trying to be diplomatic.

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« Reply #264 on: July 02, 2014, 07:48:27 am »
Sometimes diplomacy can entail telling people to go fuck themselves when they need to be told to go fuck themselves.

I thought diplomacy was the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they looked forward to the journey?
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« Reply #265 on: July 02, 2014, 08:23:30 am »
I thought diplomacy was the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they looked forward to the journey?

That's called salesmanship. Diplomacy is showing up with a gun in one hand and a sandwich in the other and asking which is preferred.
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« Reply #266 on: July 02, 2014, 08:25:15 am »
Don't tell anyone, but I like the way soccer shoots for 2 hour or maybe 2 and half hour max matches.

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« Reply #267 on: July 02, 2014, 08:35:57 am »
Don't tell anyone, but I like the way soccer shoots for 2 hour or maybe 2 and half hour max matches.

Completely agree, although you think they could afford a clock operator.
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« Reply #268 on: July 02, 2014, 08:51:40 am »
Completely agree, although you think they could afford a clock operator.

So they can become 3 to 3 and a half hour matches?
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« Reply #269 on: July 02, 2014, 08:53:30 am »
Completely agree, although you think they could afford a clock operator.

Did you not see the dude on the sidelines with the giant watch?  He was the one in the luminescent jersey with the stripe down his back to show where his spine would normally be.

PS  Can you imagine the tension of games pre-dude with the giant watch, where the only bloke who knew when the game would end was the referee in the middle?  Any close game would age you by about 5 years.
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« Reply #270 on: July 02, 2014, 09:05:18 am »
PPS  Stunning game.  Howard (obviously) was huge; Wondolowski owes him a year's worth of steak dinners.  Jermaine Jones frustrated the fuck out of me, because he gave headless chickens a bad name, but otherwise the whole team left their hearts, lungs and many other vital organs out on the field.

Omar Gonzales was the other standout for me.  I was especially worried after he turned his ankle; you can play on with that sort of thing (I know from personal experience x3) but, as soon as you stop, your ankle swells up like one of the Three Storms and you're done.  It also starts to hurt like a motherfucker.  With the break before extra time, I thought he'd be done, but he played on.  Kudos.  He was the reason that Howard didn't have to make eleventy-one saves on the night.

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« Reply #271 on: July 02, 2014, 09:18:08 am »
So they can become 3 to 3 and a half hour matches?

Why would simply posting the time remaining add an extra hour?
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« Reply #272 on: July 02, 2014, 09:36:37 am »
Why would simply posting the time remaining add an extra hour?

I think this is about the difference between having an NFL/NBA style play clock, where it's paused upon every game stoppage, vs. the soccer clock which keeps running regardless of what's happening (including, curiously, water breaks).  The soccer clock is meant to keep running for everything other than "unusual" breaks in play such as injuries, handbag fights etc.  So it's up to the referee on the field to keep track of when he (and he alone) decides when the clock if off.

If the clock was paused for every stoppage in play, the game would take 4 hours.
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« Reply #273 on: July 02, 2014, 09:41:26 am »
I think this is about the difference between having an NFL/NBA style play clock, where it's paused upon every game stoppage, vs. the soccer clock which keeps running regardless of what's happening (including, curiously, water breaks).  The soccer clock is meant to keep running for everything other than "unusual" breaks in play such as injuries, handbag fights etc.  So it's up to the referee on the field to keep track of when he (and he alone) decides when the clock if off.

If the clock was paused for every stoppage in play, the game would take 4 hours.

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« Reply #274 on: July 02, 2014, 09:43:14 am »
I think this is about the difference between having an NFL/NBA style play clock, where it's paused upon every game stoppage, vs. the soccer clock which keeps running regardless of what's happening (including, curiously, water breaks).  The soccer clock is meant to keep running for everything other than "unusual" breaks in play such as injuries, handbag fights etc.  So it's up to the referee on the field to keep track of when he (and he alone) decides when the clock if off.

If the clock was paused for every stoppage in play, the game would take 4 hours.

Agreed.  But the referee can still keep time and it be shown to the team and fans.  He stops the clock when he feels it's necessary and re-starts it when he's ready.  Even in the NFL/NBA, the clock operator doesn't stop and start the clock whenever he thinks he should, he only does it when the official tells him to.  This requires no extra time, only a big clock other than the official's watch.
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« Reply #275 on: July 02, 2014, 09:44:39 am »
The ref is coming up with the stoppage time he adds on somehow - if the clock operator just reflected that, you would know the time with no extension in the game.
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« Reply #276 on: July 02, 2014, 09:55:01 am »
PPS  Stunning game.  Howard (obviously) was huge; Wondolowski owes him a year's worth of steak dinners.  Jermaine Jones frustrated the fuck out of me, because he gave headless chickens a bad name, but otherwise the whole team left their hearts, lungs and many other vital organs out on the field.

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If only the England players gave a fraction of the shits that the US team did, they might actual win a game by accident.

I thought Yedlin was one to watch also.  He wasn't perfect, but he's still pretty young and probably learned a lot the last couple weeks.
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« Reply #277 on: July 02, 2014, 10:43:48 am »
The play of Yedlin and Green excite me about the future of USMNT.  The team in 4 years will look very different from the current roster.
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« Reply #278 on: July 02, 2014, 12:13:44 pm »
Well the good news for those of us who enjoy watching the USMNT, is the lead up to the next World Cup is gonna be pretty badass.

-Gold Cup next summer, with a spot in the 2017 Confederations Cup on the line.  (win and we go, lose and we have a 1 game playoff for the slot).
-2016 Copa Americas, in the United States! Followed by the Olympics, followed by the start of WC Qualifying
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« Reply #279 on: July 02, 2014, 01:31:12 pm »
The play of Yedlin and Green excite me about the future of USMNT.  The team in 4 years will look very different from the current roster.

That Green goal was very European and flat out badass.

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« Reply #280 on: July 02, 2014, 07:25:40 pm »
The play of Yedlin and Green excite me about the future of USMNT.  The team in 4 years will look very different from the current roster.

And Johnson. You begin to see the makings of a team that could actually put offensive pressure on the other side, as opposed to just the occasional counter.
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« Reply #281 on: July 02, 2014, 07:41:12 pm »
Thank god soccer is over for the next 4 years.

Amazingly, it hasn't been said yet:

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« Reply #282 on: July 02, 2014, 08:19:51 pm »
I believe that's the official motto of soccer
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« Reply #283 on: July 02, 2014, 10:50:46 pm »
Well the good news for those of us who enjoy watching the USMNT, is the lead up to the next World Cup is gonna be pretty badass.

-Gold Cup next summer, with a spot in the 2017 Confederations Cup on the line.  (win and we go, lose and we have a 1 game playoff for the slot).
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« Reply #284 on: July 03, 2014, 07:13:50 am »
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« Reply #285 on: July 03, 2014, 09:43:08 am »
Saw this on Shaggybevo... http://babb.telegraph.co.uk/2014/07/33-reasons-why-we-love-the-us-mens-soccer-team/

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« Reply #286 on: July 04, 2014, 07:51:59 pm »
Neymar may or may not actually be injured after that knee in the back, but that doesn't change the fact that he is a huge pussy. Brazil once again hangs on by the skin of their teeth. If it weren't for the fact that the German back line looks as sketchy as the Brazilian one, I'd be confidently picking a Germany victory on Tuesday.
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« Reply #287 on: July 04, 2014, 08:55:33 pm »
Neymar may or may not actually be injured after that knee in the back, but that doesn't change the fact that he is a huge pussy. Brazil once again hangs on by the skin of their teeth. If it weren't for the fact that the German back line looks as sketchy as the Brazilian one, I'd be confidently picking a Germany victory on Tuesday.

The Brazilian doctors are saying fractured vertabra. That was a pretty cynical shot he took.
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« Reply #288 on: July 04, 2014, 09:26:24 pm »
The Brazilian doctors are saying fractured vertabra. That was a pretty cynical shot he took.

I'm sorry to hear that he is genuinely injured, but I'm not convinced that was an intentional shot. Maybe it was.

With Silva and Neymar out against Germany, how will they line up? Will it just be "next man up" and their usual formation, or will they try something different? I have to think that Julio Cesar is a little bit worried.
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« Reply #289 on: July 05, 2014, 05:56:13 pm »
Tough result for Costa Rica, although the Dutch did pretty much have the run of the game. I doubt that people who haven't played the back line appreciate how difficult it is to play a high line the way Costa Rica does, and how much trust the players have to have in one another.
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« Reply #290 on: July 07, 2014, 09:24:45 am »
Tough result for Costa Rica, although the Dutch did pretty much have the run of the game. I doubt that people who haven't played the back line appreciate how difficult it is to play a high line the way Costa Rica does, and how much trust the players have to have in one another.

Sorry to see them go, too.  The Dutch have trouble beating anyone when Robben stays on his feet (which he did up until the 80th minute).

Meanwhile the Brazil-Colombia game was disgusting.  It was out of control within 10 minutes and, while Neymar's injury is extreme, something along those lines was inevitable.  The ref* let the Brazilians get away with some much abuse of the Colombians, notably James Rodriguez, that the Colombians were bound to exact some retribution in kind on Brazil's own golden boy.  I am not sure that this tournament is fixed in favour of Brazil, so much as the referees are so intimidated by the crowds that they dare not mete out fair punishment for Brazil's wholly unfair tactics.

* This was the same ref who failed to issue a straight red/second yellow to Uruguay's Godin, after he clotheslined England's Sterling as he tried to break past the Uruguayan into the penalty area onto a pass that would have had him clean in on goal, just minutes after Godin had been issued a yellow (in lieu of a straight red) for deliberately palming a pass from Sterling that would've set Rooney free in on goal.  The ref let the big/slow Uruguayan defense shove, hold, kick and manhandle England's speedy attack all game, and issued only one yellow card which was the aforementioned handball by Godin after 9 minutes.  Not that I'm bitter...**

** England were shit and would've done nothing in the round of 16 - just like Uruguay.
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« Reply #291 on: July 07, 2014, 09:29:47 am »
 The ref* let the Brazilians get away with some much abuse of the Colombians, notably James Rodriguez, that the Colombians were bound to exact some retribution in kind on Brazil's own golden boy.

And then gave James a yellow card for his first infraction of the game.

 I am not sure that this tournament is fixed in favour of Brazil, so much as the referees are so intimidated by the crowds that they dare not mete out fair punishment for Brazil's wholly unfair tactics.

We'll see what happens with the appeal of Silva's suspension. 
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« Reply #292 on: July 07, 2014, 09:44:39 am »
And then gave James a yellow card for his first infraction of the game.

The first card (on Silva) wasn't until the 64th minute, when this had been a hack-fest from minute one.  James' card was three minutes later.

Plus, the ref didn't red card Caesar for up-ending a Colombian as he ran in on goal.  Now, I don't agree with the rule that he has to send the offending player off in such circumstances, but that is the rule and he didn't abide by it.  This ref was interpreting the rules to his own design all tournament, which is fucking annoying if you're on the wong end of it.


We'll see what happens with the appeal of Silva's suspension. 

If it's overturned - bearing in mind that in any other game Silva would've been sent off for a second yellow before halftime - then you know you don't need to worry about who's going to win.

In related news, I have read that FIFA has appointed the referee for the final - being the representative from Qatar.  If true, part of a PR effort to make Qatar look legit, or part of the package that Qatar bought when they paid for the 2022 finals?
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« Reply #293 on: July 07, 2014, 09:51:44 am »
I have read that FIFA has appointed the referee for the final - being the representative from Qatar.  If true, part of a PR effort to make Qatar look legit, or part of the package that Qatar bought when they paid for the 2022 finals?

Given the nature of their bid, and the fact that FIFA has never given two shits about legitimacy, it's the latter.
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« Reply #294 on: July 07, 2014, 10:04:50 am »
Meanwhile the Brazil-Colombia game was disgusting.  It was out of control within 10 minutes and, while Neymar's injury is extreme, something along those lines was inevitable.  The ref* let the Brazilians get away with some much abuse of the Colombians, notably James Rodriguez, that the Colombians were bound to exact some retribution in kind on Brazil's own golden boy.

Neymar is hands down the biggest pussy in the history of sport. 
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« Reply #295 on: July 07, 2014, 10:18:16 am »
If true, part of a PR effort to make Qatar look legit, or part of the package that Qatar bought when they paid for the 2022 finals?

What's the benefit of having a referee from one's country work the final?  Is it just a prestige thing?
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« Reply #296 on: July 07, 2014, 10:19:14 am »
Neymar is hands down the biggest pussy in the history of sport. 

I called to Mrs Limey to come and see a football player actually injured.  I did not believe a word of it until they said he'd been taken to hospital for x-rays, assuming all along that it was part of Brazil's intricate time-wasting strategy (it took about 5 minutes to get Colombia's penalty taken).
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« Reply #297 on: July 07, 2014, 10:54:19 am »
I called to Mrs Limey to come and see a football player actually injured.  I did not believe a word of it until they said he'd been taken to hospital for x-rays, assuming all along that it was part of Brazil's intricate time-wasting strategy (it took about 5 minutes to get Colombia's penalty taken).

If he is actually injured, he's an even bigger pussy than I thought. 
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« Reply #298 on: July 07, 2014, 11:04:28 am »
If he is actually injured, he's an even bigger pussy than I thought. 

He has a fractured vertebrae.
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« Reply #299 on: July 07, 2014, 11:16:53 am »
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

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« Reply #300 on: July 07, 2014, 11:44:28 am »
He has a fractured vertebrae.

Pussy.  He has, like, 12 other vertebrae that work just fine.
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« Reply #301 on: July 08, 2014, 04:57:02 am »
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Is that Latin for show me the fuckin' x-ray?
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« Reply #302 on: July 08, 2014, 08:39:30 am »
Is that Latin for show me the fuckin' x-ray?

It's Latin for "your vertebrae are pussies too".
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« Reply #303 on: July 08, 2014, 03:24:57 pm »
Well, well. that Silva silliness is really gonna bite Brazil in the ass.
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« Reply #304 on: July 08, 2014, 03:36:23 pm »
Holy shit, Brazil.  Did someone tell them a different start time for the game?
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« Reply #305 on: July 08, 2014, 03:37:11 pm »
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« Reply #306 on: July 08, 2014, 03:44:41 pm »
I thought nobody ever scored in soccer?
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« Reply #308 on: July 08, 2014, 04:50:26 pm »
I see you, and I raise.

That's awesome, but they still need to add a couple more goals.

Brazil is getting waxed.  What a blowout.  This is nuts.
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« Reply #309 on: July 08, 2014, 05:40:21 pm »
That's awesome, but they still need to add a couple more goals.

The link has been updated.

Brazil is getting waxed.  What a blowout.  This is nuts.

The Guardian called it "death by a thousand side-foots".  6 simple tap-ins is abysmal defending.  Main culprit, David Luiz, has recently penned an eleventy-million dollar move from Chelsea to PSG.  The Sports Bible posted a photo of people dumpster-diving, claiming that it was PSG execs looking for the receipt.

Brazil were never as good as the hype, and had the rub of the refs plus the roar of the crowd.  Silva was their one decent defender and, with him gone and the pressure on David Luiz to be a leader, they totally capitulated.

I believe the street riots are already well under way, having started at around half time.
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« Reply #310 on: July 08, 2014, 05:41:45 pm »
Perspective:  Brazil have not lost a competitive game in Brazil since 1975; a span that encompasses 62 games.  62!
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« Reply #311 on: July 08, 2014, 06:07:31 pm »
The Guardian called it "death by a thousand side-foots".  6 simple tap-ins is abysmal defending.  Main culprit, David Luiz, has recently penned an eleventy-million dollar move from Chelsea to PSG.  The Sports Bible posted a photo of people dumpster-diving, claiming that it was PSG execs looking for the receipt.

Brazil were never as good as the hype, and had the rub of the refs plus the roar of the crowd.  Silva was their one decent defender and, with him gone and the pressure on David Luiz to be a leader, they totally capitulated.

I believe the street riots are already well under way, having started at around half time.

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« Reply #312 on: July 08, 2014, 09:13:43 pm »
Perspective:  Brazil have not lost a competitive game in Brazil since 1975; a span that encompasses 62 games.  62!
Still true.  That was definitely NOT a competitive game.  Wow.  Auf geht's Deutschland!
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« Reply #313 on: July 08, 2014, 09:48:22 pm »
Still true.  That was definitely NOT a competitive game.  Wow.  Auf geht's Deutschland!

I wish I could take credit for it, but...

Man, Brazil did Nazi that coming.
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« Reply #314 on: July 08, 2014, 10:08:55 pm »
I wish I could take credit for it, but...

Man, Brazil did Nazi that coming.

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« Reply #315 on: July 08, 2014, 10:10:52 pm »
Grossman's last hit was June 9th.  And he's hitting 2nd. 
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« Reply #316 on: July 08, 2014, 10:14:33 pm »
Grossman's last hit was June 9th.  And he's hitting 2nd. 

So I guess he'll start in the third place game?
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« Reply #317 on: July 08, 2014, 10:15:23 pm »
WTF?  How'd that get in here...
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« Reply #318 on: July 08, 2014, 11:40:51 pm »
I wish I could take credit for it, but...

Man, Brazil did Nazi that coming.

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« Reply #319 on: July 09, 2014, 12:17:48 am »
At about the 20 minute mark, Metallica's "Blitzkrieg" started running through my brain.

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« Reply #320 on: July 09, 2014, 08:17:36 am »
The Ramones were the order of the day in my circle.

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« Reply #321 on: July 09, 2014, 08:32:15 am »
The French soccer team are probably going to soon announce their plans to forfeit their next friendly with Germany.
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« Reply #322 on: July 09, 2014, 09:44:24 am »
The French soccer team are probably going to soon announce their plans to forfeit their next friendly with Germany.

So, no change there then.
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« Reply #323 on: July 09, 2014, 10:33:09 am »
The French soccer team are probably going to soon announce their plans to forfeit their next friendly with Germany.

Actually, players from the northern part of the country are being forced into early retirement, while players from the southern part are joining the German practice squad.
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« Reply #324 on: July 09, 2014, 01:30:36 pm »
I wish I could take credit for it, but...

Man, Brazil did Nazi that coming.

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« Reply #326 on: July 10, 2014, 09:12:18 am »
Actually, players from the northern part of the country are being forced into early retirement, while players from the southern part are joining the German practice squad.
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« Reply #327 on: July 12, 2014, 03:07:24 pm »
Hilarious: not even 2 minutes in and Silva hauls down Robben from behind for a penalty, which van Persie converts. Somehow, Silva didn't get a red card for one of the more blatant goal-denying fouls you'll ever see. Brazilian fans in full-on mutiny now.
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« Reply #328 on: July 12, 2014, 03:19:17 pm »
I think Frank Bush is in charge of the Brazilian defense.
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« Reply #329 on: July 12, 2014, 03:50:55 pm »
I'm guessing that Scolari will not be invited back.
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« Reply #330 on: July 12, 2014, 03:55:16 pm »
I'm guessing that Scolari will not be invited back.

They can choose whatever coach they like but until they find some better players their future is what we're observing.
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« Reply #331 on: July 13, 2014, 04:37:53 pm »
Congrats to the Germans...

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« Reply #332 on: July 13, 2014, 07:21:30 pm »
The best team in the world won.  Congrats Germany.
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« Reply #333 on: July 14, 2014, 08:47:39 am »
The best team in the world won.  Congrats Germany.

Agreed.  It’s almost like Germany took a step back a few years ago, thought about where it was going wrong for them, laid down some plans as how to correct this, invested in youth football, provided plenty of education for coaches of all ages throughout the country and developed a team-ethic as well as the sort of tactics that don’t just involve hogging the ball in your own half or mindlessly lumping it into the box.

Meanwhile, the death throes of tiki taka continue.  Argentina scored as many goals in the whole tournament as Germany did against Brazil.  I was very happy to see the Germans prevail, because [soccer hipster alert] I was bored to death with Barcelona's / Spain's tactics years ago*.  Germany (as do many club sides in the Premier League) have proved that purposeful possession is far more effective than mere possession.

* I have been bored/annoyed/disgusted with England's tactics for much, much longer.
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« Reply #334 on: July 14, 2014, 08:48:00 am »
I'm guessing that Scolari will not be invited back.

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« Reply #335 on: July 14, 2014, 09:02:07 am »
They can choose whatever coach they like but until they find some better players their future is what we're observing.

Scolari has been a highly successful coach.  However, his last two forays into national team management have been disgusting.  His Portugal team were the worst examples of niggling, fouling, cheating, diving, conniving, moaning and whinging that I have ever seen (yes, I am aware of the existence of Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea).  It was coupled with enough flair (Ronaldo in his full pomp being a big part of it) so that they would win; but you hated them for it.

This Brazil side were the same...but with the barest shred of flair (Neymar).  You'd think that Scolari could've walked down to Copacabana beach, thrown a stick, and hit a dozen strikers better than Fred, for example, yet he kept getting to play even before Neymar's back-knack.  This team just hacked and flopped their way into the semis, possibly with FIFA's foul-smelling wind at their backs, only to be undressed by Germany in an 8-minute spell of a training ground passing exercise (seriously, take a look at this video, where someone has edited out the Brazilian players - it really looks like Germany were playing against no one).  Scolari didn't even have a coherent defensive plan and even less strategy for offense.

So well done Germany.  And here's to the next World Cup when they will defend their title (losing to Russia, of course) against exciting teams from Colombia, Costa Rica, Mexico and...yes...USA!  Here's also hoping that the likes of England, Holland (Brazil, but with better diving/defense), Spain, Portugal, Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil sort their shit out by then.
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« Reply #336 on: July 14, 2014, 11:09:08 am »
So one oddity that I heard while watching the last 15 minutes of that game...  This was the first time a European country has won the WC in the Americas.   I'm not enough of a futbol fan to look up the veracity of that statement but that seems kind of odd. 

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« Reply #337 on: July 14, 2014, 11:22:29 am »
So one oddity that I heard while watching the last 15 minutes of that game...  This was the first time a European country has won the WC in the Americas.   I'm not enough of a futbol fan to look up the veracity of that statement but that seems kind of odd. 

Totally true.  Also of note, Brazil is the only team from the Americas to have won in Europe (in Sweden in 1958 - some 18-year old called Pele scored twice in the final).
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