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Harrell to the pen
« on: July 07, 2013, 02:49:20 pm »
Astros County, via a tweet from Smith, reports that Harrell is going to the pen. 

Maybe they had seen enough of his attitude.
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2013, 02:50:35 pm »
Quote from: jbm on July 07, 2013, 02:49:20 pm
Astros County, via a tweet from Smith, reports that Harrell is going to the pen. 

Maybe they had seen enough of his attitude.

Oh, good. Because the bullpen doesn't fuck things up enough already.
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2013, 02:59:40 pm »
Do we know who gets his rotations spot? Oberholtzer?
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2013, 03:02:12 pm »
They have some days off coming up.  Maybe they are just skipping a turn. 
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2013, 03:56:56 pm »
Quote from: jbm on July 07, 2013, 03:02:12 pm
They have some days off coming up.  Maybe they are just skipping a turn. 

That sounds more like it.
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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2013, 05:59:47 pm »
i dont know . stranger things have happened.
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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2013, 07:57:49 pm »
Here is the Chron general article: Astros’ Lucas Harrell moved to bullpen indefinitely

And a further 'transcript' of the interview via the Chron: ‘Shocked’ Lucas Harrell discusses move to bullpen, future with Astros
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2013, 09:10:21 pm »
In the second article, he never appears to own his failures: I'm shocked, Felix and I are tied in dominant starts, they want their own guys, they haven't relayed much to me, etc.

He didn't once mention his poor performance or his propensity to blame everything but himself.  Sounds as if Porter wanted him to react in a completely different way than he has, and the next step might be trade him for next to nothing or just release him.
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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2013, 09:13:53 pm »
in other words standard operating procedure
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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2013, 09:54:20 pm »
Quote from: jbm on July 07, 2013, 09:10:21 pm
In the second article, he never appears to own his failures: I'm shocked, Felix and I are tied in dominant starts, they want their own guys, they haven't relayed much to me, etc.

He didn't once mention his poor performance or his propensity to blame everything but himself.  Sounds as if Porter wanted him to react in a completely different way than he has, and the next step might be trade him for next to nothing or just release him.


I agree. Someone who is pitching to a 5.04 ERA, 1.61 WHIP and a .281 BAA has some room for improvement. It sounds like the guy who fed him that statistic that he allegedly shares with King Felix was just stirring the shit pot. I'd trade or release him right now. He's not going to even try in the bully.
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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2013, 10:22:59 am »
Quote from: jbm on July 07, 2013, 09:10:21 pm
In the second article, he never appears to own his failures: I'm shocked, Felix and I are tied in dominant starts, they want their own guys, they haven't relayed much to me, etc.

He didn't once mention his poor performance or his propensity to blame everything but himself.  Sounds as if Porter wanted him to react in a completely different way than he has, and the next step might be trade him for next to nothing or just release him.


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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2013, 10:34:53 am »
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Head. Case.

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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2013, 10:40:23 am »
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I thought I was reading Tim Redding.

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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2013, 10:51:48 am »
It would be nice if Lucas could get his head out of his ass and look in the fucking mirror, as Ed Wade would say. I actually think he could be a pretty good closer - maybe channel his rage and intensity a bit, add a mph or two to his sinker, walk the bases loaded before finally getting the game-ending DP; you know, like all good Astro closers.
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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2013, 11:40:02 am »
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« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2013, 11:47:36 am »
You're thinking of Kenny Powers.
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« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2013, 12:38:06 pm »
Quote from: Reuben on July 08, 2013, 10:51:48 am
It would be nice if Lucas could get his head out of his ass and look in the fucking mirror, as Ed Wade would say. I actually think he could be a pretty good closer - maybe channel his rage and intensity a bit, add a mph or two to his sinker, walk the bases loaded before finally getting the game-ending DP; you know, like all good Astro closers.

I'm inclined to agree with you. I've seen him hit 95 with his heater. However, he's got to cut down on the free passes. It'll be interesting to see how Porter uses him out in the bully, particularly after his comments.
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« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2013, 12:46:48 pm »
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« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2013, 10:20:14 pm »
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Biggest headcase: Harrell/Powers/Holt/Redding?  Who's the 5th starter?
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« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2013, 10:24:29 pm »
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« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2013, 10:34:35 pm »
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Indeed!

Biggest headcase: Harrell/Powers/Holt/Redding?  Who's the 5th starter?
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« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2013, 07:39:20 am »
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Indeed!

Biggest headcase: Harrell/Powers/Holt/Redding?  Who's the 5th starter?

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« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2013, 08:48:07 am »
Jose Lima. 
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« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2013, 09:12:17 am »
Clemens. Not that it impaired his pitching much.
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« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2013, 10:24:53 am »
I'll not link it here, but JdJO has a piece on Harrell today that appears to be pretty accurate about him being immature and stubborn. A scout was quoted too. It might be that Harrell let his marginal success last season make him believe that he was a big leaguer who didn't need any coaching. That's usually when you need coaching the most in my experience, having rebelled against coaches myself. Harrell would do well to STFU and come out throwing gas from the bully.
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« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2013, 10:29:13 am »
Sounds like Harrell is more of a whiner than Norris.
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« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2013, 10:35:42 am »
Quote from: Mr. Happy on July 09, 2013, 10:24:53 am
I'll not link it here, but JdJO has a piece on Harrell today that appears to be pretty accurate about him being immature and stubborn. A scout was quoted too. It might be that Harrell let his marginal success last season make him believe that he was a big leaguer who didn't need any coaching. That's usually when you need coaching the most in my experience, having rebelled against coaches myself. Harrell would do well to STFU and come out throwing gas from the bully.

I read that yesterday and upon seeing who authored it immediately thought maybe Harrell is being vilified for some immature comments he made when his head wasn't in the right place. Should he have kept his mouth shut? Certainly. Does that make him a bad person or some kind of a pariah? I don't think so. As always fuck JdJO.
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« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2013, 10:38:00 am »
isnt there a possibility of the whole team making immature remarks
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« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2013, 11:07:54 am »
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I'll not link it here, but JdJO has a piece on Harrell today that appears to be pretty accurate

Well that changes everything.
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« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2013, 11:15:52 am »
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« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2013, 11:41:46 am »
Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on July 09, 2013, 10:35:42 am
I read that yesterday and upon seeing who authored it immediately thought maybe Harrell is being vilified for some immature comments he made when his head wasn't in the right place. Should he have kept his mouth shut? Certainly. Does that make him a bad person or some kind of a pariah? I don't think so. As always fuck JdJO.

I haven't read it, nor will I... but... Harrell has been mouthing off to the press quote a bit this season, and my general take on him is pretty much what Happy's was.
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« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2013, 12:30:10 pm »
Maybe (My Name is) Asher Woj will make Harrell irrelevant - at least as far as the starting rotation is concerned.
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« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2013, 01:27:22 pm »
Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on July 09, 2013, 10:35:42 am
I read that yesterday and upon seeing who authored it immediately thought maybe Harrell is being vilified for some immature comments he made when his head wasn't in the right place. Should he have kept his mouth shut? Certainly. Does that make him a bad person or some kind of a pariah? I don't think so. As always fuck JdJO.

He was quite public out on the mound when he disapproved of the infield shifts. I strongly suspect that the article is accurate. But fuck JdJO anyway. Old blind sow...
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« Reply #38 on: July 09, 2013, 09:41:25 pm »

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« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2013, 05:22:25 am »
The thought occurred to me last night during the game that, hopefully, Harrell will take advantage of the golden opportunity to listen to El Presidente down in the bully, who can give him some very wise words about how to act on the mound. That guy was a machine who was the consummate professional. The camera shot away to the bully early in the game, and Harrell and El Presidente were in fact talking. I take that as a good sign.
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« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2013, 01:02:35 am »
Quote from: Ron Brand on July 08, 2013, 10:24:29 pm
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1B:
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SS:
3B: Nevin
OF: Cesar Cedeno, Bell, C4
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« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2013, 01:46:24 am »
Quote from: Lefty on July 11, 2013, 01:02:35 am
So what would the Astros all-time all-headcase team look like?  Gonna need some help with the 60's-70's guys:

1B:
2B:
SS:
3B: Nevin
OF: Cesar Cedeno, Bell, C4
C: Meluskey

SP: Lima (2000 version), Joaquin Andujar, Redding, Juden?, ???
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Closer:  Wagner in a landslide
Joe Pepitone for 1B, Sonny Jackson or Dickie Thon for SS and maybe Tommy Helms for 2B. Some of those guys weren't really that much of head cases, but they sprang to mind as "free spirits".
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« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2013, 03:17:51 am »
Quote from: Lefty on July 11, 2013, 01:02:35 am
So what would the Astros all-time all-headcase team look like?  Gonna need some help with the 60's-70's guys:

1B:
2B:
SS:
3B: Nevin
OF: Cesar Cedeno, Bell, C4
C: Meluskey

SP: Lima (2000 version), Joaquin Andujar, Redding, Juden?, ???
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Closer:  Wagner in a landslide

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« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2013, 07:06:19 am »
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« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2013, 07:55:22 am »
Does Julio Lugo (2B/SS) qualify?
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« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2013, 07:55:53 am »
The pitching staff is not complete without chacon.  Also, any roster without Carl Everett is more bogus than that whole dinosaur myth.
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« Reply #46 on: July 11, 2013, 08:00:53 am »
Quote from: hostros7 on July 11, 2013, 07:55:53 am
The pitching staff is not complete without chacon.  Also, any roster without Carl Everett is more bogus than that whole dinosaur myth.

Everett is front and center on the list. 

Also, is this a list of true "head cases" or just people who are/were a little wacky in the head?  If the latter, there's no former Astro loonier than Luke Scott.
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« Reply #47 on: July 11, 2013, 08:12:16 am »
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Everett is front and center on the list. 

Also, is this a list of true "head cases" or just people who are/were a little wacky in the head?  If the latter, there's no former Astro loonier than Luke Scott.

I don't remember C4 being much of a headcase while he was here, though he certainly made up for it after the fact.  What I remember about Bell was his freaking out about not batting 2nd in the lineup, or maybe batting 2nd in the lineup. 

Luke Scott's another who really came into his own after he left Houston.
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« Reply #48 on: July 11, 2013, 08:18:32 am »
I'd slot Burke at 2B, freeing up Lugo for SS.
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« Reply #49 on: July 11, 2013, 08:20:45 am »
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I'd slot Burke at 2B, freeing up Lugo for SS.

Even on this list someone was blocking Burke.
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« Reply #50 on: July 11, 2013, 09:09:48 am »
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Even on this list someone was blocking Burke.

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« Reply #51 on: July 11, 2013, 09:22:16 am »
If the head case category includes free spirit, then the Red Rooster goes to the top of the list. I don't think anybody in Astros' history was screwier than Rader. John Bateman and Turk Farrell deserve mention.
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Re: Harrell to the pen
« Reply #52 on: July 11, 2013, 09:24:55 am »
No love for Joaquin Andujar?
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« Reply #53 on: July 11, 2013, 09:25:20 am »
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« Reply #54 on: July 11, 2013, 09:50:01 am »
Terry Collins is the manager.
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« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2013, 09:53:37 am »
Ensberg's bat should be the DH.
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« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2013, 10:11:36 am »
Mark Lemongello - bat shit crazy.
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« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2013, 10:43:19 am »
Valverde was quite a character. And wasn't Mitch Williams an Astro for a little while?
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« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2013, 10:44:01 am »
Quote from: Reuben on July 11, 2013, 10:43:19 am
Valverde was quite a character. And wasn't Mitch Williams an Astro for a little while?

yep.

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Re: Harrell to the pen
« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2013, 11:00:27 am »
The list kinda falls off after these guys, unless you want to get into the Don Wilson / Ken Caminiti types of players.
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« Reply #60 on: July 11, 2013, 11:06:38 am »
Did someone already mention Candaele? I mean, just in terms of nutty kooks he'd have to rank pretty high.
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Re: Harrell to the pen
« Reply #61 on: July 11, 2013, 11:25:46 am »
Quote from: Reuben on July 11, 2013, 10:43:19 am
Valverde was quite a character. And wasn't Mitch Williams an Astro for a little while?

Speaking of Mitch Williams...
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« Reply #62 on: July 11, 2013, 12:19:56 pm »
Quote from: Reuben on July 11, 2013, 11:06:38 am
Did someone already mention Candaele? I mean, just in terms of nutty kooks he'd have to rank pretty high.

I always thought Candaele was more of a "character"...a prankster who's favorite band was the Beat Farmers.  Is that really all that kooky?
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