Texans v. Vikings

[cougar]

Dick stepping, blah blah blah stupid 'neck coach, blah blah blah.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Not on TV in Central Texas.

[JaneDoe]

Dick stepping, blah blah blah stupid 'neck coach, blah blah blah.

More dick stepping....

[Savage]

Texans are going to stop Adrian Peterson... and lose this game.

[HudsonHawk]

Texans are going to stop Adrian Peterson... and lose this game.

Ponder is ripping them to shreds. THE single worst throwing QB in recent memory

[HudsonHawk]

And now with this last possession Kubiak has stomped his dick beyond all recognition.

[Andyzipp]

This isn't all on Kubiak.  The O-line is getting dominated and Schaub has his head squarely up his own ass.

[HudsonHawk]

This isn't all on Kubiak.  The O-line is getting dominated and Schaub has his head squarely up his own ass.

The dick stepping clock management and play calling is 100% on Kubiak.

[ybbodeus]

You have to possess a dick to step on it. This is dick envy at its most basic.

[chuck]

He's got a dick, just no balls.

[austro]

Thank goodness I can't watch this crap. I'd probably be throwing things at the TV. I'll content myself with pulling for the Saints over the Cowboys.

[Savage]

Thank goodness I can't watch this crap. I'd probably be throwing things at the TV. I'll content myself with pulling for the Saints over the Cowboys.

I had to turn it off. If they don't give a shit enough to show up, i'm certainly not wasting my time watching it.

[HudsonHawk]

How in the holy fuck do you not pound the ball four times there from the one? 

[ybbodeus]

How in the holy fuck do you not pound the ball four times there from the one? 

Maddening, no doubt. Chuck may have provided the insight on that a couple posts back.

[MusicMan]

And Kubiak pulls Schaub, conceding that he has no dick.

[Limey]

I was there.  Except for the opening "drive", the offense was booed off the field every possession.  Kubiak has no clue, but Shaub is an abject coward.   I hope there was an almighty blue on blue fight in the locker room today, because one half of this team is playing and one half is scared.  

And the Kubiak throws TJ in at the end to look bad to save his own arse, but Yates was this close to fucking him over good and proper with that scramble and throw.  

[HudsonHawk]

I was there.  Except for the opening "drive", the offense was booed off the field every possession.  Kubiak has no clue, but Shaub is an abject coward.   I hope there was an almighty blue on blue fight in the locker room today, because one half of this team is playing and one half is scared.  

I'm still here. Schaub has yet to play well in any "big game" in his career. He's glued to the field, he cannot extend plays and he gives himself up at the first sign of trouble. He may very well lead this team to the Super Bowl, but I can't understand anyone who expects he will.  They may get lucky now that Indy has secured the 5 seed and may rest some guys next week.

[Limey]

I'm still here. Schaub has yet to play well in any "big game" in his career. He's glued to the field, he cannot extend plays and he gives himself up at the first sign of trouble. He may very well lead this team to the Super Bowl, but I can't understand anyone who expects he will.  They may get lucky now that Indy has secured the 5 seed and may rest some guys next week.

Shaub doesn't want the ball.  He lobs it like a hand grenade to team mates, hoping that they can make a play.  He takes no responsibility.  I cannot stand him. 

[austro]

Joe Flacco o Matt Schaub: quien es mas macho?

[HudsonHawk]

Joe Flacco o Matt Schaub: quien es mas macho?

Oh I'd take Flacco every day and twice on Mondays.

[jbm]

Shaub sucked, but they all sucked today. Totally uninspired.  No one even got pissed on the sidelines.

[HudsonHawk]

Shaub sucked, but they all sucked today. Totally uninspired.  No one even got pissed on the sidelines.

No they didn't all suck. The defense played pretty well. Schaub has to get off his dick and lead this team. So far, he's not shown he's capable.

[Limey]

No they didn't all suck. The defense played pretty well. Schaub has to get off his dick and lead this team. So far, he's not shown he's capable.

The Texans were swooning out of the playoffs last year before Shaub got hurt and TJ took over.  The defense has kept this team alive longer this year, but Shaub is going to "lead" them to the #3 seed and a 1st round exit to a wild card team.  He is the most cowardly football player I have ever seen. 

[HudsonHawk]

The Texans were swooning out of the playoffs last year before Shaub got hurt and TJ took over.

I wouldn't go that far.  When Schaub went down, the Texans were 7-3, and had just reeled off four straight blowout wins.  Yates was 2-3 as a starter, winning 17-10 and 20-19.

He is the most cowardly football player I have ever seen. 

I don't know how cowardly he is, but for someone who is 6'5" 250 lbs and plays football in the NFL, he sure is soft and hates contact.  The fate of the Texans' season rests with him.  That's just the way playoff football works, like it or not.  I've seen nothing from Schaub that gives me optimism. 

[roadrunner]

Schaub is who he is.  He knows his limitations and plays to them well.  He's never going to make plays with his arm like Brady and he's never going to extend plays with his feet like Rodgers.  It sucks but this is what Kubes signed up for from the start.  We'll probably look back at these teams in 10 years and say "if only we had an elite qb", but so will 25 other teams.

I am worried about a one and done playoffs.  The penalties over the  last month have killed the team more than anything.  They are playing extremely sloppy on both sides of the ball (and especially special teams.  I would guess over 50% of our punt returns have resulted in a hold this season).  

Peaked at the wrong time, unfortunately.

[roadrunner]

Shaub sucked, but they all sucked today. Totally uninspired.  No one even got pissed on the sidelines.

My buddy sits in the second row behind the Texans bench.  He said he had never seen Kubiak and Schaub get so heated.  Apparently Kubiak ended up throwing the clipboard and Schaub chucked his Gatorade and stormed off.  Cameras didn't catch it, though.

[Limey]

My buddy sits in the second row behind the Texans bench.  He said he had never seen Kubiak and Schaub get so heated.  Apparently Kubiak ended up throwing the clipboard and Schaub chucked his Gatorade and stormed off.  Cameras didn't catch it, though.

Glad to know that this team is being run by grown-ups.

[HudsonHawk]

Schaub is who he is.  He knows his limitations and plays to them well.  He's never going to make plays with his arm like Brady and he's never going to extend plays with his feet like Rodgers.  It sucks but this is what Kubes signed up for from the start.  We'll probably look back at these teams in 10 years and say "if only we had an elite qb", but so will 25 other teams.

I am worried about a one and done playoffs.  The penalties over the  last month have killed the team more than anything.  They are playing extremely sloppy on both sides of the ball (and especially special teams.  I would guess over 50% of our punt returns have resulted in a hold this season).  

Peaked at the wrong time, unfortunately.

You're right. Schaub is who he is. And he's adequate for this type of offense. But he has to step up and lead it. When he's off, they cannot make up for it. He cannot extend plays and make "something out of nothing", but the QB *has* to drive this offense. That's how it's designed, that's how it operates.

[cougar]

Glad to know that this team is being run by grown-ups.

So if they don't react they're a bunch of emotionless drones, but if they do show some emotion they're a bunch of children.  Got it.

[Limey]

So if they don't react they're a bunch of emotionless drones, but if they do show some emotion they're a bunch of children.  Got it.

Acting like professionals would be preferred. 

[ybbodeus]

You're so strict!

[cougar]

Acting like professionals would be preferred. 

Would "throwing your drink in frustration" be more or less professional than Tom Brady screaming at his coach?

[Limey]

Would "throwing your drink in frustration" be more or less professional than Tom Brady screaming at his coach?

Who cares?

Point is, the Texans are melting down at the time of the season when they should be gearing up.  Petulant drink/clipboard throwing is unprofessional and unproductive.  The only person who defines that as "winning" is Charlie Sheen.

[roadrunner]

You're right. Schaub is who he is. And he's adequate for this type of offense. But he has to step up and lead it. When he's off, they cannot make up for it. He cannot extend plays and make "something out of nothing", but the QB *has* to drive this offense. That's how it's designed, that's how it operates.

Agreed.  He did it in Denver.  I think it's in him, but my confidence that we will see it in the playoffs is low.

[cougar]

Who cares?

Point is, the Texans are melting down at the time of the season when they should be gearing up.  Petulant drink/clipboard throwing is unprofessional and unproductive.  The only person who defines that as "winning" is Charlie Sheen.

I care because I'm trying to figure out what is "professional".  People aren't happy if the team doesn't show any emotion or just tries to go about it's business, because then the players "don't care" or some such bullshit.  But now if they show any frustration it's unprofessional.  I pointed out that Tom Brady exhibited what you would apparently see as unprofessional behavior, and yet he's done plenty of "winning".  Football is an emotional sport, and sometimes emotion will spill over, especially when things aren't going your way. 

As long as Schaub doesn't go Jay Cutler on us and whine every time something goes wrong, I would be willing to overlook the rare show of anger.

[jbm]

I'm not sure what I want to see, but desire (or just emotion) expressed in some form would be nice. 

I was sitting not far behind their bench.  I must have missed the Kubiak-Shaub episode.  Basically, the team's body language on the sidelines looked like the game was no big deal and their play was a mirror image. 

Now Shaub is talking about the playoff atmosphere expected in Indy this weekend.  Will they sleepwalk through this one also? 

[Limey]

I care because I'm trying to figure out what is "professional".  People aren't happy if the team doesn't show any emotion or just tries to go about it's business, because then the players "don't care" or some such bullshit.  But now if they show any frustration it's unprofessional.  I pointed out that Tom Brady exhibited what you would apparently see as unprofessional behavior, and yet he's done plenty of "winning".  Football is an emotional sport, and sometimes emotion will spill over, especially when things aren't going your way. 

As long as Schaub doesn't go Jay Cutler on us and whine every time something goes wrong, I would be willing to overlook the rare show of anger.

I'm not sure when the only options became Trappist monk or Sam Kinison, but that's not what I'm getting at.  It's not about pissing contests on the sidelines, it's about showing a desire to succeed on the field.  Shaub, in particular, gave up on numerous plays during the game - each time he quit it become more infuriating as the game crept further and further away from the Texans.  Multiple times, when facing 3rd and long, he'd dump the ball off to someone way short of the 1st down (FTR, the Texans were 1-11 on 3rd down).  "Here, you do something with it!"

Speaking after the game about he infamous 1st and a couple of feet sequence, Shaub actually said that is was smart of him to take the sack on 3rd down, because it was better than throwing the ball away.  Really?  At best, it makes no fucking difference; I doubt they go for it on 4th and short.  But it shows either: (a) no understanding of the situation even after the event with time to think about it; (2) he thinks we're a bunch of saps who'll swallow anything; or (iii) he knows he fucked up but can't bring himself to admit it.

I also read that the team didn't like getting booed.  I hope it stung like a motherfucker.  But, unfortunately, from the tone of the comments, it seemed to me that they thought that the booing was because we suck as fans and not because they were sucking as players.

[Limey]

New question:  how come Kubiak didn't challenge the spot when Walter was brought down at the goalline.  Looked to me on replays that the ball was over the line before he knee was down, but Kubes didn't do anything.  Non-challengeable play?

[HudsonHawk]

New question:  how come Kubiak didn't challenge the spot when Walter was brought down at the goalline.  Looked to me on replays that the ball was over the line before he knee was down, but Kubes didn't do anything.  Non-challengeable play?

I think it was pretty obvious from the replays that his knee was down before the ball crossed the goal line.  He certainly could have challenged, but little chance of winning it.  You're basically throwing away a timeout and a challenge, when you still have the ball 1st and goal from 1 ft out.  You feel good about being able to punch out 1 ft.  Of course, that assumes you actually *try*. 

The bigger question is why they didn't ram Ben Tate down their throats four straight plays.

[Limey]

I think it was pretty obvious from the replays that his knee was down before the ball crossed the goal line.  He certainly could have challenged, but little chance of winning it.  You're basically throwing away a timeout and a challenge, when you still have the ball 1st and goal from 1 ft out.  You feel good about being able to punch out 1 ft.  Of course, that assumes you actually *try*.  

The bigger question is why they didn't ram Ben Tate down their throats four straight plays.

OK, thanks.  I was seeing the replays ion the stadium, so maybe not getting the best look.  And, of course, we all know that Kubes is very careful with his timeouts.

Yes, a play-action throw into a crowd of Vikings on 1st down was about the last thing they should have tried.  Kubiak tries to double and triple-think everything, and all he does is double and triple-fuck everything.  I have said many times that someone needs to tell him that this isn't X-Box.

ETA:  When was the last time the Texans ran a QB Sneak?  The spot must've been literally inches from the line...

[austro]

ETA:  When was the last time the Texans ran a QB Sneak?  The spot must've been literally inches from the line...

Probably just about the time that Schaub broke his foot.

[Limey]

Probably just about the time that Schaub broke his foot.

So, his feet really are nailed to the floor?

[jbm]

Probably just about the time that Schaub broke his foot.

Yes, that was the last time I remember also.

As to the challenge play, I didn't think he crossed, but I figured they could make a few fucking inches, so challenging it wasnt worth it.

One weird thing about Shaub, and I guess it is a kind of what y'all are talking about:  he can bootleg and throw on the run just fine.  In fact, they are usually their best plays.  However, when he is flushed and ends up rolling out, he never (or rarely) makes a completion downfield, not even when no one is near tackling him.  Must be brainlock.   

It was nice to see Yates on his first play make a completion after getting flushed.  It was not so nice the second play when he fumbled. 

[HudsonHawk]

So, his feet really are nailed to the floor?

This is what's really frustrating about Schaub.  He's not mobile because he's big, with heavy legs and can't move laterally.  OK, then he should be able to fall forward for a few feet.  But he can't.  So you get the worst of both worlds with him.

[hostros7]

Kubiak tries to double and triple-think everything, and all he does is double and triple-fuck everything.  I have said many times that someone needs to tell him that this isn't X-Box.

This is the play.  The quarterback.  Two receivers lined up to the left, one to the right.  There's a flanker lined up to the left behind the quarterback.  He gives the ball-- No, he doesn't-- He doesn't get the ball. The receiver goes all the way over there to the left. Once the quarterback has the ball, he fakes to the left. No. He fakes to the right. He doesn't fake. He thinks about faking. He pretends to fake.

I don't know where I am.  I can't breathe.

[Limey]

This is the play.  The quarterback.  Two receivers lined up to the left, one to the right.  There's a flanker lined up to the left behind the quarterback.  He gives the ball-- No, he doesn't-- He doesn't get the ball. The receiver goes all the way over there to the left. Once the quarterback has the ball, he fakes to the left. No. He fakes to the right. He doesn't fake. He thinks about faking. He pretends to fake.

I don't know where I am.  I can't breathe.

Exactly.

[Limey]

I was in the Texans Grill lunchtime today, and they were re-running the TG game against the Lions.  When you jump back like that (and aren't in a food/alcohol haze), you can see all the same flaws and faults that caused Sunday's meltdown: Shaub overthrowing wide-open receivers; getting flushed from the pocket and panicking; dumping the ball of short on 3rd and long, etc. etc.

The difference was that the Lions gave them a boatload of 2nd chances, and the Texans were converting on 3rd and long thanks to - for the element of the game I saw (end of 3rd to the start of OT) - the legs of Foster and AJ (the latter getting the hot grenade passes from Shaub and having to make something of it).

Scary.