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« on: September 11, 2012, 10:25:12 am »
Oddly, I remember three things: watching the event unfold in our conference room, going to Berings Hardware because I didn't want to be at home, and spending hours on Astros Connection talking about what was happening. 
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2012, 11:09:51 am »
I had just finished an 8am class at UT and was on my laptop in the Physics Math Astronomy library.  First found out about it in the TZ (at AstrosConnection) and got all my news updates from the TZ since the major news web sites were all down.

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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2012, 11:36:48 am »
Got to work at 7:30 that day and they sent us home at about 10. I flipped back and forth between Fox News, MSNBC and CNN until about 2am and posted about it on LonghornFanZone. At some point I went to that convenience store on Far West and Hart Lane, which was owned by a Pakistani guy, if I remember correctly. I used to always shoot the shit with him when I went in, but he was very tense that day, as if he feared some sort of backlash. Terrible day.

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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2012, 11:46:09 am »
First found out about it in the TZ (at AstrosConnection) and got all my news updates from the TZ since the major news web sites were all down.

Me too. I was living in the Pacific time zone at the time and had slept late, so by the time I got up everything had already happened and all the websites were jammed. I got through to the TZ, still unaware what was going on, and one of the New York regulars (Todd the Bod maybe? I'm not sure) was giving updates and everyone was telling him to stay safe. That's when I turned on the TV.

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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2012, 11:50:52 am »
one of the New York regulars (Todd the Bod maybe? I'm not sure) was giving updates and everyone was telling him to stay safe.

Yep.  I think I remember it took him something like 12 hours to get home that day.

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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2012, 12:49:25 pm »
I was at home, a week away from starting a new job, sitting around with my infant daughter watching TV. My wife called me and asked if I'd heard about the plane crashing into the World Trade Center and I started to process that, trying to figure out how a flight could get that far off track. I flipped over to CNN and within a few minutes saw the second plane hit the other tower.

I've got friends who lived there and told me about their experiences. One friend lived in Brooklyn but was working her shift for CNN that morning and they stayed, frantic, for a double shift with no real break, running on nerves. She can talk about it now, what it was like to be in the middle of the information nexus, how it felt to walk outside and see the smoke and ash and dazed thousands and chaos, but she always ends up crying before she gets finished.

The hardest part for me - the part that keeps me from watching this stuff again - is the harrowing man on the street reports punctuated by the THUMP...THUMP...of bodies as jumpers fell rather than burn.
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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2012, 01:13:59 pm »
I was driving in to work (downtown Austin). I heard on the radio that a "small plane" had accidentally crashed into the North tower of the World Trade Center. When I got to work, the reports were vastly different now, as a second plane had crashed into the South tower. I was in a conference room with my boss and the CEO of the company, soon to be filled with everyone else in our office. Several people went home, some decided that they would try to get some work done. I sat and watched report after report come in. I became the un-official news alert guy for our office. And then... the first tower came crashing down and I screamed "Oh no! God NO!!!" Everyone rushed in and several people started to cry. Some turned away and just stared out the windows of our building. And the horror continued when the second tower collapsed. After this, there were only a few of us left in the office, many had gone home... not knowing what to do exactly. I remember our office assistant asking me "Why is this happening, Mr. Noe" (she loved using first names when addressing us).

I didn't even attempt to provide an explanation. I didn't have one.

We were stunned and few remaining employees just sat and talked for awhile in the conference room. Then we heard bells ringing. Two churches nearby were calling people to come pray. An Episcopal church and a Catholic church. I looked out the window and droves of people were streaming out of the adjoining buildings and also our own. They walked towards the churches, many to pray, others to just be somewhere where they could find solace.

What I remember most is the empty feeling inside. Those terrible few hours were uneasy to bear and left one with despair and a lack of hope for some reason. At least for me. And then slowly, for the rest of the day, hope sprang from many who dared to speak and lead and say what we needed to hear.

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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2012, 01:33:04 pm »
I remember the confusion.  There's more hijacked planes - no, they're all down - no, there's 8 more; it's a small plane - it's a jumbo jet - it's one tower - it's all over the place.

The only event of my life where I just spent all day thinking I could never, ever turn away from it.
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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2012, 01:41:25 pm »
I literally stood motionless in front of my television, in a towel, for 30 minutes until I could muster enough effort to get dressed and go in to work. There, we all sat in the conference room the entire day watching the events unfold.
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2012, 01:43:06 pm »
Senior year at Baylor.  Still half asleep and getting pissed off that the roommates had the TV on loud in the living room at 8 in the morning.  My usual reaction would probably have been to get up and ask them wtf, but for some reason that particular morning I just reached over and grabbed the remote and turned on my bedroom TV in a fog.  Being an old tube television, I could hear the audio before I saw any video.  "Small plane... World Trade Center..."  Seconds later as my eyes were still adjusting to the light of the TV and I fumbled around for my glasses, I watched the second plane hit.  Watched with the roommates in the living room as the events continued to unfold, until I had summon the will to go to class.  The towers had just fallen.  All I remember is getting to class, the professor leading a brief prayer, and dismissing us.  Spent the next few days glued to the television.  Dazed and depressed, I couldn't bring myself to to go classes on the 12th, which coincidentally was my birthday.  All I kept thinking was that nothing would ever be the same.  Can't watch 9/11 stuff nowadays because I get too goddamn angry.

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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2012, 02:13:53 pm »
Was on my way to a meeting in Montgomery when I heard the reports on the radio.  I called my wife to let her know what was going on.  She and the kids had an appointment in downtown Birmingham and as they were driving to it, my five year old daughter saw all the planes circling waiting to land and she asked "mommy are those planes going to fly in to buildings too?" My wife assured her they were doing as they had been told to do.

When I got to Montgomery, my meeting was in a state office building and I had to go through security for the first time ever entering that building. 

Came across this video of Bruce Springsteen doing a rehearsal of "You're Missing" before a SNL performance in 2002.  Powerful song written after 9/11 about those who never came home.
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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2012, 02:19:38 pm »
I was asleep (unemployed, recently graduated) when my phone rang.  My mom, who was a Delta flight attendant at the time was on the other end of the line and said, "Don't worry, I'm ok."  Great, thanks for waking me up.  She said to turn on the tv.  I asked what channel.  She said, any channel.  TV turned on, ESPN running baseball highlights.  Great, thanks again for waking me up.  I then changed to NBC and watched the second plane hit the towers.

Mom was on the runway in Houston, and some reports in the following days mentioned a Delta flight out of Houston as a possibility, but none of that ever gained any steam.  Spent the rest of the day in front of the TV in horror.

ETA: There are American flags everywhere here in NJ today.  I assume it's that way everywhere else, too.
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2012, 02:44:47 pm »
I was asleep, too. In fact, I was on midnight shift and slept till 3 pm until my thesis advisor called me to tell me to come in and I needed shut down the experiment we were running and I was going to have to stay there overnight and watch it. I was like "wut?" Then he explained to me slowly what was going on. So I came in and there was this Indian guy in the lab watching TV. He turns to me and says "The world is ending." I had nothing to do for the rest of the night, but the TV and pretty much feel the same way.

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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2012, 03:48:07 pm »
I was a couple of years out of college living in Boston, working in a building right across from City Hall that also housed a portion of the local FBI office.  We were promptly evacuated after the second plane hit and told to go home.  I called my brother who was supposed to start working at Sidley Austin in the high fifties of the north tower on September 10, but a couple weeks before had pushed his start date back to the 17th for no reason other than the fact he was enjoying an extended vacation.  He was fine, but his pregnant wife had to walk home to Park Slope from Hunter College.  

I watched the first tower go down in the crowded lobby of One Beacon Center before heading to the subway.  There were people riding the T that didn't know what had happened and every one was casually yelling at each other in an overly excited way while trying to remain visibly calm.  When I got off at my stop to walk home fighter jets were circling the city.

I got home and my roommate at the time, a jam-band loving night owl getting his masters in library sciences, was still asleep.  I burst into his room yelling "America's under attack!  The World Trade Center has been destroyed!  They blew up the Pentagon!" and was greeted with a "FUCK YOU! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING HOME! LEAVE ME ALONE!"  

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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2012, 05:26:47 pm »
I got home and my roommate at the time, a jam-band loving night owl getting his masters in library sciences, was still asleep.  I burst into his room yelling "America's under attack!  The World Trade Center has been destroyed!  They blew up the Pentagon!" and was greeted with a "FUCK YOU! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING HOME! LEAVE ME ALONE!"  

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« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2012, 05:44:59 pm »
I'd been working with experts over the weekend on case materials. And all Monday. Got home at 9 or 10 Monday night and proceeded to work on other cases until about 3:00 a.m.  (a two attorney office at the time and we were busy - 'triage' busy). Was scheduled to meet again with our experts on Tuesday at 8:00ish (waking up and being on time wasn't my 'strong suit' after a couple of nights of minimal sleep_.  Sometime before 6:00 a.m. (PDST).  [Note: times pieced together via 9/11 timelines, many of the quotes are general in nature - many are not). I heard my cell go off, again. Saw it was my dad and it was a repeat call so groggily picked up the phone.

"Turn on your TV", dad said.
"Huh? What am I looking for?"
"Just turn it on."

And in the haze of 5-6 hours of sleep over the previous couple of days, I turned on the TV and groggily watched smoke poor out of one of the Twin Towers.

"What the hell" I started to ask?
"A plane hit the World Trade Center" my dad replied.

[For reference, my dad is a retired Continental captain, and I had about 300 hours of flight time.  At that time he had a Flight School / FBO at Hooks airport.  I had worked with him there after college/before law school].

"What do you mean a plane hit it? Couldn't be a more beautiful day there. What was it, a little Cessna? What's going on?"  I asked.
"Wasn't any Cessna," my dad replied. "That was one of the big boys."

The conversation continued, and there were pauses.  Said I needed to get, and would call him later in the morning.  We were 'in the process' of hanging up when the second plane hit.

My response wasn't "what the hell this time."
My dad: "NYC is under attack."

Silence.

"Dad, I gotta go, I'll call you later in the morning" I said, and hung up.

Went upstairs for a shower.  It was all starting to sink in at this point.  Was in there a long time: sometimes sobbing uncontrollably, sometimes on my knees in prayer, sometime banging the crap out of the shower wall with my fist. Extreme sorrow. Prayer and petition. Anger yielding to rage. All were there, and all jockeying for dominance in me. None winning.

Was transfixed to the TV. Reports started coming in about an attack in Washington.  Tried to call dad to get more info (like he had any more than I did or something...).  Finally got hold of him a little before 7:00.  We were both watching and talking, when 'something' happened.

"Did I just see that?" I asked.
"Yes you did," dad responded.
"Look at the way that fell. Like a designed implosion. Must have been a bomb."
"Wasn't a bomb," dad said.  
"Have to go. Be careful. I love you," my dad said (differently this time).
"I love you dad," I said, and we hung up.

Was still transfixed to the television when the second tower fell. Watched for another 20-30 minutes, then drove to my meeting.  They'd pulled a television into the main room, and we watched for a while as '9/11' unfolded. At some point the experts boss (shop owner, asshole), started bitching about getting our shit done (or something along those lines).  And we went to work until the project was finished that afternoon, listening to the news and occasionally turning back to the TV.  

Got home in the afternoon, and that is when the true magnitude of what was happening began to really sink in.

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As an aside... As I watched the planes hit the towers, over, and over, and over, and over again, what I remember making me the angriest was when the second plane hit the second tower - SOB titled his wings at the last second to inflict maximum damage.  F-him...
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« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2012, 08:29:43 pm »
I was in Little Rock calling on dealerships. My parents drove over from Memphis for dinner and to visit. We said our goodbyes the next morning, and I was heading up to Conway when the cell rang. It was Taras Bulba telling me the horror.

The early reports were "small plane" to draw attention and "larger plane" once all were watching. Didn't take long to get the story.

With a pregnant wife at home and no idea how long I'd be grounded in the rock, I opted to drive my rental car back to Houston. I stopped for dinner at a steak house in Lufkin where I saw the crash videos of what had transpired.

I got pulled over in that infamous Corrigan speed trap. The officer was considerate when I told him why I was driving through at that hour. No ticket.

I pulled into Hertz to return the Lincoln, got on the bus and recognized the only other passenger on it-Willis Wilson, head basketball coach at Rice. We shared our stories and our thoughts. He had been at an NCAA meeting in KC and had made a decision like mine. We are friends to this day. I was extremely pleased to see him as a Memphis basketballaasiatant, and he got to know my family there.

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Got home to my family around 3am. I heard the sounds of the F-15's flying around all night. Also noted the similarities between the tall grey building on the northeast side of downtown and the look of the two towers. The tallest building in downtown Tulsa resembles them, too. Same architects, perhaps?
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« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2012, 09:51:00 pm »
I was in DC in a graduate statistics class and my office (out in Virginia) called and told me to get the hell out of the city.  Trying to get out on the key bridge, there was a traffic jam and I sat on the bridge, looking down the river at the smoke from the pentagon while the radio alerted everyone to another plane in the air and I just started sobbing.  My (now) husband was on the hill and evacuated to DE and couldn't get back to the city for days.  I saw at my office in VA which was in a bunker with my colleagues as we tried to reach people to make sure everyone was safe.  We couldn't get through on phone lines so just sat there hoping no response just meant someone couldn't get to their email.  I discovered later that the woman who recruited me to georgetown's public policy program, her husband and 2 small girls were on the plane that crashed into the pentagon.  They were on their way to australia for a sabbatical.  I imagine her on the plane, trying to keep her girls calm, knowing what was happening, and it breaks my heart.  Coming home that night, the streets were completely empty except for the tanks on the streets.  For the next year a soldier with a machine gun was stationed 24 hours on my street corner (i lived a few blocks from the capitol)... we left DC a few years later. 

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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2012, 01:25:38 am »
A little late, but decided to share.

I actually had the 11th off.  I was working night shift as a security guard at a large church here in town, and had managed to talk my boss into giving me the day off to go to a taping of Smackdown at the then-Compaq Center with 3 of my friends (make white trash jokes here).  I was sleeping in and my mother actually called me right after the first plane went in and just said that, "A plane crashed into the World Trade Center!"  I thought some idiot had managed to get lost in his Cessna or something, so I didn't think too much of it apart from thinking that NYC was probably freaking out.  I got up a few minutes later and turned it on to Fox and saw the fires and thought that it was way too big to be a simple prop plane.  Not 5 minutes later the second plane went in.  At that point I really only had two thoughts.  One, this more than a simple accident and two, someone had read "Debt of Honor" (the Tom Clancy book) too many times.  I got up, showered, and was putting on my uniform and checking my gun when the first tower fell.  When that happened, I felt sick, but then almost detached, like it just didn't feel real, like I was watching some movie on TV.  As soon as the second tower went down, my boss called me and told me that I needed to go in, we were both going to be at work all day.  I barely said anything, I think all I managed to get out was an, "OK" and left for work.

Work was weird.  Nothing was really going on, people were kind of just sitting at their desks looking at their computers and checking the internet for updates.  I went into our office and scrounged up a TV and hooked it up to a satellite box we had (we shared with the broadcast crew, we had lots of tech stuff to play around with) and turned on the news.  We took turns checking the TV and walking the building, which we opened up for people who wanted to come in and pray or light a candle.  The main thing I remember about that day at work was how still it all seemed.  It looked like people were too numb to move or do much of anything besides stare at their computers.  Not even the air seemed to want to move.  Very surreal.  It didn't really feel real to me until I got home that night after about a 12 hour day and sat down to process it all.

Two days later on my scheduled day off my friends and I still went to Smackdown, which the WWE had switched from a Tuesday recording to a live Thursday show.  The place was packed (it was the first major gathering after 9/11, IIRC)  but the crowd seemed filled with a nervous energy.  There was almost a sense of, "What if something happens here?"  Vince McMahon came out and gave one hell of a speech, Lillian Garcia (the announcer at the time) belted out a mother of a national anthem, and the place went nuts.  It was almost cathartic.

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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2012, 08:32:44 am »
The place was packed (it was the first major gathering after 9/11, IIRC)  but the crowd seemed filled with a nervous energy.  There was almost a sense of, "What if something happens here?"  Vince McMahon came out and gave one hell of a speech, Lillian Garcia (the announcer at the time) belted out a mother of a national anthem, and the place went nuts.  It was almost cathartic.

You're description reminded me about the scene from the documentary 'Nine Innings from Ground Zero' about the first baseball game in NYC after the attacks (NYM v. ATL).  Fantastic movie, I highly recommend it to all.  And while I'm on the subject of baseball and baseballs impact post 9/11, here is a link to an MLB.com Giuliani story (link primarily to allow you to see all of the MLB.com coverage links at the lower right hand corner of the page).
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« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2012, 09:05:31 am »
I was in my office in NW DC gathering my things to hop on the last Delta Shuttle of the morning to LaGuardia.  I was in my 12th floor (highest allowed in DC) southwest facing corner office on 15th Street across from the Washington Post building.  My admin came in to tell me that a small plane had hit one of the towers.  I wandered down to the conference room to see what the morning talking heads were saying about it and immediately understood that it was not a small plane.  A bunch of our Lockheed Martin engineers were trying to guess the size and velocity of the plane from the size and distribution of the fire.  All agreed it was a large plane going faster than approach.  I suspected that NYC airspace would be shut down so I went back to my office and called our NY data center to tell them I would not be up for the day.  The office is in Westchester County but even at that distance, lines were clogged and everyone in the office was busy calling and checking on friends and family.  I was on the phone with them when the 2nd plane hit.  There was a moment of silence, then some gasps in the background then the secure facility potential breach alarms went off.  This data center was directly attached to customer systems in Tower 2.  My contact said he had to go.

30 minutes later while working some continuity contingencies, I saw a billow of black smoke rise up to the south as Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.  The company issued the local evacuation of all DC area buildings except for essential employees.  Those that left before 10am got out of town that morning.  Anyone that waited until 11am spent most of the day in the car.  That was the start of 48 straight hours of work for me.
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« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2012, 09:29:23 am »
No. 1 sister and her husband were stationed at the Pentagon. Brother-in-law worked in the JCS CP so I was pretty sure that he was OK. Spent a nervous couple of hours until I heard from another sibling that my sister was in Norfolk on TDY.
No. 1 son-in-law worked at Indian Point nuclear power plant about 50 miles north of NYC. The on site security force was immediately supplemented by National Guard troops and there was fighter air cover over the plant for a few days.
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« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2012, 10:55:23 am »
I stopped for dinner at a steak house in Lufkin where I saw the crash videos of what had transpired.

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« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2012, 12:54:30 pm »
What's that awful Australian one, the one where they sit at your table if you're Hudson?
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What's that awful Australian one, the one where they sit at your table if you're Hudson?

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« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2012, 03:44:29 pm »
Outback.  They will also attempt to upsell you into a 3,000 calorie plate of cheese fries.

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« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2012, 04:56:45 pm »
A college bud of mine who sells corporate jets for Cessna was on the runway somewhere in the Midwest to take off around noon on 9/11.  A voice came over the cockpit radio from an officer of the USAF that stated that any aircraft aloft would be considered hostile and fired upon.  He decided to head back to the gate.
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« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2012, 09:03:48 pm »
That was the most noticeable thing for me living in Colorado Springs at the time.   Plenty of military including the US Air Force Academy.   NOTHING and I mean nothing was flying.   No contrails anywhere.    I was on some of the first flights out after they let us all back in the air and saw this whole security farce appear out of nowhere many months after the event. 

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« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2012, 11:01:20 pm »
NOTHING and I mean nothing was flying.   No contrails anywhere.

I'd forgotten about the sound of military jets buzzing the city for days after the attack. That was eerie.
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Re: 9/11/01
« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2012, 11:05:50 pm »
I was working for CPS in an ongoing services unit. I was late for a training on secondary trauma that day and the kids were cranky, so I left the radio off and sang songs with son #1 to pass the commute. Hubby had opened the private investigations firm, son #1 was almost 4, and son #2 was 7 months old. #2 was dropped off at the babysitter's, and her husband- who spoke more English than she did- had it on the tv. I thought a fire had broken out (due to a bomb or some such) at the Empire State Building and felt very sad. I took #1 to preschool 2 miles away and ran into the director. I asked if she knew about the fire, and she said, "It's not the Empire State Building. Planes crashed into the World Trade Center and one of the towers fell." i nearly vomited from horror and ran to my truck to turn on the radio. I sat there for about 10 minutes listening to Peter Jennings catch me up on what little we knew at that point. Finally, I started the truck and drove to a hotel at I-10 and Silber for the training. I pulled in and shut off the ignition, but couldn't bring myself to turn off the radio.

And then, Peter Jennings said, "Oh, God, the second tower." I could hear it falling in the background and leaned my forehead on the steering wheel. I finally gathered some strength and went into the training. The speaker stopped, and he and everyone else looked at me expectantly. I told them the second tower was gone, and nobody said anything for several seconds. Then the trainer kicked back in and we talked for a few minutes before continuing the training. Almost all of us ate lunch right there in the hotel's restaurant, where every tv was on the news. I don't remember a whole lot about the afternoon, but I know I spoke to my husband at some point, and after the training was over, I got the kids and went straight home. I remember seeing Lillian Garcia cry as she sang the National Anthem, and I remember John whassisface (used to be in The Acolytes) say that he hoped we turned the country of whoever did this into a parking lot.

And I remember thinking the next day, as I was driving to work, how eerie it was to drive by Hobby Airport and not see any planes taking off or landing. That day, I was back at the office by the Dome, and 4 of us went to the church attached to my son's preschool at lunch that day. No service, we just sat in the sanctuary quietly and lit candles. That night, I called my Dad, the former active-duty Marine who served in the Pacific in WWII, and he said, "We'll get 'em."

For anyone who doesn't know, secondary trauma is a therapeutic term. When someone experiences a trauma- rape, assault, battle, etc- they are experiencing primary trauma. They're involved in it, and it's directly affecting them. Secondary trauma is felt by the practicioner, helper, nurse, neighbor, whoever, that is helping the victim through the trauma. That feeling of being wiped out or upset or having your mind whirl after your sister breaks down on your shoulder because she just found out her husband's been cheating on her with numerous women. The trauma didn't necessarily affect you directly, but you are involved in the process of dealing with it. That's what we were trying to learn about in Houston while all that was going on on the east coast.
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Re: 9/11/01
« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2012, 11:31:11 pm »
I'd forgotten about the sound of military jets buzzing the city for days after the attack. That was eerie.
Brother OSF, I honestly think those pilots banked a lot of hard, loud turns to reassure us they were there, even if it meant waking us from time to time.

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« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2012, 01:09:08 am »
There was this knucklehead named Jose I knew from the block back in the day. I can't tell you for CERTAIN that he dealt in illicit substances but I do know he spent all day standing around on my corner no matter the weather. Perhaps street life fascinated this fellow, I don't know.

When I moved to the block I immediately made friends with all these goons. I basically just gave them the time of day and treated them like regular dudes rather than Rican lowlifes and somewhat to my surprise that made a big difference. Making friends with those guys protected me in ways I didn't fully realize at the time and was one of the better decisions I made in those days. It turns out Jose and I have the same birthday. We always got a laugh out of that.

The last time I was in the neighborhood I was sort of walking around in a daze like I always do whenever I go back there. I was physically present yet a million miles away as I passed someone standing in a doorway speaking that fucked up Rican Spanish through a cell phone. For some reason I snapped to attention and looked up at the speaker and of course it was Jose. He recognized me immediately, Ohhhh SHIII'!!!! I stopped to chat. We caught up a bit, he showed me pictures of all of his kids, told me the various fates of many of the people from the block. Leaving I told him Cuidate mucho, wistes? And he shot back Wamente papito!

Monday night I had a long and complicated dream centering on Jose. Like all of the very few dreams I ever remember it was tension-filled and carried the theme of my inability to perform some sort of expected task. You'd think that someone with my sort of superiority complex wouldn't be hounded by anxiety dreams. I guess that's the way these things find their equilibrium. Anyway, it may be meaningless but I never attached any significance to the dream and the date of its occurrence until you guys brought up the topic.
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Re: 9/11/01
« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2012, 08:10:27 am »
One other quick story that is 9/11 related.

A neighbor of ours had tickets to the UAB/Army game at legion field on 9/22.  They got special permission for a C-130 to fly over and dump a parachutist out with a flag.  It was the first plane that had flown over Birmingham since the attacks.  Hearing the drone of the engines as it approached was spooky.

When it came time for the national anthem, each of the Army players snapped to attention and saluted.  Most emotional national anthem I have ever experienced.  UAB won the game but no one cared. 

In Oct., I had to go to NYC on business.  The memorials were still in front of the fire houses and the tone was somber.  Went to a game at Yankee Stadium and was moved by God Bless America.  Probably one of the pro games I remember the most.  They played the White Sox and a young Carlos Lee patrolled LF.  I heard him get heckled by some of the Bronx best hecklers.
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« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2012, 07:21:13 pm »
I was feverishly preparing documents for a client meeting at 10:00 a.m., and my e-mail started popping with WTC as the subject line. I was frantically trying to get ready for the meeting and didn't bother to click on any of them or to turn on any news, so I was in a self-imposed blackout. I actually was annoyed by the sheer number of "WTC" e-mails, as if the world revolved around me. Of course, back then, I thought that it did.

I went to this meeting, which wasn't far from my office. I was listening to a CD of Jimmy Durante, still in a blackout. It wasn't until I got to my client's office that I knew what "WTC" meant. I felt like a heel. Some of those e-mails were coming from people who had offices in one of the Twin Towers. I had dealings from time to time with folks at Kantor Fitzgerald, many of whom died in the event. I still feel a little guilty that I was so self-absorbed with work that I was oblivious to what was going on. I'll never forget it. Or them.

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Re: 9/11/01
« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2012, 09:53:16 am »
One other quick story that is 9/11 related.

A neighbor of ours had tickets to the UAB/Army game at legion field on 9/22.  They got special permission for a C-130 to fly over and dump a parachutist out with a flag.  It was the first plane that had flown over Birmingham since the attacks.  Hearing the drone of the engines as it approached was spooky.


Yeah, I went to the first game back at MMP after 9/11 and had a similar eerie feeling seeing planes, even though they were somewhat in the distance.  And FTC and fuck Sammy Sosa for hitting 3 home runs and ruining everyone's night.