Author Topic: Lowrie/Lee to LAD? (Read 19204 times)

MusicMan · « **on:** June 29, 2012, 09:06:10 pm »

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Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN
Dodgers are talking to Astros about a trade that would send Jed Lowrie to the Dodgers,with minor-leaguers Zach Lee and Garrett Gould to HOU.

One source places odds of Lowrie/Lee Astros-Dodgers deal is about 50-50 right now.

Sources are saying that there could be others involved in Lowrie/Lee-Gould discussions between Dodgers and Astros.

Lowrie, of course, would give Dodgers options at third base and shortstop. Having a strong season, and hitting for power -- which LAD needs.

Zach Lee was LA's #1 prospect according to BP, Gould #5. Both are RHP (starters), with Lee projected as "star level".

austro · « **Reply #1 on:** June 29, 2012, 09:16:55 pm »

He's hitting for power in places other than Dodger Stadium. I assume they're taking that into account.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #2 on:** June 29, 2012, 09:45:27 pm »

That would be one bold trade for sure. Interesting.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #3 on:** June 29, 2012, 09:55:30 pm »

Rosenthal says the talks are about Carlos Lee, not Lowrie.

jbm · « **Reply #4 on:** June 29, 2012, 09:56:48 pm »

Does Lowrie have the arm for third?

Not sure about Lee as a star. Last I had heard about him was that he was more mid-rotation ceiling. Basically, it sounds like he hasn't developed the velocity which was once expected.

austro · « **Reply #5 on:** June 29, 2012, 09:58:47 pm »

Quote from: jbm on June 29, 2012, 09:56:48 pm

Does Lowrie have the arm for third?

Doesn't seem like it to me. He fields everything off to the side and then kind of whips the ball to first.

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #6 on:** June 29, 2012, 10:06:11 pm »

Now seeing reports it's Carlos not Lowrie, and for not much prospect wise

Ron Brand · « **Reply #7 on:** June 29, 2012, 11:04:47 pm »

Talks appear to be gaining steam re: Lee for Gould.

Reuben · « **Reply #8 on:** June 29, 2012, 11:21:24 pm »

Levine with a short story up about the trade rumor, saying that Gould (who was scheduled to pitch vs. Lancaster tonight) was scratched an hour before game-time with no explanation.

jbm · « **Reply #9 on:** June 29, 2012, 11:36:34 pm »

I honestly can't imagine getting Gould for Carlos.

moriartp · « **Reply #10 on:** June 29, 2012, 11:59:09 pm »

Quote from: jbm on June 29, 2012, 11:36:34 pm

I honestly can't imagine getting Gould for Carlos.

It would be pretty surprising, that's for sure. Then again, the Dodgers just gave $42mm to a middling prospect who no one's seen for a year, so nothing they do should surprise me at this point.

pots · « **Reply #11 on:** June 30, 2012, 06:09:59 am »

This one will be screwed up in rumors a lot given the 2 Lee's involved.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #12 on:** June 30, 2012, 08:25:49 am »

Quote from: jbm on June 29, 2012, 09:56:48 pm

Does Lowrie have the arm for third?

If he has the arm for SS, he has the arm for 3B.

juliogotay · « **Reply #13 on:** June 30, 2012, 09:16:37 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on June 30, 2012, 08:25:49 am

If he has the arm for SS, he has the arm for 3B.

Agreed.

Fredia · « **Reply #14 on:** June 30, 2012, 09:28:12 am »

wait a minute , you mean the astros can trade with someone other than the phillies..wowo

Reuben · « **Reply #15 on:** June 30, 2012, 09:38:08 am »

Quote from: juliogotay on June 30, 2012, 09:16:37 am

Agreed.

He's played 83 games/525 innings at 3rd in his MLB career... .961 FLD% (vs. .956 league AVG) and a 2.97 RF/9 (vs 2.68 lg AVG)... for whatever (if anything) those numbers are worth.

I think we can safely say he'd be better than, say, Chris Johnson over there.

juliogotay · « **Reply #16 on:** June 30, 2012, 10:07:13 am »

Quote from: Reuben on June 30, 2012, 09:38:08 am

He's played 83 games/525 innings at 3rd in his MLB career... .961 FLD% (vs. .956 league AVG) and a 2.97 RF/9 (vs 2.68 lg AVG)... for whatever (if anything) those numbers are worth.

I think we can safely say he'd be better than, say, Chris Johnson over there.

I'm not arguing against that, you know.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #17 on:** June 30, 2012, 10:58:16 am »

Quote from: Reuben on June 30, 2012, 09:38:08 am

I think we can safely say he'd be better than, say, Chris Johnson over there.

Of course. Lowrie is the best infielder on the team. That's why he's the SS.

pots · « **Reply #18 on:** June 30, 2012, 11:40:34 am »

Lee and Lowrie in the lineup today. Hopefully, Lee didn't nix a trade...

pots · « **Reply #19 on:** June 30, 2012, 11:54:42 am »

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•Lee met with GM Jeff Luhnow this morning and told reporters (including MLB.com's Brian McTaggart) that the Dodgers have made an offer (Twitter link). He is going to take some time if decide if he wants to accept it. Lee is in the lineup for Houston this afternoon.

moriartp · « **Reply #20 on:** June 30, 2012, 12:40:32 pm »

Writers have pointed out that the Astros can use Wallace as leverage and tell Carlos he won't get much playing time (if any) if he doesn't accept the trade. I don't know if he's got a big July 4th BBQ planned at his ranch, but he won't have to be far away for very long--just through October, depending on how far the Dodgers make it. Speaking of which, this is very likely Carlos' last chance to make the postseason (where he's only been once, twelve years ago). My WAG: he'll accept.

Reuben · « **Reply #21 on:** June 30, 2012, 01:19:42 pm »

Quote from: moriartp on June 30, 2012, 12:40:32 pm

Writers have pointed out that the Astros can use Wallace as leverage and tell Carlos he won't get much playing time (if any) if he doesn't accept the trade. I don't know if he's got a big July 4th BBQ planned at his ranch, but he won't have to be far away for very long--just through October, depending on how far the Dodgers make it. Speaking of which, this is very likely Carlos' last chance to make the postseason (where he's only been once, twelve years ago). My WAG: he'll accept.

Wallace has been hot back at OKC: .342/.419/.684 in his last 10 games (albeit with 14 Ks). Strangely, he's hit lefties much better than righties on the year- .315 BA and 6 of his 13 HR. link

OregonStrosFan · « **Reply #22 on:** June 30, 2012, 01:23:52 pm »

Quote from: pots on June 30, 2012, 11:40:34 am

Lee and Lowrie in the lineup today. Hopefully, Lee didn't nix a trade...

As I understand it, Carlos is just waiting for LAD to sweeten the pot a little bit by offering him free Dodger-Dogs for life. Word is that the LAD accounting office has grave concerns about this...

Reuben · « **Reply #23 on:** June 30, 2012, 01:24:49 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on June 30, 2012, 10:58:16 am

Of course. Lowrie is the best infielder on the team. That's why he's the SS.

no pings on the sarc meter from that one?

moriartp · « **Reply #24 on:** June 30, 2012, 01:39:36 pm »

FWIW, if the Astros do end up acquiring Gould here, the Stargate references will be coming nonstop.

OregonStrosFan · « **Reply #25 on:** June 30, 2012, 02:09:25 pm »

Quote from: moriartp on June 30, 2012, 01:39:36 pm

FWIW, if the Astros do end up acquiring Gould here, the Stargate references will be coming nonstop.

Nerd!

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #26 on:** June 30, 2012, 02:10:26 pm »

The other threat i saw mentioned was a trade to someone not on his restricted list

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #27 on:** June 30, 2012, 02:24:52 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on June 30, 2012, 01:24:49 pm

no pings on the sarc meter from that one?

Mine is broken, but I didn't detect any because HH is absolutely correct. Theoretically, your SS should be your best infielder. It doesn't always work out that way, but in this case, it is probably true. Lee's been a pretty decent first sacker. Altuve has been very erratic. Clank II is, well, Clank II. Lowrie is the best of the starters. However, I think that Marwin Gonzalez is a better fielding SS than Lowrie.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #28 on:** June 30, 2012, 03:30:24 pm »

Quote from: BizidyDizidy on June 30, 2012, 02:10:26 pm

The other threat i saw mentioned was a trade to someone not on his restricted list

I would hope it wouldn't come to this, but that is an option for the Astros. It's the asshole option, but it's an option.

austro · « **Reply #29 on:** June 30, 2012, 03:32:29 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on June 30, 2012, 03:30:24 pm

I would hope it wouldn't come to this, but that is an option for the Astros. It's the asshole option, but it's an option.

Who's not on his restricted list? Would any of them even be interested?

OregonStrosFan · « **Reply #30 on:** June 30, 2012, 03:36:12 pm »

Quote from: austro on June 30, 2012, 03:32:29 pm

Who's not on his restricted list? Would any of them even be interested?

The list hasn't been made public.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #31 on:** June 30, 2012, 03:37:06 pm »

Quote from: austro on June 30, 2012, 03:32:29 pm

Who's not on his restricted list? Would any of them even be interested?

Don't know, but there are 14 teams to which he can veto a trade. He's fair game for the other half.

Bench · « **Reply #32 on:** June 30, 2012, 03:38:15 pm »

Quote from: OregonStrosFan on June 30, 2012, 03:36:12 pm

The list hasn't been made public.

He ate it.

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #33 on:** June 30, 2012, 05:14:04 pm »

Will be interesting to see what Carlos does, but if he decides to veto the trade it says something about his interest in winning. He has a shot to go from a bottom 5 team in the league to one the best and play meaningful baseball games in October.

Bench · « **Reply #34 on:** June 30, 2012, 05:26:36 pm »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on June 30, 2012, 05:14:04 pm

Will be interesting to see what Carlos does, but if he decides to veto the trade it says something about his interest in winning. He has a shot to go from a bottom 5 team in the league to one the best and play meaningful baseball games in October.

I don't think his interest in joining a winning club is greater than his interest in being comfortable. I don't agree that colors his interest in winning the particular game that he's playing in any given day.

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #35 on:** June 30, 2012, 05:30:58 pm »

@Ken_Rosenthal: Sources tell me ...deal would be Lee to #Dodgers for Gould & cash. Dodgers await word on whether Lee will waive no-trade.

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #36 on:** June 30, 2012, 05:33:06 pm »

If the Astros have the option to better the club by landing a solid pitching prospect and Carlos vetoes the trade, then they should let Carlos know that as soon as the trade deadline comes and goes, he will be watching Wallace play 1st every day.

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #37 on:** June 30, 2012, 05:34:39 pm »

Quote from: Bench on June 30, 2012, 05:26:36 pm

I don't think his interest in joining a winning club is greater than his interest in being comfortable.

That is basically what I was trying to say.

Bench · « **Reply #38 on:** June 30, 2012, 05:41:04 pm »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on June 30, 2012, 05:34:39 pm

That is basically what I was trying to say.

I know. I was just clarifying.

JimR · « **Reply #39 on:** June 30, 2012, 05:50:34 pm »

Arm for third? That is crazy. All you need to play third is a strong chest. ANY MLB SS can play third.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #40 on:** June 30, 2012, 06:00:03 pm »

Quote from: JimR on June 30, 2012, 05:50:34 pm

Arm for third? That is crazy. All you need to play third is a strong chest. ANY MLB SS can play third.

I agree.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #41 on:** June 30, 2012, 08:23:03 pm »

Lee says he'll decide by Sunday.

The link is to a McTaggart article, but it doesn't have much more info in it than that.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #42 on:** June 30, 2012, 08:59:21 pm »

Quote from: Ron Brand on June 30, 2012, 08:23:03 pm

Lee says he'll decide by Sunday.

The link is to a McTaggart article, but it doesn't have much more info in it than that.

I hope that he goes. He didn't look too good today. You could tell that something was weighing heavy on his mind. He swung at some balls today that he wouldn't usually offer at.

Reuben · « **Reply #43 on:** June 30, 2012, 10:57:29 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on June 30, 2012, 02:24:52 pm

Mine is broken, but I didn't detect any because HH is absolutely correct. Theoretically, your SS should be your best infielder. It doesn't always work out that way, but in this case, it is probably true. Lee's been a pretty decent first sacker. Altuve has been very erratic. Clank II is, well, Clank II. Lowrie is the best of the starters. However, I think that Marwin Gonzalez is a better fielding SS than Lowrie.

I meant from my comment HH was replying too. I had made a lame attempt at humor by implying Lowrie would "probably" be better than CJ at 3B. Yes, of course he would be.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #44 on:** June 30, 2012, 10:59:29 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on June 30, 2012, 10:57:29 pm

I meant from my comment HH was replying too. I had made a lame attempt at humor by implying Lowrie would "probably" be better than CJ at 3B. Yes, of course he would be.

Oh. I hadn't picked up the humor from your take, but that shouldn't surprise you or anyone else here because my sarc-meter doesn't work.

Guinness · « **Reply #45 on:** July 01, 2012, 08:36:25 am »

Quote from: moriartp on June 30, 2012, 01:39:36 pm

FWIW, if the Astros do end up acquiring Gould here, the Stargate references will be coming nonstop.

Indeed.

Randy Watson · « **Reply #46 on:** July 01, 2012, 01:18:34 pm »

Love what Luhnow has done and is attempting to do. Night and day from the last 6 years of the Drayton regime.

Bench · « **Reply #47 on:** July 01, 2012, 03:23:04 pm »

Quote from: OregonStrosFan on June 30, 2012, 03:36:12 pm

The list hasn't been made public.

Interesting contractual note by JD just now, the negotiated trade restriction list in Lee's contract actually supersedes his 10/5 veto rights under the CBA.

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #48 on:** July 01, 2012, 06:20:07 pm »

He exchanged 10 and 5 for full no trade first 4 years, limited last two. Allowed because he got no trade ahead of 10-5 in exchange

pots · « **Reply #49 on:** July 01, 2012, 06:40:47 pm »

I don't recall a player being allowed to ponder a trade this long?

astrosfan76 · « **Reply #50 on:** July 01, 2012, 06:52:06 pm »

Quote from: pots on July 01, 2012, 06:40:47 pm

I don't recall a player being allowed to ponder a trade this long?

You think this is slow? (insert obligatory fat joke)

moriartp · « **Reply #51 on:** July 01, 2012, 07:11:11 pm »

Heyman says Dodgers pulled the plug. Deal's off.

BUWebguy · « **Reply #52 on:** July 01, 2012, 07:14:43 pm »

Rosenthal and Levine saying the same thing.

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #53 on:** July 01, 2012, 07:16:22 pm »

Nothing like riding off into the sunset in a blaze of mediocrity

pots · « **Reply #54 on:** July 01, 2012, 07:17:52 pm »

Quote from: BizidyDizidy on July 01, 2012, 07:16:22 pm

Nothing like riding off into the sunset in a blaze of mediocrity

mediocrity would be an improvement

moriartp · « **Reply #55 on:** July 01, 2012, 07:42:45 pm »

If Garrett Gould goes on to have any kind of valuable career, it's going to sting.

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #56 on:** July 01, 2012, 07:58:37 pm »

Great point, with any luck his arm will Ratliff

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #57 on:** July 01, 2012, 07:58:55 pm »

Umm, fall off

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #58 on:** July 01, 2012, 09:51:29 pm »

In general I am pretty anti-booing, this is now the exception.

Can anyone think of a situation like this happening before? A player turning down the chance to go from an awful team to a contender? Maybe it happens all the time, I jut cant recall one.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #59 on:** July 01, 2012, 10:05:46 pm »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on July 01, 2012, 09:51:29 pm

In general I am pretty anti-booing, this is now the exception.

Wrong. You never boo. Ever. Have you ever been booed by your home crowd? I have and it sucks donkey balls.

moriartp · « **Reply #60 on:** July 01, 2012, 10:27:03 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on July 01, 2012, 10:05:46 pm

Wrong. You never boo. Ever.

+1

OregonStrosFan · « **Reply #61 on:** July 01, 2012, 10:45:21 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on July 01, 2012, 10:05:46 pm

Wrong. You never boo. Ever. Have you ever been booed by your home crowd? I have and it sucks donkey balls.

If the Astros sign Carlos Zambrano, I will boo. #ExceptionsToEveryRule

OregonStrosFan · « **Reply #62 on:** July 01, 2012, 10:48:57 pm »

FWIW, via Greg Lucas a couple of minutes ago (LINK):

Lee Still Undecided
Carlos Lee had still not decided whether he would accept a trade to the Dodgers as I put these words into the laptop at about 11pm Eastern Sunday night. A final decision by Lee could come at any time. He may have been thinking he should have accepted the trade earlier today while on the Astros flight to Pittsburgh.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #63 on:** July 01, 2012, 11:49:56 pm »

Quote from: OregonStrosFan on July 01, 2012, 10:45:21 pm

If the Astros sign Carlos Zambrano, I will boo. #ExceptionsToEveryRule

Not even then, OSF. Not even then. If the club does something stupid like that, then I might not go to the games that he pitches. But not even signing Zambrano would get me to pull against the ballclub.

OregonStrosFan · « **Reply #64 on:** July 02, 2012, 12:02:41 am »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on July 01, 2012, 11:49:56 pm

If the club does something stupid like that, then I might not go to the games that he pitches.

This.

MusicMan · « **Reply #65 on:** July 02, 2012, 06:59:01 am »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on July 01, 2012, 09:51:29 pm

Can anyone think of a situation like this happening before? A player turning down the chance to go from an awful team to a contender? Maybe it happens all the time, I jut cant recall one.

Jamie Moyer.

mrpink · « **Reply #66 on:** July 02, 2012, 07:18:21 am »

I think I remember Fred McGriff doing this with he was with the Rays. He eventually acquiesced and accepted the trade to the Cubs. Of course, it was the cubs so I'm not sure it counts.

Andyzipp · « **Reply #67 on:** July 02, 2012, 08:57:07 am »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on July 01, 2012, 10:05:46 pm

Wrong. You never boo. Ever. Have you ever been booed by your home crowd? I have and it sucks donkey balls.

NO SHIT! - Jimy Williams

Taras Bulba · « **Reply #68 on:** July 02, 2012, 09:16:56 am »

Moises Alou turned down the Astros attempt to send him to the Yankees.

Andyzipp · « **Reply #69 on:** July 02, 2012, 09:25:20 am »

Quote from: Taras Bulba on July 02, 2012, 09:16:56 am

Moises Alou turned down the Astros attempt to send him to the Yankees.

I don't think anyone thought 2000 was more than a blip on the radar or that Alou was at the end of his career.

Lee (likely) only has a couple of seasons left, and any chance to win is going to rest with him being elsewhere.

MusicMan · « **Reply #70 on:** July 02, 2012, 09:34:07 am »

Quote from: Taras Bulba on July 02, 2012, 09:16:56 am

Moises Alou turned down the Astros attempt to send him to the Yankees.

It really pissed him off.

Andyzipp · « **Reply #71 on:** July 02, 2012, 10:21:31 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 02, 2012, 09:34:07 am

It really pissed him off.

But he maintained a very hands-on approach to the games.

Reuben · « **Reply #72 on:** July 02, 2012, 11:35:04 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 02, 2012, 09:34:07 am

It really pissed him off.

Did he tell Hunsicker if he ever tried to do that again "You're in trouble"?

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #73 on:** July 02, 2012, 12:00:07 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on July 02, 2012, 11:35:04 am

Did he tell Hunsicker if he ever tried to do that again "You're in trouble"?

My wife's fantasy football team name is "Urine Trouble".

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #74 on:** July 02, 2012, 12:02:23 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 02, 2012, 12:00:07 pm

My wife's fantasy football team name is "Urine Trouble".

It might be a GROWING problem

OregonStrosFan · « **Reply #75 on:** July 02, 2012, 12:06:44 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 02, 2012, 12:00:07 pm

My wife's fantasy football team name is "Urine Trouble".

I have officially co-opted JackAstros 'Craptacular' for my fantacrap teams... Thanks JackAstro!

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #76 on:** July 02, 2012, 01:08:59 pm »

Quote from: OregonStrosFan on July 02, 2012, 12:06:44 pm

I have officially co-opted JackAstros 'Craptacular' for my fantacrap teams... Thanks JackAstro!

I use the name of my mythical minor league baseball team that I used to write about from time to time: Hammond Eggs.

Even though I haven't a pot to piss in, I still dream of owning a minor league baseball team and building new scoreboards for all of the little league ballparks in town and being a big part of the community. I'd be such a benevolent owner. It's a shame.

Reuben · « **Reply #77 on:** July 02, 2012, 02:42:13 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on July 02, 2012, 01:08:59 pm

I use the name of my mythical minor league baseball team that I used to write about from time to time: Hammond Eggs.

Even though I haven't a pot to piss in, I still dream of owning a minor league baseball team and building new scoreboards for all of the little league ballparks in town and being a big part of the community. I'd be such a benevolent owner. It's a shame.

Did they have a cross-town rival called the Hammond Cheese?

JackAstro · « **Reply #78 on:** July 02, 2012, 02:45:28 pm »

Quote from: OregonStrosFan on July 02, 2012, 12:06:44 pm

I have officially co-opted JackAstros 'Craptacular' for my fantacrap teams... Thanks JackAstro!

Oh God, did you inherit that mess? Sorry.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #79 on:** July 02, 2012, 03:12:34 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on July 02, 2012, 02:42:13 pm

Did they have a cross-town rival called the Hammond Cheese?

No. They were my mythical team in the Southern League.

OregonStrosFan · « **Reply #80 on:** July 02, 2012, 03:54:53 pm »

Quote from: JackAstro on July 02, 2012, 02:45:28 pm

Oh God, did you inherit that mess? Sorry.

Nope, just use it in other leagues... I especially prefer it when a 4-letter team identifier is required (i.e. 'CRAP' - Yahoo team color is brown...).

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #81 on:** July 02, 2012, 05:06:37 pm »

Quote from: OregonStrosFan on July 02, 2012, 03:54:53 pm

Nope, just use it in other leagues... I especially prefer it when a 4-letter team identifier is required (i.e. 'CRAP' - Yahoo team color is brown...).

You funny, OSF!

jwhudson · « **Reply #82 on:** July 02, 2012, 05:40:40 pm »

Do we know which teams are acceptable candidates for a Lee trade?

OregonStrosFan · « **Reply #83 on:** July 02, 2012, 06:03:19 pm »

Quote from: jwhudson on July 02, 2012, 05:40:40 pm

Do we know which teams are acceptable candidates for a Lee trade?

The list hasn't been made public.

Clark in Denver · « **Reply #84 on:** July 02, 2012, 07:18:46 pm »

I haven't played any fantasy sports in a while, but I used to always name my fantasy team Traveling Horseshit Show.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #85 on:** July 02, 2012, 07:25:44 pm »

Mine was always the Tempe Corpsegrinders.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #86 on:** July 02, 2012, 08:21:36 pm »

Quote from: Clark in Denver on July 02, 2012, 07:18:46 pm

I haven't played any fantasy sports in a while, but I used to always name my fantasy team Traveling Horseshit Show.

That one always works well.

astrosfan76 · « **Reply #87 on:** July 03, 2012, 08:11:23 am »

I try to use different ones every year, this season I'm going with SABR-Tooth Tigers.

Fredia · « **Reply #88 on:** July 03, 2012, 08:59:46 am »

fredias freaks

juliogotay · « **Reply #89 on:** July 04, 2012, 11:33:21 am »

Rosenthat is reporting that the California income tax is the reason Carlos declined the Bums. It's on astrocounty if you want to read it but I told you everything in it.

jbm · « **Reply #90 on:** July 04, 2012, 11:41:56 am »

One thing I found interesting is the Dodgers were willing to make him whole so to speak, but Carlos' "vibe of apprehension" turned them off.

The article also said Lowrie is essentially unavailable. Wonder if that is actually true.

juliogotay · « **Reply #91 on:** July 04, 2012, 11:43:33 am »

RE: Lowrie, I suspect the Astros aren't agressively shopping him but if you want to talk....

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #92 on:** July 04, 2012, 01:34:48 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on July 04, 2012, 11:33:21 am

Rosenthat is reporting that the California income tax is the reason Carlos declined the Bums. It's on astrocounty if you want to read it but I told you everything in it.

That's probably his financial reason.

moriartp · « **Reply #93 on:** July 04, 2012, 03:52:46 pm »

Olney saying Marlins are deep in talks for Lee, and that Lee would be willing to play in Miami. (h/t Appy on twitter)

*Cabrera'd. See Navin's thread.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #94 on:** July 04, 2012, 03:56:05 pm »

Cabrera lives in the GZ.

pots · « **Reply #95 on:** July 06, 2012, 03:55:09 pm »

Interesting. Dodgers should be getting close to desparate with Dee Gordon out 6 weeks.

Quote

http://lasordaslair.com/2012/07/01/carlos-lee-deal-falls-through/

juliogotay · « **Reply #96 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:06:02 pm »

Quote from: pots on July 06, 2012, 03:55:09 pm

Interesting. Dodgers should be getting close to desparate with Dee Gordon out 6 weeks.

Thought that myself this mornig when I heard it. Marwin is ready to come back and doing very well at OKC. If not Lowrie, would they be interested in him?

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #97 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:12:09 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on July 06, 2012, 05:06:02 pm

Thought that myself this mornig when I heard it. Marwin is ready to come back and doing very well at OKC. If not Lowrie, would they be interested in him?

I like Marwin a lot. I'd want to keep him over Lowrie.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #98 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:42:52 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on July 06, 2012, 05:12:09 pm

I like Marwin a lot. I'd want to keep him over Lowrie.

Really. I see Marwin's value as a back-up utility type guy. Lowrie could be a starter for a long time, or at least until the new kid is ready.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #99 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:54:16 pm »

I like Marwin, I like that he's a switchhitter, but he doesn't field as well at SS as Lowrie does, and Lowrie is no plus fielder. He's 23, so maybe his bat will develop more. Lowrie is a legitimate hitter at short.

Lowrie's 28, and there are some good shortstops in the pipeline now so it's quite possible he's at his highest trade value here.

juliogotay · « **Reply #100 on:** July 06, 2012, 06:02:07 pm »

Quote from: Ron Brand on July 06, 2012, 05:54:16 pm

I like Marwin, I like that he's a switchhitter, but he doesn't field as well at SS as Lowrie does, and Lowrie is no plus fielder. He's 23, so maybe his bat will develop more. Lowrie is a legitimate hitter at short.

Lowrie's 28, and there are some good shortstops in the pipeline now so it's quite possible he's at his highest trade value here.

Yes, it's possible that this is the best, never to repeated, half-season of Lowrie's career. If it is a case of selling high, I would seriously consider.

I disagree about Marwin's fielding. He is every bit as good as Lowrie I believe. We haven't seen that much of him but he' s a plus shortstop.

jbm · « **Reply #101 on:** July 06, 2012, 06:08:43 pm »

Quote from: Ron Brand on July 06, 2012, 05:54:16 pm

Lowrie's 28, and there are some good shortstops in the pipeline now so it's quite possible he's at his highest trade value here.

This is one of those tough, but important decisions GMs make. I suspect they will not deal him, but if he continues to fall back to earth, it will look like an opportunity lost.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #102 on:** July 06, 2012, 06:09:35 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on July 06, 2012, 06:02:07 pm

I disagree about Marwin's fielding. He is every bit as good as Lowrie I believe. We haven't seen that much of him but he' s a plus shortstop.

I think he's better at 2B.

pots · « **Reply #103 on:** July 06, 2012, 06:12:51 pm »

Dodgers are looking for offense upgrades so I'm sure they'd rather have Lowrie. Wonder if CJ might be interesting to them

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #104 on:** July 06, 2012, 06:37:34 pm »

Quote from: pots on July 06, 2012, 06:12:51 pm

Dodgers are looking for offense upgrades so I'm sure they'd rather have Lowrie. Wonder if CJ might be interesting to them

They're not getting a lot of production out of Juan Uribe/Jerry Hairston, Jr./Adam Kennedy/Luis Cruz and anyone else that they run out there. Maybe they'd like Clank II's streaky bat. They certainly can't like that career fielding percentage of less than .93.

chuck · « **Reply #105 on:** July 06, 2012, 07:35:08 pm »

I will be astounded if the team doesn't move Lowrie.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #106 on:** July 06, 2012, 08:25:32 pm »

Quote from: chuck on July 06, 2012, 07:35:08 pm

I will be astounded if the team doesn't move Lowrie.

+1 They really have to if they can sell high.

Fredia · « **Reply #107 on:** July 06, 2012, 08:37:25 pm »

seems like the natives are restless when it comes to making the moves

moriartp · « **Reply #108 on:** July 06, 2012, 10:45:05 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on July 06, 2012, 08:25:32 pm

+1 They really have to if they can sell high.

It'll be tough to part with him, but if the return is right, I completely agree.

Reuben · « **Reply #109 on:** July 07, 2012, 01:08:45 pm »

Orioles interested in Wandy, and they have a clear need for a starter or two. Supposedly they're also keen on Greinke; which can probably be said for many teams - Luhnow may have to wait a while for the Wandy market to fully develop.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #110 on:** July 07, 2012, 01:32:39 pm »

Jays reportedly inquiring about Wandy as well.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #111 on:** July 07, 2012, 01:41:10 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on July 07, 2012, 01:08:45 pm

Orioles interested in Wandy, and they have a clear need for a starter or ~~two~~four. Supposedly they're also keen on Greinke; which can probably be said for many teams - Luhnow may have to wait a while for the Wandy market to fully develop.

FIFY The Birds have three starters (well, two now that they've optioned Matusz) that are pitching to ERA's of 5.42 or higher. Only Hammel and Chin are decent.

geezerdonk · « **Reply #112 on:** July 07, 2012, 03:15:37 pm »

Quote from: pots link=topic=114532.msg436879#msg436879 Wonder if CJ might be interesting to them
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If they are looking for errors and strike outs.

austro · « **Reply #113 on:** July 07, 2012, 03:39:00 pm »

The only way CJ would be interesting to anybody would be if this were the NBA and he had an expiring contract.

geezerdonk · « **Reply #114 on:** July 07, 2012, 03:57:29 pm »

Lowrie will never have more trade value. Another month and he may have no trade value.

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