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Abad to the DL, Xavier Cedeno up from OKC
« on: May 27, 2012, 03:01:43 pm »
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As much as seeing Abad come in to a game made me cringe earlier this season, he has been sharp as of late... That said, I like the 'Xavier Cedeno story' and hope he does well!
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Re: Abad to the DL, Xavier Cedeno up from OKC
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2012, 04:41:07 pm »
Per Campbell: LINK

As much as seeing Abad come in to a game made me cringe earlier this season, he has been sharp as of late... That said, I like the 'Xavier Cedeno story' and hope he does well!

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Re: Abad to the DL, Xavier Cedeno up from OKC
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2012, 07:24:58 pm »
What's the Xavier Cedeno story?
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Re: Abad to the DL, Xavier Cedeno up from OKC
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2012, 07:38:24 pm »
What's the Xavier Cedeno story?

I don't know his "story," other than he was going very well down in OkC. Lefties were 1-34 against him. He made two very good pitches to Abreu today to get ahead 0-2, but then he started nibbling, which played right into Abreu's modus operandi of drawing walks and which you can't do against Abreu.
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Re: Abad to the DL, Xavier Cedeno up from OKC
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2012, 07:44:49 pm »
I don't know his "story," other than he was going very well down in OkC. Lefties were 1-34 against him. He made two very good pitches to Abreu today to get ahead 0-2, but then he started nibbling, which played right into Abreu's modus operandi of drawing walks and which you can't do against Abreu.

It's remarkable what amazing at bats Abreu gets.
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Re: Abad to the DL, Xavier Cedeno up from OKC
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2012, 08:33:24 pm »
It's remarkable what amazing at bats Abreu gets.

Indeed. He's patient and hasd a very discerning eye.
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Re: Abad to the DL, Xavier Cedeno up from OKC
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2012, 10:16:09 am »
He does, but he is also like the Maddux of hitters. Two of the next four balls Cedeno threw might have been strikes to a different hitter.  If it was Shafer in the box, he probably would have been rung up. 

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Abad to the DL, Xavier Cedeno up from OKC
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2012, 10:50:42 am »
He does, but he is also like the Maddux of hitters. Two of the next four balls Cedeno threw might have been strikes to a different hitter.  If it was Shafer in the box, he probably would have been rung up. 

If it were Schafer in the box, he would have swung and missed.
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Re: Abad to the DL, Xavier Cedeno up from OKC
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2012, 12:03:46 pm »
He does, but he is also like the Maddux of hitters. Two of the next four balls Cedeno threw might have been strikes to a different hitter.  If it was Shafer in the box, he probably would have been rung up. 

That's a great analogy, but I can tell you that big league umpires watch film of their own calls behind the plate and analyze them, so Abreu has probably earned his stripes in this regard by taking pitches that, in fact, are balls most of the time. Maddux also earned the benefit of the doubt. Cedeno is nowhere close to that spot, so when he's facing Abreu, he has to throw real strikes.
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Re: Abad to the DL, Xavier Cedeno up from OKC
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2012, 02:30:28 pm »
That's a great analogy, but I can tell you that big league umpires watch film of their own calls behind the plate and analyze them, so Abreu has probably earned his stripes in this regard by taking pitches that, in fact, are balls most of the time. Maddux also earned the benefit of the doubt. Cedeno is nowhere close to that spot, so when he's facing Abreu, he has to throw real strikes.

Come on, Happy.

If umpires are watching film of their games and using that, there's NO way they're calling those 6-8 inches outside pitches strikes. Those weren't benefit of the doubt calls, they were fucking horseshit calls.
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Re: Abad to the DL, Xavier Cedeno up from OKC
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2012, 03:59:48 pm »
Come on, Happy.

If umpires are watching film of their games and using that, there's NO way they're calling those 6-8 inches outside pitches strikes. Those weren't benefit of the doubt calls, they were fucking horseshit calls.

Mark: I've been told by a big league umpire that they study calls and look at things like FoxTrax to see how they did. I would guess that it only requires tape work when they're behind home plate. On the whole, maybe it was just blowing smoke up my ass because all, and i mean all, of the umpires that I knew were heavy drinkers after the game. I learned very quickly to not try to keep up with an umpire when it comes to alcohol.
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Re: Abad to the DL, Xavier Cedeno up from OKC
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2012, 04:52:54 pm »
Mark: I've been told by a big league umpire that they study calls and look at things like FoxTrax to see how they did. I would guess that it only requires tape work when they're behind home plate. On the whole, maybe it was just blowing smoke up my ass because all, and i mean all, of the umpires that I knew were heavy drinkers after the game. I learned very quickly to not try to keep up with an umpire when it comes to alcohol.

They may look at the video, but I find it VERY hard to believe that they use the data for anything other than realizing they suck and laughing about it.
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Re: Abad to the DL, Xavier Cedeno up from OKC
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2012, 04:56:46 pm »
They may look at the video, but I find it VERY hard to believe that they use the data for anything other than realizing they suck and laughing about it.

I'd like to see a lot more of those overhead shots that used to infuriate us when the snivelling women were pitching for Atlanta. Those were very revealing.
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Re: Abad to the DL, Xavier Cedeno up from OKC
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2012, 05:43:39 pm »
MLB should get some real accountability or just go by the technology.  I realize that neither will ever happen though.

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Re: Abad to the DL, Xavier Cedeno up from OKC
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2012, 07:15:28 pm »
They may look at the video, but I find it VERY hard to believe that they use the data for anything other than realizing they suck and laughing about it.

I agree. They probably just like to appear that they're working hard. We know better.
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Re: Abad to the DL, Xavier Cedeno up from OKC
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2012, 07:54:21 am »
Mark: I've been told by a big league umpire that they study calls and look at things like FoxTrax to see how they did.

I could be convinced that the good umpires might do this, but I don't believe for a minute that ALL of them do this.  If they actually do, then they either suck at not sucking or, as Mark sort of said, they are trolling MLB.

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Re: Abad to the DL, Xavier Cedeno up from OKC
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2012, 11:46:46 am »
MLB should get some real accountability or just go by the technology.  I realize that neither will ever happen though.

Dunno, I think it *may* happen at some point - just not while A. Huber Selig is drawing breath however...
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Re: Abad to the DL, Xavier Cedeno up from OKC
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2012, 01:34:40 pm »
I could be convinced that the good umpires might do this, but I don't believe for a minute that ALL of them do this.  If they actually do, then they either suck at not sucking or, as Mark sort of said, they are trolling MLB.

I know that my friend did it, because I actually saw him looking at tape (back then, it was still tape). I always thought that Greg was a very good umpire (Terry Pendleton has a different opinion--Greg ran him three times, all I think in one season!). I do know that Greg did not fall for dumbass Richie Phillips ploy against MLB, which resulted in the mass firings of all of the umpires and the hiring of a bunch of minor league umpires to replace them (one I knew back then who is still there is Phil Cuzzi, who we used to drink with in New Orleans as he as a PCL umpire and called Zephyrs games). Greg got out right after that, but he didn't go along with Country Joe West (who was one of the lucky ones who got rehired-why I don't know) and the rest of them. The sad thing is that Richie bamboozled some very good umpires who didn't get rehired.
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