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Lil' Andy and the Drama Queen
« on: May 01, 2012, 03:53:19 pm »
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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2012, 10:34:07 am »
Lil' Andy just dumped some reasonable doubt on Clemens' case.  From this morning's proceedings:

“As you sit here today, you believe in your heart and mind that you very well might have misunderstood Mr. Clemens in 1999 or 2000?” Attanosio asked.

“Could have,” Pettitte replied.

“It’s fifty-fifty that you might have heard it, might have misunderstood it?”

“That’s fair,” Pettitte replied.
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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2012, 11:56:54 am »
Lil' Andy just dumped some reasonable doubt on Clemens' case.  From this morning's proceedings:

“As you sit here today, you believe in your heart and mind that you very well might have misunderstood Mr. Clemens in 1999 or 2000?” Attanosio asked.

“Could have,” Pettitte replied.

“It’s fifty-fifty that you might have heard it, might have misunderstood it?”

“That’s fair,” Pettitte replied.


The government probably is going apeshit about this from their own witness. However, I expected the pitchers to close ranks and protect their own.
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2012, 11:57:09 am »
Lil' Andy just dumped some reasonable doubt on Clemens' case.  From this morning's proceedings:

“As you sit here today, you believe in your heart and mind that you very well might have misunderstood Mr. Clemens in 1999 or 2000?” Attanosio asked.

“Could have,” Pettitte replied.

“It’s fifty-fifty that you might have heard it, might have misunderstood it?”

“That’s fair,” Pettitte replied.

That's huge for the country-chicken lawyer (or whatever y'all called him...).
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2012, 12:09:46 pm »
The government probably is going apeshit about this from their own witness. However, I expected the pitchers to close ranks and protect their own.

Absolutely.  I wonder who gave Pettitte the just-right wording to walk away from his prior statements without contradicting them.  You know he's not smart enough to come up with it on his own.
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2012, 12:13:34 pm »
Absolutely.  I wonder who gave Pettitte the just-right wording to walk away from his prior statements without contradicting them.  You know he's not smart enough to come up with it on his own.

Oh, who knows who did. However, it appears that unless the government turns coat and treats him as a hostile witness, it has already lost. Maybe they'll prosecute Pettitte for lying?
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2012, 12:45:34 pm »
Oh, who knows who did. However, it appears that unless the government turns coat and treats him as a hostile witness, it has already lost. Maybe they'll prosecute Pettitte for lying?

I wouldn't be surprised if that is the upshot of all this.  And Clemens will be nowhere to be seen when Andy's on the hot seat.
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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2012, 02:47:11 pm »
Lil' Andy just dumped some reasonable doubt on Clemens' case.  From this morning's proceedings:

“As you sit here today, you believe in your heart and mind that you very well might have misunderstood Mr. Clemens in 1999 or 2000?” Attanosio asked.

“Could have,” Pettitte replied.

“It’s fifty-fifty that you might have heard it, might have misunderstood it?”

“That’s fair,” Pettitte replied.


This whole exchange just seems off.  The more I read it, the more it really does seem staged by the defense, with the complicity of Pettitte.

First, it is not exactly a question, but a characterization of what is in Pettitte's heart and mind.  Also, how does one attach odds to hearing something.  Either you heard what he said or you didn't.  You may have misunderstood it, although I have no idea how one calculate those odds, but you either heard it or didn't hear it.

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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2012, 02:57:51 pm »
This whole exchange just seems off.  The more I read it, the more it really does seem staged by the defense, with the complicity of Pettitte.

First, it is not exactly a question, but a characterization of what is in Pettitte's heart and mind.  Also, how does one attach odds to hearing something.  Either you heard what he said or you didn't.  You may have misunderstood it, although I have no idea how one calculate those odds, but you either heard it or didn't hear it.

It was a long time ago.  Memories are hazy enough, but memories of of things you may have not correctly remembered in the first place can get pretty dicey. 

But yeah, it does seem like the perfect comment to take the sails out of the government's case without directly contradicting his prior statements.
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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2012, 04:05:44 pm »
Pettitte has never been known as a thinker or wordsmith, as was evidenced in the earlier testimony.  How the Feds thought his muddled thinking would stand up to a pretty decent country lawyer this time around is a tribute to the regard they have for your tax dollars in bringing this horse shit show to trial.
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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2012, 04:24:08 pm »
Pettitte has never been known as a thinker or wordsmith, as was evidenced in the earlier testimony.  How the Feds thought his muddled thinking would stand up to a pretty decent country lawyer this time around is a tribute to the regard they have for your tax dollars in bringing this horse shit show to trial.

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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2012, 04:36:57 pm »
“It’s fifty-fifty that you might have heard it, might have misunderstood it?”

I'm no lawyer, but isn't this leading the witness?
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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2012, 04:45:55 pm »
I'm no lawyer, but isn't this leading the witness?

I'm no litigator, but as I recall the defense can lead the prosecutor's witness.
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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2012, 04:47:23 pm »
either party can lead on cross examination.

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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2012, 05:46:11 pm »
I'm no lawyer, but isn't this leading the witness?

Yes.  Only on direct examination is leading prohibited.
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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2012, 05:47:10 pm »
Pettitte has never been known as a thinker or wordsmith, as was evidenced in the earlier testimony.  How the Feds thought his muddled thinking would stand up to a pretty decent country lawyer this time around is a tribute to the regard they have for your tax dollars in bringing this horse shit show to trial.

Hey now, Rusty was not allowed to participate in any way in the preparation of Pettitte's examination.  That would be a conflict of interest! 
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« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2012, 05:59:15 pm »
Hey now, Rusty was not allowed to participate in any way in the preparation of Pettitte's examination.  That would be a conflict of interest!

Forgot about that, it was someone else doing the cross examination.

This whole exchange just seems off.  The more I read it, the more it really does seem staged by the defense, with the complicity of Pettitte.

Which is a reasonable way to approach scripting the questions you are going to ask to a 'neutral' (i.e., non-hostile witness and/or one who'd be at least in some ways sympathetic to you and your client).  Lead the witness down a path of 'yesses' with questions they couldn't really say 'no' to, and then 'wordsmith' an additional question that (based on previous questions/the path they've been down) they will most likely answer 'yes' to.  It is a risk to be weighed seriously, but one often worth taking.

And don't know if its BS or not, but learned a long time ago (and its been my impression since) that if I really wanted to get a 'yes' in a deposition to a question that someone would be inclined to answer 'maybe' or 'no' to as well, that the best way to do so was to ask a series of no-doubt questions that required simple 'yes' answers, and then throw in the 'iffy' question.  Much more often than not, the folks'd get in a 'rhythm' and give me a yes there as well.
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« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2012, 06:14:16 pm »
And don't know if its BS or not, but learned a long time ago (and its been my impression since) that if I really wanted to get a 'yes' in a deposition to a question that someone would be inclined to answer 'maybe' or 'no' to as well, that the best way to do so was to ask a series of no-doubt questions that required simple 'yes' answers, and then throw in the 'iffy' question.  Much more often than not, the folks'd get in a 'rhythm' and give me a yes there as well.

No BS.  Establish a rapport with the witness, get them used to the fact that you both see things the same way on a lot of issues, and then lead them over into contested waters.  Once people get used to agreeing with someone, they usually will look for a way to continue to agree with that person rather than looking for room to quibble.  Doesn't always work - especially if the witness is adverse - but for people with no real dog in the fight it's a useful strategy. 
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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2012, 10:02:30 pm »
No BS.  Establish a rapport with the witness, get them used to the fact that you both see things the same way on a lot of issues, and then lead them over into contested waters.  Once people get used to agreeing with someone, they usually will look for a way to continue to agree with that person rather than looking for room to quibble.  Doesn't always work - especially if the witness is adverse - but for people with no real dog in the fight it's a useful strategy. 

My favorite depo question/answer has always been:

Q. Please state your name.
A. No.

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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2012, 09:38:47 am »
No BS.  Establish a rapport with the witness, get them used to the fact that you both see things the same way on a lot of issues, and then lead them over into contested waters.  Once people get used to agreeing with someone, they usually will look for a way to continue to agree with that person rather than looking for room to quibble. 

Though, I wasn't really all that good at it. That's kind of like the approach I took to selling advertising.
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« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2012, 10:01:20 am »
My favorite depo question/answer has always been:

Q. Please state your name.
A. No.

I just about fell out of my chair laughing. Don't know why, but that always cracks me up.

That's pretty good.  The most obnoxious I've had is deposing a CEO and he claimed not to recognize an email I put in front of him because he "usually looks at email on a computer and this is a printed piece of paper." 
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« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2012, 02:05:41 pm »
Pettitte has never been known as a thinker or wordsmith, as was evidenced in the earlier testimony.  How the Feds thought his muddled thinking would stand up to a pretty decent country lawyer this time around is a tribute to the regard they have for your tax dollars in bringing this horse shit show to trial.

Pretty much sums it up.  DQ stung their ego, so the DOJ lashes out in a sloppy and unfocused manner!  An entire arm of the federal government acting like 6-year-olds.
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« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2012, 02:13:08 pm »
That's pretty good.  The most obnoxious I've had is deposing a CEO and he claimed not to recognize an email I put in front of him because he "usually looks at email on a computer and this is a printed piece of paper." 

I hope that you had a little fun with him later in the deposition.
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« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2012, 02:33:29 pm »
I hope that you had a little fun with him later in the deposition.

Lots of fun.  When I was preparing I expected a 45 minute to an hour depo tops.  After he pulled that shit on exhibit 1, it quickly turned into a very long, very tedious day for him.
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« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2012, 03:44:35 pm »
Snippet from [Astros team Dr.] Litner's testimony today in the Clemens trial: TJ Quinn Twitter LINK

Lintner on cross: "Frankly I don't like baseball."
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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2012, 12:41:45 pm »
I haven't followed this very closely, but is Clemens disputing the claim that McNamee gave him shots in the ass, or does he admit that, but says he didn't know what was in the syringe?   

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« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2012, 01:05:18 pm »
I haven't followed this very closely, but is Clemens disputing the claim that McNamee gave him shots in the ass, or does he admit that, but says he didn't know what was in the syringe?    

Clemens hasn't denied (to my recollection) that McNamee repeatedly inserted a foreign object into his ass...  (says it was B-12 and Lydocaine injections).  

Correspondingly, since Clemens has never denied at any time that Andy Pettitte used to pitch while he caught, it is a undeniable fact that Pettitte repeatedly shot stuff into Roger Clemen's ass...  [/PedroGomezLogic]
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« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2012, 01:18:57 pm »
I loved this part:

"The day began with lawyers and Judge Walton discussing concerns that the trial might lose its third juror for possibly nodding off during testimony. The judge has sent home two jurors for sleeping."

Apparently the trial is about as exciting as the Philosopher's World Cup

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« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2012, 01:31:58 pm »
I loved this part:

"The day began with lawyers and Judge Walton discussing concerns that the trial might lose its third juror for possibly nodding off during testimony. The judge has sent home two jurors for sleeping."

Apparently the trial is about as exciting as the Philosopher's World Cup



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« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2012, 01:33:25 pm »
I like the Clemens legal team's use of the old "did you stop beating your wife" logic.
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« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2012, 01:47:41 pm »
Apparently the trial is about as exciting as the Philosopher's World Cup

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« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2012, 01:55:07 pm »
Apparently the trial is about as exciting as the Philosopher's World Cup

In fairness, the first juror dismissed was a chronically unemployed narcoleptic (hadn't worked since 2002) who noted in voir dire that he'd rather be home sleeping...  Just sayin'...
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« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2012, 03:17:46 pm »
Its Day 2 into the defense case.  Scrap Iron is in the building and may take the stand today (or certainly tomorrow).  If you're curious, you can tag on to this list of reporters 'live-tweeting' from the 'press-room' (closed circuit tv).  Twitter LIST

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« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2012, 04:02:31 pm »
if i remembner correctly that mr p used to be big into church going
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« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2012, 11:33:00 am »
Prosecution now questioning Garner based on 'quotes' from JdJO articles... I'm at a loss for words...
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« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2012, 12:23:09 pm »
Prosecution now questioning Garner based on 'quotes' from JdJO articles... I'm at a loss for words...

Did Garner say "JdJO?  He's a cocksucking little worm"?
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« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2012, 12:40:58 pm »
Did Garner say "JdJO?  He's a cocksucking little worm"?

If he didn't, he perjured himself.
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« Reply #38 on: June 06, 2012, 11:04:59 am »
I'm pretty sure that I'm the only one who cares around here... but... Brian McNamee's wife will be on the stand today in the Clemens trial.  High risk / (potentially) high reward witness.  It'll be very interesting to see how this plays out...  (My Twitter list LINK)
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« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2012, 11:57:34 am »
Commentary from Jim Baumbach Twitter feed regarding back and forth between Judge and Hardin. WOW!

They're still going point-by-point over issues Hardin wants to ask Eileen McNamee about regarding Clemens' chief accuser. It's a long list.

"I don't know how y'all practice law down in Texas," judge says. Hardin got mad, "same as anywhere else." Judge now yells!

"Just as you can get mad, I can get mad, too." Says don't look at me like you are trying to intimidate me. Hardin is staring right at judge.

Hardin breaks his stare, says, "Can we start over? Your honor, can we start over?" Judge pauses, looks away, "yes," and they move on. Wow.


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« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2012, 03:28:39 pm »
The showdown has been a source of mirth in my office today.  Rusty of all people should know not to eyeball a federal judge, and considering Rusty is generally a kill-them-with-kindness kind of advocate on the surface I'm surprised he got into it at all.  I'm even more surprised, however, that the judge actually apologized.
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« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2012, 11:17:09 am »
Now that is a LOT of resources to go through and basically have a case that lives and dies on the credibility of Brian McNamee...

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« Reply #42 on: June 12, 2012, 02:40:12 pm »
Closing arguments are done.  I've no clue what the jury will do, but without comment on whether or not Roger Clemens actually took steroids or HGH, IMO the case against him for perjury/obstruction of justice basically comes down to whether or not the jury believes beyond a reasonable doubt that McNamee was telling the truth.  FWIW, defense has done a pretty legit job of showing that McNamee is a piece of crap scumbag...  [Although defense witnesses were not allowed to testify about the 2001 St. Pete rape allegation and related 'evidence tampering/destruction' surrounding McNamee (though they could allude to 'a serious event involving McNamee in 2001)]. 

Based on what I've seen of the evidence:  I'd say the verdict should be 'Not guilty'.

What the actual verdict will be: I've NO clue...

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« Reply #43 on: June 12, 2012, 02:41:28 pm »
I'm beyond a reasonable doubt that all involved are scumbags.
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« Reply #44 on: June 12, 2012, 02:43:29 pm »
I'm beyond a reasonable doubt that all involved are scumbags.

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« Reply #45 on: June 12, 2012, 02:56:03 pm »
[Although defense witnesses were not allowed to testify about the 2001 St. Pete rape allegation and related 'evidence tampering/destruction' surrounding McNamee (though they could allude to 'a serious event involving McNamee in 2001)]. 


But they were allowed to testify about that incident in a very vague "something very bad happened" manner which is always a treat for everyone involved.
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« Reply #46 on: June 12, 2012, 03:10:45 pm »
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« Reply #47 on: June 12, 2012, 03:47:45 pm »
I'm beyond a reasonable doubt that all involved are scumbags.
Amen to that. It's hilarious to me that the case revolves around the defense trying to throw McNamee's character into question. Of course the man is a shady low-life scumbag! He's a steroid dealer! What did they expect?
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« Reply #48 on: June 12, 2012, 04:39:48 pm »
Amen to that. It's hilarious to me that the case revolves around the defense trying to throw McNamee's character into question. Of course the man is a shady low-life scumbag! He's a steroid dealer! What did they expect?

I'm with OSF. From what I've followed, which has consisted of tweets from a guy in the courtroom, he gets off and it shouldn't take long for the jury  to decide the case.
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« Reply #49 on: June 12, 2012, 07:32:26 pm »
I'm with OSF. From what I've followed, which has consisted of tweets from a guy in the courtroom, he gets off and it shouldn't take long for the jury  to decide the case.
Which sucks, because I'm sure he'll use it as an opportunity to go "See? I told you I never did steroids!," when really he has not been "proven innocent" any more than Ryan Braun was.

But sounds like you guys are probably right, unless the DNA evidence was damning enough for the jury to look past McNamee's scumbaginess.
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« Reply #50 on: June 12, 2012, 07:34:29 pm »
He'll get off on all counts except the one about saying that he wasn't at Canseco's house. The judge isn't very fond of that count anyway, so I suspect there won't be much of a sentence involved. Unless he's backed into a corner by mandatory sentencing guidelines; what's the scoop there?
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« Reply #51 on: June 12, 2012, 07:38:36 pm »
He'll get off on all counts except the one about saying that he wasn't at Canseco's house. The judge isn't very fond of that count anyway, so I suspect there won't be much of a sentence involved. Unless he's backed into a corner by mandatory sentencing guidelines; what's the scoop there?

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« Reply #52 on: June 12, 2012, 07:59:23 pm »
But sounds like you guys are probably right, unless the DNA evidence was damning enough for the jury to look past McNamee's scumbaginess.

I'll admit that the 'DNA evidence' is one of those parts of the case that I am not objective about.  Throw a couple of needles in a beer can. Throw it in a FedEx box. Throw other misc. stuff in the box from various people.  Add a piece of gauze to the mix that could've been thrown in there at any time.  I've never been able to look at it as more than a bunch of evidenciary crap...
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« Reply #53 on: June 12, 2012, 08:08:02 pm »
I'll admit that the 'DNA evidence' is one of those parts of the case that I am not objective about.

Were you on the OJ jury?
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« Reply #54 on: June 12, 2012, 08:46:54 pm »
Were you on the OJ jury?

Nice... but no...
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« Reply #55 on: June 18, 2012, 03:15:54 pm »
Verdict is in.
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« Reply #56 on: June 18, 2012, 03:19:27 pm »
Verdict is in.


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« Reply #57 on: June 18, 2012, 03:19:36 pm »
Verdict is in.

That was very fast. It must favor Drama Queen.
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« Reply #58 on: June 18, 2012, 03:40:19 pm »
That was very fast. It must favor Drama Queen.

If he pulls a hammy going back into the courtroom, we'll know he's expecting bad news.
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« Reply #59 on: June 18, 2012, 03:45:11 pm »
If he pulls a hammy going back into the courtroom, we'll know he's expecting bad news.

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« Reply #60 on: June 18, 2012, 03:47:50 pm »
Not guilty on all counts.
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« Reply #61 on: June 18, 2012, 03:47:54 pm »
Not guilty on all counts.
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« Reply #62 on: June 18, 2012, 03:51:45 pm »
A JURY OF HIS PEERS HAS RULED THAT BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT CLEMENS NEVER TOOK STEROIDS OR HGH.
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« Reply #63 on: June 18, 2012, 03:53:27 pm »
A JURY OF HIS PEERS HAS RULED THAT BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT CLEMENS NEVER TOOK STEROIDS OR HGH.

Wow. Such hyperbole is probably how Clemens, Inc. will spin the verdict.
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« Reply #64 on: June 18, 2012, 03:53:47 pm »
A JURY OF HIS PEERS HAS RULED THAT BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT CLEMENS NEVER TOOK STEROIDS OR HGH.

You know thats how Rajah and Rusty will spin it.
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« Reply #65 on: June 18, 2012, 03:55:16 pm »
I'm surprised it hasn't been said yet.
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« Reply #66 on: June 18, 2012, 03:56:50 pm »
What a monumental waste of time and money.

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« Reply #67 on: June 18, 2012, 03:58:33 pm »
What a monumental waste of time and money.

To everyone but Rusty and the rest of the defense team.  I'm sure Clemens isn't feeling much buyer's remorse either now that he's "vindicated."
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What a monumental waste of time and money.

Estimated $2-3M for the gov't.
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« Reply #69 on: June 18, 2012, 04:02:56 pm »
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« Reply #70 on: June 18, 2012, 04:04:29 pm »
Estimated $2-3M for the gov't.

That's the cost of what...three or four hammers and a couple of screwdrivers?
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« Reply #71 on: June 18, 2012, 04:05:46 pm »
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« Reply #72 on: June 18, 2012, 04:09:38 pm »
That's the cost of what...three or four hammers and a couple of screwdrivers?

Boehner and Pelosi spend that much on tanning salons and plastic surgery annually.

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« Reply #73 on: June 18, 2012, 04:12:41 pm »
Estimated $2-3M for the gov't.

Don't forget the plea bargain for the accusesd rapist (McNamee) to testify against DQ.  It may not be financial but it still has a cost.
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« Reply #74 on: June 18, 2012, 04:16:37 pm »
That's the cost of what...three or four hammers and a couple of screwdrivers?

Or the cost of small cancer research group for a couple of years.

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« Reply #75 on: June 18, 2012, 04:17:51 pm »
now that clemens is on his way to sainthood..and as is innocent as a lamb maybe we can take away the fact that wealth and fame had nothing to do with buying the verdict
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« Reply #76 on: June 18, 2012, 04:59:06 pm »
now that clemens is on his way to sainthood..and as is innocent as a lamb maybe we can take away the fact that wealth and fame had nothing to do with buying the verdict

Do you really think that's what happened?

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« Reply #77 on: June 18, 2012, 05:45:29 pm »
Do you really think that's what happened?

Arrgh! You subjected me to her post.
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« Reply #78 on: June 18, 2012, 06:07:27 pm »
Arrgh! You subjected me to her post.

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« Reply #79 on: June 18, 2012, 11:39:05 pm »
Arrgh! You subjected me to her post.

Which was neither offensive, nor funny, nor pertinent, nor relevant, nor interesting ... to any degree.

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« Reply #80 on: June 19, 2012, 12:47:17 am »
Which was neither offensive, nor funny, nor pertinent, nor relevant, nor interesting ... to any degree.

The devil knows ... the greatest evil of all, is banality.

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« Reply #81 on: June 19, 2012, 10:30:46 am »
The devil knows ... the greatest evil of all, is banality.

Top of my list too. Genocide, pedophilia, etc. are way overrated in the evil department.
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« Reply #82 on: June 19, 2012, 07:46:52 pm »
Which was neither offensive, nor funny, nor pertinent, nor relevant, nor interesting ... to any degree.

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Well, maybe a small degree of relevance.
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« Reply #83 on: June 19, 2012, 09:07:51 pm »
Well, maybe a small degree of relevance.

You're being mighty generous tonight, SD.
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