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Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« on: December 06, 2011, 10:13:45 am »
I am moving to a new house and need some help. I currently have Dish Network and I am not married to it. I had it because where I live we had a pretty crappy cable company that only offered 4 or so HD channels (hyperbole). I am moving to an area where I can get Dish Network, Directv, Comcast, or U-Verse.

The biggest downfall of DishNetwork is that I can't get my internet through them. I am not dissatisfied with anything else they offer.

So, men and women of SnS, what say you? Is U-Verse the way to go? Comcast? DirecTV? Or stick with Dish Network?
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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2011, 10:14:38 am »
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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2011, 10:18:04 am »
I am moving to a new house and need some help. I currently have Dish Network and I am not married to it. I had it because where I live we had a pretty crappy cable company that only offered 4 or so HD channels (hyperbole). I am moving to an area where I can get Dish Network, Directv, Comcast, or U-Verse.

The biggest downfall of DishNetwork is that I can't get my internet through them. I am not dissatisfied with anything else they offer.

So, men and women of SnS, what say you? Is U-Verse the way to go? Comcast? DirecTV? Or stick with Dish Network?

Love DirecTV.  Love it.  For internet, we have AT&T's dry-loop DSL Service.

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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2011, 10:21:50 am »
Big U-Verse fan, although I've had some signal problems lately.  Customer service is actually good.
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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2011, 10:27:45 am »
DirecTV, DirecTV, DirecTV.  Stick with DSL for internet.  Satellite internet sucks, I'd only recommend it if you have no other options.

More important questions:  To where are you moving?  Will you have your own brewery?  When is the first party?
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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2011, 10:42:01 am »
Love DirecTV.  Love it.  For internet, we have AT&T's dry-loop DSL Service.

Can you elaborate on dry-loop DSL?  I have no issues going back to DishNetwork as I just about done with Uverse and their b.s. service issues here in Houston.  We had the opposite experience in Austin, where service was awesome.  They have been a complete disappointment since we moved. 
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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2011, 10:44:04 am »
Can you elaborate on dry-loop DSL?  I have no issues going back to DishNetwork as I just about done with Uverse and their b.s. service issues here in Houston.  We had the opposite experience in Austin, where service was awesome.  They have been a complete disappointment since we moved. 

Dry-loop = DSL without an associated land line account (no home phone number).  But you have to ask specifically for it, because they'll do everything in their power to keep from selling it to you.

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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2011, 10:46:29 am »
DirecTV, DirecTV, DirecTV.  Stick with DSL for internet.  Satellite internet sucks, I'd only recommend it if you have no other options.

More important questions:  To where are you moving?  Will you have your own brewery?  When is the first party?

We are moving back into town, around Kirby/San Felipe area. I will still have what small brewery I have now, which is a couple of pots and burners and a fermenter or two. The first party will be whenever you show up, I guess.
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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2011, 10:57:18 am »
I am moving to a new house and need some help. I currently have Dish Network and I am not married to it. I had it because where I live we had a pretty crappy cable company that only offered 4 or so HD channels (hyperbole). I am moving to an area where I can get Dish Network, Directv, Comcast, or U-Verse.

The biggest downfall of DishNetwork is that I can't get my internet through them. I am not dissatisfied with anything else they offer.

So, men and women of SnS, what say you? Is U-Verse the way to go? Comcast? DirecTV? Or stick with Dish Network?

After a horrible couple years with Comcast, I switched to the same set-up as Andy (DirecTV and dry loop ATT DSL) and was very pleased. I didn't have internet problems with either provider, but the DirecTV television services are significantly better.

I am also moving, but switching to UVerse. DirecTV is letting me hang on to my old box for six months in case I change my mind. If I do go back, they'll treat it like a normal move. No charge for new set up, no new contract. Their customer service throughout couldn't have been better.

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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2011, 11:01:55 am »
After a horrible couple years with Comcast, I switched to the same set-up as Andy (DirecTV and dry loop ATT DSL) and was very pleased. I didn't have internet problems with either provider, but the DirecTV television services are significantly better.

I am also moving, but switching to UVerse. DirecTV is letting me hang on to my old box for six months in case I change my mind. If I do go back, they'll treat it like a normal move. No charge for new set up, no new contract. Their customer service throughout couldn't have been better.

Because they know you'll be pissed after the three rescheduled installation dates, lost transfers, etc... that you will experience with Uverse.
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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2011, 11:05:52 am »
Because they know you'll be pissed after the three rescheduled installation dates, lost transfers, etc... that you will experience with Uverse.

I've never had this issue at all with them.  Next day technician on the occasions I've had any problem, showed up when agreed, problem resolved immediately.
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2011, 11:10:05 am »
I've never had this issue at all with them.  Next day technician on the occasions I've had any problem, showed up when agreed, problem resolved immediately.


My problem with U-Verse is signal quality.  Every now and again the TV feed will go through spurts where the sound cuts in and out intermittently for thirty to sixty seconds at a time.
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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2011, 11:13:06 am »

My problem with U-Verse is signal quality.  Every now and again the TV feed will go through spurts where the sound cuts in and out intermittently for thirty to sixty seconds at a time.

Call them and they'll run a line test for your signal strength.  I had the same thing recently and they replaced the coax connectors.  Problem solved.
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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2011, 11:20:41 am »

My problem with U-Verse is signal quality.  Every now and again the TV feed will go through spurts where the sound cuts in and out intermittently for thirty to sixty seconds at a time.

My TV signal disappears entirely.  They test and tell me it's my problem.  Meanwhile, rebooting the box fixes the problem, while no other TV experiences the problem (i.e. I have signal).  Then the other boxes flake out, one at a time.  At no time do I lose DSL or phone.  We had the contractor Technicial come out, he confirmed our cable (which is new, btw) confirm it is NOT our problem, that it is an equipment problem.  The corporate folks insist it is not.  Who would you trust? 

I should mention, they lost our order THREE times.  That is not a typo.  Then, they jacked up our carpet rather than install cable on a different wall (which would have been easier than pulling up the carpet) for which I received a $250 bill for "special installation".   They also lost our original equipment, which they had us ship back after enough complaints, and we received a bill for $500 for un-returned equipment. 

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« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2011, 01:02:47 pm »
I have Comcast, and it blows.  Unbelievably pricey and, while the HD offerings aren't bad, there's a lot of holes in it (no Comedy Central HD, no Padma Bravo HD).  "Our" area doesn't even have access to the channel lineup they advertise as the "Xfinity" service is not yet available...in Houston...inside the Loop.  Fuck Comcast.

I have yet to see a satellite installation where the signal doesn't go out in (varying degrees of) bad weather.

Mrs Limey-to-be 2.0 has U-Verse and the channel line up plus 4-channel DVR is great.  They also have the whole-house DVR solution whereas Comcast's is per TV.  She does get a signal breakup on rare occasions and AT&T fucked up her billing for the first couple of months.

From what I know, I'd jump at U-Verse if it was available on my street.  Which it isn't.  :/
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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2011, 01:06:16 pm »
 They also have the whole-house DVR solution whereas Comcast's is per TV.  She does get a signal breakup on rare occasions and AT&T fucked up her billing for the first couple of months.


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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2011, 01:08:43 pm »
Not having whole-home DVR is barbaric

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« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2011, 01:14:35 pm »
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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2011, 01:44:39 pm »
Did I miss the official announcement, or is this how the kids do it nowadays? Either way, congratulations.

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« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2011, 01:49:02 pm »
All the cool kids are friends with Limey on Facebook.

That would explain my ignorance.
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« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2011, 01:54:11 pm »
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« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2011, 01:56:14 pm »
I could go on a seperate rant about Facebook, but I will spare everyone.  

One thing...you know they don't even let you delete the fucking account??  My wife deactivated mine (because I could not figure out how to do so).  Deactivated.  Username and password still exist in case you decide to come back.  Fuckers.

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« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2011, 02:33:18 pm »
I have yet to see a satellite installation where the signal doesn't go out in (varying degrees of) bad weather.

You sound like chuck and his ATT signal.  I've had DirecTV for over 10 years.  It's gone out maybe three times, once during Hurricane Ike.  It goes out WAY less than cable or the internet does...like once every 5 years, for maybe 20 minutes. 
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« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2011, 02:46:28 pm »
You sound like chuck and his ATT signal.  I've had DirecTV for over 10 years.  It's gone out maybe three times, once during Hurricane Ike.  It goes out WAY less than cable or the internet does...like once every 5 years, for maybe 20 minutes. 

Properly installed and aligned satellite equipment just doesn't have rain fade problems.  This was a problem 8-10 years ago.  Not so much any more.

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« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2011, 02:57:14 pm »
Properly installed and aligned satellite equipment just doesn't have rain fade problems.  This was a problem 8-10 years ago.  Not so much any more.

Mine must not be properly installed, because this is the one issue I do have with it.
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« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2011, 03:01:10 pm »
I have Comcast, and it blows.  Unbelievably pricey and, while the HD offerings aren't bad, there's a lot of holes in it (no Comedy Central HD, no Padma Bravo HD).  "Our" area doesn't even have access to the channel lineup they advertise as the "Xfinity" service is not yet available...in Houston...inside the Loop.  Fuck Comcast.

I have yet to see a satellite installation where the signal doesn't go out in (varying degrees of) bad weather.

Mrs Limey-to-be 2.0 has U-Verse and the channel line up plus 4-channel DVR is great.  They also have the whole-house DVR solution whereas Comcast's is per TV.  She does get a signal breakup on rare occasions and AT&T fucked up her billing for the first couple of months.

From what I know, I'd jump at U-Verse if it was available on my street.  Which it isn't.  :/

Double check the Xfinity.  I'm barely inside the loop, but I am and it is available as of today at my apartment complex.
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« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2011, 03:03:42 pm »
Mine must not be properly installed, because this is the one issue I do have with it.

More likely the alignment, and the dishes do move over time, but DTV can fix that for you.

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« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2011, 03:14:38 pm »
I have Comcast, and it blows.  Unbelievably pricey and, while the HD offerings aren't bad, there's a lot of holes in it (no Comedy Central HD, no Padma Bravo HD).  "Our" area doesn't even have access to the channel lineup they advertise as the "Xfinity" service is not yet available...in Houston...inside the Loop.  Fuck Comcast.

Agreed on all points, however, we did (Sugar Land) finally get the "new" HD channels you mentioned above about a month ago, at least 9 months after they showed up online in the program guide.

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« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2011, 03:15:07 pm »
Mine must not be properly installed, because this is the one issue I do have with it.

Like Andy says, it's probably moved out of alignment slightly, if it was aligned properly in the first place.  Not only does it have to be aligned to the satellites, the signal has to be dithered properly to minimize signal loss over all your channels.
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« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2011, 03:17:24 pm »
sigh does that mean i am not cool because i am not on facebook or friends?
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« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2011, 03:19:18 pm »
sigh does that mean i am not cool because i am not on facebook or friends?

Yes.  Yes it does.
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« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2011, 03:44:09 pm »
I could go on a seperate rant about Facebook, but I will spare everyone.  

One thing...you know they don't even let you delete the fucking account??  My wife deactivated mine (because I could not figure out how to do so).  Deactivated.  Username and password still exist in case you decide to come back.  Fuckers.

OK, now I will spare everyone.

I think they actually do delete your account after it's been deactivated and inactive for two weeks.  But yeah, it's shady.

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« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2011, 10:33:38 am »
sigh does that mean i am not cool because i am not on facebook or friends?

I'd start a list of why, but I don't have infinite time to write it.
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« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2011, 12:35:52 pm »
Double check the Xfinity.  I'm barely inside the loop, but I am and it is available as of today at my apartment complex.

In have.  Not 'til February at the earliest.
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« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2011, 08:34:40 pm »
I'd start a list of why, but I don't have infinite time to write it.

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« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2011, 12:29:30 pm »
Now that the latest season of Dexter came to an (unsatisfactory) end, I am dumping my all movie channels as it is a lot of money for very little - and they're bundled so that it's really all or nothing if you want to save any meaningful cash.  In reviewing my choices, I discovered that:

Comcast offers XFinity, but not at my location
Comcast offers AnyRoom DVR, but not at my location
The above are subject to separate equipment upgrades that won't happen until some time in 2012...maybe
U-Verse can supply high-speed internet, up to 6mb/s down, but not TV service at my location
AT&T can't tell me if and when TV service will be available at my location


My zip code is 77098.  I'm not in the sticks here, people!  This is really, really ridiculous and annoying.

I hate them both.  I have to use one.  I cannot decide which one I want to tell to go fuck themselves more.
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« Reply #36 on: December 20, 2011, 12:49:22 pm »
Now that the latest season of Dexter came to an (unsatisfactory) end, I am dumping my all movie channels as it is a lot of money for very little - and they're bundled so that it's really all or nothing if you want to save any meaningful cash.  In reviewing my choices, I discovered that:

Comcast offers XFinity, but not at my location
Comcast offers AnyRoom DVR, but not at my location
The above are subject to separate equipment upgrades that won't happen until some time in 2012...maybe
U-Verse can supply high-speed internet, up to 6mb/s down, but not TV service at my location
AT&T can't tell me if and when TV service will be available at my location


My zip code is 77098.  I'm not in the sticks here, people!  This is really, really ridiculous and annoying.

I hate them both.  I have to use one.  I cannot decide which one I want to tell to go fuck themselves more.

Apple doesn't have TV service yet?

Seriously, tell them both to go fuck themselves, then sign up for the cheapest one.  Nothing says "Go fuck yourself" like a 2-year service commitment.
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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #37 on: December 20, 2011, 12:49:57 pm »
Now that the latest season of Dexter came to an (unsatisfactory) end, I am dumping my all movie channels as it is a lot of money for very little - and they're bundled so that it's really all or nothing if you want to save any meaningful cash.  In reviewing my choices, I discovered that:

Comcast offers XFinity, but not at my location
Comcast offers AnyRoom DVR, but not at my location
The above are subject to separate equipment upgrades that won't happen until some time in 2012...maybe
U-Verse can supply high-speed internet, up to 6mb/s down, but not TV service at my location
AT&T can't tell me if and when TV service will be available at my location


My zip code is 77098.  I'm not in the sticks here, people!  This is really, really ridiculous and annoying.

I hate them both.  I have to use one.  I cannot decide which one I want to tell to go fuck themselves more.

Any explanation for the demarcation between available and not?  I live a few blocks directly south of you, and xfinity is available in my area but not ATT.  Xfinity doesn't seem anything to write home about though, if it eases the frustration to hear.

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« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2011, 12:57:12 pm »
Has anyone gone completely cable-less? We're pretty much in that process, just deciding which devices and services to get set up before getting rid of Comcast altogether.  We have a roku and an AppleTV device (which is mostly useless except for Netflix), Netflix, Hulu+ and Playon, so we seem to be covered except for sports...

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« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2011, 01:02:13 pm »
Apple doesn't have TV service yet?

You can buy TV shows through iTunes, and you can rent them if you have an Apple TV 2.


Seriously, tell them both to go fuck themselves, then sign up for the cheapest one.  Nothing says "Go fuck yourself" like a 2-year service commitment.

Don't want to commit to Comcast in case U-Verse pops up soon.  Don't want to keep paying full price for Comcast if U-Verse is not coming any time soon.  Rock...hard place.
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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2011, 01:05:24 pm »
Any explanation for the demarcation between available and not?  I live a few blocks directly south of you, and xfinity is available in my area but not ATT.  Xfinity doesn't seem anything to write home about though, if it eases the frustration to hear.

I was told that XFinity would be available at my address last September...then next February.  It's not a huge upgrade, but it includes HD version of channels I watch a lot that everyone else gets except me.

More important to the enjoyment of the service is the whole house DVR solution.  I cannot for the life of me understand why this requires a hardware upgrade outside of my home.  I have been told that AnyRoom DVR and XFinity are separate issues and are not part of the same equipment upgrade.  Why the fuck not?  Comcast really sucks.
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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2011, 01:05:41 pm »
Has anyone gone completely cable-less? We're pretty much in that process, just deciding which devices and services to get set up before getting rid of Comcast altogether.  We have a roku and an AppleTV device (which is mostly useless except for Netflix), Netflix, Hulu+ and Playon, so we seem to be covered except for sports...

I am completely cable-less.  I am in Austin, so I get all the networks over the air (for free).  My internet is through AT&T, so I get ESPN3, which gives me almost everything they show on ESPN.  (Notable exceptions: Monday Night Football; I feel like I get their Wed and Sun night baseball games, but I've never actually watched them.)  My Blu-Ray player has wireless so I can stream Netflix.  You don't get daily baseball games, which kind of sucks, but other than that I can see almost everything I want online (legally).
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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2011, 01:07:02 pm »
Has anyone gone completely cable-less? We're pretty much in that process, just deciding which devices and services to get set up before getting rid of Comcast altogether.  We have a roku and an AppleTV device (which is mostly useless except for Netflix), Netflix, Hulu+ and Playon, so we seem to be covered except for sports...

I am right now, but I still have broadband through Verizon Fios. I'll think about DirectTV once baseball season starts up again.

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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2011, 01:12:29 pm »
Has anyone gone completely cable-less? We're pretty much in that process, just deciding which devices and services to get set up before getting rid of Comcast altogether.  We have a roku and an AppleTV device (which is mostly useless except for Netflix), Netflix, Hulu+ and Playon, so we seem to be covered except for sports...

This is the true "go fuck yourself" option.  I'd still need high-speed internet from someone*, so that I can rent/buy TV shows from iTunes, and then I can watch HD network TV over the air and capture network TV shows on my Mac.  I do worry about the user-friendliness of such a set-up and the time lag for shows (next day at the earliest for iTunes content).


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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2011, 01:32:18 pm »
AT&T told me that the availability of U-Verse internet - which I now have - is a precursor to the full TV/phone/internet package within 6-12 months.  Comcast and AT&T are now in a race to to roll out a whole home DVR service to my house - winner takes all.
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« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2011, 01:35:52 pm »
I do worry about the user-friendliness of such a set-up and the time lag for shows (next day at the earliest for iTunes content).

The user friendly part takes some getting used to, and remembering which shows are where (like NBC shows are on Hulu+ and CBS shows on Playon, etc) takes some research.  As far as lag, we figure if we have to watch Big Bang Theory (for example) on Friday night instead of Thursday, no big whoop.

I think these devices are stop gaps for whatever the real, final techology wlll be--sort of like those of us in the mid 90s who dropped the internet bundling services like Compuserver for the brave new world of unfiltered internet.


To nonsequitor, on the Roku for a short time I had a channel from Tblisi in Georgia dialed in--I really like watching foreign tv for some reason;  it was interesting that the consolation prize on their version of Wheel of Fortune (Lucky Wheel!) was a basket with a loaf of bread and two dozen eggs and a bottle of vodka...you just can't get shit of that quality on cable.
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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2011, 01:39:22 pm »
I think these devices are stop gaps for whatever the real, final techology wlll be--sort of like those of us in the mid 90s who dropped the internet bundling services like Compuserver for the brave new world of unfiltered internet.

Steve Jobs may yet offer us "one more thing": an Apple-based, Siri-driven, HDTV.  I'll be in my bunk.
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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2011, 03:11:05 pm »
Steve Jobs may yet offer us "one more thing": an Apple-based, Siri-driven, HDTV.  I'll be in my bunk.
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« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2011, 03:15:32 pm »
Steve Jobs may yet offer us "one more thing": an Apple-based, Siri-driven, HDTV.  I'll be in my bunk.

A siri-driven tv would be pretty incredible, but only if it realized that my commands, and not my wife's or my childrens', had priority.
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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2011, 06:20:30 pm »
After 10 years of having Time Warner overlook the fact that my house in Austin was still connected to their network, even after canceling service, they finally caught on and disconnected my service wire at their pedestal. So for 10 years I had free basic cable (which included FOXSW, ESPN1, ESPN2, AMC, TBS, TNT, FX...etc.), then about a month ago - gone.

So far I'm getting by fine. I like Netflix, also you can watch shows on nbc.com, abc.com. fox.com, and cbs.com. And there's also those foreign sights that might be sketchy without a real good anti virus program but you can watch HBO shows, Showtime shows..., and sights like justin.tv are good for soprts. I still get free basic cable (for now) at the Slack Shack via service wire left connected at the pole, and I'm there most weekends.

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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #50 on: January 27, 2012, 02:16:00 pm »
Any explanation for the demarcation between available and not?  I live a few blocks directly south of you, and xfinity is available in my area but not ATT.  Xfinity doesn't seem anything to write home about though, if it eases the frustration to hear.

Revisiting an ongoing irritation, I just sent Comcast the following missive:


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I am a very long term customer of Comcast - ever since you took over from Time Warner in Houston (I was a long term Time Warner customer before that).  I have always preferred cable over satellite due to the consistency of service, the availability of a bundled high-speed internet service and the simplicity of installation (no dish required).  However, recently, I have become acutely aware that I am getting inferior service by even Comcast's standards, let alone what is available from your competitors.  Most notably:

1)  I do not yet have the full Xfinity channel line-up despite paying the same as your other customers in Houston who receive many more digital / HD channels than I (including many which are my most watched channels e.g. Comedy Central and Bravo);
2)  The promised Xfinity channel lineup does not include the Fox Soccer in HD, nor Fox Soccer Plus at all; and
3)  There is no "whole house" DVR option, which I am told is a separate issue to the promised channel upgrade.

Recently, AT&T's U-Verse internet service became available at my home.  They contacted me (I have an existing home phone line with AT&T) to let me know that this is a precursor to the full U-Verse service being made available.  Their service offers the same advantages I prefer from Comcast, but with a whole house DVR solution, a 4-channel DVR, all the same channels on the Xfinity lineup plus Fox Soccer and Fox Soccer Plus - both in HD.

Can you please explain to me why I should not switch to U-Verse?


We'll see what that shakes loose.  I expect I'll get a call with an offer for a discount in return for a contract, at which point I will decline unless and until they provide the gaps in service I highlighted.  If U-Verse beats them to it, then...
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« Reply #51 on: January 27, 2012, 02:40:35 pm »
Revisiting an ongoing irritation, I just sent Comcast the following missive:



We'll see what that shakes loose.

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« Reply #52 on: January 27, 2012, 02:44:54 pm »
I expect them to replay "TL;DR"

That'd be fine.  I'll simply cancel internet service and go with U-Verse to get their attention.  They have had me over a barrel too long - it's time to start beating them upside the head with the competition.
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« Reply #53 on: January 27, 2012, 02:52:39 pm »
That'd be fine.  I'll simply cancel internet service and go with U-Verse to get their attention.  They have had me over a barrel too long - it's time to start beating them upside the head with the competition.

You need to just go to the competition and stop trying to get blood from a rock.
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« Reply #54 on: January 27, 2012, 03:10:11 pm »
You need to just go to the competition and stop trying to get blood from a rock.

U-Verse TV not available yet.  Just doing some bear-baiting before I jump.
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« Reply #55 on: January 27, 2012, 03:11:46 pm »
U-Verse TV not available yet.  Just doing some bear-baiting before I jump.

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« Reply #56 on: January 27, 2012, 03:40:40 pm »
"Go away! Baitin!"

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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #57 on: January 27, 2012, 04:14:45 pm »
I am torn between enjoying the joke, and hatin' myself for knowing the reference.

I went with U-Verse for my internet and have been quite pleased. I will say, however, that it took them 4 tries and a myriad of phone calls while I was vacationing in the sun to get the installation completed. Gotta love the tech who shows up at 4:00 for a 4 hour job then simply puts on the form "unable to access property" without making sure that the cameras in the security system were working. Real clear video of him entering the backyard, looking at the house, then walking back to his car.
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« Reply #58 on: January 27, 2012, 04:25:15 pm »
I went with U-Verse for my internet and have been quite pleased. I will say, however, that it took them 4 tries and a myriad of phone calls while I was vacationing in the sun to get the installation completed. Gotta love the tech who shows up at 4:00 for a 4 hour job then simply puts on the form "unable to access property" without making sure that the cameras in the security system were working. Real clear video of him entering the backyard, looking at the house, then walking back to his car.

Good to hear it.  Miss Limey had U-Verse at her apartment and all worked well, although her overriding frugality meant that she had the basic cable package without HD.

As an aside, the AT&T installer assured her that she could get HD, while connecting the box to the TV with the ol' red, white and yellow cables (I was there).  Those wascally AT&T installers...
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« Reply #59 on: January 28, 2012, 08:14:50 am »
As an aside, the AT&T installer assured her that she could get HD, while connecting the box to the TV with the ol' red, white and yellow cables (I was there).  Those wascally AT&T installers...

I'm not getting it.  I get HD with those A/V cables.  The installer is correct.
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« Reply #60 on: January 28, 2012, 09:27:07 am »
I'm not getting it.  I get HD with those A/V cables.  The installer is correct.

The installer is dead wrong.  The "yellow" cable indicates a composite video signal which has a maximum TV resolution of 480i, which is most certainly not HD or anything even remotely close to HD.  In terms of the four most common types of video connections, it is also the one with THE WORST signal quality. 

In order of increasing resolution/quality:

Composite (analog, up to 480i; "yellow" connector)
S-video (analog, up to 480i; round 4-pin connector)
Component (analog, up to 1080i/1080p; separate RGB connectors)
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ETA - the ONLY possible excuse for using the yellow/red/white composite cable is if all three connectors (including the red/white audio) are plugged into the RGB component connections.  Both composite and component use RCA connectors so it is possible to interchange them, and the color coding doesn't serve any technical purpose that I'm aware of.  Then a separate audio cable (digital coax, TOSLINK, or just another red/white pair) would be connected to the audio output.  It's lazy but it's possible.
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« Reply #61 on: January 28, 2012, 09:59:10 am »
The installer is dead wrong.  The "yellow" cable indicates a composite video signal which has a maximum TV resolution of 480i, which is most certainly not HD or anything even remotely close to HD.  In terms of the four most common types of video connections, it is also the one with THE WORST signal quality. 

I absolutely get HD with the yellow cable.  It's not as good as HDMI, but it's definitely there.
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« Reply #62 on: January 28, 2012, 10:37:18 am »
I absolutely get HD with the yellow cable.  It's not as good as HDMI, but it's definitely there.

You may get widescreen but it's not HD.

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« Reply #63 on: January 28, 2012, 10:52:02 am »
You may get widescreen but it's not HD.

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« Reply #64 on: January 28, 2012, 11:08:36 am »
I absolutely get HD with the yellow cable.  It's not as good as HDMI, but it's definitely there.

HD not via HDMI requires 5 cables, not 3. 
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« Reply #65 on: January 28, 2012, 12:32:17 pm »
If your paying for HD service you might as well spend the two bucks and get an hdmi cable so you can actually see it.
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« Reply #66 on: January 28, 2012, 01:18:59 pm »
You may get widescreen but it's not HD.

I'm sure you videophiles can easily spot the difference between 120Hz and 121Hz refresh rate while watching a test pattern. But I get a pretty good looking picture using the A/V cables.
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« Reply #67 on: January 28, 2012, 01:19:54 pm »
What would make you think the laws of physics apply to HH?

I have no doubt you'd turn your nose up to most things in my house.
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« Reply #68 on: January 28, 2012, 01:38:52 pm »
In that case, how much did you pay for your TV?  If it was a lot, can I have your TV and you can have mine?

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« Reply #69 on: January 28, 2012, 02:01:11 pm »
In that case, how much did you pay for your TV?  If it was a lot, can I have your TV and you can have mine?

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« Reply #70 on: January 28, 2012, 02:03:16 pm »
$139. When do you want to trade

Pass.

Back on the original topic - has Uverse gotten past their only-two-simultaneous-HD-shows-for-the-whole-home limitation yet?

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« Reply #71 on: January 28, 2012, 02:14:06 pm »
Back on the original topic - has Uverse gotten past their only-two-simultaneous-HD-shows-for-the-whole-home limitation yet?

We just added a second TV and, while it doesn't get much use, it appears to me that when something is recording its difficult to watch live TV on both sets.  I guess that's probably the limitation you speak of.  So, no.  No they haven't.
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« Reply #72 on: January 28, 2012, 02:22:37 pm »
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« Reply #73 on: January 28, 2012, 02:36:06 pm »
Here's the reply I got from Comcast.  I wasn't expecting much, but this one so misses the point as to have been a waste of their time as well as mine.  I have written back asking them to respond to my specific complaints, as they address none of them here.  I don't expect any joy, but I am curious to see whether anyone will put any brainpower to this, or whether I just get robo-responses (or nothing).

PS  I love how they tried to make it sound personal with the overuse of my name.  Just sad.

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Thank you for contacting Comcast Email Support.

We appreciate the time you took in sending us your concern regarding
your services. Thank you for bringing up this matter Limey. I
understand the importance of having this concern be addressed and I will
be providing you with relevant information that will help address your
concern in this e-mail response.

We know you have options to provide your family the bes services, so we
really appreciate that you choose to do business with us Limey. Though
the other providers offer lower rates of services, I can assure you that
XFINITY is the best and  has more capabilites and features that these
providers do not offer to customers like you.

See how XFINITY from Comcast compares to the competition. The link below
shows the comparison of XFINITY with U-Verse.

http://comcast.com/Corporate/Learn/Compare/comcast-vs-att-U-verse.html

I hope this has addressed your query today Limey.

Thank you for allowing me this opportunity to assist you Limey. I
appreciate you sharing with us your concerns as we continue to strive
for complete customer satisfaction. Thank you for choosing Comcast as
your service provider and we value your business. Please do not hesitate
to contact us again in the future, if you have any further questions or
concerns. Enjoy the rest of your day and have a safe week ahead.


Sincerely,

Catherine A
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« Reply #74 on: January 28, 2012, 02:43:52 pm »
I'm sure you videophiles can easily spot the difference between 120Hz and 121Hz refresh rate while watching a test pattern. But I get a pretty good looking picture using the A/V cables.

MusicMan was in similar denial about HD.  Once he got it...he got it.

Yes, the SD picture quality you're getting is fine.  But it's not the best, and as someone who watches sports on TV you are seriously short-changing yourself.

Also, FWIW, there is a very good reason why 120Hz is better than 60Hz, and it has nothing to do test card differences.  Hint, ask why a 120Hz TV doesn't champion it's 3:4 pulldown abilities while a 60Hz TV does.
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« Reply #75 on: January 28, 2012, 04:31:53 pm »
MusicMan was in similar denial about HD.  Once he got it...he got it.

Yes, the SD picture quality you're getting is fine.  But it's not the best, and as someone who watches sports on TV you are seriously short-changing yourself.

Oh I have numerous TVs with 1080i, HDMI, etc, etc.  I'm just saying the picture I get with the A/V cables is HD and isn't too bad.

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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #76 on: January 28, 2012, 11:37:28 pm »
Yes, the SD picture quality you're getting is fine.  But it's not the best, and as someone who watches sports on TV you are seriously short-changing yourself.

He has since said that his TV using composite video is $139.  It's probably not a good enough TV to notice much of a difference.

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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #77 on: January 29, 2012, 10:17:24 am »
Oh I have numerous TVs with 1080i, HDMI, etc, etc.  I'm just saying the picture I get with the A/V cables is HD and isn't too bad.



If you are using component cable (3video and 2 audio) you are getting an HD picture.  If you are using the old 1 (yellow) video and 2 (red and white) audio, you are not getting an HD picture. 

The advantage of HDMI is that it's a lot less complicated, and transports 6-channel audio. 
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« Reply #78 on: January 29, 2012, 10:19:03 am »
i can remember when people actually had their tvs repared and vcrs could cost up to a thousand times and clarity of tvs have changed.
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« Reply #79 on: January 29, 2012, 10:47:39 am »
i can remember when people actually had their tvs repared and vcrs could cost up to a thousand times and clarity of tvs have changed.

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« Reply #80 on: January 29, 2012, 10:54:04 am »
If you are using component cable (3video and 2 audio) you are getting an HD picture.  If you are using the old 1 (yellow) video and 2 (red and white) audio, you are not getting an HD picture. 

The advantage of HDMI is that it's a lot less complicated, and transports 6-channel audio. 

I know what I'm using.  I know the quality of the picture I'm getting.
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« Reply #81 on: January 29, 2012, 08:54:48 pm »
I know what I'm using.  I know the quality of the picture I'm getting.

I've used both HDMI and RCA cables (component or whatever), and honestly cannot tell the difference.  I know that statement is blasphemous in this high tech world.  I know some folks insist they can tell.  I feel bad for them, they have to spend more money on better TVs. 

As for U-Verse, I've had it for the past few years (in two different cities).  I like the service when there are no issues.  Their customer service SUCKS.  Check that, that is not harsh enough.  When I moved, they lost my order not once, not twice, not three times... yes... FOUR friggin times.  When they finally installed my equipment, the install person pulled up my carpet running cables underneath it instead of finding a way to run it behind the way.  I was willing to accept that as workable until I got a $250 bill for the "special install".  The carpet is still not tacked down.  Special, indeed.  Within a day of that bill, I got a second bill for $1000, indicating I had not shipped back my old equipment (which I was supposed to keep until they could no longer find my original 4 orders).  I called to cancel everything despite the fact that my wife and I rely on internet service at home to work.  The retention folks waived all the charges, confirmed they did in fact have our equipment, and told us how to file a claim to have the carpet fixed. 

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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #82 on: January 29, 2012, 10:24:47 pm »
MusicMan was in similar denial about HD.  Once he got it...he got it.

Amen.  My inlaws left the TV on the standard def channel for golf today.  I nearly threw the remote at the screen.

Oh I have numerous TVs with 1080i, HDMI, etc, etc.  I'm just saying the picture I get with the A/V cables is HD and isn't too bad.

It may not be bad (that's subjective) but 480i - using A/V cables - is not HD.  That's an objective definition.

Back on the original topic - has Uverse gotten past their only-two-simultaneous-HD-shows-for-the-whole-home limitation yet?

Yes.  I can simultaneously watch/record at least 3 HD shows.
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« Reply #83 on: January 29, 2012, 10:46:06 pm »
I absolutely get HD with the yellow cable.  It's not as good as HDMI, but it's definitely there.

I don't think you're talking about the same thing as Waldo.  He's talking about RCA composite video (which is definitely analog and you'll never get HD or anything remotely good in terms video quality, you get scan line technology which was just barely good enough for older televisions sets).  You're probably talking RCA component video cables, which requires three video cables (and disregards the "yellow" analog cable). Component cables.

You use the same two RCA audio cables, ditch the yellow analog (composite) for component interlace cables (Red, Green, Blue or RGB). Because it's RGB, you are doing essentially the same thing as an RGB monitor and thus you get a really fine tuned, and hi-def picture (in other words, you can reach higher pixels like a computer monitor can). These cables are not analog like RCA video (yellow cable/composite video) which is a non-digital broadcast and more of a scan line. which can only reach 48 lines per screen. Get really close to old television monitors and you'll see the 48 scan lines... that is pure analog/composite video.
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« Reply #84 on: January 29, 2012, 10:47:05 pm »
I've used both HDMI and RCA cables (component or whatever), and honestly cannot tell the difference.  I know that statement is blasphemous in this high tech world.  I know some folks insist they can tell.  I feel bad for them, they have to spend more money on better TVs.  

As for U-Verse, I've had it for the past few years (in two different cities).  I like the service when there are no issues.  Their customer service SUCKS.  Check that, that is not harsh enough.  When I moved, they lost my order not once, not twice, not three times... yes... FOUR friggin times.  When they finally installed my equipment, the install person pulled up my carpet running cables underneath it instead of finding a way to run it behind the way.  I was willing to accept that as workable until I got a $250 bill for the "special install".  The carpet is still not tacked down.  Special, indeed.  Within a day of that bill, I got a second bill for $1000, indicating I had not shipped back my old equipment (which I was supposed to keep until they could no longer find my original 4 orders).  I called to cancel everything despite the fact that my wife and I rely on internet service at home to work.  The retention folks waived all the charges, confirmed they did in fact have our equipment, and told us how to file a claim to have the carpet fixed.  

The lesson I learned, you get no help until you threaten to leave for a competitor.  The response Limey got is what I was warned about by Comcast/Xfinity customers.  So I have stayed with U-Verse, but only until I can find a better solution....

Ahem.... RCA = analog/composite (scan lines). Component = Analog HD/digital (pixels). Big difference. The only thing about component that can be RCA is if you're using RCA *audio* cables... but that has nothing to do with RCA video (or composite video).
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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #85 on: January 29, 2012, 10:55:57 pm »
I know what I'm using.  I know the quality of the picture I'm getting.

But you don't know what Waldo is talking about though.  THIS is what he is saying. Any installer who calls composite technology "HD" should be shot. Composite is SD (standard definition) and that will never change unless you use a converter box (like this one) and that means you're not using the composite video any more. But you'll still only see a small bump in quality, but not much more than that. If your television set has HDMI or Component hookups, I'm unsure why anyone would use the RCA for anything other than a Wii or XBOX, even then, I've used HDMI for XBOX for the higher quality and data transfer.
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« Reply #86 on: January 29, 2012, 11:13:06 pm »
I've used both HDMI and RCA cables (component or whatever), and honestly cannot tell the difference.  I know that statement is blasphemous in this high tech world.  I know some folks insist they can tell.  I feel bad for them, they have to spend more money on better TVs.

BTW, cables have nothing to do with the "better TVs". It has to do with the amount of data (digital) you're transferring to the HD monitor/television set. The differences in monitors/television sets have to do with the way they can translate that data and at what speed real time. Lower translation usually means a 720p translation and that is really a good standard/start for HiDef. When you consider the broadcasting medium, for instance, they really have not produced anything yet that overwhelms anyone to worry about moving up to higher def like 1080p or 1080i just yet.  Same thing with refresh rates, such as the baseline 60 Hz refresh rate.  Most of what is broadcast sits fine at that refresh rate. However, more and more, you're getting broadcast that will astound you with the 120 Hz refresh rates (double the speed of refreshing). That means that action movies or sports can be followed flawlessly.  Also means you're at the Blu-Ray technology rates at this point when you couple in 1080p. 1080i (interlace) gives you the 3-D quality Blu-Ray.  So will the cables matter at that point?  Yes, you get much more data coming into the set or monitor from an HDMI cable.  It's really 16 mini cables in one (if you will), all 16 carrying some data (digital) that can be used by the television set to give you the upper quality. Component cables is just Red/Green/Blue and it's about multi-pixel quality, which is fine for today's broadcasting, but in years to come, will not carry the type of data that HDMI does.  In fact, some of the HDMI mini-cables are not even being used right now, but in time they have plans for all these mini-cables.  Some of the capabilities include transferring data from your set back to the broadcaster for real time interactivity and such. Think about being connected to many others in a community service and all of you can transfer files or data to each other and do much more in terms of control of you digital technology and then eventually interact with the provider.... but you control the broadcasting because you've chosen to be a part of data transfer (without need for a black box per se).

In short, what you discount with HDMI is *NOT* the picture quality, it's the capabilities packed into the tightly woven cables to give you more than just HD quality (or not).
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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #87 on: January 30, 2012, 12:01:28 am »
Ahem.... RCA = analog/composite (scan lines). Component = Analog HD/digital (pixels). Big difference. The only thing about component that can be RCA is if you're using RCA *audio* cables... but that has nothing to do with RCA video (or composite video).

Noe - "RCA" defines the connector type, not the cable itself or the signal it carries.  Both composite and component video cables use RCA connectors.

Truth be told, I cannot tell much of a difference in picture quality between component and HDMI.  I've had our cable box hooked up via component since day one and I think it looks great.  Then again, my TV is over five years old and only goes up to 720p.
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« Reply #88 on: January 30, 2012, 06:18:41 am »
I don't think you're talking about the same thing as Waldo.  He's talking about RCA composite video (which is definitely analog and you'll never get HD or anything remotely good in terms video quality, you get scan line technology which was just barely good enough for older televisions sets).  You're probably talking RCA component video cables, which requires three video cables (and disregards the "yellow" analog cable). Component cables.

No, I'm talking the yellow RCA video connection.  I know exactly what I'm talking about, but I'm not sure you do.
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« Reply #89 on: January 30, 2012, 06:23:10 am »
Ahem.... RCA = analog/composite (scan lines). Component = Analog HD/digital (pixels). Big difference. The only thing about component that can be RCA is if you're using RCA *audio* cables... but that has nothing to do with RCA video (or composite video).

Wrong.  Component cables, the blue/green/red... Y/Pb/Pr cables also use RCA connectors.  And they're also an analog signal. 
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« Reply #90 on: January 30, 2012, 09:15:05 am »
Wrong.  Component cables, the blue/green/red... Y/Pb/Pr cables also use RCA connectors.  And they're also an analog signal. 

I usually stay out of these back-and-forths but I have to jump in. I can guarantee you that you are not getting any high definition signal from a single RCA cable connection. You may think you are but you are deluded. If an independent video engineer can confirm that you are, then you stand alone in the world of consumer video and need to be recognized at the next NAB.
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« Reply #91 on: January 30, 2012, 09:16:59 am »
You may think you are but you are deluded.

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« Reply #92 on: January 30, 2012, 09:24:09 am »
You may think you are but you are deluded.


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« Reply #93 on: January 30, 2012, 09:31:17 am »
Meanwhile, I have had another back-and-forth-and-back with Comcast.  It's quite funny really: the replies are getting longer and more patronising, while saying less.  My replies are getting shorter and more specific, asking simply for a date by which the full channel lineup and AnyRoom DVR service will be provided at my home.

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« Reply #94 on: January 30, 2012, 09:40:11 am »
As for video quality, here's a list of video connections including the maximum resolution each can handle.  Basically composite (1 yellow video cable) = 480i, which is a TV standard going back to 1956.  It will provide a nice picture, but it is by far the lowest resolution picture available.

Compare the the pixel count of a composite cable SD image and a component / HDMI cable HD image:

Composite:  720 x 480 = 345,600

Component / HDMI:  1920 x 1080 = 2,073,600

That's a factor of 6!  If you can't see the difference improvement in a picture that has a resolution 6 times higher, then you're deluding yourself or you're Stevie Wonder.
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« Reply #95 on: January 30, 2012, 10:12:33 am »
That's a factor of 6!  If you can't see the difference improvement in a picture that has a resolution 6 times higher, then you're deluding yourself or you're Stevie Wonder.

This argument has been nullified since HH deigned to clarify that he is using composite video on a $139 TV.  With a TV that cheap he probably really can't tell the difference between HDMI, composite, or smoke signals.

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« Reply #96 on: January 30, 2012, 10:19:35 am »
I usually stay out of these back-and-forths but I have to jump in. I can guarantee you that you are not getting any high definition signal from a single RCA cable connection. You may think you are but you are deluded. If an independent video engineer can confirm that you are, then you stand alone in the world of consumer video and need to be recognized at the next NAB.


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« Reply #97 on: January 30, 2012, 10:19:45 am »

HH should have this inscribed in his glasses(/contact lenses/corneas).

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« Reply #98 on: January 30, 2012, 10:21:51 am »
There isn't a difference in the resolution between composite and HDMI for current equipment.  HDMI can carry a higher resolution signal, but such is not is general use.  Where HDMI helps currently is that it carries 6-channel audio too, so the one cable replaces the mess of cables otherwise needed to carry HD and 5.1 channel surround sound.

I get pretty clear smoke signals too.
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« Reply #99 on: January 30, 2012, 10:24:36 am »
There isn't a difference in the resolution between composite component and HDMI for current equipment.  HDMI can carry a higher resolution signal, but such is not is general use.  Where HDMI helps currently is that it carries 6-channel audio too, so the one cable replaces the mess of cables otherwise needed to carry HD and 5.1 channel surround sound.

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« Reply #100 on: January 30, 2012, 10:57:09 am »
Noe - "RCA" defines the connector type, not the cable itself or the signal it carries.  Both composite and component video cables use RCA connectors.

Truth be told, I cannot tell much of a difference in picture quality between component and HDMI.  I've had our cable box hooked up via component since day one and I think it looks great.  Then again, my TV is over five years old and only goes up to 720p.

Same here, I use component on my older 720p set. On the 1080p set, I use HDMI.

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« Reply #101 on: January 30, 2012, 10:58:11 am »
No, I'm talking the yellow RCA video connection.  I know exactly what I'm talking about, but I'm not sure you do.

Cool, wallow in your ignorance then.

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« Reply #102 on: January 30, 2012, 10:59:28 am »
I usually stay out of these back-and-forths but I have to jump in. I can guarantee you that you are not getting any high definition signal from a single RCA cable connection. You may think you are but you are deluded. If an independent video engineer can confirm that you are, then you stand alone in the world of consumer video and need to be recognized at the next NAB.

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« Reply #103 on: January 30, 2012, 11:00:51 am »
As for video quality, here's a list of video connections including the maximum resolution each can handle.  Basically composite (1 yellow video cable) = 480i, which is a TV standard going back to 1956.  It will provide a nice picture, but it is by far the lowest resolution picture available.

Compare the the pixel count of a composite cable SD image and a component / HDMI cable HD image:

Composite:  720 x 480 = 345,600

Component / HDMI:  1920 x 1080 = 2,073,600

That's a factor of 6!  If you can't see the difference improvement in a picture that has a resolution 6 times higher, then you're deluding yourself or you're Stevie Wonder.

The thing is, composite should never be called "HD"... it is "SD" and always will be. To say you get HD from a composite cable is ignorant.

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« Reply #104 on: January 30, 2012, 11:02:21 am »
Cool, wallow in your ignorance then.

Ummmm...Ok.  Do your thing.
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« Reply #106 on: January 30, 2012, 11:03:29 am »
The thing is, composite should never be called "HD"... it is "SD" and always will be. To say you get HD from a composite cable is ignorant.

So what do you call the connector pins on component cables?
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« Reply #107 on: January 30, 2012, 11:06:30 am »
So what do you call the connector pins on component cables?

The non-composite yellow connectors? Isn't that what you said gets you HD quality video?

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« Reply #108 on: January 30, 2012, 11:07:38 am »
The non-composite yellow connectors?

The yellow connector *is* the "composite".  I mean the red/blue/green "component" cables.  But mostly I'm just yanking your chain.
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« Reply #109 on: January 30, 2012, 11:08:33 am »
The yellow connector *is* the "composite".  I mean the red/blue/green "component" cables.  But mostly I'm just yanking your chain.

I know, same here!

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« Reply #110 on: January 30, 2012, 11:10:00 am »
I know, same here!

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« Reply #111 on: January 30, 2012, 11:22:10 am »
We can continue this at Opening Day.  Maybe Ty will join us. 

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« Reply #112 on: January 30, 2012, 11:24:51 am »
I can't make it. The satellite installer is coming that day.

Tell him to use those high quality Monster cables.
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« Reply #113 on: January 30, 2012, 11:25:06 am »
We can continue this at Opening Day.  Maybe Ty will join us.  

Sure, no problem. You probably get great quality video from your composite hookup, that much I can't dispute. Quality is in the eye of the beholder and that much you're right on. True story: This weekend I hooked up a large room for some people I know. I used a projector to throw to a maximum 120" wall projection. In the room, it takes up a huge chunk of the back wall, but now they can use it as a learning center (and proud me, I've been invited to be a part of their Advisory Board... it's for pre-teens and teens to come learn from professionals who will give their time to help inner city kids).

Any way, we talked about their requirements for several months now and this weekend I finished the last of the installs for them. Basically, this is what they needed: Front of the room Instructor hook-up (went VGA for that one with some nice wall installments for VGA and stereo audio). Back of the room control center for other needs, such as DVD and computer presentations that were not controlled by an instructor but by a sound booth engineer. Mainly for movie nights type of thing. Went with both HDMI and S-Video. So now, you're probably thinking... "why S-Video?".

Because I could not talk them out of it. I had one lady in their committee who swore by S-Video (and VGA for that matter) because where she worked they used that setup all the time! I showed them what I could do with HDMI and even converters and even offered to buy the hardware myself to do it (Monoprice.com, best audio video consumer sellers in the planet... don''t ever buy retail again... never step into Frys or Best Buy when you have Monoprice ready to go!). The one lady was hard to get past, so I installed the S-Video and the HDMI.

So we ran through the three outputs this weekend, ran through use cases, scenarios, so forth. VGA, check, worked perfectly! HDMI... got a "Woah, look at that!' response... had one guy actually gasp. I showed them the same video twice mind you so I would not be accused of being bias. So I showed the s-video next... using the DVD player they were so in love with (because everyone knows how to use this thing!). Same video... this was the type of response I got:

"Why is the video so.... ahummm... fuzzy?"
"How come we see jagged lines when he moves his arms back and forth?"
"Can you make it brighter?"
"Is this the same video?"

In the end, it's up to whoever uses the room to choose how they want to use it... I already got a call from one guy who wants to learn how to use the room with HDMI.
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« Reply #114 on: January 30, 2012, 12:27:05 pm »
BTW - just some more geek audio/video talk:

When projecting to a wall that big, you're going to run into some serious bucks for a wall mount sceen (even the non-motorized kind). When you're doing work for a non-profit, this is a limitation, so you have to find solutions that work well. A couple of items I noticed right away and some work arounds:

1. HDMI or any Hi-Def projection already gives  you a bump in quality. That is not to say you should kaboosh a good screen, but you're already ahead in quality so don't go buying a cadillac of screens either. For S-Video, you need all the help you can get from a quality screen (so you don't get bleed or absortion... instead you want to bounce the light back to the viewers for maximum viewing pleasure and impact.

2. You can build your own screens at a lower cost than buying one pre-built (and it's a fun project too). Find a carpenter friend, buy him/her a beer (my friend Bill is a carpenter, but his wife is a better carpenter than him, she is very meticulous and he's sloppy... like me!), see if they're interested in donating time so all you have is material cost. The next thing to do is consider buying the screen only or the type of screen that has hooks or grommet holes so it's an easy install. One thing, be aware of what you're buying because if you buy material that is both front projection and rear projection, you'll get maslin (sp?) and that is very pourous material. If you get a maslin screen, go ahead and rear project because you'll get maximum impact because the light will go right through the screen and to the audience (while retaining quite a bit of the image). Oh, and if you're going to go really cheap, you can buy your own maslin at a fabric store, but be aware you'll have to do some fancy sewing to get rid of the seam. At 120" you'll never find fabric store maslin that size.

3. The last option and the cheapest in a way is to paint your own screen on the wall. Here are some things to consider: make sure you sand the wall down so you remove any and all dents, protrusions, and wall texture. Be sure you have as smooth a surface as possible. Next, make sure you buy the right paint. There is a "goo" paint sold by a manufacturer so you can "paint your own projection screen. It retains as much light as it can and bounces back light well. The problem is that it's not cheap and I figured in the end, you're probably only 20 dollars or less below buying a screen and building your own (option 2). The next thing to consider is using paint from a paint store that does what you want... retain enough light and bounce back the light well. Go talk to a paint store guy/gal and tell them what silly project you're taking on and they will help you. Bill went to talk to the paint store guy and he got the right paint for us (we went this route because it is cheap, cheap, cheap). It works.

I will say that option three is not the best quality, it is the cheapest quality. But if you're doing everything else right with the HDMI setup and the projector settings are optimal (go read your manual, read blogs, and user forums for tips and tricks to download upgrades for your projector and tweak settings, like getting a very rich black), you will mitigate the lack of the best screen available.
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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #115 on: January 30, 2012, 12:56:50 pm »
My employer went with option #4 (paint the wall gray and hope for the best).

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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #116 on: January 30, 2012, 01:13:03 pm »
My employer went with option #4 (paint the wall gray and hope for the best).

In our first test of the HDMI hookups, we projected on a dark blue wall with lots-o-dents on the wall. The Director was walking by while I was running some test video, and said... "THAT looks great!' Ugh... I was hoping she wouldn't say "You don't have to spend money on the paint, this works well!". BTW - it is always a good idea to run different types of video... dark video (like some of the music videos nowadays, most of them are so dark and gloomy, this is a really good test to try), light video (like children's videos, cartoons. etc.), video with a orator for good flesh tones (I know, don't go there please!),and lastly some action video (a good Daniel Craig 007 movie or Matrix segment will do).

It helps to get a good feel if you're hitting a sweet spot for any video that can show up at any time by instructors/presenters.

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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #117 on: January 30, 2012, 01:22:25 pm »
light video (like children's videos, cartoons. etc.), video with a orator for good flesh tones (I know, don't go there please!)

You are a master of juxtaposition.
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« Reply #118 on: January 30, 2012, 01:23:36 pm »
I have a 150" screen that I'm afraid I will never get to use again - have been using the white wall method for the last couple years, not bad at all.
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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #119 on: January 30, 2012, 01:23:49 pm »
I can't make it. The satellite installer is coming that day.

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Re: Sam old question, Cable vs. Dish
« Reply #120 on: January 30, 2012, 01:27:10 pm »
You are a master of juxtaposition.


And redundancy:

... a orator for good flesh tones ... and lastly some action video ...

It helps to get a good feel if you're hitting a sweet spot...

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« Reply #121 on: January 30, 2012, 01:45:56 pm »
I have a 150" screen that I'm afraid I will never get to use again - have been using the white wall method for the last couple years, not bad at all.

Yeah, surprised me... the only drawback is that you lose the utilitarian use of the room. If they want to use it for meetings, you're staring at a large white screen painted on the wall behind the presenter (if they are not using media). You trade off at all times.

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« Reply #122 on: January 30, 2012, 01:46:37 pm »
And redundancy:



I knew this crowd would go there... I am to blame!
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« Reply #123 on: January 30, 2012, 01:47:11 pm »
I knew this crowd would got there... I am to blame!

Just keep hitting the sides and working the middle, Noe!
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« Reply #124 on: January 30, 2012, 01:47:49 pm »
Just keep hitting the sides and working the middle, Noe!

Will do... ahum... I think.

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« Reply #125 on: January 30, 2012, 01:51:42 pm »
Yeah, surprised me... the only drawback is that you lose the utilitarian use of the room. If they want to use it for meetings, you're staring at a large white screen painted on the wall behind the presenter (if they are not using media). You trade off at all times.

Oh, forgot to add: I did get one request from one guy who signed up to teach some computer skill classes. He wants to draw on the screen (yes, on the wall) with an erasable marker. I've seen this before, you install a white board on the wall, project on the white board (and get ready for bounce back because of the gloss finish instead of enamel) and then go over and physically draw in connections and other peripherals on the baseline graphic on the slide.  Only Instructors think of doing this sort of thing.  So I told the guy I'll get him a whiteboard software instead and he can draw on his computer instead.

He liked that.

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« Reply #126 on: January 30, 2012, 01:58:07 pm »
I knew this crowd would go there... I am to blame!

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« Reply #127 on: January 30, 2012, 02:06:20 pm »
Yeah, surprised me... the only drawback is that you lose the utilitarian use of the room. If they want to use it for meetings, you're staring at a large white screen painted on the wall behind the presenter (if they are not using media). You trade off at all times.

Unless the room is just white to start with.
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« Reply #128 on: January 30, 2012, 02:17:36 pm »
Unless the room is just white to start with.

True. If you use an enamel based paint that reflects light and yet retains light well, you're going to get good video quality. Our room was painted for teen type of large room, so the colors were already there, we just had to cut out a chunk for ourselves. They're talking about letting the kids paint around the screen and create a motif, that works!

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« Reply #129 on: January 30, 2012, 02:53:39 pm »
No one, no one,
No one ever is to blame.

Some people claim that there's a woman to blame.
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« Reply #130 on: January 30, 2012, 03:05:03 pm »
Some people claim that there's a woman to blame.
But you know its your own damn fault.
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« Reply #131 on: January 30, 2012, 03:16:48 pm »
Anyone posting in this thread is diluted.
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« Reply #132 on: January 30, 2012, 03:27:38 pm »
Some people claim that there's a woman to blame.

Funny thing, first thing I thought was Howard Jone's "No One Is To Blame" Nice 80's reset by MM!
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« Reply #133 on: January 30, 2012, 03:36:50 pm »
Funny thing, first thing I thought was Howard Jone's "No One Is To Blame" Nice 80's reset by MM!

That's what I was going for.
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« Reply #134 on: January 31, 2012, 11:32:57 am »
That's what I was going for.

I got it the moment I read it.  Fucking song's been stuck in my brain ever since.
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« Reply #135 on: January 31, 2012, 11:37:21 am »
I got it the moment I read it.  Fucking song's been stuck in my brain ever since.

Then it was a good day's work.
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« Reply #136 on: January 31, 2012, 06:29:59 pm »
I got it the moment I read it.  Fucking song's been stuck in my brain ever since.

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« Reply #137 on: January 31, 2012, 07:05:43 pm »
Momma, this is what I looked like in the 80s... made wearing a helmet a bit of a challenge when playing baseball. Ha! I had a combination of Roland Orzibal's hairstyle with some Curt Smith, I cut mine real short in the back and sides and with a smaller pony tail than Smith... and an earring.  We all do stupid things some times (and still do I guess)
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« Reply #138 on: February 01, 2012, 09:41:05 am »
Take a good dose of Paul Young and call me in the morning. Better yet, don't call me.

I see your "Come Back and Stay", and raise you "A Little Bit of Toast".
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« Reply #139 on: February 01, 2012, 09:42:13 am »
Momma, this is what I looked like in the 80s... made wearing a helmet a bit of a challenge when playing baseball. Ha! I had a combination of Roland Orzibal's hairstyle with some Curt Smith, I cut mine real short in the back and sides and with a smaller pony tail than Smith... and an earring.  We all do stupid things some times (and still do I guess)

Whew.  I thought you meant the little kid with the sheriff's outfit.
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« Reply #140 on: February 01, 2012, 10:58:34 am »
Whew.  I thought you meant the little kid with the sheriff's outfit.

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