UT football '11

[Rebel Jew]

BYU looks ready for the "upset" so far. Mack looks ready for another round at the alumni buffet.

[jbm]

Rice must really be awful to have lost to this team.

On a positive note, they kept the rugby punt.  It is freaking ingenious.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Are Longhorn fans booing #7 or are they booing Mack Brown for continuing to play #7.

[Rebel Jew]

Are Longhorn fans booing #7 or are they booing Mack Brown for continuing to play #7.

only mack can engineer a 3-man QB controversy. people think it's easy too, but it takes foresight, strategy, and dedication for such a scenario to plausibly occur.

[austro]

Rice must really be awful to have lost to this team.

Hey, they survived against Purdue today!

[chuck]

What do you reckon BYU tailgaters get up to? I can't imagine they're all that exciting. At least you'd know everybody's name right off the bat.

[austro]

Is there any reason that Gilbert should play in the second half?

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

What do you reckon BYU tailgaters get up to? I can't imagine they're all that exciting. At least you'd know everybody's name right off the bat.

Here's the Texas tailgate info
The CougarTown Tailgate Party
September 10, 2011 -- 3:00 PM
LDS CHurch at 2111 Parker Lane, Austin TX

The Texas BBQ meal includes: 2 meats, beans, potato salad, pickle, onion, bread, sauce, jalapenos, lemonade
$12 purchased in advance at link belo
a limited number of meals will be available at the door for $15, bring your email confirmation with you as your ticket.
Meal is served from 3:30 PM until 5:00 PM

Meet your family and friends. Catch a performance by the BYU Cheer Squad with Cosmo. BYU Bookstore merchandise will be available for purchase (checks and cash only). Music, games, facepainting.

http://alumni.byu.edu/byuvtexas

[Rebel Jew]

i can't imagine a worse way to spend a meal than dinner at applebees with chris berman and carson palmer's brother. an hour of shitty food while listening to berman talk about his golf swing and constantly complaining (intentionally loud and beligerently) about the waitress (who palmer's brother would talk intentionally loud and beligerently about fucking).

[chuck]

The Texas BBQ meal includes: 2 meats, beans, potato salad, pickle, onion, bread, sauce, jalapenos, lemonade
$12 purchased in advance at link belo

Twelve dollars a person? That could get very expensive.

[Lurch]

Are Longhorn fans booing #7 or are they booing Mack Brown for continuing to play #7.

yes.

[Mr. Happy]

Has Mack Brown lost his fucking mind?

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Twelve dollars a person? That could get very expensive.

All the lemonade you can drink.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Guys who should touch the ball more: Goodwin, Brown, Monroe, Johnson.

[austro]

Will Gilbert get on the field again this year?

[chuck]

Has Mack Brown lost his fucking mind?

I really, seriously, have no idea what is going on here.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

UTSA got beat, I guess they couldn't stay undefeated for ever. They had over 50,000 for their first game (a record), more than 30,000 today.

[Bench]

UTSA got beat, I guess they couldn't stay undefeated for ever. They had over 50,000 for their first game (a record), more than 30,000 today.

Do you know where the stadium is?

[austro]

You need 1 yard against BYU and can't get it? They really need to concentrate on O line recruiting.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Do you know where the stadium is?

Alamodome.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

You need 1 yard against BYU and can't get it? They really need to concentrate on O line recruiting.

Most of the time they'd make that, but sometimes the defense wins those too.

[jbm]

I think the offense, sans Gilbert, looks promising as they seem to execute pretty well.  However, I don't know shit about football.

[Bench]

There's a new Shipley too?

[Bench]

Alamodome.

It's nice that somebody is playing football there.

[austro]

There's a new Shipley too?

Yes. You have to like the "McCoy to Shipley" call.

[Rebel Jew]

I think the offense, sans Gilbert, looks promising as they seem to execute pretty well.  However, I don't know shit about football.

execute like in the public hanging sense?

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Will Gilbert get on the field again this year?

Probably not.

[austro]

Probably not.

Ash and McCoy seem much more productive.

[jbm]

Ash and McCoy seem much more productive.

Like night and day.  If it was anyone but Mack, one could assume one of the QB questions was answered. Namely, Gilbert is done.

[Rebel Jew]

Ash and McCoy seem much more productive.

I'm probably in the minority, but Gilbert is the only guy who looks like a real QB to me. I know he makes stupid throws, but he's got serious skills. You can't give up on him at the beginning of his second year as starter.

[Alkie]

I'm probably in the minority, but Gilbert is the only guy who looks like a real QB to me. I know he makes stupid throws, but he's got serious skills. You can't give up on him at the beginning of his second year as starter.

Can we give up on him after 15 games?  Yes?  Good.   Help him fill out the transfer paperwork.  Enjoy Northwestern State, GG.

[Rebel Jew]

Can we give up on him after 15 games?  Yes?  Good.   Help him fill out the transfer paperwork.  Enjoy Northwestern State, GG.

I've watched very little UT football over the last few years, so I admit I know as much as I sound like I know. Gilbert looks like a first round draft pick. Yes, I know Chris Simms did as well. Either way, kids are in bed and I'm just killing time until the kickass Strikeforce card in an hour.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

I'm probably in the minority, but Gilbert is the only guy who looks like a real QB to me.

The same could have been said about Jevan Sneed. I thought it would come a lot easier to Gilbert, but it's not. And the difference is becoming apparent.

[Alkie]

Gilbert looks like a first round draft pick.

Quoted.   

[austro]

The same could have been said about Jevan Sneed. I thought it would come a lot easier to Gilbert, but it's not. And the difference is becoming apparent.

Yep. I don't know what the problem is or whether it can be fixed, but Gilbert simply doesn't produce. He looked like Peyton Fucking Manning in high school, but something has happened.

[Rebel Jew]

He looked like Peyton Fucking Manning in high school

He had a fetus for a head?

[Alkie]

He looked like Peyton Fucking Manning in high school, but something has happened.

Having not watched a second of him in HS, I can't tell you how impossible that is to believe considering his terrible mechanics, weak long tosses, and total inability to figure out which team to throw to.

[Rebel Jew]

holy crap! genuine offensive creativity. rest assured, mack brown will have his ass after the game

[austro]

Having not watched a second of him in HS, I can't tell you how impossible that is to believe considering his terrible mechanics, weak long tosses, and total inability to figure out which team to throw to.

That's why it's so baffling. But he looks like a middle-schooler out there now. Go figure.

[Lurch]

I'm probably in the minority, but Gilbert is the only guy who looks like a real QB to me. I know he makes stupid throws, but he's got serious skills. You can't give up on him at the beginning of his second year as starter.

Dude.  No.

[MusicMan]

I'm probably in the minority, but Gilbert is the only guy who looks like a real QB to me.

You are clinically insane.

[Jose Cruz III]

Twelve dollars a person? That could get very expensive.

They can only bring one wife to the game.

[JimR]

every singe person who booed Gilbert last night is a no class fucking loser. i was furious and embarrassed, and it cheapened a great, great win for the team.

[DVauthrin]

I'm probably in the minority, but Gilbert is the only guy who looks like a real QB to me. I know he makes stupid throws, but he's got serious skills. You can't give up on him at the beginning of his second year as starter.

Last night should be Garrett Gilbert's last start at Texas.    He may "look" like a QB to you, but looks can be deceiving.    In 15 starts, he often helped out the opposing team far more than his very own.  

[JimR]

Last night should be Garrett Gilbert's last start at Texas.    He may "look" like a QB to you, but looks can be deceiving.    In 15 starts, he often helped out the opposing team far more than his very own.  

fuck this.

[drew corleone]

I'm in favor of moving forward.d with McCoy and/or Ash, but agree with Jim 100% that anyone that booed Gilbert (all 75,000 ofthem) are low-class pieces of shit.

[Jose Cruz III]

Last night should be Garrett Gilbert's last start at Texas.    He may "look" like a QB to you, but looks can be deceiving.    In 15 starts, he often helped out the opposing team far more than his very own.  

I don't know what happened to him over the course of a year but he looked good against Bama in the BCS game. And that was against 8 guys drafted in the NFL, most in the 1st round, and will soon be 10 as 2 of them are still on the team and are projected as 1st or 2nd rounders. I don't follow Texas very closely but he had a white guy that night, can't remember his name, that none of those NFLers could cover or seemingly catch and what looked to be a great OL and a decent running game. Does he still have those or comparable weapons and still screwing it up or has the rest of the team regressed with the QB taking most of the blame?

[Andyzipp]

I don't know what happened to him over the course of a year but he looked good against Bama in the BCS game. And that was against 8 guys drafted in the NFL, most in the 1st round, and will soon be 10 as 2 of them are still on the team and are projected as 1st or 2nd rounders. I don't follow Texas very closely but he had a white guy that night, can't remember his name, that none of those NFLers could cover or seemingly catch and what looked to be a great OL and a decent running game. Does he still have those or comparable weapons and still screwing it up or has the rest of the team regressed with the QB taking most of the blame?

Texas has had top 3-5 recruiting classes for the last umpteen years.  They are dripping with top flight talent at every position.

[Jose Cruz III]

Texas has had top 3-5 recruiting classes for the last umpteen years.  They are dripping with top flight talent at every position.

Dissension?

[jbm]

Texas has had top 3-5 recruiting classes for the last umpteen years.  They are dripping with top flight talent at every position.

You enjoyed writing this.

JC, I don't know what happened last year.  It was obviously way more than a quarterback. 

After the first quarter or so, they looked like a team that will compete.  Gilbert just didn't play well, it wasn't the players around him. 

[MusicMan]

every singe person who booed Gilbert last night is a no class fucking loser. i was furious and embarrassed, and it cheapened a great, great win for the team.

And to all the people that claim to have been booing Mack, not GG: bullshit.

I'm glad to see McCoy and Ash get a shot, but I have no ill will towards GG; I think the coaching staff did him a terrible disservice last year, and I put his shortcomings at their feet.

[MusicMan]

Texas has had top 3-5 recruiting classes for the last umpteen years.  They are dripping with top flight talent at every position.

Leave it to the Aggies to point out how highly rated recruiting classes can founder.

[Duke]

every singe person who booed Gilbert last night is a no class fucking loser. i was furious and embarrassed, and it cheapened a great, great win for the team.

Agree with this 100%.  It was really embarassing.  On the bright side it was loud in the 4th quarter when it needed to be.

[drew corleone]

I know most of you probably aren't fans of barking Carnival, but I wholeheartedly agreed with Scipio Tex's post today re: Gilbert:

Gilbert tried his best. And seems like a good guy. If you can point to lack of effort anywhere in Gilbert’s game, I’m happy to concede. Not lack of performance. That’s clear enough. Lack of effort. I’m not aware of any off-field issues either. So when a good citizen tries his hardest and doesn’t pan, he’s an object of personal scorn? Really?

I don’t mean a choice curse word after an interception, an expression of desire for another signal caller, or a detailing of his deficiencies. I’m talking about the hyper-personal garbage we’ve all seen or heard.

Newsflash: Garrett Gilbert plays for Texas.

He’s OUR guy as a member of the team, even if he’s not your guy or my guy at starting QB.

You either get that at some fundamental level or you don’t. And if you don’t, I can only speculate on the cause. Maybe you’re a jerk. Maybe you revel in the failure of others in all aspects of life. Maybe you don’t know any better. Maybe the commercialization of college football and absurd ticket prices have created a professional mindset in fans. Maybe you like attention, whatever its form. Maybe it’s exciting to boo.

Except that is all trumped by this: The Longhorns are our team. Our players – at least the ones who conduct themselves with class on and off of the field and play their hardest every Saturday – are our guys.

If you’re one of the people booing him, luxuriating in Gilbert’s failures, or writing personal attacks, this isn’t the place for you. We generally give people all the rope necessary to hang themselves and our moderating touch is light, mostly because our readership is smarter than the average bear. At some level, stupidity is self-evident and is its own caution to others.

But QB controversies have an amazing attractive ability. It’s emotional flypaper. Idiots emit some sort of clustering beacon to attract others where they try to find some collective purchase like viruses trying to take over their host. Then it becomes a game of one-upmanship for who can top the others for shock, hatred, and cowardice. Thankfully, that number has been small here, but it’s not going to spread.

The nasty stuff - I mean, the really hateful, personal vitriol -  that gets posted on message boards drives me crazy.

[JimR]

I know most of you probably aren't fans of barking Carnival, but I wholeheartedly agreed with Scipio Tex's post today re: Gilbert:

The nasty stuff - I mean, the really hateful, personal vitriol -  that gets posted on message boards drives me crazy.

outstanding

[MusicMan]

I know most of you probably aren't fans of barking Carnival, but I wholeheartedly agreed with Scipio Tex's post today re: Gilbert:

The nasty stuff - I mean, the really hateful, personal vitriol -  that gets posted on message boards drives me crazy.

Not a fan?  They're one of a handful of Twitters I signed up to follow.

[Andyzipp]

Leave it to the Aggies to point out how highly rated recruiting classes can founder.

Learn to take a compliment.  Geeze.

[MusicMan]

Learn to take a compliment.  Geeze.

Sorry, but the fact is those 06-09 classes were not dripping with all that much talent.  (See: line, offensive.)

[Andyzipp]

Sorry, but the fact is those 06-09 classes were not dripping with all that much talent.  (See: line, offensive.)

According to the rankings of those particular years, yes they were, including the top linemen in the state, year after year.

[MusicMan]

According to the rankings of those particular years, yes they were, including the top linemen in the state, year after year.

And this is what I'm saying.  Aggie recruiting "rankings" were high too.  The rankings aren't especially indicative, especially if your coaches don't coach them effectively.

I maintain that Searles was the most important hire Brown made.

[Lurch]

McCoy and Ash co-starters. 

[Andyzipp]

And this is what I'm saying.  Aggie recruiting "rankings" were high too.  The rankings aren't especially indicative, especially if your coaches don't coach them effectively.

I maintain that Searles was the most important hire Brown made.

A&M ALWAYS gets third pick on talent in Texas.  Any recent success is because A&M has started getting second pick on a few guys (mainly because OU has taken small classes).  Our coaches are...a work in progress.

[Andyzipp]

McCoy and Ash co-starters. 

I don't know much, granted, but what's the benefit of that?  Ash looked better to me in most facets.  I'll hang up and listen.

[MusicMan]

A&M ALWAYS gets third pick on talent in Texas.

Just not true.

Example one: Jake Matthews chose A&M over UT.  His dad watched our practices and basically said that there was no way in hell he was letting his kid get "coached" like that.

[MusicMan]

I don't know much, granted, but what's the benefit of that?  Ash looked better to me in most facets.  I'll hang up and listen.

Ash is the definite long-term guy, but I don't know how much better Case has mastered the offense right now.

[Andyzipp]

Just not true.

Example one: Jake Matthews chose A&M over UT.  His dad watched our practices and basically said that there was no way in hell he was letting his kid get "coached" like that.

Isolated case.  Our other tackle, you guys didn't want.  The rest of our O-line recruits didn't even have offers from Texas.  In fact, outside of Matthews, I don't think Mack has offered a single player currently on scholarship for A&M.

[Andyzipp]

Ash is the definite long-term guy, but I don't know how much better Case has mastered the offense right now.

I just hope that McCoy and Shipley haven't gone in on a bass boat together.

[Bench]

I just hope that McCoy and Shipley haven't gone in on a bass boat together.

I kept waiting for the Bengals to play Shipley at safety for a guaranteed interception. 

[MusicMan]

Isolated case.  Our other tackle, you guys didn't want.  The rest of our O-line recruits didn't even have offers from Texas.  In fact, outside of Matthews, I don't think Mack has offered a single player currently on scholarship for A&M.

That's kind of a technicality.  MB holds offers until he's certain they'll be accepted.

[MusicMan]

I just hope that McCoy and Shipley haven't gone in on a bass boat together.

They are roommates.

[sporadic]

I'll give you UT boys something to fire away at...

Texas needs GG to win the Big XXII.  There you go.  The other two are absolutely serviceable, Ash being better than McCoy, but they need GG at his best to get where they want to go.  He has not looked good thus far, but he has the highest ceiling of anyone on the roster.  Can you guys really see Ash or McCoy beating OU?  Not sure how Texas coaches will get him turned around, but that is my .02 (probably worth about that much)

[Andyzipp]

That's kind of a technicality.  MB holds offers until he's certain they'll be accepted.

That guy who follows Texas recruiting...Ketchum, I think, seems to be pretty adamant that no one on last years A&M roster had an offer or interest or could play for Texas.  And he's an expert.

[Andyzipp]

I'll give you UT boys something to fire away at...

Texas needs GG to win the Big XXII.  There you go.  The other two are absolutely serviceable, Ash being better than McCoy, but they need GG at his best to get where they want to go.  He has not looked good thus far, but he has the highest ceiling of anyone on the roster.  Can you guys really see Ash or McCoy beating OU?  Not sure how Texas coaches will get him turned around, but that is my .02 (probably worth about that much)

This isn't high school anymore.  Ash has the most upside of the three.  Be interesting to see where he stacks up against Brewer next year.

[Lurch]

but he has the highest ceiling of anyone on the roster.

What do you base this on? 

[JimR]

What do you base this on? 

his talent. Ash will be the guy next year, but he will not be totally ready until then, imo.

[sporadic]

What do you base this on? 

nothing at all, that is why my .02 is worth about that much.  He has had some bright spots, against good teams, and I cannot get myself to disregard his HS record.  He just looks like a high profile QB.  Ash looks the part as well, although I would take an experienced GG over Ash right now.  McCoy should not even be in the conversation, IMO.  Maybe GG's experience is working against him...or he has lost the locker room.  Who knows...

[Waldo]

nothing at all, that is why my .02 is worth about that much.  He has had some bright spots, against good teams, and I cannot get myself to disregard his HS record.  He just looks like a high profile QB.  Ash looks the part as well, although I would take an experienced GG over Ash right now.  McCoy should not even be in the conversation, IMO.  Maybe GG's experience is working against him...or he has lost the locker room.  Who knows...

If you believe a lot of what Shuttlesworth writes over at Recruitocosm, Gilbert HAS lost the team.  According to his insider, they rallied around Ash during fall camp.

[DVauthrin]

I don't know what happened to him over the course of a year but he looked good against Bama in the BCS game. And that was against 8 guys drafted in the NFL, most in the 1st round, and will soon be 10 as 2 of them are still on the team and are projected as 1st or 2nd rounders. I don't follow Texas very closely but he had a white guy that night, can't remember his name, that none of those NFLers could cover or seemingly catch and what looked to be a great OL and a decent running game. Does he still have those or comparable weapons and still screwing it up or has the rest of the team regressed with the QB taking most of the blame?

The team he inherited last year had a poor offensive line, no running game, no tight ends to speak of, and no proven wide receivers.  He didn't have a good sophomore year, but there were a lot of problems with the team last season.    Greg Davis did him no favors, either.   

That said, at some point, he has to produce on the field.   He struggled to consistently do that.

[DVauthrin]

nothing at all, that is why my .02 is worth about that much.  He has had some bright spots, against good teams, and I cannot get myself to disregard his HS record.  He just looks like a high profile QB.  Ash looks the part as well, although I would take an experienced GG over Ash right now.  McCoy should not even be in the conversation, IMO.  Maybe GG's experience is working against him...or he has lost the locker room.  Who knows...

Gilbert got replaced because he makes too many poor decisions with the football.    His second interception vs BYU is a perfect example.    He forced a deep ball to Mike Davis into the teeth of double coverage.    It was a low percentage pass that someone with his experience should know not to throw.

[Lurch]

Gilbert got replaced because he makes too many poor decisions with the football.    His second interception vs BYU is a perfect example.    He forced a deep ball to Mike Davis into the teeth of double coverage.    It was a low percentage pass that someone with his experience should know not to throw.

Good thread in Shaggy (NSFJim)

[Alkie]

Chuy Sanchez was the best QB I ever saw in Jr High and I went to two games.

I don't understand why he's not starting at UT this weekend.

Fuck you guys.

[Ron Brand]

He would've, but he should've laid off huffing the paint, ese.

[Alkie]

He would've, but he should've laid off huffing the paint, ese.

Why would that matter?  He was the best player I ever saw at a lower level than right now.   People don't change between Jr High and college.   Ever.   Fact.   Fuck you.

[Ron Brand]

Why would that matter?  He was the best player I ever saw at a lower level than right now.   People don't change between Jr High and college.   Ever.   Fact.   Fuck you.

Because when you huff you don't care which color anybody is wearing and when you play with the big boys, they like that shit nice and neat. It's not my fault Krylon took him away dude.

You know how touchy Mack gets, man. Ain't never gonna be no Aztlan QB at UT.

[JimR]

Good thread in Shaggy (NSFJim)

you completely misread what my attitude is about this topic.

[Ron Brand]

you completely misread what my attitude is about this topic.

What I took away from it was confirmation that people who boo college kids who are giving it everything they've got should be castrated.

[Rebel Jew]

Good thread in Shaggy (NSFJim)

i know college football doesn't have the complex presnap reads and route options that pro offenses have, but you still gotta wonder about the coaching gilbert's received in his 2+ years on campus. most of the mistakes outlined here seem easily avoidable with basic coaching.

[JimR]

What I took away from it was confirmation that people who boo college kids who are giving it everything they've got should be castrated.

this is the mild version of it.

[JimR]

i know college football doesn't have the complex presnap reads and route options that pro offenses have, but you still gotta wonder about the coaching gilbert's received in his 2+ years on campus. most of the mistakes outlined here seem easily avoidable with basic coaching.

i believed that he has been coached down, but he obviously gets rattled also. i think he puts so much pressure on himself to turn the fans' opinions around, that the pressure overrides what he has been taught to do in his football programs. much of it is stress/mental, imo.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

I agree that it is mental stress issue, not a physical tools issue. I think him being part of a rotation in the short term, is the best way to resolve who should warrant the lion's share of snaps in the long term.

[drew corleone]

i know college football doesn't have the complex presnap reads and route options that pro offenses have, but you still gotta wonder about the coaching gilbert's received in his 2+ years on campus. most of the mistakes outlined here seem easily avoidable with basic coaching.

The complexity from last year to this year has increased significantly, and Gilbert seems to lag as a distant third in really getting a handle on it. At this stage I don't think we can blame "poor coaching" for his deficiencies. And to be honest, inability to develop quarterbacks was not Greg Davis' major woe.

[drew corleone]

I agree that it is mental stress issue, not a physical tools issue. I think him being part of a rotation in the short term, is the best way to resolve who should warrant the lion's share of snaps in the long term.

Disagree. IMO, the spring and the first six quarters of this season resolved who should warrant the lion's share, and that individual is not Garrett Gilbert. He may yet get another chance, should the McCoy/Ash rotation falter, but his performance has warranted the depth chart change.

RE: physical tools... He has a cannon, but also a slow release and poor touch.

[Andyzipp]

...but his performance has warranted the depth chart change.

I read this as "his performance has warranted the depth charge."  Which seems extreme.

[MusicMan]

I read this as "his performance has warranted the depth charge."  Which seems extreme.

That's JA Happ.

[Alkie]

I read this as "his performance has warranted the depth charge."  Which seems extreme.

Only way to be sure.

[ybbodeus]

every singe person who booed Gilbert last night is a no class fucking loser. i was furious and embarrassed, and it cheapened a great, great win for the team.

Well, you bump the joint up over 100K, you never know what you're gonna get.  The decline of Gilbert, temporary or not, is a mystery, no doubt, but not one worth taking out on Gilbert.

[Lurch]

Holy Shit, we've got a running game!

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Brown is awesome.

[austro]

Malcolm Brown is one tough runner. When he pairs with Gray next year, that's going to be a potent combination.

[chuck]

"I don't even know if he was throwing it to the guy who caught it." Go FUCK yourself, Neuheisel.

[Alkie]

"I don't even know if he was throwing it to the guy who caught it." Go FUCK yourself, Neuheisel.

Good to see some things never, ever change.

Stay classy, ya piece of shit.

[JaneDoe]

Wow. Texas has luck on their side today.

[MusicMan]

Good to see some things never, ever change.

Stay classy, ya piece of shit.

No class, and no coaching ability.

[austro]

Is Hicks playing today? I don't remember hearing his name yet.

[JaneDoe]

C'mon D!

[MRaup]

"I don't even know if he was throwing it to the guy who caught it." Go FUCK yourself, Neuheisel.

Slimy fucking cocksucker.

[chuck]

Slimy fucking cocksucker.

They are not a good team and are going to get fucking smoked in conference play and I am going to enjoy watching that thoroughly.

[Lurch]

They are not a good team and are going to get fucking smoked in conference play and I am going to enjoy watching that thoroughly.

Not sure he'll be there to see it

[Bench]

Justice now says the Pac-16 is back in play without affecting the LHN? 

[Ron Brand]

Justice now says the Pac-16 is back in play without affecting the LHN? 

Supposedly it's OU, OSU, Tech and Texas to the PAC-12 and it'll be four pods, nine conference games. The LHN is essentially untouched if it makes more than 1/16th of the PAC-12's third tier rights. Not a done deal yet though.

Also some rumblings of Notre Dame wanting to go B1G with Texas, but not much else about that.

[Alkie]

Ugh.   10:45pm/9:45pm start times.   Goodie.

[austro]

Ugh.   10:45pm/9:45pm start times.   Goodie.

That'll teach you to move east.

[drew corleone]

Maybe a few times a year. Don't be a pussy; you're an adult.

[Ron Brand]

Really. It's not like you have to get up early Sunday to go to church.

[Alkie]

Maybe a few times a year. Don't be a pussy; you're an adult.

You know what, you useless twat, you really can feel absolutely free to eat my ass.   No one, and I mean no one, fucking asked you.

[Alkie]

That'll teach you to move east.

Still 9:45p for you guys.   That means the games end after 1am for you guys.   How is that a good thing?

[Bench]

Maybe a few times a year. Don't be a pussy; you're an adult.

Alkie?  Adult?  Maybe if you add cantankerous, sarcastic, and glibly infantile. 

But don't forget the sarcastic part. 

[Alkie]

What does my age have to do with a football game ending at 1am for you and 2am for me?   

[BizidyDizidy]

Was at the Arizona game last year - 9:45CST start time, then had to drive back to Phoenix after the game. Long day.

[Alkie]

Was at the Arizona game last year - 9:45CST start time, then had to drive back to Phoenix after the game. Long day.

Watch out now, one of the relatively anonymous posters who otherwise brings almost nothing to the site may call you a pussy.

[Lurch]

What does my age have to do with a football game ending at 1am for you and 2am for me?  

I'm hoping that the partnership/rev-share aspect of this would drive some more palatable start times.  PAC is going to want to have financial interest in Texas watching its games.  I'm assuming that's not the case with pro sports


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[Ron Brand]

Ugh.   10:45pm/9:45pm start times.   Goodie.

Time to open up that West Coast branch.

[drew corleone]

Watch out now, one of the relatively anonymous posters who otherwise brings almost nothing to the site may call you a pussy.

Very funny. Aren't you about ready to go back into retirement?

If we could buy you for what you're worth and sell you for what you think you're worth SnS could outbid Crane and keep the Astros in the AL. You add nothing to this site, and the character you play is more tiresome than Frieda. In short, you're a petty caricature of every wannabe Internet celebrity out there, and the fact that you regularly out-do the Shaggy/Orangebloods/HornFans crowd in the category is your only impressive accomplishment.

But hey, you got me, chief.

[drew corleone]

And you are a total pussy. Pussy pussy pussy.

Worthless pussy. Witless pussy. Tiresome pussy.

Yawn.

[Lurch]

Very funny. Aren't you about ready to go back into retirement?

If we could buy you for what you're worth and sell you for what you think you're worth SnS could outbid Crane and keep the Astros in the AL. You add nothing to this site, and the character you play is more tiresome than Frieda. In short, you're a petty caricature of every wannabe Internet celebrity out there, and the fact that you regularly out-do the Shaggy/Orangebloods/HornFans crowd in the category is your only impressive accomplishment.

But hey, you got me, chief.

Astros are in the NL

[drew corleone]

Fuck me. Yeah, I should re-read my rants before hitting Post. That was the only thing I take back.

[Ron Brand]

Sounds like someone's got a case of the Mondays.

[drew corleone]

Maybe I'm just down from Man City blowing that 2-0 lead.

Anyway... I don't really think the late start issue is such a big deal. In the pod system Texas will play three road games to west coast venues. The higher-caliber games aren't going to be relegated to the late-late slot. My guess is that Texas plays a 9pm game once or twice per season. If that's cause for complaint then I think you're just looking for a reason to be contrary.

[JimR]

Watch out now, one of the relatively anonymous posters who otherwise brings almost nothing to the site may call you a pussy.

actually, i have seen him many times. he exists and is a good guy.

[MusicMan]

Sounds like someone's got a case of the Mondays.

Unsure whether to nominate this or kick your ass.

[Ron Brand]

Unsure whether to nominate this or kick your ass.

It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care.

Stuff it. No one is concerned with your carelessness.

[Ron Brand]

Stuff it. No one is concerned with your carelessness.

Don't...jump to conclusions.

[Ebby Calvin]

Tech/UT split on the LHN?

[jbm]

The Chronicle article, which referenced an AAS article, stated:

But according to the American-Statesman report, the deal currently being negotiated would allow UT to keep the Longhorn Network if it adds Pac-12 programming to its schedule. The report said UT would keep all its LHN revenue if it is greater than one-sixteenth of the Pac-12's third-tier media rights, and if it was less, all revenue would be divided evenly.

[JimR]

Tech/UT split on the LHN?

i would be beyond shocked.

ETA: the AAS is reporting this, but i'll watch and listen.

[Ebby Calvin]

i would be beyond shocked.

Good. Thanks.

[MusicMan]

In actual football news:

Chip Brown reporting that Gilbert is undergoing shoulder surgery and is out for the season.

[Waldo]

Says he injured his shoulder against Rice.  I don't remember hearing anything about that.

[Bench]

And now the Big 12 is merging with the Big East.

[MusicMan]

Says he injured his shoulder against Rice.  I don't remember hearing anything about that.

It certainly casts the move to pull him in a new light.

[Lurch]

Holy shit.  We have two quarterbacks

[Ron Brand]

Holy shit.  We have two quarterbacks

...Eachern...paging Randy McEachern...

[JimR]

Wildcat every snap.

[Lurch]

Gus tonight on FX.  Kick.  Ass.

[Alkie]

Offense looks as bad as the defense looks good.

[Lurch]

Offense looks as bad as the defense looks good.

Love the plays, though.  Once they learn to execute...

[chuck]

Love the plays, though.  Once they learn to execute...

I'm not crazy about a quarterback tandem nor do I care for the Wildcat or Wildhorn or whatever it is.

The Red Zone futility is definitely getting me in the mood for the Texans game tomorrow though.

[Alkie]

Offense looks as bad as the defense looks good.

Sure doesn't feel like a 20 point lead.

[chuck]

Sure doesn't feel like a 20 point lead.

The management has the Florida - Alabama game on at your sports bar, yes? That was a fairly entertaining beginning.

[Alkie]

Gus tonight on FX.  Kick.  Ass.

Gus Johnson; good for college basketball, horrific for football.    This broadcasting team is terrible.

[Alkie]

The management has the Florida - Alabama game on at your sports bar, yes? That was a fairly entertaining beginning.

No, we had the baseball games on.   What happened?

[Alkie]

I seriously don't know what to make of this game.   This is the least satisfying 27 pt lead I can remember.

[chuck]

No, we had the baseball games on.   What happened?

Florida came out and immediately threw a long TD pass.

[Lurch]

Gus Johnson; good for college basketball, horrific for football.    This broadcasting team is terrible.

I liked his NFL work, but he's really off tonight

[Lurch]

I seriously don't know what to make of this game.   This is the least satisfying 27 pt lead I can remember.

Hard to say a team should be up by 40 at the half... but they should be up by 40 at the half.

[Alkie]

I liked his NFL work, but he's really off tonight

I didn't know he did NFL.   Maybe it's Davis that brings out this side of him.   It's almost like they're not even watching the game.

[Alkie]

Wow.

[Alkie]

Hard to say a team should be up by 40 at the half... but they should be up by 40 at the half.

49.

[Lurch]

I'm not crazy about a quarterback tandem nor do I care for the Wildcat or Wildhorn or whatever it is.

So that was awesome.

[Ron Brand]

Hard to say a team should be up by 40 at the half... but they should be up by 40 at the half.

34 ain't bad.

[Alkie]

I sure hope the voters aren't watching and just see the score.

[chuck]

So that was awesome.

That was awesome.

[Ron Brand]

Not so impressed with the D.

[Lurch]

I didn't know he did NFL.   Maybe it's Davis that brings out this side of him.   It's almost like they're not even watching the game.

He was CBS's C or D team, so we saw a bit of him on the Texans games.  His emotion sets him apart, but he can't that alone carry him.  He seems very unprepared tonight.

[Lurch]

Not so impressed with the D.

This is funny

[Alkie]

Goddamn.

[Alkie]

How is/was Iowa State 3-0?

[Lurch]

How is/was Iowa State 3-0?

We lost to this team.  In Austin.

[Alkie]

We lost to this team.  In Austin.

Wait; they got to count wins from last year in this year's total?

Can we use 2005 wins?

[Ron Brand]

This is funny

I know they haven't scored and I can't really see it, but I'm leery of a defense that gets gashed on blitzes by design. Better teams turn that shit into points.

[Mr. Happy]

Florida came out and immediately threw a long TD pass.

10-3  Fla but Bama is in the red zone.

[chuck]

We lost to this team.  In Austin.

The word lost doesn't quite capture it.

[DVauthrin]

After last season, I'll happily take a 4-0 start heading into OU week.      This is a young team that has a lot of room to grow.   

[Ebby Calvin]

Can't wait til tomorrow.

It's 12:52pm, and...

[DVauthrin]

OU SUCKS!

[chuck]

TEXAS!

[austro]

What the fuck was the O-line doing there? How can you just stand there and look at a ball on the ground?

[austro]

Blake Gideon may bring some good things to this defense, but pass coverage isn't one of them.

[drew corleone]

Well that was a slaughter.

[MusicMan]

I can't believe OU could hang over 50 on us.

This defense can't stop anybody.

Mack can't win the big one.

And what on earth is the University of Texas doing playing a freshman at QB, anyway?

2003, or 2011?  You make the call.

[JimR]

not ready for prime time. my worst case scenario prediction was 45-10.

[Mr. Happy]

TCU to the Big 12 today.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Oh great! Matt Millen and Marty Brennaman's son... Thom.

[Lurch]

Only 11 points behind at half.  Moral victory!

[chuck]

Only 11 points behind at half.  Moral victory!

Only 18 points down after ten seconds! Only 11 points down after twenty seconds!

[Lurch]

Only 18 points down after ten seconds! Only 11 points down after twenty seconds!

It took Tampa Bay 32 seasons for one

[Lurch]

And there's the Statue of Liberty.  Wow!

[chuck]

There are a lot of things about this team to be disappointed with but Malcolm Brown is a lot of fun to watch.

[Lurch]

There are a lot of things about this team to be disappointed with but Malcolm Brown is a lot of fun to watch.

Love watching him move the scrum once he gets hit

Fozzy is a badass too

[juliogotay]

Love watching him move the scrum once he gets hit

Fozzy is a badass too

If this team has to have an MVP I think Foswhitt is it at this point of the season.

[Ron Brand]

Carrington Byndom is a flat-out stud.

[Lurch]

Carrington Byndom is a flat-out stud.

Yep. Didn't see that coming

[MusicMan]

There are a lot of things about this team to be disappointed with

Other than the DE play, I can't think of any.  They are what I thought they would be: young, learning, and inferior in talent to OU and OSU.

[drew corleone]

Other than the DE play, I can't think of any.  They are what I thought they would be: young, learning, and inferior in talent to OU and OSU.

Yep.

[Ebby Calvin]

So tonight's game is pretty much blacked out in Houston, right?  Anybody know of a way to watch it?

[Navin R Johnson]

So tonight's game is pretty much blacked out in Houston, right?  Anybody know of a way to watch it?

No link yet, but this is a good resource for finding streams of NCAA games.

http://forum.wiziwig.eu/threads/62292-2011-NCAA-Football-Week-9-Streaming

[BizidyDizidy]

Jesus, college football is fun

[chuck]

Jesus, college football is fun

I finally gave in and unmuted your game and whaddaya know Musburger said something profoundly stupid literally within thirty seconds. Stupid enough to have me shouting at full volume at a television set. Either he needs to go or I need some help.

[Mr. Happy]

I finally gave in and unmuted your game and whaddaya know Musburger said something profoundly stupid literally within thirty seconds. Stupid enough to have me shouting at full volume at a television set. Either he needs to go or I need some help.

The former, Chuck.

[austro]

The former, Chuck.

I don't understand why those choices are mutually exclusive.

[MRaup]

I finally gave in and unmuted your game and whaddaya know Musburger said something profoundly stupid literally within thirty seconds. Stupid enough to have me shouting at full volume at a television set. Either he needs to go or I need some help.

My friends border between wild laughter and staring in horror while watching football with me. The cavalcade of idiot announcers that the sports networks trot out is about 99 percent dog shit. Brent Musburger is at the very top of the awful list. Retire, Milo Brent!

[chuck]

My friends border between wild laughter and staring in horror while watching football with me. The cavalcade of idiot announcers that the sports networks trot out is about 99 percent dog shit. Brent Musburger is at the very top of the awful list. Retire, Milo Brent!

Milo Hamilton is fucking Albert Einstein compared with that fuckwit. Milo knows baseball, he's just an egomaniac who's 98 years old. If I happen by some odd chance or miracle of medicine to make it as long as Milo I will certainly be a permanently disoriented egomaniac, too, so I can scarcely fault him.

Musburger is a fucking idiot. He understands so little of what he sees on the football field it is simply astonishing. I would love to meet his bosses. What a bunch of hollow entertainment business dickwits they must be. They have no fucking idea that he's an idiot. I'm sure they think he's great.

[Ron Brand]

Milo Hamilton is fucking Albert Einstein compared with that fuckwit. Milo knows baseball, he's just an egomaniac who's 98 years old. If I happen by some odd chance or miracle of medicine to make it as long as Milo I will certainly be a permanently disoriented egomaniac, too, so I can scarcely fault him.

Musburger is a fucking idiot. He understands so little of what he sees on the football field it is simply astonishing. I would love to meet his bosses. What a bunch of hollow entertainment business dickwits they must be. They have no fucking idea that he's an idiot. I'm sure they think he's great.

Several years ago I heard him call a basketball game, I think it was a college game, on the radio. He was terrific, had a great knowledge and feel for the game but could call it, play by play, keep track of the movement and passes, and made it interesting as hell. After that, I always wondered if that was his true specialty and the rest of it was built on that proficiency but I have no idea. He's become an awful caricature of the competent broadcaster he once was.

[chuck]

Several years ago I heard him call a basketball game, I think it was a college game, on the radio. He was terrific, had a great knowledge and feel for the game but could call it, play by play, keep track of the movement and passes, and made it interesting as hell. After that, I always wondered if that was his true specialty and the rest of it was built on that proficiency but I have no idea. He's become an awful caricature of the competent broadcaster he once was.

I know you're not crazy about football but do you ever listen to him call football games? He literally does not know what he is watching.

[Ron Brand]

I know you're not crazy about football but do you ever listen to him call football games? He literally does not know what he is watching.

I'm not sure what he's worse at, baseball or football. He works so hard at being upbeat and filling air with his presence. I don't know if it's just words to him, sound without much thought or meaning or if he's straining but yeah, I've heard him do football. Excruciating.

[chuck]

I'm not sure what he's worse at, baseball or football. He works so hard at being upbeat and filling air with his presence. I don't know if it's just words to him, sound without much thought or meaning or if he's straining but yeah, I've heard him do football. Excruciating.

This is what he does. Something will happen and he'll shout LEMME TELL YA WHAT JUST HAPPENED, FOKES! and then he proceeds to describe something that is completely unrelated to what's just transpired and when the replay shows conclusively that he has no fucking idea what he's talking about and when Herbstreit gently tries to shepherd him back in the general direction of reality he shouts WELL, FOKES, WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED IS!... and then he acts like he's the first one on earth to figure it all out. He does that fucking ten times a game. I mean, what the fuck is he doing when the game is taking place? What is he watching?

I'd like to sit next to him on a plane. I'd luxuriate in the three hours to tell him what a fucking douchecicle he is. Of course what would end up happening is he'd shout OK FOKES THE STEWARDESS IS BRINGING US OUR LUNCH! and then the row in front of us would squirm around to see who the idiot is and then he'd shout IT'S NOT LUNCH FOKES IT'S DRINKS! and I'd be like, Yeah, when she showed up with a tray with cups of water and orange juice rather than a fucking cart with sandwiches that was my first solid clue. IT LOOKED LIKE LUNCH AT FIRST FOKES BUT IT WAS HARD TO TELL FROM THAT INITIAL ANGLE!

[JimR]

I'm not sure what he's worse at, baseball or football. He works so hard at being upbeat and filling air with his presence. I don't know if it's just words to him, sound without much thought or meaning or if he's straining but yeah, I've heard him do football. Excruciating.

i think you are exactly right. he is intent on being the Personality he thinks he is. the game is a faint afterthought to The Brent.

[Lurch]

Damn, what a great half.

[Lurch]

Rushing yards the last two games: 882 vs 28

[chuck]

Rushing yards the last two games: 882 vs 28

If you outrush your opponent like that you're going to win a lot of games. I think most experts will agree.

Am I crazy or did I just see ABC give the Texas score as 38-35 in favor of Texas? Did anyone else see that?

[Ron Brand]

Am I crazy or did I just see ABC give the Texas score as 38-35 in favor of Texas? Did anyone else see that?

Yep. I figured it was just another UT hater pulling a prank. The crawl was frozen too, it held on that score for several minutes.

[Trey]

Yep. I figured it was just another UT hater pulling a prank. The crawl was frozen too, it held on that score for several minutes.

That was the score of the WVU (who is next in the Top 25 after TX that was playing) game.  If the crawl was frozen, there was probably a snafu in switching from one score to the next.

[chuck]

Rugby punt from your own end zone. That is some serious brain power in action.

[austro]

Ash and McCoy seem completely lost. They'll probably improve somewhat as they get older, but I'm not seeing the spark that makes me think either will ever be the answer.

[MusicMan]

Harsin's playcalling in the 2nd half leaves me completely befuddled.  It's like a 10 year old playing Madden.

[MusicMan]

Conceded the game with 3:30 left.  Absolutely disgusting.

[remy]

Baylor is embarrassing the shit out themselves today.

[BUWebguy]

Baylor is embarrassing the shit out themselves today.

Thankfully, they woke up just in time and squeaked it out.

[austro]

Great night for UT tonight in the Under Armour All-America Game: Connor Brewer left with a concussion, and Jonathan Gray just went down holding his knee and then hopped off the field. I guess the football gods have run out of targets on the Texans.

[Duke]

Great night for UT tonight in the Under Armour All-America Game: Connor Brewer left with a concussion, and Jonathan Gray just went down holding his knee and then hopped off the field. I guess the football gods have run out of targets on the Texans.

According to Jonathan Gray's father, it was just a minor ankle sprain.  (Tweeted to Hook 'Em.com)