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July fire sale
« on: July 04, 2011, 01:41:00 pm »
So it's the trading deadline month.  Is it a pretty safe bet that Wade is or will be dangling Pence, Bourn, and Wandy with the expectation of high end return with Kepp expecting a more modest return?
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2011, 03:33:09 pm »
Quote from: Jacksonian on July 04, 2011, 01:41:00 pm
So it's the trading deadline month.  Is it a pretty safe bet that Wade is or will be dangling Pence, Bourn, and Wandy with the expectation of high end return with Kepp expecting a more modest return?
Yeah, I've seen whispers that they have made it known they will listen on Pence and Wandy but it needs to be a big-time return for either. Don't recall reading anything about Bourn. Hopefully that means they just plan to keep him, because let's face it, teams don't give up their best and brightest prospects for a guy with no power. It's just not sexy to the fans (or owners). I feel like nobody would give them equal value.

Kepp isn't a FA until after 2012 (like Bourn and Pence), and is currently rated a Type A, perhaps something to keep in mind as he might not fetch much in a trade either.
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2011, 03:56:54 pm »
Quote from: Reuben on July 04, 2011, 03:33:09 pm
Don't recall reading anything about Bourn. Hopefully that means they just plan to keep him, because let's face it, teams don't give up their best and brightest prospects for a guy with no power. It's just not sexy to the fans (or owners). I feel like nobody would give them equal value.

Somebody like the Giants, for example, could be a match for Bourn. Huge outfield, currently trotting Torres and Rowand out there, Bourn could make a difference for them, and they're predicated on pitching and defense. I don't know what they have in their lower levels, but there might be something worthwhile there, and they might be willing to pay the price.
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2011, 04:34:20 pm »
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2011, 04:44:13 pm »
Quote from: austro on July 04, 2011, 03:56:54 pm
Somebody like the Giants, for example, could be a match for Bourn. Huge outfield, currently trotting Torres and Rowand out there, Bourn could make a difference for them, and they're predicated on pitching and defense. I don't know what they have in their lower levels, but there might be something worthwhile there, and they might be willing to pay the price.

Rangers could use a guy like Bourn and have prospects.
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2011, 09:18:04 pm »
Quote from: Jacksonian on July 04, 2011, 04:44:13 pm
Rangers could use a guy like Bourn and have prospects.
What happened to the guy they had last year? Julio Borbon?
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2011, 09:22:55 pm »
The rumor mill had the Natinals looking at Bourn.
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2011, 10:37:24 pm »
Quote from: Reuben on July 04, 2011, 09:18:04 pm
What happened to the guy they had last year? Julio Borbon?

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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2011, 07:20:24 am »
I don't understand why you guys want to trade Bourn so bad.
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2011, 08:22:24 am »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 05, 2011, 07:20:24 am
I don't understand why you guys want to trade Bourn so bad.

Since Bourn is in league with the devil, let me ask, do we feel lucky?  This might be one reason we picked Springer this year.
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2011, 08:29:39 am »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 05, 2011, 07:20:24 am
I don't understand why you guys want to trade Bourn so bad.

I don't want to trade Bourn.  I just think Bourn may be a player other teams want.  I'd hate for him to go.  Can you imagine how bad the team ERA would be without him patrolling CF?
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2011, 09:01:16 am »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 05, 2011, 07:20:24 am
I don't understand why you guys want to trade Bourn so bad.

This doesnt look like a team that will turn around in 2-3 years.  If its going to take more regardless, might as well do it right and stock up on prospects
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2011, 09:05:38 am »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 05, 2011, 07:20:24 am
I don't understand why you guys want to trade Bourn so bad.

I'm not trading anyone.  I presume Wade is wondering if he can get a quality return for him in trade.
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2011, 09:29:20 am »
Quote from: OregonStrosFan on July 04, 2011, 09:22:55 pm
The rumor mill had the Natinals looking at Bourn.

They can send us that dinged-up Austrian-sounding guy in exchange.
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2011, 09:58:40 am »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 05, 2011, 07:20:24 am
I don't understand why you guys want to trade Bourn so bad.

I would trade anyone on the team 27 or older provided we get decent prospects for the future.  We are a few years away.  By restocking the farm system we can rebuild faster.
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2011, 02:35:18 pm »
Quote from: OregonStrosFan on July 04, 2011, 09:22:55 pm
The rumor mill had the Natinals looking at Bourn.

Trade Bourn and Wandy for a right fielder who has only played 1 game as high as AA. 
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2011, 02:41:36 pm »
Quote from: pots on July 05, 2011, 02:35:18 pm
Trade Bourn and Wandy for a right fielder who has only played 1 game as high as AA. 
For a bratty kid who seems to embody some of the ugliest traits of athletes? No thanks. Anyway, they need to pull off some 2-for-1 deals where the numbers are in their favor. The rate of attrition for prospects is just too high.
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2011, 02:44:03 pm »
Quote from: Reuben on July 05, 2011, 02:41:36 pm
For a bratty kid who seems to embody some of the ugliest traits of athletes? No thanks.

I'll take the maturity issues in exchange for the best prospect in baseball.  You're talking an A-Rod/Griffey level talent, and the Mariners were able to build around that (even if they were both prima donnas).
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2011, 02:47:24 pm »
Quote from: Reuben on July 05, 2011, 02:41:36 pm
For a bratty kid who seems to embody some of the ugliest traits of athletes? No thanks. Anyway, they need to pull off some 2-for-1 deals where the numbers are in their favor. The rate of attrition for prospects is just too high.

At this point, I'd prefer 1 for 2 deals that landed higher talent then a plethora of average talent.  They have plenty of average talent.  Even if the risk is higher.  
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2011, 02:53:02 pm »
Quote from: MusicMan on July 05, 2011, 02:44:03 pm
I'll take the maturity issues in exchange for the best prospect in baseball.  You're talking an A-Rod/Griffey level talent, and the Mariners were able to build around that (even if they were both prima donnas).

I'm with you on this one. I saw Harper earlier this season in Hagerstown, Maryland, and the kid has amazing power. Imagine what he's going to be like when he "fills out."
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2011, 02:59:52 pm »
Quote from: Randy Watson on July 05, 2011, 09:58:40 am
I would trade anyone on the team 27 or older provided we get decent prospects for the future.  We are a few years away.  By restocking the farm system we can rebuild faster.

Maybe they can swap Bourn for that speedy, leadoff hitting, base-stealing centerfielder type that's an intergral piece of a quality lineup.
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2011, 03:02:00 pm »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 05, 2011, 02:59:52 pm
Maybe they can swap Bourn for that speedy, leadoff hitting, base-stealing centerfielder type that's an intergral piece of a quality lineup.

Who's 22 and not represented by Boras? Count me in.
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2011, 03:06:31 pm »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 05, 2011, 02:59:52 pm
Maybe they can swap Bourn for that speedy, leadoff hitting, base-stealing centerfielder type that's an intergral piece of a quality lineup.

Hey, I'd trade Pence instead of Bourn if it would help.  Then you could go with an outfield of J.D., Bourn and Harper in the outfield next year.  Either way, I doubt the Nats would even give it a thought.  The Stros best pitcher and hitter not being able to land a team's best prospect that has 1 game at AA.

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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2011, 03:16:42 pm »
Quote from: chuck on July 05, 2011, 03:02:00 pm
Who's 22 and not represented by Boras? Count me in.

I'll take a 28 year old Bourn over a 22 year old "prospect" every day and twice on Sundays.
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2011, 03:25:27 pm »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 05, 2011, 03:16:42 pm
I'll take a 28 year old Bourn over a 22 year old "prospect" every day and twice on Sundays.
Would you take a 28 year old Brad Lidge over 23 (or whatever) year old prospect Michael Bourn?
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2011, 03:38:49 pm »
Quote from: Reuben on July 05, 2011, 03:25:27 pm
Would you take a 28 year old Brad Lidge over 23 (or whatever) year old prospect Michael Bourn?

I don't know...can this Brad Lidge fellow play GG centerfield?  Hit leadoff?  Lead the league in stolen bases?
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« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2011, 03:41:50 pm »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 05, 2011, 03:38:49 pm
I don't know...can this Brad Lidge fellow play GG centerfield?  Hit leadoff?  Lead the league in stolen bases?  Stay healthy for a whole season?
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2011, 04:01:37 pm »
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2011, 04:07:14 pm »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 05, 2011, 03:38:49 pm
I don't know...can this Brad Lidge fellow play GG centerfield?  Hit leadoff?  Lead the league in stolen bases?
FWIW, I hope Bourn stays an Astro. But they didn't know if he was a GG, leadoff-worthy, SB king when they traded for him. They just hoped he was.
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2011, 04:24:29 pm »
Quote from: Reuben on July 05, 2011, 04:07:14 pm
FWIW, I hope Bourn stays an Astro. But they didn't know if he was a GG, leadoff-worthy, SB king when they traded for him. They just hoped he was.

So that means they should trade him now when he's entering his prime?
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2011, 05:28:14 pm »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 05, 2011, 04:24:29 pm
So that means they should trade him now when he's entering his prime?

How do you think the Pirates got to be so good?
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« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2011, 09:26:05 am »
Quote from: Ron Brand on July 05, 2011, 05:28:14 pm
How do you think the Pirates got to be so good?

By playing lots of games against the Astros.
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« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2011, 09:52:20 am »
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“I don’t see a ton of pitching help out there,” Epstein said. “The few guys who can really make an impact, it would take half your farm system or your whole farm system.

I hope Wandy is included in this mix of "impact" pitching help and that the Astros are shopping him at a high price and expecting a haul if he's moved.  The SAWKS may not be a likely trade partner, but the team is clearly going all out this year w/ the Gonzalez and Crawford moves.  Why not?

From the article:

http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/will_red_sox_pursue_a_starter/5406010?new_post=true
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« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2011, 12:13:40 pm »
The Sox also like to block the Yankees from getting certain players, even if they themselves don't have a huge need for them.
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Re: July fire sale
« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2011, 02:11:53 pm »
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The Sox also like to block the Yankees from getting certain players, even if they themselves don't have a huge need for them.

And vice-versa the Yankees.  Wade could have fun pitting them against each other, as long as he don't use Bill Smith's Santana negotiations with the clubs as a model.
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