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« on: February 03, 2011, 12:23:00 pm »
Per BusterTweet:  Pettitte will retire rather than return to the Yankees this season.
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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2011, 12:25:18 pm »
Isn't this step one of the Bret Favre 12 step program?
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2011, 12:32:18 pm »
Now playing baseball won't interfere with testifying.
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2011, 12:41:18 pm »
Per BusterTweet:  Pettitte will retire rather than return to the Yankees this season.
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy or team, IMO.
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2011, 12:50:46 pm »
Isn't this step one of the Bret Favre 12 step program?

Which step is, "Made a list of select women and teammates and sent them cel phone pictures of my cock"?
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2011, 01:03:29 pm »
Which step is, "Made a list of select women and teammates and sent them cel phone pictures of my cock"?
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10. Make a list of select women and teammates and send them cell phone pictures of my cock.

11. Get my coach fired

12. Retire for good, (i think).
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2011, 01:32:11 pm »
Which step is, "Made a list of select women and teammates and sent them cel phone pictures of my cock"?

It sounds more and more like it wasn't a very select list.
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2011, 01:35:26 pm »
It sounds more and more like it wasn't a very select list.

Pretty much "any reasonably attractive girl who comes into contact with the football team I am currently playing for."
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2011, 01:57:26 pm »
Pretty much "any reasonably attractive girl who comes into contact with the football team I am currently playing for and Limey."

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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2011, 02:07:58 pm »
Don't act like Limey wasn't asking for it.
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2011, 02:51:32 pm »
Per BusterTweet:  Pettitte will retire rather than return to the Yankees this season.

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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2011, 02:53:10 pm »
Pretty much "any reasonably attractive girl who comes into contact with the football team I am currently playing for."

At least he just sent photos of Lil Brett.  Rapistburger traps them in a bathroom and...umm...rapes them.
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2011, 02:59:54 pm »
At least he just sent photos of Lil Brett.  Rapistburger traps them in a bathroom and...umm...rapes them.

And it's that proper "forcible" kind of rape that even republicans know is wrong.
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2011, 03:07:53 pm »
And it's that proper "forcible" kind of rape that even republicans know is wrong.

Right.  Not the illegal-but-consensual, no-harm-no-foul, keep it in the family kind of rape.
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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2011, 12:45:12 pm »
It's official, by the way; Horseface gave his speech today.  He said he no longer had a fat contract big enough for his ego the hunger to play.  Asked about his upcoming stint as witness for the prosecution, he said that it played no part and has not affected his life one bit.
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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2011, 01:30:14 pm »
And it's that proper "forcible" kind of rape that even republicans know is wrong.

I guess you mean "rape rape". I'm glad you brought this up. It turned my stomach to see the GOP come out en masse excusing Polanski.
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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2011, 01:47:53 pm »
I guess you mean "rape rape". I'm glad you brought this up. It turned my stomach to see the GOP come out en masse excusing Polanski.

I was referring to the recent "No Federal Funds for Abortion" bill that was originally proposed with an exception for just "forcible rape," which makes about as much sense as "fatal murder."  It's just "rape."  By its very definition it's forcible. 
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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2011, 02:41:45 pm »
I was referring to the recent "No Federal Funds for Abortion" bill that was originally proposed with an exception for just "forcible rape," which makes about as much sense as "fatal murder."  It's just "rape."  By its very definition it's forcible. 

statutory?
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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2011, 02:46:17 pm »
statutory?

If one cannot legally consent then one is technically forced.
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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2011, 02:48:04 pm »
OK. So you didn't mean "rape rape" - my misunderstanding. Maybe you were also referring to the rape that results in a pregnant child presenting herself to an abortion clinic which refuses to report the rape to law enforcement thereby guaranteeing that not only does the crime go unpunished but most certainly continues unchecked. Maintaining the status quo in this regard is a center piece of GOP policy and your righteous condemnation is laudatory.  
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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2011, 02:53:19 pm »
If one cannot legally consent then one is technically forced.

That is unless you happen to hook up with Roman. Then it's just a technicality.
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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2011, 02:56:36 pm »
If one cannot legally consent then one is technically forced.

Two 17 year olds?
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« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2011, 02:58:18 pm »
Yes, little girl you were raped - technically speaking.
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« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2011, 03:13:14 pm »
Two 17 year olds?

17 year olds are over the age of consent in Texas and most of the world.
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« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2011, 03:16:08 pm »
OK. So you didn't mean "rape rape" - my misunderstanding. Maybe you were also referring to the rape that results in a pregnant child presenting herself to an abortion clinic which refuses to report the rape to law enforcement thereby guaranteeing that not only does the crime go unpunished but most certainly continues unchecked. Maintaining the status quo in this regard is a center piece of GOP policy and your righteous condemnation is laudatory.  

I have no idea what you mean by "rape rape" or what your obsession with Polanksi is or the relevance of your random hypothetical but if your point is that some "rape" is more justifiable than other "rape", one of which is "rape" and the other "rape rape" then I could not more vehemently disagree with you.
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« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2011, 05:14:58 pm »
Let's be realistic here, another GOP hater, Whoopie, knows what "rape rape" is. Polanski makes good movies so it's okay for him to give quaaludes to and have sex with 13 year old girls.
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« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2011, 05:18:28 pm »
17 year olds are over the age of consent in Texas and most of the world.

Exactly, 17 is a bad example. He should have said two 13 year olds.
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« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2011, 05:20:42 pm »
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« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2011, 05:48:32 pm »
Well, this detour has been good for something. Rape rape somehow reminded me of rock rock and I just spent a perfectly pleasant three and a half minutes with this:

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« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2011, 07:05:46 pm »
I was referring to the recent "No Federal Funds for Abortion" bill that was originally proposed with an exception for just "forcible rape," which makes about as much sense as "fatal murder."  It's just "rape."  By its very definition it's forcible. 

Is statutory rape by definition forcible, Lord Blackstone?

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Is statutory rape by definition forcible, Lord Blackstone?

See above.  And Blackstone?  Wow.  That is the most misguided reference I've ever seen.  You refer to the man who said there's no such thing as marital rape and that a rape complaint can only succeed if there was a third witness or corroborating physical injury when discussing consent?  Do you even know who he was?
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« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2011, 09:32:04 am »
Exactly, 17 is a bad example. He should have said two 13 year olds.

I don't think that falls within the statute, but I'm not 100% certain.
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« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2011, 01:39:14 am »
See above.

You mean this?

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If one cannot legally consent then one is technically forced.

So there's no distinction between, on the one hand, two teenagers under the age of consent agreeing to have sex with each other and, on the other hand, a man putting a knife to a woman's throat to make her have sex with him? I doubt most legislators, prosecutors, judges or juries would agree with you that they are really the same, which is why our criminal justice resources are, thankfully, far more likely to be devoted to punishing the latter than the former.

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And Blackstone? Wow. That is the most misguided reference I've ever seen. You refer to the man who said there's no such thing as marital rape and that a rape complaint can only succeed if there was a third witness or corroborating physical injury when discussing consent? Do you even know who he was?

Misguided is ignoring the fact that Blackstone was working with the mores of the 1700s. At least you have the benefit of 250 years of moral and legal evolution, which doesn't seem to have sunk in if you can't concede that there's a difference between the two situations described above.

But the GOP congressman are the ignorant Neanderthals, right?

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« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2011, 01:47:18 am »
I don't think that falls within the statute, but I'm not 100% certain.

I believe Texas has an exception in the rape statute if the age difference is less than three years and the younger participant is at least 14, but I am not certain.

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« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2011, 02:48:13 am »
I believe Texas has an exception in the rape statute if the age difference is less than three years and the younger participant is at least 14, but I am not certain.

I'm not sure, but I know we've had people appearing before our agency fighting license revocation because of rape convictions when they were, I think, convicted at 17 of having sex with a 16-year-old. I'm going from memory so I could be wrong, but there have been at least a couple similar cases and the result is that these guys are now registered sex offenders for the rest of their lives and occupational licensing is another one of their challenges.

Every month I hear an horrific litany of sex offense cases, plus thefts, drug addictions, etc. from people who are trying to get their license so they can work but there are occasionally ones like those 17/16 cases that can make you scratch your head.
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« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2011, 10:52:06 am »
So there's no distinction between, on the one hand, two teenagers under the age of consent agreeing to have sex with each other and, on the other hand, a man putting a knife to a woman's throat to make her have sex with him?

There are plenty of differences that have been outlined already.  Your most recent post shows that we all grasp that.    

But the GOP congressman are the ignorant Neanderthals, right?

Obviously.  

It's not a very difficult concept.  No consent = rape.    
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« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2011, 10:59:44 am »
At least you have the benefit of 250 years of moral and legal evolution...

I need to save this quote for the next time you defend Scalia.
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« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2011, 11:27:06 am »
I'm not sure, but I know we've had people appearing before our agency fighting license revocation because of rape convictions when they were, I think, convicted at 17 of having sex with a 16-year-old. I'm going from memory so I could be wrong, but there have been at least a couple similar cases and the result is that these guys are now registered sex offenders for the rest of their lives and occupational licensing is another one of their challenges.

Every month I hear an horrific litany of sex offense cases, plus thefts, drug addictions, etc. from people who are trying to get their license so they can work but there are occasionally ones like those 17/16 cases that can make you scratch your head.


a few years ago, i was foreman of a Travis County Grand Jury. we absolutely refused to indict the 17/16 consensual sex cases precisely because of the registration requirement. we told the ADAs not to bring us those kinds of cases because we would no bill every damn one of them. if the sex was consensual (love, doncha know) and the girl was old enough to know what she was doing, we refused to indict. after a few weeks, the ADAs believed us.

registration is proper and needed for child molesters but not for those kinds of cases.
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« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2011, 11:34:12 am »

a few years ago, i was foreman of a Travis County Grand Jury. we absolutely refused to indict the 17/16 consensual sex cases precisely because of the registration requirement. we told the ADAs not to bring us those kinds of cases because we would no bill every damn one of them. if the sex was consentual (love, doncha know) and the girl was old enough to know what she was doing, we refused to indict. after a few weeks, the ADAs believed us.

registration is proper and needed for child molesters but not for those kinds of cases.

Absolutely. 

How long was your grand jury impaneled?  Did you all get to know each other very well by the end?  What were the social dynamics of the grand jury?  I think the grand jury process is a very interesting and under reported process.
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« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2011, 11:52:09 am »

a few years ago, i was foreman of a Travis County Grand Jury. we absolutely refused to indict the 17/16 consensual sex cases precisely because of the registration requirement. we told the ADAs not to bring us those kinds of cases because we would no bill every damn one of them. if the sex was consentual (love, doncha know) and the girl was old enough to know what she was doing, we refused to indict. after a few weeks, the ADAs believed us.

registration is proper and needed for child molesters but not for those kinds of cases.
good for you

I was on a grand jury a few years ago in Caldwell county for a 3 month period. A very interesting experience indeed although I imagine it was not as interesting as one in Travis.
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« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2011, 01:17:27 pm »
Absolutely. 

How long was your grand jury impaneled?  Did you all get to know each other very well by the end?  What were the social dynamics of the grand jury?  I think the grand jury process is a very interesting and under reported process.

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we became very close as a group. i have remained very good friends with two of my jury members and see a couple of others occasionally. the Asst Foreman and i sat next to each other for all that time, and she and her husband are now my wife's and my closest couples friends.

there were very few arguments and no anger during that time. we did not always agree, but the disagreements were respectful. it was a good group.
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« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2011, 01:18:24 pm »
So there's no distinction between, on the one hand, two teenagers under the age of consent agreeing to have sex with each other and, on the other hand, a man putting a knife to a woman's throat to make her have sex with him?

Surely you recognize the difference between a sixteen year old and a seventeen year old who are dating and very much in love having sex versus your fourteen year old daughter "agreeing" to have sex with your forty year old plumber, but it's the same law.  That's why making distinctions such as "forcible" is silly.  Especially with regard to determining access to healthcare, which is why when called on it the bill was re-written to drop "forcible."

Capacity to consent is very much a technicality, but it is a significant one. 
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« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2011, 01:19:45 pm »
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we became very close as a group. i have remained very good friends with two of my jury members and see a couple of others occasionally. the Asst Foreman and i sat next to each other for all that time, and she and her husband are now my wife's and my closest couples friends.

there were very few arguments and no anger during that time. we did not always agree, but the disagreements were respectful. it was a good group.

Thanks.  I would love to hear more about it over a few beers sometime.
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« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2011, 01:41:39 pm »
Thanks.  I would love to hear more about it over a few beers sometime.

deal. it was one of the most interesting things i have ever done. i want to do it again.

ETA: we got into a good system for our meetings after a session or two and disposed of about 1500  cases. we could have done more if the ADAs had brought us more. i came away from the experience very impressed with the ADAs in Travis County with whom we dealt.
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« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2011, 10:02:32 pm »
Surely you recognize the difference between a sixteen year old and a seventeen year old who are dating and very much in love having sex versus your fourteen year old daughter "agreeing" to have sex with your forty year old plumber, but it's the same law.  That's why making distinctions such as "forcible" is silly.  Especially with regard to determining access to healthcare, which is why when called on it the bill was re-written to drop "forcible."

Capacity to consent is very much a technicality, but it is a significant one.

The distinction is obvious, which is why many states have passed such distinction into law. The exception in Texas when the age difference is three years or less is an example. Under that exception, the former described by you above is carved out, whereas the latter is not. In other states, however, the law remains unchanged. So the same act of teen sex is rape in some states and isn't rape in other states. Does that also mean, based on your argument, that it's forcible in some states and not forcible in others? Is forcible a purely legal definition in your view?

Do you think the GOP's goal was to excuse acts of 40-year-old plumbers seducing 14-year-old girls, by the way?

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« Reply #45 on: February 06, 2011, 11:03:44 pm »
The exception in Texas when the age difference is three years or less is an example. Under that exception, the former described by you above is carved out, whereas the latter is not.

That's what I thought too, but after reading Jim's comments about a DA trying to indict on 17/16 year old relationships I figured I'd actually look at the statute we're discussing.  Here it is:

§ 21.11. INDECENCY WITH A CHILD. (a) A person commits an offense if, with a child younger than 17 years and not the person's spouse, whether the child is of the same or opposite sex, the person: (1) engages in sexual contact with the child or causes the child to engage in sexual contact; or (2) with intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person: (A) exposes the person's anus or any part of the person's genitals, knowing the child is present; or (B) causes the child to expose the child's anus or any part of the child's genitals. (b) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this section that the actor: (1) was not more than three years older than the victim and of the opposite sex; (2) did not use duress, force, or a threat against the victim at the time of the offense; and (3) at the time of the offense: (A) was not required under Chapter 62, Code of Criminal Procedure, to register for life as a sex offender; or (B) was not a person who under Chapter 62 had a reportable conviction or adjudication for an offense under this section. (c) In this section, "sexual contact" means the following acts, if committed with the intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person: (1) any touching by a person, including touching through clothing, of the anus, breast, or any part of the genitals of a child; or (2) any touching of any part of the body of a child, including touching through clothing, with the anus, breast, or any part of the genitals of a person. (d) An offense under Subsection (a)(1) is a felony of the second degree and an offense under Subsection (a)(2) is a felony of the third degree. Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1981, 67th Leg., p. 472, ch. 202, § 3, eff. Sept. 1, 1981; Acts 1987, 70th Leg., ch. 1028, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1987; Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994; Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 1415, § 23, eff. Sept. 1, 1999; Acts 2001, 77th Leg., ch. 739, § 2, eff. Sept. 1, 2001.

So yes, the Texas legislature in its finite wisdom got something right.  I'm not at all surprised but nevertheless horrified that the Travis County DA office would try to convict in the face of an undeniable affirmative defense.  It's fantastic that Jim's panel honored its ethical obligation of judicial discretion when the DA wouldn't honor its obligation to exercise prosecutorial discretion.      

Is forcible a purely legal definition in your view?

When it is written into legislation that is what it becomes.  

Do you think the GOP's goal was to excuse acts of 40-year-old plumbers seducing 14-year-old girls, by the way?

I could not possibly guess the original drafters' goal more than I could guess the contents of an empty box.

ETA: The correct statute and various commentary.
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« Reply #46 on: February 07, 2011, 08:38:41 am »
Don't know about Travis county specifically, but just because a prosecutor presents a case to a grand jury, it doesn't necessarily mean the prosecutor wants the case indicted. It isn't unusual for cops or victims to want an unwinable case prosecuted. A no bill gets the prosecutor off the hook. I think that counties with high volume case loads set a target of about 20-25% no bills.
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« Reply #47 on: February 07, 2011, 10:00:04 am »
Do you think the GOP's goal was to excuse acts of 40-year-old plumbers seducing 14-year-old girls, by the way?

The goal was to give a nod to the social conservatives, who cough up cash and show up in droves to vote for Republicans, only to get their agenda ignored every term.
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« Reply #48 on: February 07, 2011, 10:01:50 am »
The goal was to give a nod to the social conservatives, who cough up cash and show up in droves to vote for Republicans, only to get their agenda ignored every term.

Maybe not this time in Texas. The ball is definitely rolling down the hill right now.
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« Reply #49 on: February 07, 2011, 10:05:22 am »

I could not possibly guess the original drafters' goal more than I could guess the contents of an empty box.


You seriously couldn't guess the contents of an empty box?

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Maybe not this time in Texas. The ball is definitely rolling down the hill right now.

I was commenting nationally rather than about individual States. 
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« Reply #51 on: February 07, 2011, 10:15:54 am »
That's what I thought too, but after reading Jim's comments about a DA trying to indict on 17/16 year old relationships I figured I'd actually look at the statute we're discussing.  Here it is:

§ 21.11. INDECENCY WITH A CHILD. (a) A person commits an offense if, with a child younger than 17 years and not the person's spouse, whether the child is of the same or opposite sex, the person: (1) engages in sexual contact with the child or causes the child to engage in sexual contact; or (2) with intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person: (A) exposes the person's anus or any part of the person's genitals, knowing the child is present; or (B) causes the child to expose the child's anus or any part of the child's genitals. (b) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this section that the actor: (1) was not more than three years older than the victim and of the opposite sex; (2) did not use duress, force, or a threat against the victim at the time of the offense; and (3) at the time of the offense: (A) was not required under Chapter 62, Code of Criminal Procedure, to register for life as a sex offender; or (B) was not a person who under Chapter 62 had a reportable conviction or adjudication for an offense under this section. (c) In this section, "sexual contact" means the following acts, if committed with the intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person: (1) any touching by a person, including touching through clothing, of the anus, breast, or any part of the genitals of a child; or (2) any touching of any part of the body of a child, including touching through clothing, with the anus, breast, or any part of the genitals of a person. (d) An offense under Subsection (a)(1) is a felony of the second degree and an offense under Subsection (a)(2) is a felony of the third degree. Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1981, 67th Leg., p. 472, ch. 202, § 3, eff. Sept. 1, 1981; Acts 1987, 70th Leg., ch. 1028, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1987; Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994; Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 1415, § 23, eff. Sept. 1, 1999; Acts 2001, 77th Leg., ch. 739, § 2, eff. Sept. 1, 2001.

So yes, the Texas legislature in its finite wisdom got something right.  I'm not at all surprised but nevertheless horrified that the Travis County DA office would try to convict in the face of an undeniable affirmative defense.  It's fantastic that Jim's panel honored its ethical obligation of judicial discretion when the DA wouldn't honor its obligation to exercise prosecutorial discretion.      

When it is written into legislation that is what it becomes.  

I could not possibly guess the original drafters' goal more than I could guess the contents of an empty box.

ETA: The correct statute and various commentary.


no, no, no. i used 17/16 to describe a type of case. the ADAs followed the law on age difference. i am certain that sometimes they were happy with the no bill. All of the cases they brought us were prosecutable, but my grand jury decided that the registration requirement was too onereous in the romantic love type of cases.
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You seriously couldn't guess the contents of an empty box?

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Only in the TZ could a thread based on Andy Pettitte's retirement turn into an analysis of statutory rape.
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Only in the TZ could a thread based on Andy Pettitte's retirement turn into an analysis of statutory rape.

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Only in the TZ could a thread based on Andy Pettitte's retirement turn into an analysis of statutory rape.
Don't forget, its now moved on to a compelling discussion of empty boxes.
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Don't forget, its now moved on to a compelling discussion of empty boxes.

If there is air in the box, is it still empty? If there is no air in the box, does it have a vacuum in the box? Can a box really be empty? Where's Towlie?
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If there is air in the box, is it still empty? If there is no air in the box, does it have a vacuum in the box? Can a box really be empty? Where's Towlie?

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That's not an empty box: it's a future turtle home.

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oh? what kind of food is in there for the turtle?

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This thread has covered a spectacular amount of ground in just 4 pages. Question: if a horse is put out to stud, can the other horses really consent? Discuss.
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Question: if a horse is put out to stud, can the other horses really consent? Discuss.

We're going to need Matthew Broderick and Sarah Jessica Parker to weigh in on this.
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Question: if a horse is put out to stud, can the other horses really consent? Discuss.

Change it to dogs and if you answer the right way you may wind up receiving the keys to Dallas.
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This thread has covered a spectacular amount of ground in just 4 pages. Question: if a horse is put out to stud, can the other horses really consent? Discuss.
They can apparently have beauty contests:  http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/07/us-turkmenistan-horses-odd-idUSTRE7163W620110207
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« Reply #68 on: February 09, 2011, 01:22:57 pm »
Let's call Mark Sanchez and get him to weigh in on this topic.

http://m.deadspin.com/5755011/the-somewhat-romantic-story-of-mark-sanchez-and-a-17+year+old-girl

Shit like this makes me wish I had never known Deadspin existed.

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« Reply #69 on: February 09, 2011, 01:41:40 pm »
Shit like this makes me wish I had never known Deadspin existed.



And likewise for The Onion
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And likewise for The Onion

I think that's pretty poignant satire, myself.  We certainly had to hear about "all that Roethlisburger has overcome" leading up to the Superbowl, which is pretty obnoxious.  It certainly forgets who the actual victims are.
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« Reply #71 on: February 09, 2011, 02:02:08 pm »
I think that's pretty poignant satire, myself.  We certainly had to hear about "all that Roethlisburger has overcome" leading up to the Superbowl, which is pretty obnoxious.  It certainly forgets who the actual victims are.

Speaking of which...he seems to be getting away with it again.  Caught out on the lash a few days before the SuperBowl, no one seems to be riding him for throwing 2 picks early on to put his team so far behind that they couldn't catch up.

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« Reply #72 on: February 09, 2011, 02:05:51 pm »
I think that's pretty poignant satire, myself.  We certainly had to hear about "all that Roethlisburger has overcome" leading up to the Superbowl, which is pretty obnoxious.  It certainly forgets who the actual victims are.

Though the legal system and press protects their names from public release, right? I'm not sure they want to be remembered for this.

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« Reply #73 on: February 09, 2011, 02:10:21 pm »
Though the legal system and press protects their names from public release, right? I'm not sure they want to be remembered for this.

I meant "actual victim" in the sense of the general category of persons, not the individuals.  The individuals certainly shouldn't have to be further victimized in the public's eye.  The point is that the rapist is not the "victim" whose story of perserverance in light of their own behavior should be celebrated. 
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« Reply #74 on: February 09, 2011, 02:16:33 pm »
I meant "actual victim" in the sense of the general category of persons, not the individuals.  The individuals certainly shouldn't have to be further victimized in the public's eye.  The point is that the rapist is not the "victim" whose story of perserverance in light of their own behavior should be celebrated. 

True, and I agree, but I'm still glad Ben hasn't tried to rape anyone else yet.
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« Reply #75 on: February 09, 2011, 02:17:39 pm »
I'm still glad Ben hasn't tried to rape anyone else yet.

How can we be sure?
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How can we be sure?

I said yet. Oh, you mean in the time lapsed since last time he did up until my last post. Good fucking point.
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True, and I agree, but I'm still glad Ben hasn't tried to rape anyone else yet.

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